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Your RfA nomination

It's about time that you accepted my offer. My nomination is at Commons:Administrators/Requests/Magog the Ogre. Please remove the nowiki tags around the timer and note your acceptance of the nomination below my nominations statement before you translcude the nomination to the RfA page. Sven Manguard Wha? 22:39, 16 March 2013 (UTC)


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An offering for our new administrator from your comrades...

Magog the Ogre, congratulations! You now have administrator rights on Commons. Please take a moment to read the Commons:Administrators page and watchlist related pages (in particular Commons:Administrators' noticeboard and Commons:Deletion requests), before launching yourself into page deletions, page protections, account blockings or modifications of protected pages. The majority of the actions of administrators can be reversed by the other admins, except for history merges which must thus be treated with particular care.

Please feel free to join us on IRC: #wikimedia-commons on There is also a channel for Commons admins, which may be useful for more sensitive topics, or coordination among administrators:#wikimedia-commons-admin.

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Please also check or add your entry to the List of administrators and the related lists by language and date it references.
EugeneZelenko (talk) 14:43, 29 March 2013 (UTC)

I did not know that voting was going on. Missed a chance to vote. Anyways, congrats and best wishes. --Sreejith K (talk) 18:40, 29 March 2013 (UTC)
No worries. Magog the Ogre (talk) (contribs) 21:28, 29 March 2013 (UTC)
Congrats! Kelly (talk) 22:47, 29 March 2013 (UTC)
Welcome! --Denniss (talk) 12:45, 30 March 2013 (UTC)
Thank you. Magog the Ogre (talk) (contribs) 15:57, 30 March 2013 (UTC)


Hi Magog. Just a quick note on the undel reqs - when you take care of them, make sure you close them with {{udelh}} and {{udelf}}. I've closed the 2 you did today. Thanks. INeverCry 17:52, 31 March 2013 (UTC)

Noted. Magog the Ogre (talk) (contribs) 18:58, 31 March 2013 (UTC)

Just a heads up

Heya MtO, just a heads up that your request for a photo to be removed has not yet been complied with. I've left a note at User_talk:Delicious_carbuncle#Removing_categories with another request to remove the image that you mentioned to them. I appreciate you running that bot, it's been invaluable for getting the aviation images for example, but really if there are problems we should be submitting to requests from bot owners if they don't wish for their bot to be associated with what you could very well rightly see as problematic additions to these pages. russavia (talk) 16:31, 5 April 2013 (UTC)

Hi again MtO, Delicious carbuncle has refused to cede to your request, which I can only assume is still current. As such I have again removed the image to comply with your original request, and have protected the image page until such time as it is ascertained whether you are ok with that image being part of the gallery which is associated with your bot. If you are not ok with that image being part of that gallery, then given DC's refusal to remove it, I might suggest you might want to reconsider doing this run on his behalf. Also, looking at this, this, this and this, I see other non-penis images which are being added to that category, but which don't appear to be added to your run for Mattbuck's new uploads for "sexuality" and "nudity" images. There is obviously a category which is being picked up here as being "penis" related somewhere downstream? russavia (talk) 18:14, 5 April 2013 (UTC)

The bot only keeps logs for 24 hours, so I don't know why it picked up those images. You can view the most recent logs for the bot at tools:~magog/aviation.out. Magog the Ogre (talk) (contribs) 01:12, 6 April 2013 (UTC)
Also my nudity/sexuality thing excludes a LOT of categories which I considered irrelevant. They wouldn't act so I decided I would. But I needed a partner, someone with the skills to intervene. Hunted by the authorities, we work in secret. You will never find us. But, victim or perpetrator, if your number's up, we'll find you. -mattbuck (Talk) 01:22, 6 April 2013 (UTC)
I have no idea what you're getting at. Magog the Ogre (talk) (contribs) 01:23, 6 April 2013 (UTC)
So much for popular culture. -mattbuck (Talk) 01:24, 6 April 2013 (UTC)
Google says you're referring to w:Person of Interest (TV series). I don't like modern crime dramas, especially if they're on CBS. Magog the Ogre (talk) (contribs) 01:50, 6 April 2013 (UTC)

Respuesta/Answer to File:NaturalScienceMontage.png

Español: Gracias por su corrección. También subí sin usar "CommonsHelper" la imagen "File:1st Armored Division dismount a UH-60 Blackhawk.jpg", por lo que debe tener los mismo errores que la otra imagen. No volverá a pasar.

English:Thank you for your correction. Also upload without using "CommonsHelper" image "File:1st Armored Division dismount a UH-60 Blackhawk.jpg" and therefore should have the same mistakes that the other image. Not happen again.

El Ayudante (talk) 15:45, 6 April 2013 (UTC)

No hay problema. Ya arreglé ese archivo. Face-smile.svg Magog the Ogre (talk) (contribs) 15:48, 6 April 2013 (UTC)

About: File:JS Matsuyuki at Maizuru, -1 May 2012 a.jpg

Hi. This message is in relation to User_talk:Alan.lorenzo#File:JS_Matsuyuki_at_Maizuru.2C_-1_May_2012_a.jpg

This file File:JS Matsuyuki at Maizuru, -1 May 2012 a.jpg has 2 licenses, CC-BY-SA and CC-BY-NC-SA. (Screenshot with basic explanation).

I don't agree with the 2nd revision of license. If there are two licenses, always apply the most restrictive. Please, I request a re-review the image. Greetings. --Alan Lorenzo (talk) 17:30, 6 April 2013 (UTC)

Not at all. Per Commons:Multi-licensing: Commons contributors can offer as many licenses for a file as they wish, as long as at least one of them meets the criteria for free licenses specified in the licensing policy. For example, files under a "non-commercial" license are OK only if they are at the same time also released under a free license that allows commercial use. Magog the Ogre (talk) (contribs) 17:35, 6 April 2013 (UTC)

Ok. This explanation convinces me :-). Thanks and sorry for the inconvenience. --Alan Lorenzo (talk) 17:45, 6 April 2013 (UTC)

No problem. Magog the Ogre (talk) (contribs) 17:47, 6 April 2013 (UTC)

Original upload log for files (deleted on en-wiki)


Multichill and I have looooong been talking about that it would be nice if we could have a bot add an original upload on files copied from en-wikipedia. Since not all users know how to do that or can access deleted files on en-wikipedia a simple solution was that users added a template or a category requesting an original upload.

But can your bot do something about files like File:Sognefjord, Norway.jpg where the original is deleted on en-wiki? The bot should either acces deleted versions or undelete the file, make the original upload log and add it to Commons and then delete the file again (or mark it for deletion in case it would be a good idea to have a human check the file). --MGA73 (talk) 10:01, 11 April 2013 (UTC)

Yes, my bot could do that, although it would require administrator access, and it wouldn't always be easy to see what the requester wanted if there was more than one upload in history. Magog the Ogre (talk) (contribs) 23:54, 11 April 2013 (UTC)
Yes that is true so we would probably need a semi-automated process and not a fully automated one. (I also commented above in one of the older topics - so I've been busy making up work for you ;-) ). If you have time some day you can play around with it and see if it is worth the efford. --MGA73 (talk) 06:20, 12 April 2013 (UTC)

Cover pages and other photographs

I am sorry for bothering you with this again. Regarding the cover pages, I have to say that since this file [1], uploaded in September of 2010 was already approved by the publisher who was involved with cover pages and other drawings (14 more, not uploaded to Wikimedia yet) there is no reason, in my opinion, to bother them again. The publisher involved with the drawings and cover pages approved, more than two years ago, the possible inclusion of other drawings (14 not uploaded to Wikimedia) and cover pages.

Would it be possible for you to approve the uploaded files? You would not be moving them to Wikimedia since they are already here, but would prevent all this confusion because there are other users who are tagging some files, like this one, for instance: [2]. I already sent a message to this user clarifying the matter. One other cover page was deleted today (The Shape), which is not a big deal, but this is getting out of control if somebody doesn’t step in. Since I know, based on my communication with you, that you are a person of honor, integrity and knowledge, I think there is nobody better to do that, although I know that it requires some work. I would not bother you if I did not have a feeling that this is hard to control now, since anybody can tag anything and who can deal with so many people.

On the other hand, you can see, for example, on the list of those files, the file with Prince Nicholas uploaded by somebody else which is, in fact, the same photograph approved by you long time ago. Some other user uploaded it without the knowledge about the previous file of the same photograph (obviously there is no problem with either one). Among new files, there are photographs with Congresswoman Helen Delich Bentley, for instance, although another was uploaded long time ago in the same setting, taken by the same person (and I think moved to Wikimedia by you). The same is with Prince Tomislav (there is an old photo) in the same setting and taken by the same person at the same time. The same thing is with all the photos from Paris, of which some are only modified photographs of the one previously uploaded. So, I would appreciate if you somehow approve the images from the list so I don’t have to deal with the tags and various users. Best regards and thank you for your help. Mountlovcen8 (talk) 23:27, 11 April 2013 (UTC)

File:Rubenid Flag.svg

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Thank you for uploading File:Rubenid Flag.svg to the Wikimedia Commons. I noticed that when you uploaded from another Wikimedia project, you left out some important information, or copied it incorrectly. In the future, please consider using CommonsHelper, a tool which automates the process of moving files over. Thank you,
Magog the Ogre (talk) (contribs) 16:24, 14 April 2013 (UTC)
Thank you very much for that link (I was actually looking for it, but I didn't found it, so I did it manually). The link is added in my personnal page. Varmin (talk) 16:47, 14 April 2013 (UTC)
You're welcome. Magog the Ogre (talk) (contribs) 16:46, 14 April 2013 (UTC)

Suggestion for cleanup-work of User:OgreBot 2

Bot-moved files from de wiki are often double-tagged with {{Bild-GFDL-Neu}} and GFDL (see here). I suggest to cleanup this by removing a standard GFDL tag (if nothing is added to it) but leaving other constructs like GFDL-user-de or Self. This file may be an old case, if files contain both GFDL and {{Гфдл}} (or GFDL-sr) then GFDL (without additions) should be removed and the latter replaced by {{GFDL-sr}}. --Denniss (talk) 08:11, 3 April 2013 (UTC)

That should be an easy change; the bot already handles other GFDL tags similarly (example). I just have to add Bild-GFDL-Neu to the list of GFDL tags. Magog the Ogre (talk) (contribs) 00:46, 4 April 2013 (UTC)
I'm not sure what the bot is doing here; I'll need to fix that. Face-sad.svg Magog the Ogre (talk) (contribs) 01:57, 4 April 2013 (UTC)
My bot was removing redundant stuff and doing some replacements {{GNU}} to {{GFDL}} and other variants of the GFDL templates but it had problems converting the non latin letters like {{Гфдл}} to {{GFDL-sr}} and {{ГЛСД-без одрицања}} to {{GFDL}}. My bot has not been active for some time because it needed to be updated and I did not have enough time or brain to fix that so...
Anyway I think it would be much better if OgreBot could do all the cleanup so that my bot only had to worry about figuring out if a file is eligible for migration or not.
To begin with what about orphaning all redirects to the GFDL template and the local variants when we find them?
I also think that licenses like Template:Kettős-GFDL-cc-by-sa-2.5 should be changed but they are harder to find than simple redirects. --MGA73 (talk) 09:22, 11 April 2013 (UTC)
Yeah... Seems one is soon history Template talk:MultiLicenseWithCC-BySA-Any. --MGA73 (talk) 16:31, 16 April 2013 (UTC)

Category Cleanup Tool

Now, I do not get any errors on submitting the page. But still it does not look like the Bot is picking up the categories submitted. Is it something you will be able to look at soon? --Sreejith K (talk) 16:39, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

I think we've talked about this before; the bot is not programmed to fix template loops. But it did make a few edits: File:Por do Sol na Praia do Jacare em Cabedelo.jpg, File:Açude Sabugi - Guarita 3.jpg, File:Açude Sabugi - Chapéu 2.jpg. Magog the Ogre (talk) (contribs) 00:43, 19 April 2013 (UTC)
Oh, I thought the bot was doing it. It would have been nice feature to have. I wonder if there is any other bot capable of doing it. --Sreejith K (talk) 13:12, 19 April 2013 (UTC)
If you are giving a feature request, please ask directly and I will be happy to oblige. Face-smile.svg Magog the Ogre (talk) (contribs) 16:54, 20 April 2013 (UTC)

Your edit of File:Approximation of cos with linear functions.svg

Hello Magog the Ogre,

Unfortunately I submitted the revert of your edit for the file File:Approximation of cos with linear functions.svg before commenting it. The <onlyinclude> section, you deleted in the above article is needed for File:Approximation of cos with linear functions without numbers.svg. In the second article the section "creation" is included from the first one. Therefore <onlyinclude> is used. Greetings Stephan Kulla (talk) 07:48, 19 April 2013 (UTC)

That's not really the proper way to do that. That's what the template namespace is for. I will fix it when I get access to my computer again. Magog the Ogre (talk) (contribs) 16:57, 20 April 2013 (UTC)

re Transferring images from another project

What's up with this transfer? File:Plympton BW.jpg. Among other things, you tagged it with the wrong license. Normally I would template a user with Template:How to transfer, but you are an admin with 57,000 edits? Magog the Ogre (talk) (contribs) 02:14, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

Ah, I see. Thank you for the helpful changes you've made to the image page. Thank you, also, for the polite way in which you've imparted this advice to me. I appreciate it, -- Cirt (talk) 02:32, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

userpage update

Hi Magog. I noticed your userpage doesn't indicate that you're now a sysop here. INeverCry 00:46, 4 May 2013 (UTC)

Thank you. Magog the Ogre (talk) (contribs) 01:21, 4 May 2013 (UTC)

Update request for LGBT marriages in the USA regarding Rhode Island


Can you update Rhode Island in the File:Recognition of same-sex relationships in the United States.svg, because same-sex marriage has become legal on 3 May 2003?

Thank you. —Preceding unsigned comment was added by ‎ (talk) 11:36, May 5, 2013 (UTC)

It's already updated! Try clearing your browser cache or doing a refresh on the page. Magog the Ogre (talk) (contribs) 11:53, 5 May 2013 (UTC)
The above mentioned map has not been updated since 8 November 2012. Please visit File:Recognition of same-sex relationships in the United States.svg and its "View history" archive to see for yourself. And if you look carefully, Rhode Island has not been colored in the darkest blue for the "Same-sex marriage" category. (To be sure, I did refresh the page and cleared my broswer cache and multiple times and from different computers, but the image and the "View history" archive remain the same.) —Preceding unsigned comment was added by (talk) 01:07, May 6, 2013‎ (UTC)
So sorry. I thought we were talking about another image! This is ✓ Done. Magog the Ogre (talk) (contribs) 01:43, 7 May 2013 (UTC)

Cleanup script suggesion

Suggest that if a description page contains the template {{LicenseReview}}, that template be moved to the "Permission" field of {{Information}}. Kelly (talk) 15:53, 11 May 2013 (UTC)

No, this license review tag should be placed near the coypright tag and nowhere else. Both should be placed under the license header (in an ideal world). --Denniss (talk) 16:14, 11 May 2013 (UTC)
 Not done - this would garner too much opposition, and all of the bot's edits need to be non-controversial. However, I might be able to write something up that would tag the image as needing license review, or needing Flickr review. Magog the Ogre (talk) (contribs) 17:02, 11 May 2013 (UTC)
I understand...consider the suggestion withdrawn, I didn't see that it might be controversial. Kelly (talk) 17:07, 11 May 2013 (UTC)


I notice your bot is changing dates as follows: 4 May 2013 to 2013-05-04. Is this policy here as I deliberately set them long so that I know it is 4 May and not 5 April. The other way confuses us in England. Philafrenzy (talk) 19:10, 12 May 2013 (UTC)

When the date field of the {{Information}} template is set to dddd-dd-dd format, it is automatically parsed into the user's local language as the full string date. In your case, if you look at the page as it is rendered, rather than look at the wikitext, you will see a properly formatted date. Magog the Ogre (talk) (contribs) 00:29, 13 May 2013 (UTC)
Ah. OK. Philafrenzy (talk) 11:49, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

migration = review

See this. "Cleanup TS" added "migration = review" to a {{GFDL-1.2}} file. You can test by using "cleanup TS" again on the current revision of the file information page: the script will try to readd it. GFDL 1.2 files are always ineligible for review, so no review parameters are needed. --Stefan4 (talk) 20:22, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

Logos des partis politiques valdôtains

Bonjour ! J'ai une question : est-ce qu'il suffirait de contacter par mail les partis politiques mentionnés sur ma page de discussion (outre au logo de l'UV, ceux de la Fédération autonomiste et du Renouveau valdôtain) pour obtenir la permission de téléverser leurs logos sur commons ? Merci. --Tenam2 (talk) 07:56, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

I'm sorry; I don't speak French. But I see you speak English; can you try again in English? Magog the Ogre (talk) (contribs) 21:09, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

PC 2018

I have noticed that you are Administrator. I have been blocked seven days for having nominated these logos twice by Fastily. Can I complain somewhere about that or is it normal process ? More generally I am a bit amazed at the way logos are handled, see for instance Renault 2009 logo.svg which for me is far from simple with its complex shadow patterns. Hektor (talk) 20:30, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

The reason you were blocked is because you produced poor reasoning in both of your nominations. In the first one, you said it was "copyrighted", but didn't in any way address the threshold of originality concerns which the tag on the image listed. Then you said something about how "it was not well copied," but the sentence doesn't make much sense in English (are you a native English speaker?). You then renominated the image for deletion only one day after the original nomination, and the reason you gave is that the TM isn't correct. But on Commons, we don't care about that; we normally only care about whether an image is free or not. If your problem is that an image is incorrect, you should create a new one.
Given that you were incorrect about policy, and that you made a second nomination which appears (on the surface) to have been done in bad faith, the block seems justified to me, even if a bit hasty (I would not have blocked you so quickly). Magog the Ogre (talk) (contribs) 21:16, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

No I am not a native speaker. My problem is that a Mr Joe Average can read Commons, see the logo, no trademark and no copyright and start printing Tshirts with it, saying I took it from Commons, it's free game. And I think that the IOC or POCOG guys can be quite nasty about that. I think that taking the logo and removing the TM sign from it before uploading it on Commons is a form of bad faith. I think also it is irresponsible to risk to put the Foundation into legal trouble, as a user, just of the thrill of giving yourself the impression that you have outwitted the IOC. Hektor (talk) 21:47, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

The problem is that your opinion did not trump Commons policy, which does allow trademarked images. If you disagree with this policy, then the proper venue is something like COM:VPC, not to continue to nominate the same image for deletion, meanwhile using entirely disingenuous reasons like you don't like the location of two of the letters. That sort of passive aggressive behavior is not something we take kindly. Treat the issue directly and, if you lose, c'est la vie. Magog the Ogre (talk) (contribs) 04:11, 31 May 2013 (UTC)


I have reported you for personal attacks. Fry1989 eh? 04:28, 31 May 2013 (UTC)

OgreBot's page collections are a right nuisance

Left a note about the issue at User talk:Marcus Cyron, and I am not sure where the issue lies for resolution. Thanks for your assistance.  — billinghurst sDrewth 13:47, 2 June 2013 (UTC)

Ogre bot re-uploads

In this file I uploaded the latest version of the file and the OgreBot upload the old version of the file to immediately upload to the one I uploaded. Is it normal of bug? Thank you in advance. --C messier (talk) 12:42, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

The bot behaved normally there. It cannot delete your original upload from history. Magog the Ogre (talk) (contribs) 01:38, 14 June 2013 (UTC)


Gdzie jest naruszenie praw autorskich? [3]

Np. Gadiculus argenteus ma takie prawa

This work is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-Noncommercial 3.0 Unported License. Image can be freely copied and altered but may be used only for non-commercial purposes. Original author and source must be properly acknowledged

Gdzie jest naruszenie? Alter welt (talk) 12:49, 15 June 2013 (UTC)

We (Commons) don't accept content with a non-commercial-only clause. See COM:L. If you need further help our clarification in Polish, see Commons:Bar. Magog the Ogre (talk) (contribs) 23:13, 15 June 2013 (UTC)
OK, my mistake. Not the license, overlooked details.Alter welt (talk) 06:35, 16 June 2013 (UTC)


Could you please explain at User talk:Mattbuck#"Nudity"? O_o why File:Eden_Atwood.jpg showed up on the nudity scan? -mattbuck (Talk) 09:07, 16 June 2013 (UTC)

Ogrebot configuration

Hi - re [4] and [5] - is it possible to configure the bot so that it puts the images directly into the gallery, rather than creating a new sub-page every time?  An optimist on the run! 05:50, 23 June 2013 (UTC)

That will be my next project. I'll let you know when it's done. Probably will take a few days, but it might take considerably longer. Magog the Ogre (talk) (contribs) 20:14, 23 June 2013 (UTC)
It'd be good if you could - thanks.  An optimist on the run! 05:32, 24 June 2013 (UTC)
Sorry I'm taking so long. In all honesty, when I get home from a day of programming at work, I just am so sick of it, I can't countenance any more of it. Also, I've been super busy. Magog the Ogre (talk) (contribs) 17:34, 13 July 2013 (UTC)

Category:Language templates with no text displayed

Hi Magog the Ogre. What about running your cleanup bot over this maintenance category? I guess that it would solve the problem in several cases, such as removing empty language templates. Any Template:BotMoveToCommons or similar should be left untouched. --Leyo 15:09, 2 July 2013 (UTC)

The bot already has an interface for that: tools:~magog/cleanup_multi.htm. I haven't advertised it because the Toolserver's user permissions have changed, breaking it from time to time, but it is functional right now. The bot will do several thousand changes at once (for safety reasons); once it is done with part of a category, please give Mediawiki a day or two to update the category listings, and then resubmit. Magog the Ogre (talk) (contribs) 23:16, 2 July 2013 (UTC)
Thanks. I “asked” your bot to perform this task for the above mentioned category. I guess that there is no easier way to check the status than Special:Contributions/OgreBot 2. --Leyo 08:57, 3 July 2013 (UTC)
It looks like it didn't start. How bizarre. It should have started within an hour or so. It worked for me when I tried. Well, I will do it manually tonight, our you can try again. Whichever you'd prefer. Magog the Ogre (talk) (contribs) 12:14, 3 July 2013 (UTC)
I tried again, also once for a smaller subcategory (Italian one). No success however… --Leyo 17:24, 3 July 2013 (UTC)
Seems to me that it's working as we speak for your most recent query. I will have to find out what bug is causing it not to iterate properly every time, and add that to my laundry list of things to fix in my bots. Magog the Ogre (talk) (contribs) 14:52, 4 July 2013 (UTC)
The only difference was that I ticked Subcategories? this time. --Leyo 15:06, 4 July 2013 (UTC)
Thanks for that information. Magog the Ogre (talk) (contribs) 15:08, 4 July 2013 (UTC)

What about running tools:~magog/cleanup_multi.htm automatically on a regular basis (e.g. daily)? The legacy cases in maintenance category will be cleaned out soon. A high percentage of the new cases might be solved with your bot. --Leyo 17:33, 17 July 2013 (UTC) PS. In this case the {{en}} was removed in error.

It already runs daily for all the new uploads. What are you asking for? Magog the Ogre (talk) (contribs) 22:33, 17 July 2013 (UTC)
Files that are newly in Category:Language templates with no text displayed are not always new uploads. The problem may have been introduced in the last edit or re-rendering of the file page was needed to add it to the category. I am referring to such cases. --Leyo 12:04, 18 July 2013 (UTC)
Two examples of such cases. --Leyo 08:45, 25 July 2013 (UTC)
Running it daily for that is extreme. I will set it up to run monthly, or, if you can convince me otherwise, maybe weekly. Magog the Ogre (talk) (contribs) 21:48, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

not working new gallery

Hi, User:Achim_Raschka/Festivalsommer 2013 (the new one from User:OgreBot/gallery) didn't work. Can you figure out, why? Regards, --Emha (talk) 07:22, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

Which file wasn't proprerly included? Magog the Ogre (talk) (contribs) 22:40, 23 July 2013 (UTC)
The page doesn't exist yet, and I uploaded File:Summerjam 20130705 Matisyahu DSC 0014 by Emha.jpg --Emha (talk) 07:31, 24 July 2013 (UTC)
This is because you only asked for Category:Festivalsommer 2013 on the configuration page, whereas the page you uploaded is in Category:Summerjam 2013, which isn't part of Festivalsommer's category tree. Magog the Ogre (talk) (contribs) 21:43, 24 July 2013 (UTC)
This file (as same as f.i. File:13-07-20_Amphi_Stahlmann_Mart.jpg or File:Madsen_(15).JPG) is in the (hidden) category Category:Festivalsommer_2013 and the subcategory Category:Images_with_Festivalsommer_Nikon-Kit_I. Does your bot ignore hidden categories? --Emha (talk) 07:59, 25 July 2013 (UTC)
No, I think the problem was that you included an underline instead of a space for the category name,[6] and the bot isn't smart enough to know the difference. Magog the Ogre (talk) (contribs) 22:13, 26 July 2013 (UTC)

Uh, sorry! And thank you for detecting and fixing it. Regards, -- Emha (talk) 05:22, 27 July 2013 (UTC)

Lois Griffin Fananrt: Re

Si llego a saber que tienes conocimientos de español te hubiese escrito en mi idioma xD. Thanks for contact with me, there's my answer. --Ravave (talk) 17:32, 28 July 2013 (UTC). P.S If you going to answer me to this message, leave the template Talckback

Commons es multilingüe, así que puedes escribir en la lengua que prefieras. La lengua franca es el inglés, pero todos sabemos usar el Traductor de Google para entendernos el uno al otro. Si hubieras escrito en cualquier idioma que conoce ese Traductor, yo lo habría entendido. Face-smile.svg Magog the Ogre (talk) (contribs) 17:39, 28 July 2013 (UTC)
Entendido. --Ravave (talk) 17:42, 28 July 2013 (UTC)


Mr.Magog the Ogre, Why did you delete the files i uploaded.

Hello! Why your bot does this? 06:32, 31 July 2013 (UTC)

At one point, there was discussion about moving the {{transferred from}} text down to the original upload log, because the source should only have the original source information; all transfer information should be below. I can't find the original discussion but part of it is here: User talk:Magog the Ogre/cleanup.js/Archive#User:OgreBot 2.
In this case, the bot removed it altogether because it is redundant: the original upload log already says it was transferred from et.wikipedia. If the template took the parameter 2 (the transferring user) or parameter 3 (the tool), it would not have removed it, but moved it down with the upload log.
Is that explanation satisfactory? Or do you still think there's a need for a modification of the bot behavior? If so, I could modify the bot to mark the change as minor for images marked as self-created. The bot will only make minor edits if it is making other changes to the page anyway. However, if I do that, it might take me a while; I'm busy IRL, and I already have several requests for feature changes to my scripts which I'm working on. Magog the Ogre (talk) (contribs) 10:04, 31 July 2013 (UTC)
Hm, I've always thought that simply "Own work" isn't enough for file transfers and it would be better to indicate somehow that one who's own work it is didn't upload it oneself here on this wiki (as usually "own work" is by the uploader). And so that it would be clear without checking the whole page (original upload section). I used to add something like ([[:et:File:Name.jpg|etwiki]]) after "Own work", but lately started to consider {{transfered from|}} more clear and sufficient.
I quess that the problem could have been that when source field consists only transfer note then the absence of original source doesn't show off well enough. But when e.g. {{own}} is there as well, then I don't see a problem with both of them being there. If the consensus to remove "transfer from" notes from source field isn't too strong, then you might want to modify the script so that it (re)moves "transfer from" template only when there's no {{own}}. 11:23, 31 July 2013 (UTC)
It's funny you'd bring that up, because I had the same response, and I initially coded the JavaScript tool (the predecessor of the bot) this way. However, I was outvoted by several other users, so I ignored it. I think the best idea would be to parameterize {{own}} (e.g., {{own|Magog the Ogre|w}} -> own work by Magog the Ogre), or to create a new template: {{own work by original uploader}}). This is a problem with several other tools (not just mine), so maybe you could bring this up at COM:VP or at Template talk:Own. Magog the Ogre (talk) (contribs) 01:36, 1 August 2013 (UTC)

heads up


Penyulap 23:51, 31 July 2013 (UTC)

That's useful; thank you. Magog the Ogre (talk) (contribs) 01:31, 1 August 2013 (UTC)

missed cleanup function?

I often coem across bot-moved images that still use localized file prefixes inside gallery tags (Bild: or Datei: if moved from german wikis, seen others as well). Could you update your cleanup Bot(s) to include this function? See [7] --Denniss (talk) 04:10, 2 August 2013 (UTC)

That is a good idea. I will work on that. Unfortunately, I spend a lot of time at work, so I'll have to put this idea into the queue of things I want to implement/fix. Magog the Ogre (talk) (contribs) 01:06, 5 August 2013 (UTC)

Error in User:OgreBot/gallery

Hi Magog! I've noticed that your great bot didn't vist my page (User:AleXXw/St. Pölten) for some weeks, may you have a look? I personal uploaded some pictures, so there have to be more ;) Best --AleXXw 22:22, 15 August 2013 (UTC) PS: Thanks for your great service!

Can you please show me one of the files it missed? Magog the Ogre (talk) (contribs) 22:25, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

Sure: File:Austrian Bowl 2013-451.JPG and also many others in Category:Austrian Bowl XXIX, the Bot ony recogniced the first 100 of 468. Best --AleXXw 22:33, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

It looks like the bot only processed one category for August 3, and then shut down. It was probably a Wimiedia server hiccup. I've rerun it; the date will be out of order, but it's better than not at all. Magog the Ogre (talk) (contribs) 00:36, 16 August 2013 (UTC)
Thanks! I know my own pictures, bit I don't want to miss any of the others :) Best --AleXXw 07:53, 16 August 2013 (UTC)

OgreBot 2 removed important information

Just leaving you a notice that OgreBot 2 removed some incorrectly marked up information instead of fixing the markup or tagging the file: If you find some time, you might want to improve that behaviour. Thanks for your otherwise helpful bot! --PanchoS (talk) 21:46, 22 August 2013 (UTC)

I will try to work on it. Magog the Ogre (talk) (contribs) 15:57, 24 August 2013 (UTC)

User galleries

Hello. You may be interested in Commons:Village_pump#NSFW_-_unexpected_inclusion_of_images_in_a_user.27s_sexuality_gallery.3F, which is about the sexuality user galleries that are automatically created by OgreBot. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 16:25, 26 August 2013 (UTC)

File:Schneekugel mit Teddybaer-Motiv.jpg

See this. It would have been better to convert the date to 2006-02-01 and delete the {{original upload date}} altogether. Note that the date as specified by the uploader is different to the date in the EXIF, so the uploader might be wrong about the date. --Stefan4 (talk) 20:15, 26 August 2013 (UTC)

The bot's built-in "this is German so it's dd-mm-yyyy" recognition apparently is borked. I will have a look at it at some point. Magog the Ogre (talk) (contribs) 01:27, 27 August 2013 (UTC)

Your message on my talk page

Perhaps you are unaware that any talk page notice doesn't appear the instant you post it on my page. I didn't intentionally ignore your message as you seem to think. I'm sorry you feel the need of accusing me of trying to cause trouble as that is certainly not the case.

I always used the upload tool you recommend. I tried to use it correctly. There are no instructions. I looked around for more instructions but there don't seem to be any. You don't offer any useful tips to avoid what you deem my intentional attempt to cause you trouble - just vague accusations. Uploading is not fun and I only did it because I wrongly thought I was being helpful.

I will stay out of your way as much as I can in the future and avoid anything that involves you. Hopefully, our paths will not cross again. I will do no more uploading. Soranoch (talk) 01:34, 31 August 2013 (UTC)

Your nose is laying on the ground. Magog the Ogre (talk) (contribs) 01:38, 31 August 2013 (UTC)

Thanks! No wonder this site is gaining editors. You can be proud! Soranoch (talk) 01:56, 31 August 2013 (UTC)

Commons:WikiProject Aviation/recent uploads

Hi, OgreBot sometimes runs twice per day listing aviation uploads, eg 14 times in 11 days for August 21-31. My old PC already struggles to cope towards the end of a typical 10/11 day period, so can you kindly investigate and fix, thanks. PeterWD (talk) 18:01, 1 September 2013 (UTC)

This occurs because the MediaWiki software times out for such a large addition to an already large page, and the bot thinks its edit didn't take, when in fact it did. I can see two solutions: 1) we create a new subpage each day for the new additions, or 2) I increase the timeout. I'm not a fan of option 2 though because it would hamper other galleries. Magog the Ogre (talk) (contribs) 18:20, 1 September 2013 (UTC)
Thanks for that rapid response. Just a thought, but perhaps a five day period might just soften the effect a bit for some of us. PeterWD (talk) 19:19, 1 September 2013 (UTC)

Uploading tool


You didn't acknowledge my reply to you on my talk page that I use the upload tool you recommended and only that tool. Further, I always fill in the TUSC account name and number. I haven't uploaded any images since, but not doing so definitely diminishes my pleasure here on the commons. Do you have any further suggestions? Soranoch (talk) 18:05, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

I'm sorry I didn't respond. I was under the impression that you preferred not receive my suggestions. Regardless, moving on:
  • I don't see where you ever created a TUSC account. In order to create an account, you must make a certain edit to your talk page which verifies your identity. I didn't see it in the talk page history,[8] although I could be missing it.
    • If you choose to use TUSC to upload, the bot will perform the upload for you. You will only have to clean up the bot text afterwards. To do this, choose the option which says "Directly upload file (using commons user name 'File Upload Bot (Magnus Manske)')"
  • If you choose not to use TUSC (which is a perfectly feasible option), then you save the image from Wikipedia on your computer (I usually put it on my desktop). Then you go to the bot upload page, type in the project name, local image name, the new image name, and your Commons image name. After you click next, it will take some time, but then it will come back with a large amount of text. Click the button that says upload at commons. It will prefill the text; you shouldn't need to use the wizard at all to choose a license. Select the file off your hard drive, ignore the license field (even though it says it will be deleted, it is wrong). Click upload, and you should be done.
That was a lot of text, and I'm not always very good at explanations. If you still don't understand something at a specific point, let me know and I will further explain. Magog the Ogre (talk) (contribs) 18:25, 2 September 2013 (UTC)
Thanks for your reply. I followed your instructions and have a TUSC token now.
My mistake, it looks like, is that I don't click the option which says "Directly upload file (using commons user name 'File Upload Bot (Magnus Manske)')". Rather I select the the one that says "Get text" etc. and upload the file from my desk top.
One of the reasons transferring files is important to me is that frequently I can create a category for an uncategorized file on the Commons by uploading several images to form a category from the Wikipedia page. If I come across another opportunity to move a file to the Commons, I'll try the method you're suggesting. Thanks for taking the time to explain this to me. Best wishes, Soranoch (talk) 21:47, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

Problem with upload tool


I uploaded a file File:Aberdeen Floating Village.JPG which maybe should be deleted. Upon visiting the uploaders talk page, I see that it may have copyright problems. I didn't give it a category. I was planning to create a category for floating villages, but I guess I won't.

There's probably a template I should put on it to request review/deletion. I apologize for my poor skills at figuring this stuff out.

Also, I tried to use the upload tool you recommended. However the TUSC password was deemed invalid and the upload was aborted. I tried both my old TUSC password and the new one I have per the token on my user page. Both ways the upload tool aborted the upload and only the other tool worked (the one where I upload from my desk top), using my old TUSC password.

Do you have any advice? Thanks, Soranoch (talk) 18:41, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

I deleted the file for you. In the future, just tag it with {{speedy|Uploader request}} and someone will delete it.
The password to use should be the same as the new password you typed into this page. It is not the token you typed on your userpage; that token is only used by the bot to verify your identity. Magog the Ogre (talk) (contribs) 22:07, 4 September 2013 (UTC)
Thanks for that! The password was my new TUSC password, not the token on my user page. I'll try it again. Or should I register another TUSC? Soranoch (talk) 22:44, 4 September 2013 (UTC)
I would just use the new password. Magog the Ogre (talk) (contribs) 22:48, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

Upload tool still aborts


I tried to upload a file using my new TUSC password and the upload tool still aborted. The message:
"Querying CommonSense ...done.
Querying image data ...done.
Retrieving image description ...done.
Your (Soranock) TUSC verification was not successful. Aborting."

Soranoch (talk) 01:13, 5 September 2013 (UTC)

So I uploaded it with the other tool with no problems. Tried to fill in info correctly. Problem is that the License choices don't offer a PD version, so I have to use another. Soranoch (talk) 01:31, 5 September 2013 (UTC)
If you can't find a suitable license, it's better to leave the image untagged, and to type in the license yourself. Magog the Ogre (talk) (contribs) 03:48, 5 September 2013 (UTC)


Hi, your bot OgreBot 2 changed the license on that file : File:Landry - Boissons alcooliques et leurs falsifications (1867).djvu from {{PD-scan|PD-old-70}} to {{PD-scan-70}} but this one doesn't exist anymore. Jarekt worked on PD-scan licenses and deleted it. Your bot might need an update. Aristoi (talk) 22:21, 9 September 2013 (UTC)

Why would he do that? Now everything is broken. Magog the Ogre (talk) (contribs) 22:19, 10 September 2013 (UTC)

Deletion request for files in Category:Logos of Eurovision that uses the Eurovision heart

Hello Magog the Ogre, As you have previously participated in a discussion regarding deletion Eurovision Song Contest logos, I would like to direct your attention to Commons:Deletion requests/Files in Category:Logos of Eurovision, where a discussion regarding deletion of 79 logo files are taking place and I would also like to encourage you to participate in said discussion, so we may all benefit from what-ever knowledge and experience, you may have gained during the last discussion. In kind regards, --heb [T C E] 13:34, 12 September 2013 (UTC)

Curious advert pops up on some images


Every now and then a travel advert pops up offering coupons in the lower right corner of an image. Just now I clicked File:Li River tourist boat.jpg and it happened again. Why is this?

Thanks, Soranoch (talk) 17:49, 12 September 2013 (UTC)

You probably have spyware on your machine, or that your ISP is inserting advertisements into your browsing experience. Most likely, it is the former. Magog the Ogre (talk) (contribs) 23:38, 12 September 2013 (UTC)
Thanks! There is this thing called MCKafee (or something) that seems to have gotten on my machine somehow. I already hate my ISP as it is, so they better not be adding adverts! This only started recently and I've had the same ISP for about five years. Soranoch (talk) 22:32, 13 September 2013 (UTC)

COM:BWR#Incorrectly transcluded information templates

Hi Magog. Just to let you know: I mentioned your bot in this thread. --Leyo 08:36, 14 September 2013 (UTC)

question about categories and reliability


I came across a photo that led me to a Wikipedia page. The page is up for deletion because it seems promotional. See w:Alen Seed. Meanwhile the same, or similar user has established a category here on the Commons for Alen Seed. See File:Alen Seed.jpg. There are two more photos of Alen Seed in Category:Media needing categories as of 20 September 2013.

My question is this: can anyone establish a category on the Commons for someone, claiming they are a singer, songwriter etc. when this seems just promotional and there's no reliable sources for the claim?

Thanks, Soranoch (talk) 19:36, 20 September 2013 (UTC)

No. If the page is ultimately deleted at English Wikipedia, then you can make a case that the images should be deleted in a deletion nomination. You should highlight COM:SCOPE. Magog the Ogre (talk) (contribs) 22:00, 20 September 2013 (UTC)

Removing/adding templates in WLM images

Hi, in case there are again issues about removing/adding templates in WLM images, pleas kindly take a look at this recent decision of WLM international team. Among others, it holds that users are allowed to remove additional templates from images they've uploaded and other users should not re-add them. Thank you. --vacio 23:43, 21 September 2013 (UTC)

Just to correct Vacio. According this users are allowed to remove WLM templates from images they've uploaded, not Monuments identifier template. For example, as user Vagharsh did here (removed monument identifier template). Even after my warning: [9]. --Interfase (talk) 07:07, 22 September 2013 (UTC)
Re: Vacio, I don't really care what WLM has "decided." It does not have authority to decide who gets to edit war over what. Wikipedia has an excellent policy on this: w:WP:OWN. Commons doesn't have this policy precisely, but it does have a policy against edit warring. As far as I'm concerned, anyone revert warring to remove "the other side's" content is subject to being blocked for edit warring, including on self-uploaded images. No, you do not own the content anymore; the community does.
Of course, if you disagree with me, you're free to take it to the noticeboards. I find it likely that you will find that they have almost as little patience for polemics as I do. Magog the Ogre (talk) (contribs) 00:09, 23 September 2013 (UTC)
I disagree with you, but I am afraid there is a little bit communication problem here:
Actually, I think you are totally right about everything except of this: it is not so much about w:WP:OWN/COM:OWN in this case, rather about how we let some things work in WLM contest. Some users apparently did not agree on how images should be nominated for the contest and unfortunately they started edit warring. As a someone who is not involved in the template-removing-re-adding-war, I am trying to help those folks to get to a consensus following COM:DISPUTE. Sure, WLM has no authority over Wikimedia Commons (btw., I now see it was more correctly to use the wording opinion rather than decision...), but I think their opinion is a good indicator to get to consensus here in Commons.
Secondly, Interfase is right correcting me: WLM community does not suggest that uploaders could remove/add just "any" template in "their" images, but only the one which nominates it for the contest in a specific country, namely {{country code}}. Thus, the WLM community (and me) are suggesting that users should feel free to readjust or remove this templates from images they've uploaded, while any other content should stay.
So, please take one more look at this issue. I sincerely believe this must look a reasonable and acceptable solution for everyone. --vacio 07:37, 23 September 2013 (UTC)
If the WLM can come up with a workable fair solution for everyone, then feel free. Let me say: if you are going to outreach Interfase and other people opposite to your POV, you will need to find a neutral party. This is because a) the other side will never see you as neutral, and b) you probably will actually be non-neutral, despite how hard you try. Take it from my years of watching silly edit disputes on English Wikiepdia. Magog the Ogre (talk) (contribs) 23:03, 23 September 2013 (UTC)
Sure, I wont claim I am totally neutral here. But it seems that Interfase and others are OK with this solution (except for one detail, but we agreed on this). Even though I have a certain POV here, I think this solution is the most reasonable one. --vacio 00:23, 24 September 2013 (UTC)

User Chaojoker

Hi, Magog the Ogre. User Chaojoker removed ID number and category of the monument in Azerbaijan. Even after my warning, that any user caught removing templates Armenia and/or Azerbaijan will get blocked, he contunues his removing. He removes Azerbaijani description of the monument, ID number and category. I think he needs some time for thinking about the rules of the project. --Interfase (talk) 17:10, 25 September 2013 (UTC)

I have not removed any templates because they belong to one country or another; I have simply removed wrong info about a monument. I had already started a discussion about the usage of wrong monument ID by User:Interfase at his talk page, where I had asked how he was identifying a Hellenistic archaeological site with a monument ID referring to a structure form Medieval times (as a little background, the site was discovered in 2005, and the Azerbaijani government has had no access to the region since early 90's). Despite difference in era, creator, name, and even the interwiki link to the Azerbaijani wiki, user:Interfase was insisting, without any evidence, that the ID he put there should be preserved. Later I noticed that he has done the same with many more files (and insists just as fervently and causelessly to keep them). In his haste to place {{Cultural Heritage Azerbaijan}} in every NKR image uploaded to Wiki Loves Monuments 2013 in Armenia & Nagorno-Karabakh, and before the edit war was stopped, he has put whatever monument ID that seemed to be handy without any regard to whether it corresponds to the monument or not in many images. I have nothing against having the template when the ID number is referring to the same monument. But not in the case of mistakes. In your mass revert of the edits of an IP address earlier, while it was useful to stop the edit war, it ended up bringing back a lot of misinformation that User:Interfase had added earlier. For example, you can see the location of this monument here, however, the monument ID, description and category that user:interfase had added were here, which is not even the same location (the full discussion can be seen under his threat in my talk page). I ask that the images that user:interfase has edited be checked and the non-corresponding heritage ID numbers be removed (which is what I was doing before I was threatened by user:interfase). Chaojoker (talk) 19:51, 25 September 2013 (UTC)
Comment․ I took a look at the discussion mentioned by Chaojoker and Interfase, and it indeed seems that the monument ID added by Interfase is located some 50km to the south of the actual monument. We've agreed earlier that users should feel free to add monument identifier templates and categories to WLM images, but this of course only applies to templates with correct information! --vacio 20:33, 25 September 2013 (UTC)
That seems reasonable to me. Don't you agree Interfase? Also, just to clarify: I mass reverted a user who is sockpuppeting and trolling en masse; the revert had nothing to do with my opinion of the content. Magog the Ogre (talk) (contribs) 22:20, 25 September 2013 (UTC)

Unprotect request

Hi. If possible, can you please unprotect File:Շուշիի Ղազանչեցոց մայր տաճարը-09.JPG before the expiration date? I would like to edit the templates/categories. It seems that everyone calmed down and stopped editwarring. --vacio 22:43, 25 September 2013 (UTC)

Thank you :) --vacio 15:17, 26 September 2013 (UTC)

Question about category wording


What is the reasoning for using "of" versus "in" for category names: e.g. "Lakes in India" or "Lakes of India"? Also, why is a name used without a qualifier, such as Category:Rajgad instead of Category:Rajgad Fort? (same for mountain peaks, etc.)

Again, I apologize for not using the TUSC the right way, but I just can't get it to work when uploading. I always get a "failed" message.

Best wishes, Soranoch (talk) 23:14, 27 September 2013 (UTC)

The fact is, unlike English Wikipedia, the Commons category naming conventions are a mostly ad-hoc affair. Fort he most part, we just make them up as we go. If you're bothered by the fact that similar categories have different naming conventions, then you can follow the instructions for a rename at Template:Move. Magog the Ogre (talk) (contribs) 03:11, 28 September 2013 (UTC)
Okay, thanks. I think I'll just go along with the Commons way of doing things. I'm not so bothered, and Template:Move looks a little beyond my abilities. I'm not good at understanding instructions (which you've probably guessed!) And thanks for taking the time to answer my questions. Best wishes, Soranoch (talk) 13:51, 28 September 2013 (UTC)