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Archive 1: 2006 - June 2008


See User_talk:Hesperian#Australasia. -- carol (talk) 06:56, 5 July 2008 (UTC)


So I got em very wrong after all and i thought i had some gastros and you have put em in davies - literally hanging off the edge of the upper reaches of Statham's Quarry - and if you look very carefully on one of the climber shots even growing in cracks on the side of the quarry face :) SatuSuro (talk) 12:38, 26 August 2008 (UTC) Im not sure whether that should be hahaha or heheh - just wait till i get my acacia pulchella variants loaded that will give you a chance to get prickled SatuSuro (talk) 10:47, 27 August 2008 (UTC) BTW Thanks for the droser... unidentified cat - have another one somewhere else from drummond reserve - this week sometime I hope SatuSuro (talk) 07:57, 31 August 2008 (UTC)


Category:Xylomelum angustifolium some images of interest maybe? Gnangarra 13:54, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

recent piccies[edit]

there is a damned lot more from where they come from :( SatuSuro (talk) 14:18, 4 September 2008 (UTC) Ok - thanks for that - but there is a non town location that cannot be erased - it is on the waters of lake burbury about 3 km east south east of the north mount owen peak - looking north west across to the hillside (Mt Sedgwick) that i used to get paid climb by none other than mt lyell - in the late 1970's with a guy (who committed suicide just 3 months ago) - and back down south to the left towards the small thureau hills that lie east of mount huxley - it is out of the linda townsite, and north of the crotty townsite (both ghost towns crotty being submerged as well) majic spot hard to explain This actually relates to about 5 pictures - I must upload them sometime SatuSuro (talk) 14:33, 4 September 2008 (UTC) and modified to make sense SatuSuro (talk) 23:44, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

Thank you - I hope that gave a sense of the threat above there is a damned lot more... - your id'ing is appreciated - thanks SatuSuro (talk) 11:45, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
Bring 'em on :) Melburnian (talk) 11:55, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
Gawd if there was only the time and brain space - darling scarp flowers are getting a wet patch at the mo - was across the road on the road between bolgart and goomalling - ( I once worked for the DEC/Calm roadside conservation committee as an inputter in the very very deep past) and I simply dont have a very good handle on grevilleas at the mo - is it an easy one do you think? all mine inmy garden are the red types :( SatuSuro (talk) 12:29, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
I'm not sure which one that is - should be able to work it out down the track though. Melburnian (talk) 13:15, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for labouring through - my copy of Ireland and Macey from 2003 is being very useful in helping the more common varieties - as I say hell of a lot more to go yet - I dream of getting real camera as well - oh well SatuSuro (talk) 12:20, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

arguing the "the"[edit]

I watched a disturbing animation at the end of my day yesterday. Only eleven minutes of it and so many of those were devoted to this one eh, thing. I must apologize that this is so strongly on my mind right now, the animated series is usually funny and occasionally thought-provoking in a more eh, intellectual way....

Then to have my question about if the only thing that you were good for being to argue/vote about the inclusion of the word "the" in a category name here or not be deleted without response -- that is what happens when the response is positive (like that is the only thing you are capable of) but a refusal to read it or show that?

You actually had access to the same document that I have continued to share over and over again with user instances from your country.

Can you provide the in between parts that I am missing that makes all of this make sense?

How would you vote about a category for "Problem Users" vs "The Problem Users" (if this is the only thing you are capable of or if this thing you are capable of)? -- carol (talk) 18:46, 14 September 2008 (UTC)


I have i reckon it might be wrong - if you look at leaves its a luarina not a petialurus SatuSuro (talk) 13:40, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

I agree it's Hakea laurina --Melburnian (talk) 13:52, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
Thanks i wont go into my long relationship with petialuruses here its unnecessary - but also my time with laurina's is another subject if yu are in melbourne in late november or early december maybe i can shout you a beer/coffee and explain and bore with details of some of the outs and downs etc of trying to get reasonable shots in west coast tassie of similar items :( SatuSuro (talk) 14:17, 15 September 2008 (UTC)


Hello, Melburnian, is it possible, that this plant (Image:Strettle Road Reserve Satu-4.JPG) is Prasophyllum elatum? Unfortunately I have no further informations about Australian orchid. (besides Internet). Greetings. Orchi (talk) 22:10, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

Yes, it does look very much like this image taken in Perth. Melburnian (talk) 02:38, 17 September 2008 (UTC)
and florabase agrees as well Gnangarra 04:47, 17 September 2008 (UTC)
And I was getting confused wiht brownii SatuSuro (talk) 08:40, 17 September 2008 (UTC)
I think that's a consensus - I'll update the name. Melburnian (talk) 08:45, 17 September 2008 (UTC)
Well i reckon its brownii but my refs are not helping - so I'll leave it be for the moment SatuSuro (talk) 09:01, 17 September 2008 (UTC)
FloraBase have brownii as flowering from November to January [1].Melburnian (talk) 13:31, 17 September 2008 (UTC)
Thank you and greetings to all.Orchi (talk) 20:41, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

Latin names[edit]

Once added is there any protocol against adding locality categories? SatuSuro (talk) 12:56, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

I think adding locality categories for plants "in the wild" is a good thing, although if they occur in a notable reserve, I would use that category instead of the locality. Melburnian (talk) 23:55, 20 September 2008 (UTC)
Strettle road reserve is not notable - so thats why i created the locality which is - as the main category and it also covers about 4 or so other locations within the locality that are potential gnng and self photo shoot locations SatuSuro (talk) 12:48, 21 September 2008 (UTC)


Glen Forrest Satu indicates cultivated - all the rest are not SatuSuro (talk) 14:17, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

But why should it matter? I am not in any way gonna give my address out and was reluctant to even identify my suburb, the point is I consider such issues spurious - If I havent mentioned it already - I have grown Tuart trees on bauxite at my previous address an the darling scarp - as well as ocean sand dune scaevola very succesfully here - and consider that the location of a plants growing might not fit into the text book allocation - but hey it sure comes up with some interesting results. Think of the stuff that gnang and others have photographed at Kings Park - a lot of that is not meant to be there either. I may well have missed the point of your question but wp en has got me very edgy :) too many idiot cfd cfr xf etc's and prods both ways to feel comfortable at the mo - so nothing personal or anything :) SatuSuro (talk) 12:06, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

My apologies for my tone - its been hell out there (peter sellers voice) SatuSuro (talk) 12:43, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

Thank you very much for the ID'ing - It is appreciated - I got confused with Image:Calothamnus quadrifidus - 001.jpg though - it didnt look right to me :( - but then i checked my own and yes i suppose so SatuSuro (talk) 12:49, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

One of my favourite plants - first of many of this one cheers its not the last SatuSuro (talk) 13:57, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for that, I've put it in the en.wikipedia article. Melburnian (talk) 00:54, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
Similarly thanks for putting it up - the smell of scaveola crassifolia is the trick - I have never found anything in the scientific stuff i know about the odorifics of australian biota - a never pursued part of my never finished post grad work was the language and notions of taste and smell in the community that i did my fieldwork in - their notion of what constituted good' or 'bad' smells is a Phd in itself - cheers SatuSuro (talk) 03:06, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

Ping - FYI[edit]

User:Gnangarra/gallery#Mon_Oct_06_16:25:30_GMT.2B08:00_2008, also 3 more stylidium species to upload Gnangarra 08:37, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, nice orchid pictures. Melburnian (talk) 08:49, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

a carol for the moondynes[edit]

it's just your jive talkin' 
your telling me lies
jive talkin' 
you wear a disguise


if there is somebody you love 'til you die
then all that jive talkin' just gets in your eye

by Barry, Robin and Maurice, ~1974 or 1975

Tip: Categorizing images[edit]

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Hello, Melburnian!

Tip: Add categories to your images

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Image use[edit]

Was interseted in using one of your images in a catalogue. Do you sell the use of images.

my email address is

please let me know.



Footscray Park[edit]

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Erin (talk) 02:22, 1 November 2009 (UTC)


Thanks for the ID's, it saved me a bit of mucking around. FYI I'm planning on altering orientations, in the next couple of weeks unless the image is going into an article somewhere let me know if you are going to use any. Gnangarra 01:51, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

No worries, thanks for the uploads. I thought in the short term I might start an article based on one of your Hybanthus photos, they look good to go. Melburnian (talk) 12:32, 25 November 2009 (UTC)


Is that the right word for spider id? I have some and havent the foggiest - any clues what avenue/ed i might chase to have a broad idea of even the family? - cheers SatuSuro (talk) 07:40, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

You may want to pay a visit to the arachnologists at WikiProject Arthropods. My knowledge of life forms is generally in inverse proportion to the number of eyes that they possess. Melburnian (talk) 09:28, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
gawd arachnologists - oh well should have checked my hard copy dictionary before I opened my mouth - I suppose there arent that many life forms with more than one mouth at least :( SatuSuro (talk) 13:54, 12 February 2010 (UTC) (thinks what the hell was i thinking when i put herpetols up? ohh thats right the bloody lizards mob :( )


Yep - but the leaves are not right for preisii or thelemanii (the very rare one) it is a cultivar :( - and the branch is long - on clay soil and was thriving - still checking SatuSuro (talk) 13:08, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

Yes, definitely of eastern extraction - I'm thinking it looks somewhat like Grevillea 'Ivanhoe'[2].Melburnian (talk) 23:29, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
Bloody cultivars and I thought it was west ozzie one - yes the leaf fits - I'd go for it from that picki alone SatuSuro (talk) 01:17, 24 February 2010 (UTC)


Yeah maybe I should have a new admin resolution of trying to make sure i get the mistakes in the oz flower alley ways fixed - :) - thanks anyways - its gonna be a slow start methinks SatuSuro (talk) 07:56, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the hookeriana id - appreciated SatuSuro (talk) 14:06, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
No worries, thanks for the uploads. Melburnian (talk) 14:29, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
Too many threads, too many ideas - i got a scratch at lichen a week or so go - have heaps and heaps to do in that area yet as well SatuSuro (talk) 14:54, 7 May 2010 (UTC)

Pterostylis coccina Fitzg., Austral. Orch. 1(4): t. 3 (1878)[edit]

Hello Melburnian, I have spoken with Bernd and he gave me the author and title of the work, which use the species name coccinea. It is: David L. Jones: Native Orchids of Australia. In the meantime I found this plate from 1882 [3]. This work is from R. D. Fitzgeraldi, who described the species in 1878. Because KEW and MBG use Pterostylis coccina also, I changed the name in all Wikipedias. I think, it' correct to say, Pterostylis coccinea is an orthographic variation. Thanks for your motivation to find the best name. Greeting. Orchi (talk) 15:35, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

That's a nice illustration. Thanks very much for sorting it out. Melburnian (talk) 01:26, 8 July 2010 (UTC)


Do you know what plant this is? I'm assuming it is a Geranium. Bidgee (talk) 15:25, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

That's correct common-name wise. It's a Pelargonium hybrid. Melburnian (talk) 06:11, 25 November 2010 (UTC)
I only know it by the common name, I know there is a few plants which can look like Pelargonium (Geranium) so I was unsure. Thank you for you ident help. :) Bidgee (talk) 14:59, 27 November 2010 (UTC)

SLQ categorisation[edit]

Thanks for all your work on manually adding categories. SLQ is receiving live updates, so they can see how the work is progressing. Please note that we are also building a mapping between SLQ 'subject' and Commons categories at Commons:State Library of Queensland/Subjects. The bot automatically uses those mappings to categorise images for future uploads and retrospectively. The bot is currently paused while the community assesses the existing process and helps us improve it. John Vandenberg (chat) 00:44, 18 December 2010 (UTC)

And thank you for your role - this sets a welcome precedent for accessibility of historic Australian photographs.Melburnian (talk) 01:32, 18 December 2010 (UTC)
The State Library of Queensland are a great bunch to work with. I recommend reading this report by one of the people we have been working with. John Vandenberg (chat) 02:31, 18 December 2010 (UTC)

I'm starting to fill the categories like '<topic> in <city>', and noticed that you created Category:World War II home front in Brisbane, now containing 126 images. Lovely! John Vandenberg (chat) 22:04, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for that, when the images are filtered in to quite specific categories like that, they really start to tell a story, a bit liked themed exhibitions in a gallery. I'm always interested to check out your latest SLQbot uploads. Melburnian (talk) 03:41, 11 January 2011 (UTC)


May or not amuse you - cheers - happy christmas and new year by the way SatuSuro (talk) 08:21, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

Ta, all the best for christmas and the new year to you too. Melburnian (talk) 09:44, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

ludlow forrest[edit]

Was going to put the whole cat in the tuart cat as the forest is recognised the last remnannt forest of the tuart in WA. Gnangarra 08:01, 28 March 2011 (UTC)

thanks for poking around the uploads Gnangarra 08:01, 28 March 2011 (UTC)
OK, I'll leave that one with you. Thanks for the uploads, a great start! Melburnian (talk) 08:10, 28 March 2011 (UTC)

spelling issues - I am hoping he will agree to change the gallery files as well so that the stupid redirects can be chopped - cheers SatuSuro (talk) 12:26, 28 March 2011 (UTC)

I am stumped[edit]

By a few after 3 years - for example - would you have any clue? - would appreciate your advice whatever - cheers (long time no speak - trust all is well) SatuSuro (talk) 14:32, 19 April 2011 (UTC)

Looks to be a Gastrolobium obovatum. List of the genus of Gastrolobium. Bidgee (talk) 14:53, 19 April 2011 (UTC)
doh lazy me - thanks for that - cheers SatuSuro (talk) 15:27, 19 April 2011 (UTC)
Didn't know about that site until I typed in "Tooyay pea like flower". What's the old saying "You learn something new every day"? I know I do. ;) Bidgee (talk) 15:45, 19 April 2011 (UTC)
Peas can be a bit tricky to identify, but I think the location[4], spines, reddish keel and reddish-brown calyx with small slits either side point to Bossiaea spinescens[5]--Melburnian (talk) 10:44, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
oops thanks for that - My stalled venture into gastrolobium vs other pea like ones some years ago has not been rectified by anyprolonged examination of the records since - thanks SatuSuro (talk) 13:31, 21 April 2011 (UTC)

File:Grevillea alpina Tooborac form.jpg[edit]

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Species question[edit]

Hi, any idea what File:OIC birds at gloucester tree picnic area 1.jpg and File:OIC birds at gloucester tree picnic area 2.jpg would be? I'm hopeless at these things, I just think "coloured bird" :P Orderinchaos (talk) 00:49, 3 April 2012 (UTC) picnic areas in the east we have Eastern Rosellas so surely at picnic grounds in the west you would have Western Rosellas ;) I've taken the liberty of posting at WP:BIRDS [6] to see what they have to say. Melburnian (talk) 08:48, 3 April 2012 (UTC)
Thanks heaps :) The question got answered there so I categorised the images appropriately. As a total aside, any idea what I should do with 21 plant pictures totalling 16.7 MB from around Geraldton, Western Australia, which I can't identify? I'm guessing some aren't even native, I snapped some in gardens. (This is the down side of uploading the images almost 5 years after I took them...) Would the best solution be to upload to Commons, post them in a noticeboard somewhere then rename them once identified? Orderinchaos (talk) 20:54, 3 April 2012 (UTC)
I think the best idea would be to upload the plant photos to Commons and put them in Category:Unidentified plants. For identification purposes it is important to note on the image description page the location of the plant, if it is cultivated, and whether any other uploaded photos show the same plant. Many cultivated plants are hard to identify accurately because of numerous numbers of hybrids and cultivars. If you can notify me when you have uploaded them, I'll have a go at identifying them to genus level at least (further if possible), and then you have them renamed accordingly. Melburnian (talk) 01:44, 4 April 2012 (UTC)
Thanks - I've uploaded them to Category:Photographs by Orderinchaos of unidentified plants. All of the locations are either at Kalbarri, Geraldton (inc. Rangeway, Tarcoola) or Dongara (inc. Port Denison and Springfield). Orderinchaos (talk) 14:27, 4 April 2012 (UTC)
Ah, some interesting stuff there. I think I'll add some initial categories and then refine them further, where I can, after I do a bit of research. I'll put the latin names in the image descriptions, then let you fill out the rest of the details. I'll probably do it over Easter, I'll drop a note here when I'm done. Melburnian (talk) 01:43, 5 April 2012 (UTC)
OK, that's me done for now. Melburnian (talk) 11:27, 9 April 2012 (UTC)
Thanks heaps - much appreciated :) Orderinchaos (talk) 02:13, 12 April 2012 (UTC)
Sorry to bother you further, but any ideas on two Adelaide ones I took and placed in the category? (Orange flower and Pink flower) Orderinchaos (talk) 16:58, 21 April 2012 (UTC)
No worries, I've had a go. Coincidentally, I stumbled on a yellow-flowered shrub in the bush in northern Victoria yesterday, and I thought hey, that's exactly the same as Orderinchaos's File:Nicotiana glauca in flower at dongara.jpg except over 3000 km away.--Melburnian (talk) 02:41, 22 April 2012 (UTC)