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File:Abdirashid Ali Shermarke.jpg[edit]

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Pieter Kuiper (talk) 10:19, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

Somali collage[edit]

Salaam midday, I have updated the collage with more free commons images, any feedback? --Somaliweyn (talk) 15:47, 1 September 2011 (UTC)

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Morning Sunshine (talk) 16:24, 15 June 2012 (UTC)

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Please provide a clear source for this image. By now, there is only the direct link to the image but this is not sufficient. In order to check the copyright status of this file, we need the homepage where this image can be found on VOI. Please note that the VOA republishes reporting from the Associated Press, Agence France-Presse and others. These are not in the public domain. Regards, High Contrast (talk) 16:34, 17 January 2013 (UTC)
You are keep falling back into old patterns. Do not remove problem tags without solving the problems. --High Contrast (talk) 19:28, 24 January 2013 (UTC)

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High Contrast (talk) 16:48, 17 January 2013 (UTC)

Please make sure to credit all authors, the license demands you to do this. Please read sections 4c and 7a of the legal code of the license. --Martin H. (talk) 10:04, 26 January 2013 (UTC)

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Images from panoramion[edit]

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Copyright status: File:Saidposcar.jpg[edit]

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Black people[edit]

this page, which you turned into a redirect to Category:People with black skin, to include it in that category's deletion discussion, was previously discussed, at Commons:Deletion requests/Black people, which was closed as kept, no rationale given for closure. i had opened that discussion to consider its structure, and came away with the idea that while "people w/black skin" has some problems that may be serious, this gallery may just need more work. i did that work, created a new structure for it, and added more images so it wasnt such an orphan. you did not give a rationale for your redirect, and you did not yourself bring the gallery up for discussion at "people w/black skin", which you should have done. I have undone your redirect action, and mentioned this gallery at the category discussion. If you feel strongly that this gallery should not exist, bring it up again for a deletion request, or simply discuss it at the category discussion. You also removed some images, prior to your redirect action, that as far as i can tell were of unambiguously "black" people. I undid those as well, after making sure the images were reasonable for this gallery again. Remember, this is a gallery, which to some degree makes it inherently subjective. we cannot include all images of black people here, and we cannot arbitrarily remove an image. valid reasons for removal would include: poor quality when a similar image (of a group or a person) exist, a person who is actually not ever truly considered black (en:Keith Jarrett is a good example, he is mistaken for black, but has no african ancestry to his knowledge), or the image is somehow otherwise out of the scope as we the editors define it. I have chosen to not include fanciful or stereotypical images, both because i really dont want such a gallery, and to simply limit the scope of the gallery to some degree. If you want to edit it further, please at least give a valid rationale in your edit summary, or discuss it at the gallery's talk page.Mercurywoodrose (talk) 18:49, 3 November 2013 (UTC)

There's no such thing as "unambiguously black people" because the racial category "black people" (like all racial categories, incidentally) has no basis in science. Every person I removed also comes from a society where a) the peoples in general do not regard themselves as belonging to the same "race" as most of the people included on that page [1] (though they likely will acknowledge having dark skin, which is a separate matter), and b) they are indeed of different ancestral/genetic background (e.g. [2], [3]). Their inclusion was thus subjective and inappropriate, and I have removed them again. That is also why no analogous "Brown people" or "White people" categories exist, and why WP:CATGRS stipulates that "Ethnic groups are commonly used when categorizing people; however, race is not." As for the Black people" deletion link, no real discussion seems to have taken place; it instead appears to have been closed prematurely. The page will thus have to re-nominated. Regards, Middayexpress (talk) 20:08, 3 November 2013 (UTC)

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Diaspora categories[edit]

Why did you remove Category:Black African diaspora from Category:Somali diaspora and other similar cats? Orrlingtalk 19:09, 26 January 2014 (UTC)

The populations in the categories in question come from a society where a) the peoples in general do not regard themselves as belonging to the same "race" as most of the people included in those cats [4] (though they likely will acknowledge having dark skin, which is a separate matter), and b) they are indeed of different ancestral/genetic background (e.g. [5], [6]). Their inclusion was thus subjective and inappropriate. As you are also already aware, WP:CATGRS expressly discourages such categorization as it is ultimatley subjective ("Ethnic groups are commonly used when categorizing people; however, race is not." As for the Black people"). Regards, Middayexpress (talk) 19:16, 26 January 2014 (UTC)
WP:CATGRS is an inexistent page. But are you implying Category:Black African diaspora and affiliated categories are incorrect notions? Somalis aren't Black Africans? Or they are but one just shouldn't categorize them as such on Wiki? Orrlingtalk 19:23, 26 January 2014 (UTC)
There's no such thing as "Black Africans", except among people not privy to scientific facts and racialists who would personally like to categorize people that way for their own ulterior motives. If Somalis, Ethiopians and Eritreans were on the whole were "Black Africans", than Jews and most other Afro-Asiatic peoples would in turn be predominantly of "Black African" origin since they share the bulk of their actual ancestry with the aforementioned groups. At any rate, the Wikipedia policy certainly exists; the correct link is WP:CATGRS. Regards, Middayexpress (talk) 19:34, 26 January 2014 (UTC)
We've long had the Category:Black African diaspora tree, and I believe you can start discussing it if you somehow disagree with its validity on this project; otherwise why do you need to peel off Ethiopians and Somalis from their Black African affiliation? Subsaharan peoples are known as and are referred to as Black Africans. I don't think this has been anywhere discusseed and agreed that we not tag Black Africans (not to mix with People with black skin, which is a crappy cat), but you may open my eyes. Orrlingtalk 19:50, 26 January 2014 (UTC)
Actually, Somalis and Ethiopians are not "Black Africans" in terms of their actual origin. They are of Afro-Asiatic origin (like Egyptians, Berbers, Arabs, Jews, etc.), but this is of course difficult for certain racialists to accept. The "black skin" category is absurd. However, it can at least be somewhat quantified, unlike the inherently subjective "Black African" cat. There's presently an ongoing deletion discussion on the latter category, which you are also already aware of. It certainly is not the first nor will it be the last. This is because the category and all of the ones like it are fundamentally against Wikipedia policy. They also tend to attract editors of the worst sort (racialists masquerading as neutral editors). This pernicious, self-serving presence on Wikipedia is what should and hopefully will soon be fixed. Regards, Middayexpress (talk) 20:25, 26 January 2014 (UTC)
There's a discussion on "People with black skin", I'm actually one of the supporters of that cat's deletion; there's however nowhere any discussion on the Black Africans tree, or is there one at en:wiki? You might have mixed "former" with "latter". This is OK. You're saying here, that the nations of the Horn of Africa aren't reckoned as Black people (as distinct from, say, Angolans) but are more associated with the Semitic peoples, which is interesting and OK for me as long as you know what you're saying. As far as my awareness concerns the Black Africans tree isn't going anywhere, but you're suggesting Eritreans, Ethiopians and Somalis don't actually belong there? I'd then further like to ask you, since there's a mini-mayhem coincidentally aroused at another area that's unrelated to us if, in line with the theory you advocate, you'd say that removing Category:People of Black African descent in Israel from Category:Israelis of Ethiopian descent is sound. There's currently some user who's attempting to leave "Israelis of Ethiopian descent" without its Black African parent, which is quite clearly baseless, what's your opinion? Orrlingtalk 20:57, 26 January 2014 (UTC)
Yes, that's the deletion discussion I was alluding to you already being aware of. It's also not a "theory" that Eritreans, Somalis and Ethiopians are of Afro-Asiatic origin. It's fact, regardless of whether or not certain racialist users are able to come to terms with this. This means that these various Afro-Asiatic populations (not just the Semitic ones) were at one point part of the same Proto-Afro-Asiatic community. This is why, even without taking the WP:CATGRS policy into consideration, it's inherently subjective to try and relegate some Afro-Asiatic origin groups to one category while assigning others to a separate category. That said, it's interesting that you assume above that "Black African" is the "parent" of "Israelis of Ethiopian descent", yet the very reason why the Ethiopian Jews were brought into Israel in the first place was because their Jewish origins had been confirmed. Clearly, there's something discordant there as well. Regards, Middayexpress (talk) 22:24, 26 January 2014 (UTC)
That Ethiopians and Eritreans are of an Afro-Asiatic section within the broad Black Africans group is an invalid idea? -Which decrees that people of these countries aren't Blacks? Orrlingtalk 22:45, 26 January 2014 (UTC)
This is my last reply to you. Any further such obvious strawmen as the rant above will be deleted per WP:DRRC. From both your comments and actions, you clearly harbor personal issues against Ethiopian Jews and other populations of the Horn. Specifically, you appear to feel uncomfortable with the fact that they descend from the same Proto-Afro-Asiatic ancestral population as Jews. This is especially evident from your remark that "the nations of the Horn of Africa aren't reckoned as Black people (as distinct from, say, Angolans) but are more associated with the Semitic peoples, which is interesting and OK for me as long as you know what you're saying". Besides being another strawman -- since I of course never up to that point said anything about Semitic peoples specifically, but rather about Afro-Asiatic peoples generally -- it is also somewhat disingenuous since you clearly aren't "OK" with the association of Ethiopian Jews in particular with other Jews, or you wouldn't have spent all this time and energy trying to distance the two sibling populations. It is likewise a very telling comment on your part because it shows that you personally do draw a distinction between Semitic ancestry and so-called "Black African" ancestry. Yet in your last post above, after it was demonstrated to you that the Horn populations actually descend from the same Proto-Afro-Asiatic community as Jews, you contradict yourself and come up with the bizarre notion of "an Afro-Asiatic section within the broad Black Africans group". This is an example of both intellectual acrobatics and moving the goalposts, as you know very well that this Proto-Afro-Asiatic ancestral connection has been confirmed by genetics as well. Your latest (broken) link was also presumably intended to equate anti-discrimination protests by Ethiopian Jews in Jerusalem with the inherently subjective notion of "Black African" identity. Especially ironic considering the fact that Israel itself was founded by people escaping persecution, and of the worst, genocidal kind at that. It's also rather like arguing that Palestinians aren't Semitic people because certain other Semitic people (i.e. some Jews) discriminate against them and see them as very different racially, though they are of course closely related, fellow Semitic people. At any rate, this has been an interesting learning experience. I'm glad I had a chance to pick your brain a little and see the real motivations behind your edits. I will be sure to inform other Horn of Africa WikiProject members about this and the Ethiopian Jew issue in particular. Regards, Middayexpress (talk) 15:23, 27 January 2014 (UTC)
That link still worked yesterday. I wasn't discussing the association of Africans and Jews, you appear to be mistaking this dialogue. I was trying to understand your suggested approach (which was introduced in edits like this) that appears to exclude obvious groups from the inherent categorization as Black/Subsaharan Africans. Could you please read carefully and focused devoid of assumptions. No strawmen on my part. At the most, an imperfect use of English which is a foreign language for me, and obviously I'm bona-fide trying to understand a matter which isn't an average specializing turf. You certainly don't need to convince me of the evident genuin Jewish relation of certain groups in the Horn, certainly not via totally-irrelevant connections such as genocide.. How have we harboured in that? I'm asking if you assert that Somalis and Ethiopians, per what you know, shouldn't be categorized as other "Black" African groups on Wiki. Since I additionally also need to decide how to unravel a difficulty caused by another user that has lately been nonsensically insisting on removing the obvious African attribute from our Ethiopian Israelis cat, I seek your plain voice on whether that removal makes sense or not. Either answer is OK, and if you aren't sure about that categorization this is fine too. Orrlingtalk 17:22, 27 January 2014 (UTC)
Kindly stop wasting my time. Your questions were already answered above, and repeatedly. I cannot be any clearer. You were both explained and shown that 1) Wikipedia policy expressly discourages racial categorization (WP:CATGRS: "Ethnic groups are commonly used when categorizing people; however, race is not"), 2) there is no such thing to begin with as "Black African" ancestry, 3) most Horn populations do not identify in that way, and 4) even if there had been such a thing, the shared Afro-Asiatic origins of Horn populations and Jewish, Arab, Berber, Egyptian and other Afro-Asiatic groups precludes that designation for the former. However, you are obviously uncomfortable with this shared Afro-Asiatic origin (despite an unconvincing claim to the contrary that you were "OK" with it) since you at one point tried to dismiss it as a "theory". You have also persisted in attempting to label this particular subset of Afro-Asiatic peoples as "Black", while altogether avoiding that descriptor for Jews and other ancestrally related Afro-Asiatic populations. It's interesting that for you, it's "obvious" that Ethiopians Jews are "Black" but Israeli Jews are somehow not at all, although Israeli Jews in reality share a majority of their ancestry with their Ethiopian counterparts. This is known as a double standard, and I think I know why. Your continued strawmen above (this time about you having "harboured in" the genocide or whatever -- something I never stated) are also unhelpful. Lastly, I politely asked you to stop posting here per WP:DRR, but you've persisted in that too. Any further rants here will be deleted per WP:HUSH. Regards, Middayexpress (talk) 18:48, 27 January 2014 (UTC)

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Leoboudv (talk) 23:55, 30 March 2014 (UTC)

File:Hajipntldhd3.png[edit]

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-- Ies (talk) 15:08, 1 April 2014 (UTC)

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Affected:

And also:

Yours sincerely, TeleComNasSprVen (talk) 01:04, 11 April 2014 (UTC)

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Affected:

And also:

Hi, did you know you can also upload videos to Commons? If you are technically unable to do so, please tell me and I will try to do perform the transfer for you as soon as possible.    FDMS  4    19:53, 21 April 2014 (UTC)