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Tip: Categorizing images[edit]

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Hello, Monkeybait!

Tip: Add categories to your images

Thanks a lot for contributing to the Wikimedia Commons! Here's a tip to make your uploads more useful: Why not add some categories to describe them? This will help more people to find and use them.

Here's how:

1) If you're using the UploadWizard, you can add categories to each file when you describe it. Just click "more options" for the file and add the categories which make sense:

Uploadwizard-categories.png

2) You can also pick the file from your list of uploads, edit the file description page, and manually add the category code at the end of the page.

[[Category:Category name]]

For example, if you are uploading a diagram showing the orbits of comets, you add the following code:

[[Category:Astronomical diagrams]]
[[Category:Comets]]

This will make the diagram show up in the categories "Astronomical diagrams" and "Comets".

When picking categories, try to choose a specific category ("Astronomical diagrams") over a generic one ("Illustrations").

Thanks again for your uploads! More information about categorization can be found in Commons:Categories, and don't hesitate to leave a note on the help desk.

CategorizationBot (talk) 11:07, 21 January 2010 (UTC)

DEFUNCT CATEGORY NOTATION[edit]

Just to let you know, the notation you used for establishing a table of contents in categories no longer functions. I am talking about the following: Category:US Army Regimental Distinctive Unit Insignia|Infantry 028. The only portion that is carried through to the category is the text before the "|". SSG Cornelius Seon (US Army, Retired) (talk) 07:59, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

File:65 Inf Rgt DUI.png[edit]

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Requested renames[edit]

I see that you have requested the rename of a number of DUI pictures from "Crest" to something else. The word "crest" is commonly used (even if mis-used) in this context, it is not particularly misleading to the general public. There are hundreds of similarly named files. I am inclined to decline the naming requests except where there is some other error in the naming. Precise file names are not particularly important, the important thing is to have the descriptions and categories correct and in multiple languages. --Tony Wills (talk) 00:34, 25 April 2011 (UTC)

It is incorrect. It is not about misleading the public. It is that a "crest" in US Army heraldry (other heraldry I do not know nor care about) is the doohicky at the top of a coat of arms (which is also frequently and incorrectly called a crest). A DUI is a pin that goes on a uniform to show regimental affiliation or assignment, and DUI are frequently referred to incorrectly as coats of arms.Monkeybait (talk) 02:12, 25 April 2011 (UTC)
I do not see any reason listed in COM:MOVE#What_files_should_be_renamed.3F that requires them to be renamed. The term 'crest' is quite adequate to give people an idea of the file contents. Filenames really, really aren't important, they're just placeholders/handles to link to the file with. Renaming files unnecessarily just generally adds to en:Link rot. So concentrate on getting the description page information precise (including translations if you can), that is what people see, not the actual filename here (which could be in any language and doesn't need to precisely describe the image contents). --Tony Wills (talk) 03:42, 25 April 2011 (UTC)
Fuggit, I should just stop editing. No matter how you try to organize military images on Commons, User:CORNELIUSSEON will just come along and fuck everything up anyway. Good faith means nothing when the person practising it is an idiot. Monkeybait (talk) 04:49, 25 April 2011 (UTC)
Sorry if I am adding to your problems :-(. You are right, it is sometimes difficult when we seem to be working against each other instead of with each other :-(. If you were renaming the files simply so that they would display in the category in an appropriate order, perhaps you would be better creating Gallery pages (eg US Army Regimental Distinctive Unit Insignia). After all categories should contain all images relating to the subject (including redundant originals, superceded ones etc), whereas a gallery can display things in a much more structured manner and leave out unwanted images. --Tony Wills (talk) 05:08, 25 April 2011 (UTC)
The renaming issue is the least of it. For example, some well meaning individual transfered it looks to be hundreds if not thousands of military insignia related files from the English wikipedia. He (I assume) let the transfer tool automatically choose categories...except the categories were too general or just plain wrong. And after doing this "service" to the community, he just leaves well enough alone and makes no attempt to re-categorise the files, even on the blatantly incorrect ones (such as U.S. unit patches being placed in the category "Military Rank" (and not even US military ranks at that)). So this is like bailing a ship with a thimble. If it was a thousand people with a thousand thimbles, there would be progress. But it looks to be me and another guy bailing water (one into the boat, one out) and a 3rd guy just hosing us down with a fire hose....does that make any sense? So it seems to me the best option is to find another pursuit. Monkeybait (talk) 05:23, 25 April 2011 (UTC)
Have you used the cat-a-lot tool, sounds as though it might be useful (turn it on under "gadgets" in your preferences) - not to be used for edit warring though :-). Unfortunately this isn't the military, so we can't shoot people when they undo our hard work ;-). Does the undoing each others work occur because you disagree on exactly what the images are of, or because you disagree on the names for the categories. Or do you have different criteria on which you are categorizing images? --Tony Wills (talk) 06:15, 25 April 2011 (UTC)
Definitely a difference in criteria. I'll exaggerate, but I will do something like "unit patches by unit size" such as "brigade patches" "division patches" and then he comes along and makes a category like "brigade patches with pictures of unicorns" as a sub-category of "brigade patches" and then takes a file out of the parent category and places it, just one file, in the new category (he is notorious for one file categories, like this Category:106th Infantry Regiment Heraldry although it looks like a lot have been deleted). He will choose a criteria for categorisation that makes no sense at all. I can take his cutting and pasting large sections of uniform regulations and unit histories, and can take him uploading 20 versions of the same picture, I could even deal with his weird categories if he left the other categories alone, but I can't deal with his constantly messing up the categories. Monkeybait (talk) 14:42, 25 April 2011 (UTC)
  • (reindent) Yes, very frustrating. One file categories are definitely unwanted, although sometimes acceptable if it fits into an agreed category scheme. So fundamentally there are different ideas of what the category structure should be. I don't know whether there is such an proposed or agreed scheme for the areas you are working in, but if there isn't it sounds as though it is needed. Basically a scheme tries to outline the structure of categories and sub-categories, so that everyone is working to the same goal. If you can't find an already existing scheme, look at others Category:Commons category schemes, some have put a lot of thought into it eg Commons:Category scheme ships, and could be a template for a new scheme. I see some people are working on something for COAs eg User:Skim/CoA naming scheme which may be of some use. If you have to create the scheme from scratch it will be a lot of work (and negotiation) but should make life easier for everyone in the long run :-). --Tony Wills (talk) 00:12, 27 April 2011 (UTC)

Badge naming[edit]

Hi, I notice you have a bee in your bonnet about the naming schemes of some of these insignia images. I'm currently converting a lot of these images to vector format so I can take the opportunity to rename them correctly if you like. let me know what you think. --Fred the Oyster (talk) 17:19, 3 August 2011 (UTC)

TUSC token 1889a74eb14ec9bbc10fee2ac8ef304a[edit]

I am now proud owner of a TUSC account!

File:7th Army Reserve Comd crest.jpg[edit]

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There seems to be a problem regarding the description and/or licensing of this particular file. It has been found that you've added in the image's description only a Template that's not a license and although it provides useful information about the image, it's not a valid license. Could you please resolve this problem, adding the license in the image linked above? You can edit the description page and change the text. Uploading a new version of the file does not change the description of the file. This page may give you more hints on which license to choose. Thank you.

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Declined some duplicate requests[edit]

Hi. I have declined some of your requests for duplicates. The parameters that admin use for {{duplicate}} has lots to do with the word exact as expressed in commons:Deletion policy. Basically we can have variations of images, and that gives user choice, though where the duplicates are exact, then there is no need for two copies. If you think that the files are worthy of deletion, then please progress through a deletion request.  — billinghurst sDrewth 10:08, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

Reverted File:18th_Avn_Bn_crest.jpg[edit]

Please see the policy Commons:Overwriting existing files about why I reverted, and upload it under a new name. We are not restricted to having one version, and this gives the users their choice.  — user:billinghurst|billinghurst user talk:billinghurst|sDrewth 08:54, 23 June 2013 (UTC)

And removing the rename templates, what is your rationale for that? Whatever.

File:504MPBnDUI.jpg[edit]

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File source is not properly indicated: File:11th Avn Unit Awards.jpg[edit]

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File source is not properly indicated: File:57th Infantry Regiment.jpg[edit]

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File:82nd troop command.gif[edit]

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File:11 Arm Div DUI.jpg[edit]

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File:7 Army DUI.jpg[edit]

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File:Second United States Army DUI.jpg[edit]

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