People's Liberation Army Ground Force
- If someone has some sourced material then I will update it within a few days. So far nobody contacted me with new/up to date info, so for now this graphic is the one we have. Noclador (talk) 11:48, 10 March 2018 (UTC)
Estonian Defence Forces
Firstly, I have to commend you on the wonderful work you've done. That said, there are a few things that are not quite right with the Estonian Defence Forces orbat. After the 2014 reform, many things were changed that aren't immediately obvious. One of the main things is that there is no Land Forces command anymore. The two brigades were made directly subordinate to the Commander of the Defence Forces. There are also some differences outside the main branches. The best source I could find for the changes is here: https://issuu.com/kaitsevagi/docs/kv_aastaraamat_2014_web/19
Most of this is also described in different statutes and laws. I can help you translate the material if you need it.
- Thank you for the compliment and thank you for contacting me with the changes. I will try to find time this weekend to re-work the graphic. I have a lot of questions: 1st - what do the colors mean? 2nd: I understand some of the designations (like brigaadi staap, Viru, Kalevi, Scouts, etc.) but a lot of the more obscure designations are unknown to me. Could you translate these? Also: the graphic is from 2014, that is four years ago. Do we have something more actual? I heard that the 2nd brigade would be brought up to full strength, but in the graphic it is still as it was when it was raised. Thank you again for your help, and with best regards, Noclador (talk) 16:12, 6 April 2018 (UTC)
- The blue colour means that there have been no changes to the unit, the orange colour means that the unit has changed its position in the structure, and the green colour means that the unit is new or has been changed significantly. When it comes to translations, you can just post the names you need to have translated (though admittedly, some are quite obscure even to me). The graphic was made following the reform in 2014 (published in 2015), so it is still quite fresh. The current structure is still the same, according to official statutes. Perhaps the only addition that isn't listed is the reserve Artillery Battalion under the 2nd Brigade - it isn't officially in the peace-time structure yet. The war-time structure would be quite different (consisting of roughly 20 000 men), but it isn't actually public.--Estonian1885 (talk) 05:55, 9 April 2018 (UTC)
- It is generally better. The brigades should be correct now. There are other minor differences. The "BALTNET C&C Center" is actually called "Combined Control and Reporting Centre Karmėlava" in one of the statutes (Link1). You can also see more details about the Air Force Headquarters in another statute (Link2). The headquarters is under the direct command of the Air Force Commander as seen here (Link3). I think it would be best to just group all those three units under the "Air Force" banner. The Naval Flotilla consits of: Operational Staff, Warships [sic!], Naval Training Establishment, Divers Squad. See sources (Link4, Link5). The Naval Base is quite different, it consists of: technical department, services department, administrative department, medical center. More details here (Link6). Unfortunately I couldn't find any statutes about the Naval Headquarters currently and it is not mentioned on the 2014 graph, so I have a strong suspicion that it doesn't actually exist anymore. Just like in the Air Force, all the mentioned units are under the direct command of the Navy Commander. The Support Command has changed significantly, it now consists of: Headquarters of the Support Command, Logistics Battalion, Logistics School, Movement and Transportation Service, Defence Materiel Division, Procurement Service, Medical Centre, Estate Service, Personnel Support Services Centre, Accounting Service, Orchestra. Source is here (Link7). The other units under the direct command of the Commander in Chief of the Defence Forces are (the following are all official names): Military Intelligence Centre of Estonian Defence Forces, Headquarters Support and Signal Battalion, Estonian National Defence College (with two subordinate schools - Officer School and Non-commissioned Officer School), Military Police (with two subordinate units - Guard Battalion and Operational Service), Estonian Special Operations Force, Estonian Contingent at NATO Cooperative Cyber Defence Centre of Excellence. If I have time I might whip up a crude drawing of how everything looks exactly.--Estonian1885 (talk) 16:14, 9 April 2018 (UTC)
2nd new graphic
Thank you for the graphic! And the translation. I did update the graphic now. I left out the Air Force Headquarters as this seems to be a administrative staff? Or is it operational? If it is administrative (= supporting the Air Force Commander) then it should be at the defense ministry? If it is not an operational HQ I think we should let it out (as also the Naval Headquarters doesn't seem to have been an operational command). Let me know what else we need to fix. Thank you again for your work, cheers Noclador (talk) 18:02, 11 April 2018 (UTC)
- It is much more accurate now. Nice job. There is one particular thing that needs to change though - the unit named "Control & Reporting Center Karmėlava", which is actually just the Estonian contingent at that place (meaning "Estonian contingent at Control & Reporting Center Karmėlava"). I'm not entirely sure what to do with the Air Force HQ. One the one hand, it is listed as a separate unit/department under the Air Force. However, one could easily conclude that the Air Force Command is the same thing. Like I said previously, one option would be to name the Air Force Command to simply Air Force and then list all the units associated with it. Another issue here is the fact that the Navy HQ was apparently abolished during the reform. I might have to make another more detailed graphic to explain how I see the structure.--Estonian1885 (talk) 19:32, 11 April 2018 (UTC)
hallow there if you could get time i'ld like you to help create badges for Namibian military pages,i have the pictures with me, not just sure on how to share them with you
Stemma Brigata Goito
non sono molto pratico dell'uso di discussione su wikipedia ma volevo fornire una informazione per far notare che lo stemma della brigata Goito è errato. La prima spada con manico in argento è dritta e non curva, simbolo della specialità fanteria. Soltanto la seconda, con manico in oro, sovrapposta alla prima, è con lama curva, simbolo dei bersaglieri. Spero che questa informazione sia utile.