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SVG request[edit]

Hi Odder. I was told you are good with converting files to SVG. I wonder if when you've got time you could make File:Can-Crown.png into SVG? I've tested with Inkscape myself without much success sadly. Thanks for your help in advance and sorry for the inconvenience. Regards, —MarcoAurelio 08:54, 10 February 2017 (UTC)

@MarcoAurelio: Does that work for you? If it does, then I'll upload it later today as I'm on my way out at the moment. odder (talk) 18:49, 10 February 2017 (UTC)
Odder, it looks great to me. I envy all of you who know how to do that :) Thanks, —MarcoAurelio 21:40, 10 February 2017 (UTC)
@MarcoAurelio: This now lives at File:St Edward's Crown with maple leaves.svg. odder (talk) 10:38, 11 February 2017 (UTC)
Thanks a lot. Best regards, —MarcoAurelio 22:44, 11 February 2017 (UTC)


Witaj. Jestem z Nonsensopedii. Od kilku lat Nonsensopedia współdzieli graficzne zasoby z commons. Mamy mały problem z jedną z grafik, tak wygląda na Nonsensopedii. Wywołuje u nas buga, zaśmiecając kategorię Nieużywanych plików, co normalnie nie powinno mieć miejsca. Czy można prosić o interwencję w tej sprawie, np. skasowanie tej grafiki lub przeniesienie jej pod inną nazwę (bez pozostawienia przekierowania pod obecną nazwą)? Pozdr. 08:31, 13 February 2017 (UTC)

Zrobione, przeniosłem grafikę pod inną nazwę, zobaczymy, czy zadziała; na razie musimy jeszcze zaczekać na odświeżenie pamięci podręcznej dla tej strony specjalnej. odder (talk) 20:45, 13 February 2017 (UTC)

Re: De-adminship[edit]

Hej! Dzięki za powiadomienie. Mocno liczyłem się z utratą uprawnień, ale mój czas przeznaczony na Wikimedia jest ograniczony, a ostatnio bardzo pochłania mnie praca w Zarządzie Stowarzyszenia Wikimedia Polska, w tym organizacja konferencji CEE Meeting 2017. Poza tym, na Commons ukształtowała się specyficzna społeczność i zasadniczo w polskojęzycznej Wikipedii zawsze czułem się lepiej niż tutaj. Pozdrawiam! Powerek38 (talk) 08:15, 16 February 2017 (UTC)

Appreciate the ping, thanks! --Elitre (talk) 14:03, 16 February 2017 (UTC)
Hi, I just took a look at my logs and I wonder if I'm fine now or there's anything else I need to do? Tnx. --Elitre (talk) 13:53, 18 May 2017 (UTC)
@Elitre: Looks OK to me! odder (talk) 18:20, 19 May 2017 (UTC)

Content model change request[edit]

Hi Odder. Please change the content model of this to JSON. — JJMC89(T·C) 16:27, 21 March 2017 (UTC)

@JJMC89: Sure thing! It's now done. odder (talk) 23:15, 21 March 2017 (UTC)
Thanks — JJMC89(T·C) 01:18, 22 March 2017 (UTC)

IP Adresa[edit]

Please unlock this ip address.-- 14:58, 14 April 2017 (UTC)

I think the fact you were able to edit this talk page, Anonymous, shows that the IP address you were using is indeed unlocked—doesn't it? odder (talk) 19:05, 14 April 2017 (UTC)


[1] > [2]. - Bwag (talk) 19:13, 19 April 2017 (UTC)

@Bwag: Are you planning to leave ironic messages on the other four oversighters' talk pages, too? odder (talk) 19:28, 19 April 2017 (UTC)
Passt schon - weiter so! "So the first real reaction was a indefinite block". - Bwag (talk) 19:41, 19 April 2017 (UTC)
Go away. odder (talk) 19:42, 19 April 2017 (UTC)


For what it is worth, I would like to direct your eyes at User talk:MichaelMaggs#Attack page. Last time I asked all the 'crats for help, one of them blocked me. So this time I'm asking just two who have on occasion demonstrated some 'crat-like competencies. Hope you can help. --Colin (talk)

A barnstar for you![edit]

WikiDefender Barnstar Hires.png The Defender of the Wiki Barnstar
I would like to thank you and Michael for making a brave and righteous action at Fæ's AN thread. This shows that we shall not tolerate these kinds of users to prevent Commons from being used for fraudulent purposes. You and Michael deserve this barnstar. Poké95 01:18, 25 April 2017 (UTC)
@Pokéfan95: While I appreciate the barnstar, I am quite confident you meant to write something completely different, so I'll just say thank you and will let it go ;-) odder (talk) 23:06, 25 April 2017 (UTC)



Can you please help with making a logo for the Dinka Wikipedia, which is about to be created? You are much better at it than I am.

The name "Wikipedia" is written the same way, and "The Free Encyclopedia" is "Athörëtɛ̈triɛ̈ɛ̈cëbɛ̈n lau".

The language code is "din".

Thank you! --Amir E. Aharoni (talk) 10:31, 13 June 2017 (UTC)

Hi @Amir, apologies for the late response; I will create the logo tonight. I can't find any Phabricator tasks for the creation of the Dinka Wikipedia—is there one that I can link to while submitting the logo through Gerrit? I will add you as a reviewer when I upload the logo so that you can keep an eye on it. Thanks, odder (talk) 18:06, 13 June 2017 (UTC)
I waited with the task creation until the logo :)
Thank you! --Amir E. Aharoni (talk) 18:18, 13 June 2017 (UTC)
Hi @Amir — the logo is now available in SVG and PNG as well as in change #358883 in Gerrit. Hope you like it, odder (talk) 21:35, 13 June 2017 (UTC)
Love it!!! Thank you! --Amir E. Aharoni (talk) 10:30, 14 June 2017 (UTC)
@Amir: You might have noticed that the Gerrit patch from above has now been deployed on the live cluster. The logo is available in regular size as well as 1.5x size and 2x size for HiDPI displays. odder (talk) 21:07, 21 June 2017 (UTC)
Yes, I mentioned it in the task. Thank you again! --Amir E. Aharoni (talk) 06:50, 22 June 2017 (UTC)


Hey Odder, can you please deal with User_talk:Jameslwoodward#File:Lobby_of_the_Ynaggakdo_Hotel_Pyongyang.2C_DPRK_.2811957528203.29.jpg. Thanks 15:57, 28 June 2017 (UTC)

For future reference, this has now been dealt with. odder (talk) 21:23, 28 June 2017 (UTC)
Thanks Farchering (talk) 06:17, 2 July 2017 (UTC)

OS request, new attempt[edit]

Hi there. Given the circumstances we have now, including mass administrative vandalism, it should be at the latest now clear that the comment by me which lead to my block in October was fully justified, so I am once again seeking to have the block comment oversighted and not just rervdel'ed. They should be actually an apology by Revent, but I don't think they're mellow enough to do it, and they seem not to be currently active anyway. So I just want to have my block log clear again. Thanks very much. --A.Savin 13:32, 11 August 2017 (UTC)

Though "deleted Category:Donald Trump (Nonsense)" is an action most of the civilised world wish they could do :-) -- Colin (talk) 14:05, 11 August 2017 (UTC)
Hi @A.Savin: I'm really sorry to say that I do not think we can use suppression in this situation, as it would not be an acceptable use of the function under the current oversight policy which, as you know, we are bound by. I totally understand that you disagree with the block and wish it wouldn't be visible in your block log at all, but I don't think that oversight is the tool to use here. I will, however, pass on your request to the other oversighters to see what they think, and will get back to you as soon as I can, which might take a while, as I'm about to go on holiday in a few days' time. Have a great weekend, odder (talk) 18:08, 11 August 2017 (UTC)
@A.Savin: Unfortunately, I have been in the midst of much drama these last couple of months, that has left me largely offline (I am actually typing this on my phone). I would say, that still think that you (unfortunatly) still misunderstand why I blocked you... it was not a matter of if you were 'right', or not, in your comments (I would not personally argue that you were wrong) but that you persisted in following INC from one page to another to continue to push the issue, after being repeatedly asked to stop. You had already 'won' the point you were trying to make, but kept on about it to the degree that INC clearly (and I think somewhat legitimately) felt harassed, and it was my opinion (and that of other admins) that if you kept pushing it there was an imminent danger of exacerbating the the state of distress he was clearly in at that moment, and reason to believe that doing so might put him at risk of physical harm. I don't think that the evidence of his other misbehavior has anything to do with that. I don't have any problem with the block being hidden, was not intended to stop you from editing in general, but instead simply to make you leave him alone at that particular moment. - Reventtalk 08:40, 13 August 2017 (UTC)
I would add, though, that it is IMO clearly not covered by the oversight policy. I have no objection to it being simply deleted from the logs, though... I just deleted as much as is possible without actually using oversight. - Reventtalk 08:58, 13 August 2017 (UTC)
I am glad to see Revent is ashamed of his block enough to delete it from the logs. But he is unable to admit his mistake and bad attitude at the time and so above we see so much self-rationalising bullshit. The events occurred (see here) when INC repeatedly insulted A.Savin and this caused A.Savin to go to ANU. Several admins criticised INC but nobody did anything about it so A.Savin wasn't happy that was sufficient and felt a block was in order. It is A.Savin who felt harassed (remember it was INC who instigated the issue by repeated insulting A.Savin) yet Revent paints the opposite above. A.Savin's comments at 21:03, 30 September 2016 proved to be exactly predictory of what we saw the other day.
I have often said Commons is dreadful at dealing with the "angry customer" situation. In this case A.Savin is the "angry customer" and his fellow admins at AN/U should have been playing the role of helpful customer service. So we're in a position where A.Savin feels INC should have been blocked for his attack (and it was an attack) on A.Savin's reputation. Then INC resigns his tools. The pouring petrol on the fire moment was not A.Savin's comment (for which he got blocked) but Christian Ferrer's comment (see here) where INC is told to take a break and "No matter what some may say, you are able to correct your mistakes, you have already shown. I trust you, you need just time you want, please remove this request and wait.". This is the statement that quite understandably is too much for A.Savin. Is this really consider that this is something A.Savin has no right to comment on? That someone who has just attacked him repeatedly at an RFA is then told "I trust you" and given yet another and another chance to retain their bit? Pleading with them to stay on as an admin after just being involved in making repeated personal attacks against other? So A.Savin's comment to that is quite mild. Certainly not blockworthy. And certainly nothing to do with mental health issues -- merely a statement of fact that INC behaviour on commons is highly changeable and this is a problem. Yet Revent claims "You used a mental issue as a 'weapon' against him". This is false and a frequent game for Revent despite permitting his friends to use mental health insults and using mental health as a joke himsef. The comments at A.Savin's talk page demonstrate clearly how Revent can work himself up into a view of a situation where no rational argument can change his mind. He just digs deeper and deeper into his own version of events. The line "You then followed him to BN, to respond in a thread where you were not mentioned, to comment on him." is so grossly unfair and distortion of reasonable description of events that Revent should be ashamed he made it. If anyone had a right to reply to Christian's foolish "please say, we trust you" comments, it was A.Savin.
I believe the block was grossly unfair. In the situation where INC was resigning, if Christian felt he should pass on an encouraging message to INC, he should have done so privately. But he did so publicly and this petrol on the fire was justifiably too much for A.Savin. That he got blocked by Revent under cooked-up nonsense about A.Savin & mental health, and false claims of "following" or "taunting", demonstrates further Revent's unsuitabliliy for adminship. If he truly felt INC was "at risk of physical harm" then Revent needs to take a training course. He could, for example, have expressed his concerns to A.Savin privately, asking him to stop for 12 hours and promising to deal with it after a cool down. Or he could have left a neutral comment at the BN requesting all parties desist now and go cool off for a period. But he didn't and himself poured petrol on the fire by blocking the "angry customer" and continuing the argument on A.Savin's talk page -- escalating rather than cooling the situation. When that happens, "customer service" shows it is incompetent. I hope Revent's wikibreak continues for a long time. -- Colin (talk) 10:34, 13 August 2017 (UTC)
Of course the OS policy allow it to hide private information, and claims of harassment ARE private information i.e. nobody's business, especially when they are untrue. And even if you dear oversighters would hide a log entry that is for some reason not considered within OS policy, I wonder if this is actually such a big deal that you have to fear any sanctions for it. So, sorry, all that claims about missing OS policy are bullshit to say the least.
I'd like to add that even in that comment that led to the block, I didn't attack INC personally but only said that INC with sysop tools is problematic. As you might guess, before recent events, I had even so much AGF for INC that I had some hope he would return recovered some day and really no more request sysop tools, just work productively as a normal user, like many thousands of other long-term active commoners, wikipedians etc. who do hundreds of thousands of edits and never in their life apply for higher positions. Unfortunately, there was this mass vandalism action by "Daphne Lantier" and I noticed that my userpage was one of just two userpages which were vandalized - the other one was Josve's page which is maybe somewhat logical because Josve initiated the CU investigation and INC may have wished to revenge on him this way. But why particularly my userpage??, given that I didn't actually have any conflicts with "Daphne Lantier", nor even with INC after his latest resignation. So, this is actually concerning the question "who is harassing who". --A.Savin 15:08, 13 August 2017 (UTC)
@A.Savin: I understand that you are disappointed and upset about having your account blocked by @Revent, however I also think that your description of my hesitance to use suppression to hide your block log as "bullshit" and your sarcastic use of the phrase "dear oversighters" are unnecessary, unhelpful, and unfair. The oversight policy can only be used in very limited circumstances, in practice only to hide non-public private information, potentially libellous content and blatant attack names and I'm afraid your situation meets none of these criteria. While I understand that you might consider the reason used in Revent's block of your account as "untrue", and that other contributors might also reasonably find that block mistaken and misplaced, that reason (ie. the block description) is in no way private information, and certainly not under the definition used by the Commons oversight team, and as such I'm afraid we would be unable to act in this case. If you still disagree with our/my assessment, then the appellate body which can review it is the Ombudsman commission; while I understand that they would normally deal with alleged violations of the oversight policy, I'm sure they would also happily look into a refusal to act as well. odder (talk) 17:22, 16 August 2017 (UTC)
Only really back online with an actual computer today (break, vacation, move, hurricane and flood in the middle of the move, having to replace my computer) but had seen the ping about this a while back, and was pondering if I should even reply, as re-litigating an issue from a year ago is rather pointless. I am not, as Colin claims, 'ashamed' of my actions... I deleted the block as a courtesy (as the admin who placed it) because it is, truly, not oversightable, yet I can understand him being upset about it in his history. As it is deleted, though, the complaints about it are rather moot unless someone wants to try to have me sanctioned for placing it in the first place... since it was a year ago, however, that seems unlikely. The simple facts, however, are that the above statements do not link the actual comments that caused me to impose the block, I had stated on IRC (in the presence of several other admins) that if A.Savin continued the behavior that was ongoing that I would block him for a short time, and as far as I know there have been no objections to the block by any administrator other than A.Savin himself. Colin, simply fails to understand the issue... his comments about me needing to 'take a training course' or something are pure speculation, as he has no idea of what experience I personally have with such matters. (His claim that I used mental health as a joke is spurious... I explained at the time that while the term I used is 'slang' for a mental health condition, that the literal meaning of the term is what I meant, and even explained 'why' I would be using it in the literal sense). I tried at the time, and am still attempting, to avoid discussing publicly exactly what I saw in the behavior of INC at the time that made me feel it was important to stop A.Savin from interacting with him at that moment, as while it was based on statements that INC had made about himself there is a significant privacy concern (and I am referring not to WMF policies, but to a specific US law) that prevents me from explaining the exact issue (and makes trying to allude to it rather cumbersome). I am, simply, unwilling to explain the matter in a way that would, while making it precisely clear, result in me violating INC's right to privacy. I also realize the certain people are unlikely to accept my statements here... my response is 'meh'. If the community as a whole has a problem with my actions I am willing to step down, but the vehement opposition of a small minority is, frankly, something that should be expected. - Reventtalk 06:57, 15 October 2017 (UTC)
Why is it no surprise to me that (supposedly) information available only to those who engage at IRC is now claimed to be pertient. Yet this was not mentioned before, not in the block, and if such information is not published for all to see, then as far as I am concerned, it is not relevant. There is a reason why this wiki keeps a record of interactions, and is reluctant to delete records. Yet on IRC, all sorts of misdeeds can occur, and evidence claimed for and refused to be presented. Revent I know what you have said about be on IRC. I know how you have laughed when others have attacked me, making mental health jibes, that you enjoy and so refuse to block others for it. I know this. You are two faced. What you claim above, I trust not one bit. I don't believe you are a truthful person. I have explained why your block is wrong -- A.Savin was totally entitled to respond to Christian's foolish words. Regardless of what may or may not have been warned on IRC, that is irrelevant. Admins should stick to using IRC for technical requests. Discussions, positive and negative, of users behaviour, particularly leading up to a block, absolutely belongs in-the-community on-Commons. Stay away Revent. Please. You are crap with people. -- Colin (talk) 09:20, 15 October 2017 (UTC)
Two further points for Revent and other admins. Blocks for "intimidation/harassment" are legally extremely unwise unless you are jolly sure that is what is occurring. Revent knows what harassment looks like, because he's had to write to me in his role at Oversite when myself and several others were harassed last December. Merely persistently defending oneself online, as A.Savin did, and persistently requesting an admin lose their bit for once again behaving outrageously, is not "intimidation/harassment". In my view, Revent has libelled himself, and this is something more admins should be aware of their risk when choosing their block rationales. Secondly, the responsibility for concern over a user in any crisis rests with WMF. See Support and Safety team. There are emergency mail lists to contact if there is an urgent concern, and admins are advised to make use of that. We see above the mess that occurs when an amateur blunders about blocking random users. The user who should have been blocked in that situation, is INC, to protect not only himself, but others. The only minority here, Revent, is the minority-of-one who claim you did anything right that day. I have not seen anyone come to your defence, nor do I expect to since they would be in danger of the same legal risk. The block didn't and doesn't have any community support. Let's have an end to bulling admins using "harassment" as a block rationale when they find themselves in a disagreement. -- Colin (talk) 13:07, 15 October 2017 (UTC)

Prośba o zablokowanie anonimowego nazisty z Niemiec[edit]

Ten/ta IP wprowadza podwójne standardy dotyczące miast na Warmii i Mazurach tworząc nowe kategorie dla tych miast pod nazwami niemieckimi omijając przekierowania. Proszę zobaczyć do jakiego stopnia rozwinął Prusy Wschodnie ... a miały być przecież tylko flagi i herby a teraz są tam nawet nieruchomości współcześnie istniejące. Wewnątrz "wschodniopruskich kategorii" zostały wstawione kategorie obejmujące nawet wyłącznie współczesne polskie pliki !. Inni niemieccy (ups chyba nie niemieccy, bo Niemcy to przecież ludzie kultury i sztuki, wybitnie utalentowani w zakresie orkiestr i kuchni polowych / sorry taka mała dygresja) zaczęli wstawiać do kategorii polskich miast kompletne niemieckie kreisy urodzone na wesołej "twórczości usera "Thoma". Czy słyszał pan kiedyś o czymś takim jak "Białoruski gotyk w Polsce" ? - ja nie ... a na commons taki fake egzystuje od 2015. Kodeń znajdował się w woj. podlaskim włączonym po Unii Lubelskiej do Korony a Supraśl znajdował się w woj. trockim ... to jest gotyk tyle że późny tzw. "mazowiecki" ... czyli była to Litwa lecz nigdy Białoruś. Kategorię utworzył oczywiście mądrala .... z Niemiec user "Ulamm". Dotyczy to także "Białoruski gotyk w Litwie". Kamieniem węgielnym tego architektonicznego dynamitu są strasznie kontrowersyjne "artykuły" na de/be/en wiki [3] podkreślam że nigdy nie był to obszar Białorusi. Na koniec proszę żeby wziął Pan do swoich obserwowanych moje zrevertowane edycje dotyczące byłych i niestniejących Prus Wschodnich. Dziękuje z góry i pozdrawiam. 23:02, 4 September 2017 (UTC)

Bardzo mi przykro, ale niestety jak widać z historii dyskusji użytkownika Tohma, pomimo wielokrotnego zwracania uwagi na tę kwestię na przestrzeni ostatnich pięciu (!) lat, @Tohm w dalszym ciągu sukcesywnie kontynuuje swoją rewizjonistyczną politykę, kategoryzując budynki znajdujące się w dzisiejszych granicach Polski w ramach drzewa kategorii dla budynków niemieckich. Skoro nie udało mi/nam przekonać go w tamtej sprawie, niestety nie widzę możliwości przekonania go również w tej kwestii, gdyż najwidoczniej fakty mają tutaj bardzo małe znaczenie (por. alternative facts). Tohma wykazuje się ogromnym zapałem w tej sprawie, a z racji braku czasu ja niestety nie jestem w stanie nadążać za jego edycjami i odkręcać wszystkie z nich na bieżąco.
Czasami w świecie Wikimedia "zwyciężają" nie fakty historyczne, tylko osoby, które mogą w danej kwestii poświęcić więcej czasu i dokonać więcej edycji, co niestety, jak się wydaje, ma również miejsce w tej sytuacji, szczególnie że jest ona mało popularna. Dodatkowo, niestety w tej chwili nie mam wystarczająco czasu (a zwłaszcza ochoty), aby wdawać się w wojny edycyjne i pyskówki z anonimami w internecie, więc z mojej strony całą tą sprawę w tym momencie odpuszczę. odder (talk) 13:56, 7 September 2017 (UTC)

File:Royal Banner of Scotland.svg[edit]

Apparently you were the original uploader of the JPG source file of this Royal Banner of Scotland, with a GFDL license, in 2006. Do you happen to remember to remember whether you created it, or what the original source was? Thank you. Tom-L (talk) 13:12, 9 September 2017 (UTC)

Hi @Tom-L, thank you for your message. I had to do some research on that file, and it looks like I moved the original JPG from the German Wikipedia, where it was originally uploaded by Crabbit (whom I quoted as the author when moving the file to Commons). It appears that it was first added to the article on Scotland in this edit on 27 October 2004, which would explain why there is no upload log for it. Unfortunately Crabbit has been inactive since September 2007, and not being an admin on the German Wikipedia I cannot see the deleted page revisions for that file, so you might want to do some more digging to confirm all of this. Still, I hope this information will be useful to you. Thank you, odder (talk) 09:22, 10 September 2017 (UTC)

Commons:Administrators/Inactivity section/Aug-Sep 2017[edit]

Please help remove the admin rights of those who haven't signed on this section, thanks. --B dash (talk) 10:00, 29 September 2017 (UTC)

I'll do that tonight, thank you for the reminder, @B dash. odder (talk) 11:50, 29 September 2017 (UTC)
You're welcome Face-smile.svg. --B dash (talk) 12:14, 29 September 2017 (UTC)


Mail Artix Kreiger (talk) 17:20, 19 October 2017 (UTC)

Please be more articulate next time, @Artix Kreiger. odder (talk) 18:58, 19 October 2017 (UTC)

File:Cheetahs on the Edge (Director's Cut).ogv[edit]

Hi. I understand from my Vimeo app that the license for this file has changed to a CC-BY-ND one and that we can keep it, but how do you see the exact license on their website?   — Jeff G. ツ 13:11, 12 November 2017 (UTC)

@Jeff: I don't see any indication of licencing on that web page whatsoever, so it's not immediately clear to me that the licence has changed, but even if it has, as you say, the file was released under CC BY 3.0 at the time of upload, and as Creative Commons licences are irrevocable, we're fine keeping it. odder (talk) 17:49, 12 November 2017 (UTC)

Św. Kinga (nie Matejki)[edit]

Witaj, Odder! W audycji Radia Kraków Wielka Sztuka Małopolski pani redaktor, historyk sztuki, opowiada o obrazie Jana Matejki i o tym, że w internecie krąży błędnie przypisywana Matejce późniejsza i słabsza kopia obrazu (jest o tym i na stronie audycji, i w samej audycji, czas 09:15-10:03). Niestety, jest ta kopia i tutaj. Czy dałoby się coś z tym zrobić? Pozdrawiam, --Volodymyr D-k (talk) 06:55, 5 December 2017 (UTC)

@Volodymyr D-k: Dzięki za wiadomość. Moim zdaniem możemy bez problemu zmienić nazwę tego pliku i opis podany na stronie pliku. Najważniejsze pytanie brzmi, czy wiemy, kto namalował tę kopię? Jeżeli ta kopia została namalowana w XX wieku, to jest duża szansa, że w dalszym ciągu jest przedmiotem prawa autorskiego, a zatem musiałaby zostać usunięta z Commons. odder (talk) 18:33, 5 December 2017 (UTC)
Porozmawiałem z kilkoma znajomymi historykami sztuki. Powiedzieli, że ustalenie autorstwa kopii raczej nie będzie zbyt łatwe. Osobiście nie sądzę, żeby ten obraz wciąż był przedmiotem prawa autorskiego, ale pewności nie mam. Pozdrawiam, Volodymyr D-k (talk) 15:45, 9 December 2017 (UTC).
@Volodymyr D-k: W takim wypadku wydaje mi się, że mamy tylko dwa wyjścia: usunięcie tego pliku jako pochodzącego z nieznanego źródła i utworzonego przez nieznanego autora lub zmianę nazwy i opisu na jasno mówiące o tym, że jest to kopia oryginalnego obrazu Matejki. Z tego, co widzę, to ten plik nie jest używany w żadnym projekcie Wikimedia, więc moim zdaniem usunięcie go nie byłoby zbyt dużym problemem. odder (talk) 20:19, 9 December 2017 (UTC)

Update: File:Standard time zones of the world.png[edit]


The File:Standard time zones of the world.png you last uploaded on 19 September 2016, needs to be updated to reflect the latest changes as of November 2017, because both Sudan and Namibia have changed their time zone to UTC+2 on 1 November and on 8 August 2017 respectively (and Namibia also abolished DST), and Northern Cyprus reverted back to UTC+2 (and uses DST again) on 29 October 2017.


Thank you. 11:15, 24 December 2017 (UTC)

Hi Anonymous, thank you for the message. To be quite frank, I dare not touch that file as it would take me a great amount of time to make the changes you described; indeed, I feel this is the main disadvantage to using a raster file instead of a vector one as it would take seconds to update the vector version of that map.
If you're reading this (or if anyone else is interested in this subject), then I think we ought to replace the PNG file with the SVG version globally, and as soon as possible, as vector graphics are clearly superior and allow easy modifications which would be hugely advantageous in this particular case. odder (talk) 23:14, 27 December 2017 (UTC)
Thank you for your reply and advice. I have one last request if you are interested.
Cany put in the Wikipedia articles the up to date file File:DEC31 World Time Zones.png whose title is not restricted according to a certain year, because many Wikipedia articles are using files that are restricted to a certain year and therefore are obsolete (unless these articles indicate the year of these files).
Here are the files that need to be replaced with the above mentioned file:
The reason I requested this because I live in Turkey, and Wikipedia is completely banned and blocked in Turkey by the Turkish government. If I lived in another country I could have replaced these files myself.
Thank you. 15:32, 1 January 2018 (UTC)
It looks like a few of the files you linked above have now been nominated for deletion, so I think we ought to wait until the community makes a decision whether to keep them or not. As I said earlier, I would rather create an up-to-date SVG and use it globally instead of continuing with raster versions as vector files are much more easier to edit and update; I think this is a good opportunity to do so. odder (talk) 22:29, 3 January 2018 (UTC)


Choinka plac Zamkowy 2011.jpg Christmas Card
Wesołych Świąt Artix Kreiger (talk) 17:38, 24 December 2017 (UTC)
Wow, thanks for the kind wishes, @Artix Kreiger — I hope you had a great Christmas! odder (talk) 21:04, 26 December 2017 (UTC)

Happy holidays! 2018! ;)[edit]

December 25 at 1 am 2017, Québec City Limoilou, Canadá 04.jpg * Happy Holidays 2018, Odder! *
  • ¡Feliz Navidad y próspero año nuevo!

--The Photographer 18:13, 28 December 2017 (UTC)

@The Photographer: ¡Gracias! Mis mejores deseos para el 2018 para usted y sus seres queridos :-) ¡Cuidate! odder (talk) 22:14, 28 December 2017 (UTC)
You are welcome google translator, Thanks my friend XD !--The Photographer 01:41, 29 December 2017 (UTC)

MOTD desc in pl[edit]

Hello Odder, I managed to cut a drone video of a tomorrow-to-be-demolished heritage building just in time to get it as MOTD tomorrow. As you are my native Polish speaker of choice, could you possibly add a Polish file description? You can find it here: Template:Motd/2018-01-08. Thank you so much …--Elya (talk) 14:47, 7 January 2018 (UTC)

Hi @Elya, es is schon fertig. It's a shame that the government have allowed this to happen :-( odder (talk) 19:53, 7 January 2018 (UTC)
Yeah, the mining eats whole villages, woods and cultural heritage. Thank you! --Elya (talk) 20:08, 7 January 2018 (UTC)


You have uploaded wrong urwiktionary logo. Can you please re-upload this logo using string "ویکی لغت". Thanks.Bukhari Talk 09:35, 9 January 2018 (UTC)

@BukhariSaeed: I don't speak Urdu, so I'm not in a position to make any decisions here myself. I understand you're talking about the name of the project in Urdu, is this correct? If so, then the text in the logo was copied from this page on Meta. If you'd like the logo to be updated, then please gain appropriate community consensus to do so and open a new request on Phabricator and someone (likely me) will assist you. (CC @Nemo_bis). odder (talk) 13:15, 9 January 2018 (UTC)
The correct string is "ویکی لغت" and you used "ویکشنری". Currently we are using namespace "ویکی لغت". Thanks Bukhari Talk 08:29, 19 January 2018 (UTC)
@BukhariSaeed: I would be quite happy to help you update the logo, however there is a process that we follow in these cases, and it requires achieving community consensus before a logo is changed. Please start a discussion on the Urdu Wiktionary requesting that your logo be updated, open a new request on Phabricator, add me as the assignee of the task, and I'll get to it as soon as I can. Thanks again, odder (talk) 20:17, 19 January 2018 (UTC)
Ok, when i start consensus i'll inform you :) Bukhari Talk 04:00, 25 January 2018 (UTC)
Odder me don't have our own wikibooks logo, we are using english logo :(. Currently we are using namespace "وکی کتب" Bukhari Talk 04:06, 25 January 2018 (UTC)
@BukhariSaeed: Apologies about the delay. I've just uploaded Wikibooks-logo-ur.svg, how does it look to you? odder (talk) 18:37, 29 January 2018 (UTC)
Thanks so much! its so nice. Can you please make logo for wikidata (ویکی ڈیٹا) and Wikisource (ویکی ماخذ, our request) Bukhari Talk 02:51, 30 January 2018 (UTC)
@BukhariSaeed: I uploaded a logo for Wikisource as File:Wikisource-logo-ur.svg, but I'm unsure what you mean regarding a localised logo for Wikidata, as that project appears to only use a logo in English. I hope the Wikisource logo looks fine; let me know if it doesn't! :) odder (talk) 22:12, 1 February 2018 (UTC)
The Wikisource logo is outstanding thanks alot. But arabic (language mode) wikidata has its own logo you can check. Bukhari Talk 11:59, 2 February 2018 (UTC)
@BukhariSaeed: See File:Wikidata-logo-ur.svg for an Urdu version of the Wikidata logo. I used the Nazli font in bold, I hope it looks OK. odder (talk) 23:00, 2 February 2018 (UTC)
It looks so nice but “ڈیٹا” (data) is not correct can you please correct “ڈی‌ٹ”, its not correct and you should use correct text ڈیٹا. Please use Jameel Noori Nastaleeq font (its good font) (ویکی ڈیٹا). Thanks in advance . :) and Thanks for uploading urdu wikis logo you are so nice.Bukhari Talk 02:09, 3 February 2018 (UTC)
@BukhariSaeed: As far as I can see, Jameel Noori Nastaleeq is not confirmed to have been released under a free licence (although it's available no cost), so I'm afraid I can't use it in the logo. I'm having some trouble with the Nazli font; too: I tried writing "ڈیٹا", but the first characters were somehow changed to "ی‌ٹ" instead of "یٹا" and I can't tell why that is. I re-drew the logo using Nafees Nastaleeq, can you see if it looks OK now? odder (talk) 00:38, 4 February 2018 (UTC)

Yes its so nice Thanks. Can you please make logo for other Urdu language Wikimedia projects if you have time?Bukhari Talk 03:32, 4 February 2018 (UTC)


You said that "community consensus needed for urwiktionary logo (ویکی لغت)", but i think consensus is not needed for current namespace "وکی لغت", please make logo for "وکی لغت" (beacause وکشنری [ svg too ] is not our namespace you can check. Thanks :) Bukhari Talk 07:03, 5 February 2018 (UTC)
@BukhariSaeed: Apologies for the lack of response. I saw your message but I'm currently really busy in real life; I'll try to draw the logo on Tuesday. Please stay tuned. odder (talk) 12:22, 11 February 2018 (UTC)
Ok :) Bukhari Talk 09:53, 12 February 2018 (UTC)
@BukhariSaeed: Thanks; I updated File:Wiktionary-logo-ur.svg with your text and also changed the font to Nafees Web Naksh; can you check if it looks OK? odder (talk) 12:49, 13 February 2018 (UTC)
Thank you so much (todah rabah). It is so good. :) Bukhari Talk 12:52, 13 February 2018 (UTC)
Please reupload File:Wiktionary-logo-ur.png too. Bukhari Talk 15:28, 13 February 2018 (UTC)
@BukhariSaeed: It was my intention all along; I just had to go offline for a couple of hours :-) I also created a Phabricator task and uploaded a Gerrit patch to update the logo in the configuration file, so as soon as it's accepted, you'll see the new version of the logo on your wiki. odder (talk) 16:44, 13 February 2018 (UTC)
Thanks :) — Bukhari (Talk!) 16:48, 13 February 2018 (UTC)


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Please remember to respond to and – if appropriate – contradict the arguments supporting deletion. Arguments which focus on the nominator will not affect the result of the nomination. Thank you!

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مھتاب احمد (talk) 16:34, 29 January 2018 (UTC)

@مھتاب احمد: I went ahead and closed your nomination, as the file does not need to be deleted to make the changes you wish. See my comment there for more detail and please write back when the Sindhi Wikipedia community arrives at a consensus to change the logo. I will then be able to assist you in updating the logo here on Commons and in the Foundation's Git repository so that you can see the new logo on your wiki. Thank you, odder (talk) 17:39, 29 January 2018 (UTC)
@مھتاب احمد: I saw the update on Phabricator so I moved File:Wikipedia-logo sindhi v2-sd.svg over to File:Wikipedia-logo-v2-sd.svg. I believe Martin (Urbanecm) will assist you with updating the logo in the Gerrit repository in near future. odder (talk) 20:53, 4 February 2018 (UTC)
@Odder: Thank you.--مھتاب احمد (talk) 05:16, 5 February 2018 (UTC)



Any chance that you could some of your logo magic for li.wikipedia?

Not urgent at all.

Thanks! --Amir E. Aharoni (talk) 18:36, 7 February 2018 (UTC)

@Amir E. Aharoni: Hang on, are you telling me I'm a wizard? Wink(16px).svg odder (talk) 19:38, 7 February 2018 (UTC)
I'm so bad with graphics software that I consider anybody who is able to do something there a wizard.
(I did create a logo or two for some Wikipedias in small languages, but they suck, and you do it far better.) --Amir E. Aharoni (talk) 16:48, 25 February 2018 (UTC)
@Amir E. Aharoni: Well, thanks ;) As you can see, the logo has been ready for almost 5 years now, so I guess it can be submitted to Gerrit at your leisure. I do remember the Limburgish Wikipedia community were reluctant to update the logo—I think they preferred the "old" globe shape—but if that's solved, then I would be very happy to see the logo updated at last (and also happy to help with submitting a Gerrit patch to that effect, too). odder (talk) 19:55, 25 February 2018 (UTC)
Do you happen to know whether this is also the case with File:Wikipedia-logo-v2-pcd.svg and File:Wikipedia-logo-v2-zea.svg? --Amir E. Aharoni (talk) 19:31, 6 March 2018 (UTC)
Amir E. Aharoni: Unfortunately not; I drew these logos in 2012 and 2013 as part of a push towards a wider roll-out of the version 2 logo (together with @Nemo_bis) and I can't recall if there were any issues with the Picardic or Zeeland Wikipedias. However, as far as I see, the Picardic Wikipedia at least appears to be quite open to using the new logo. odder (talk) 21:13, 6 March 2018 (UTC)
One down: w:pcd:Discussion utilisateur:Geoleplubo#Wikipedia globe logo. Will you submit the patch? --Amir E. Aharoni (talk) 12:34, 7 March 2018 (UTC)
@Amir E. Aharoni: I uploaded patch #416939 to Gerrit and scheduled it for deployment tonight between 18:00-19:00 UTC. I'll submit another patch for the Zeeland Wikipedia logo once you've heard back from them (thanks for that :) odder (talk) 14:02, 7 March 2018 (UTC)
Note that on w:zea:Special:Preferences you see the modern logo. Maybe because the preferences page neutralizes local customizations, but what is the local customization here exactly? Perhaps the local wiki.png file should be deleted? I never understood how do these files work very well. --Amir E. Aharoni (talk) 14:06, 7 March 2018 (UTC)
@Amir E. Aharoni: Oh, yes, you're right. They have been overwriting the logo using CSS since 1 December 2008 — possibly because it was quite difficult to get the logo updated (using SVN) back then? We have subsequently updated their logo through Phabricator task #T180338 but the CSS trick has stayed in place for some reason, and it will require local community consensus to have it removed. This will likely take time, but at least there is no need to submit any Gerrit patches :-) odder (talk) 14:25, 7 March 2018 (UTC)
@Amir E. Aharoni (and others, in case anyone is interested): This has now been deployed on the production cluster and should be live on both wikis. odder (talk) 19:42, 7 March 2018 (UTC)

Your block of User:Dr. Bernd Gross[edit]

Dear Odder, you blocked the de-based user Bernd Gross [4] on 17 March 2017:

08:13, 21 March 2017 Odder (talk | contribs) changed block settings for Dr. Bernd Gross (talk | contribs) with an expiration time of indefinite (account creation blocked, cannot edit own talk page) (Banned from Wikimedia Commons by the oversight team, with approval from SuSa and Legal)

Being asked on German wikipedia Bernd says that he does not know the reason. He says he arround asked but did not get a reply [5].

On German wikipedia he has never been a pain yet [6].

Could you please explain? Thank you! -- Heimkinderverband (talk) 16:36, 22 February 2018 (UTC)

@Heimkinderverband: This was previously discussed in detail at the administrators' noticeboard and I have nothing to add on this subject at this time. odder (talk) 17:24, 22 February 2018 (UTC)

No. More. Old. Puzzle. Globe.[edit]

That's it.

li, zea, map-bms, pcd, ur - all of them have the new logo now.

Took only eight years :)

Enormous thanks for your work. --Amir E. Aharoni (talk) 19:51, 12 March 2018 (UTC)

Still some not-so-high-res logos[edit]


I still see logos that look not-high-res to me at a bunch of languages. There's an asterisk * near those about which I am not sure.

--Amir E. Aharoni (talk) 19:51, 12 March 2018 (UTC)

@Amir E. Aharoni: I've taken care of some of the logos—and added you as a reviewer for those patches on Gerrit, so check your e-mail—and also marked other logos that either require a translation from English or the existing translation needs to be checked. The Cebuano (ceb) Wikipedia logo looks OK (we have and use the 1.5x and 2x logos) and the Turkish (tr) Wikipedia overwrite the logo from /static locally, so we'll just have to remember to remove this rule from their Common.css once the protest (if that's what it is?) ends. The other logos are more complicated.
The Assamese (as), Kashmiri (ks) and Gujarati (gu) Wikipedia logos are PNG files pasted into SVG, so will all need to be re-created from scratch. The Aramaic (arc), Gothic (got) and Sepedic (nso) Wikipedia logos will also need to be created from scratch in vector versions, which is also the case for the Gan Chinese (gan) Wikipedia logo, as the PNG version currently in use on the project differs very significantly from the SVG version I created in 2013. And lastly, you are quire right about the Armenian (hy) Wikipedia logo — the globe in the logo is too large, but we have an SVG version for it so it should be quite easy to fix from a technical perspective. However, the bigger globe shape is the result of Gerrit patch #366545 submitted by @Ladsgroup so I'm guessing changing it back will require at least some sort of community consensus from the Armenian Wikipedia community, Wikimedia Armenia or at least @Ladsgroup himself. odder (talk) 19:10, 13 March 2018 (UTC)
Have you already asked anybody for translation of other logos? Or should I? --Amir E. Aharoni (talk) 19:46, 14 March 2018 (UTC)
@Amir E. Aharoni: As this all happened in 2012 and 2013, I don't recall all the details, particularly as it was @Nemo who took care of communication with the wikis, and I was just a trained monkey with Inkscape :-) There is some detail at User_talk:Nemo_bis/Wikipedia, but I do believe Nemo at least attempted to contact those Wikipedias where no translation could be found. I would appreciate it if you contacted at least some of those projects; I do believe you have contacts at the Xhosa and Zulu Wikipedias at least, so having translations for at least those two logos would be helpful (and, as you can see, most of those Wikipedias are in African languages). odder (talk) 11:09, 15 March 2018 (UTC)
Yes, I always wrote to the local wikis. Usually at least the village pump (or main page talk or other prominent page where no village pump was available), File_talk:Wiki.png, some administrator and the most active users per WikiStats (example). --Nemo 14:37, 17 March 2018 (UTC)

Spelling of 'The Free Encyclopedia'[edit]

Hi there. I recently uploaded a new logo for the Low Saxon Wikipedia on Bestaand:Wiki.png. I heard that admins/bureaucrats could no longer change the logos themselves. Since our project doesn't have a large number of contributors, I primarily translate the system messages on myself and I update the Wikipedia logo when necessary. Low Saxon does not (yet) have a standardised orthography, so we came up with a spelling system for the Low Saxon part of the Netherlands as a whole in 2011 (instead of 10-15 different spelling systems for each region in the Netherlands). Last year we started developing a new spelling system for both the Netherlands and Germany (most members of our team have followed a linguistic study), so we are currently implementing that on the Low Saxon Wikipedia. Since a logo change demands a discussion/consensus on the local wiki, I have started a thread on that, before requesting a change in the project's logo. When the logo has been updated I will change the text on User:Cbrown1023/Logos. Servien (talk) 15:05, 14 March 2018 (UTC)

@Servien: Thank you for the information. I don't think I'll be able to follow the progress of your discussion, so could you please let me know once it's finished? I'll happily update the two high-density logos with the new translation for you. odder (talk) 10:55, 15 March 2018 (UTC)
The active users on nds-nl.wikipedia have all agreed that the logo should be changed to "Wikipedia / De vrye encyklopedy". Yesterday I submitted the request on Phabricator. If you could update the logo for, that would be great! Servien (talk) 09:57, 20 March 2018 (UTC)
@Servien: Sure thing! I updated the logo at File:Wikipedia-logo-v2-nds-nl.svg and uploaded it to the Foundation's Git configuration repository as Gerrit patch #420934. There were some operational problems tonight so the patch couldn't be deployed; the logo will be updated for you tomorrow night instead, shortly after 23:01 UTC or 00:01 on 22 March CET. odder (talk) 23:49, 20 March 2018 (UTC)