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Embargo.




All uploads.



Being blocked because some genius cannot sign their own name and refuses to, and some admin blocks me because they want to name-call as if it were some kind of problem solving revelation is an unacceptable working environment. No further work will be uploaded to commons, except (just maybe) awards and human rights work. For other stuff, try the few if any remaining artists, or maybe this place they do some simple stuff free, probably two or three pics before they get wise. For work of this quality, good luck finding anyone willing to do it for less than four figures, let alone for free. Even this logo Penapplelogo.png, which I made in ten minutes for the sole purpose of saying how easy to make, and crappy, this apple logo is Apple iOS.svg, is worth $150 (or $900 on a standard hourly rate). So have yourselves a fun time and a lovely little consensus that 'everything can't be done, can't be drawn, and is impossible'. example, example. Eventually you can just steal work from the Internet like on en.wiki, on the premise that there is nobody who can draw free CGI images. Have to steal this because nobody can draw space stations. "Replaceable ? Not with a free image" it says. Free space station 1, Free space station 2, free satellite. Drive all the artists away to make "not replaceable with a free image" a reality. As a community, commons, like en.wiki can't regulate itself. I have better things to do with my friends and spare time than put up with this shit. The embargo will only be reviewed after that admin's next de-sysop discussion, if at all. Penyulap 07:07, 16 July 2013 (UTC)


other stuff

The direct INVOLVED behaviour of ‎MichaelMaggs who created this escalation and is named in the original complaint is, I believe, an absolutely transparent distortion of the community consensus reached at ANU. I believe this escalation is a deliberate trolling of Ottava to make him upset and use THAT as justification, rather than any pre-existing misbehaviour. Walter Siegmund makes that perfectly clear by using Ottava's response AS justification, rather than any pre-existing misbehaviour. Could you people be any more blatant and drag down commons public reputation if you tried ? I don't think so. In my opinion, Ottava's behaviour, given the circumstances, is well above average. This level of misbehaviour by a bureaucrat would be difficult for any editor to cope with, and I do not believe for one second it should be tolerated.

I expect the level of deliberate trolling activity by Fae and ‎MichaelMaggs will work too. ‎MichaelMaggs, after his blatant disregard for INVOLVED policy standards, went on to trolling just, was it even one day later Michaelmaggs? I don't think it's been 24 hours has it, before you try badge of shaming an editor who is not under any restriction of any kind, in what is obviously to me, and I'm sure many others, "transparent revenge". I said previously "It boggles the mind to think of how, but history shows when you think you've seen it all, they come up with something even more perplexing." and Bravo MichaelMaggs, you've come up with something even more obvious and transparent to destroy commons. Well done.

Commercial Work Embargo
I'm placing an embargo on any work that has a substantial commercial value whilst the community allows an admin to harass a long time respected contributor off the project. note 1 note 2. I'll make exceptions for human rights related work, do awards, some work for friends, and humorous work, but if you need something else try the GFX lab, or if it's something only I can do, try the phone book. A mid-life crisis, or protest against the WMF, or whatever the reason (make up your own mind) doesn't give people the right to kick people off the project, delete everything on their talk and user pages and delete their well deserved awards. Deleting a Barnstar on the premise it is not educational is a spiteful misuse of admin tools.
The Embargo will remain in place for 12 months beginning with Toms last contribution, or until the tools are taken away, whichever comes first. Penyulap
how many times are you allowed to stand up for what is right before you get a gag order

Come up with too many ideas on improving Commons at the village pump and you'll get If you don't like Commons, please kindly fuck off and quit whining about it. -mattbuck (Talk) 11:07, 8 March 2013 (UTC)

(Policy is an abstraction that exists on a planet far, far away)

Q. How many times are you allowed to stand up for what is right before you get a gag order

A. Not many.

Stand up for what is blatantly correct at the Admin Noticeboard too many times and the same admin will gag you. the same 'fuck off' admin.

For some reason double voting in admin elections is A-OK and No action is required

Wiki failed long ago. The whole project in Feb 2007 attracted 22 thousand new editors, the next year it fell to 20 thousand. This year it was 13 thousand. If you think there is anything wrong with that "fuck off and quit whining".

Best thing about having to endure this police-state jail, is that you don't have to.

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Welcome to Wikimedia Commons, Penyulap!

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farewell[edit]

Please consider posting (or discussing) the following comment and link on the appropriate talkpage, within a quotation box.

I rejoice that so many of us can understand those who we cannot understand. While I always had one foot upon the digital earth, and one foot in the digital heaven, and now I have left to try to prepare the way for those who may follow me there, I hope that we can once again understand what we cannot understand, and if we cannot do it in the place I try to prepare, then I hope we can cross paths again just the same before I lift my other foot from the Real earth beneath us.

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Penyulap

short story[edit]

There was a vet, the very best training, the finest surgery, all the latest tools, medicines and equipment.

I went and caught a wild bird, I put it into a box and rushed it to him. I said "this bird is about to die from shock, it is a wild bird and I want you to save it, money is no object, I will pay anything you ask to save it"

I left him a large sum and he took the bird into his clinic. The next day, despite every effort he made to save the bird, it died. I could have asked him why it died, paid for an autopsy, theorised, but it would make no difference.

The bird was dead and I was right.

opinion[edit]

I Would like to here your opinion here https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests/File:Levant_Map.png

and

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests/File:IspifoneyFlag.jpg

GhiathArodaki‎ (talk) 20:20, 11 April 2013

Start trolling[edit]

the project needs your help to find more porcupine pornography Canoe. Don't let us down.!

I mean fishing for 60 year old images. This one may need the best resolution we can find when it is confirmed PD. Now you have me doing porn!--Canoe1967 (talk) 03:29, 16 April 2013 (UTC)

I'm not into people-porn, it's one of those cosmic God-laughs-at-you things. My culture is like, 'porn ? forget it'. So naturally I have the Graphics abilities to undress anyone I want in the twinkling of an eye, and don't care to. ;) Don't'cha just hate that ? Clin Penyulap 03:37, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
I was just kidding. We have a fair use image in her en:wp article and it is being brought into question. I starting investigating and discovered that it is probably PD. We should know in the next few days hopefully. Once Playboy gets word they will probably lawyer up, contact OTRS for takedown, and whine to Mr. Wales etc. They may get egg on face when we do find a no-notice version though.--Canoe1967 (talk) 04:02, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
I'm thinking that if the picture is out of a magazine and you opened the magazine to the first page or two, you'd find the copyright notice, so I can't see your stunt has a bright future. Stick to animal porn ! go find some bovine bondage or spanky snakes or ogling owls and so on, the project needs Your help. Penyulap 04:11, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
That copyright ruling seems weird to many. If any version was published without proper copyright markings then all versions of the same 2D image are public domain and can never be copyrighted again. I just need to find an 'any'. Link to law.--Canoe1967 (talk) 04:30, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
The son of the photographer showed up at the DR and confirmed that all official versions had proper copyright marks. They have won in court a few times on the same issue. Most of the pirate/bootleg ones didn't have proper notice.--Canoe1967 (talk) 12:36, 19 April 2013 (UTC)

File:Newspape and glasses small.jpg[edit]

{{File:Newspape and glasses small.jpg}} McZusatz (talk) 11:12, 19 April 2013 (UTC)

fixed, this is better, at least they are from long ago. That's where they need checking the most. Nowdays, it's like, so seldom. Penyulap 11:32, 19 April 2013 (UTC)

File:Peskimo recharge.gif {{File:Peskimo recharge.gif}} McZusatz (talk) 11:27, 19 April 2013 (UTC)

File:ASIMO 4.28.11.jpg fixed I think, needs checking though. Penyulap 11:39, 19 April 2013 (UTC)

File:Nurse Nogood.jpg Template:Txl McZusatz (talk) 11:47, 19 April 2013 (UTC)

fixed. (I used the cat link to find the source) Penyulap 11:55, 19 April 2013 (UTC)

Imposing a gag order[edit]

Hello, mattbuck asked for someone to crosspost this from COM:AN/U#Penyulap because he can't view userpages –⁠moogsi (blah) 00:27, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

I think this has run long enough now. After roughly 6 days, the vote count is 19 support, 14 oppose, of which 6 votes were by IPs, all on the oppose side, and one further oppose was Penyulap. I think this shows favour towards the proposal, albeit not overwhelming. I further note that while I do not out of hand discount IP edits, not one of the IPs which opposed the proposal had ever edited Commons before, and frankly if they're not Commons users I don't see their opinions as being especially relevant. As has been noted, Commons is a collaborative project, and for collaboration we need to be able to work together. Penyulap seems to have a problem with this, and while I enjoy jokes and humour as much as the next person, we must not let it get in the way of the reason we are here.

The sanction as voted on was for Penyulap to be allowed a total of two responses to a thread (defined as a top-level section), of not more than 100 words. Due to the suggestions that this is too restricting I am willing to moderate it to two responses plus one for each 2nd level (===) heading, with no word limit.

The sanction will last for one month (until 22nd May 2013), at which point we will discuss whether it is still necessary. -mattbuck (Talk) 00:11, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

(copying my response there)
Matt, who told me If you don't like Commons, please kindly fuck off and quit whining about it. -mattbuck (Talk) 11:07, 8 March 2013 (UTC) Hmm.. interesting alternative to improving commons.
So here is my one and only question, when counting 'votes', do people who have serious grudges which have been proven with diffs, count at all ? I don't think so.
Using votes of people who have grudges to bear to invent absurd new rules that target specific individuals rather than everyone voting on rules that apply to everyone makes a mockery of process and destroys any semblance of civil order. Penyulap 00:28, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

I'll add that it is clear your eager to close early to head off the more level-headed sysops. Penyulap 00:32, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

Is that directed at me? :) –⁠moogsi (blah) 00:49, 22 April 2013 (UTC)
do you think it is :) Penyulap 00:53, 22 April 2013 (UTC)
well I thought I'd ask, because I like to think of myself as level-headed, but maybe I've done something that makes you think I'm not –⁠moogsi (blah) 01:10, 22 April 2013 (UTC)
Well I was the only one who opposed your adminship after all, considering just how far your wide knowledge of every commons system and enculturation has come, I thought it was a little suspicious.
After all does everyone demonstrate as much experience with the system at 5 months ? Just look how far you've come since that first edit 5 months ago, to helping close discussion filled with socking allegations and full of diff'ed grudges. Penyulap 01:21, 22 April 2013 (UTC)
Please read above: because he can't view userpages, I am not "helping" to do anything, he would have posted the same thing here himself if he could. If you're looking for evidence of a vendetta against you, you won't find any cos I don't have one. If you're trying to start one now, I'm not interested. Flattered, but not interested –⁠moogsi (blah) 01:31, 22 April 2013 (UTC)
Oh, and I'm not a part of this conversation, you see these words ? nothing, nothing to do with this conversation at all, I'm just not here, not typing, I'm off doing some shopping, really I am, and just like you I'm not posting comments at the ANU thread either, no, I'm not even online right now.
I tell you one thing, there are some people who, if they wanted to not draw attention to their wrongdoings, if they didn't want to draw attention to themselves, if they didn't want a light shined upon their misdeeds, then they are going about it with one God-damn outrageously monumentally flawed and choke-on-what-your-chewing startlingly surprising and original strategy.
I can't believe just how many morons think that the best way to hide their misdeeds on commons is to insert themselves in front of me, in whatever it is that I am doing, whatever little conversation in some corner of the project I am working on, rather than the gazillion talkpages and gazillion users they could be talking with.
Then they figure, here is a fucking genius idea, if I don't want Penyulap turning their attention to my misdeeds, then the most ingenious idea that my dinosaur bwain can come up with, second only to the epiphany of genius idea that was inserting myself in Penyulaps way in the first place, is TO ASK PENY about my misdeeds. I'm a fucking genius, I'll stop whatever Peny is doing, and then bring up the topic, that's a sure-fire method to silence Peny if ever there was one. Fucking genius I am, Hoo-Yeah !!!
Never the thought shall occur to these people that there are millions, probably literally, of users out there that I have no opinion on and never will, I have no idea what they are doing and cannot in a billion years bring myself to care about it either. I couldn't care less. Now, would you like to keep on talking and being a part of this conversation, or are we done here ? Penyulap 01:53, 22 April 2013 (UTC)
Just to be clear, there is no word limit. -mattbuck (Talk) 12:09, 22 April 2013 (UTC)
Is there any limit on how many times I can tell you to fuck off and quit whining matt ? Just to be clear, if I cared to. Penyulap 04:15, 23 April 2013 (UTC)
Nothing stops you from posting on places such as Village Pump but please cease your ranting on COM:AN/U. I suggest that you also stop making uncivil comments. Bidgee (talk) 07:57, 23 April 2013 (UTC)
For those interested, Bidgee is doing his best (and is it giving you a headache?) to control his emotions, poorly, as the very emotional revision history of AN/U demonstrates
The Village Pump you say, oh, and here were a few doubters thinking that it wasn't a gag from speaking out against injustice. The Village Pump, some nice catting, upload a file or two, maybe the help desk, but not where YOUR dirty little secrets come back to kick you in the ass. Penyulap 08:08, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

Lingot d'or[edit]

Hi,
only for information : in french, it is "le" lingot d'or, not "la" lingot d'or.--Jebulon (talk) 11:26, 22 April 2013 (UTC)
memorising about 2,000 Chinese characters is a far above French gender on my language studies program. I'm not into French that much, sure it's 'useful', but I find other languages more pressing. Penyulap 11:32, 22 April 2013 (UTC)
I finally fixed that one. Penyulap 01:01, 7 June 2013 (UTC)

I hope that you're feeling well[edit]

I'm sorry that they restricted your ability to comment in discussions. --Michaeldsuarez (talk) 13:16, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

Hehe, I'm sorry if I laugh first off when I see this, because the thing is, I don't really care as much as other people surely do. I've seen this stuff before. When someone hasn't any idea what commons is about, and judges absurd new ideas like 'from now on Michaeldsuarez must change his handle to Shirley' and count supports/opposes, seriously, how can you not find it hilarious. But first and foremost, thank you for your concern, that means a great deal to me. As to the stupidity, I think a few people voted some governments laws to be invalid, I'll find that for you in a tic. Some people have no clue what adminship is about, it's like some swimsuit competition or popularity contest. They let anyone become an admin nowdays if you go over the RfA's it's hilarious. The current ones especially are funny, go have a look at the contribs. So it's like the united states of Utopia, they go on and on and on about all these wars they fought to get 'freedoms', and they've been giving away without a thought every last one of those rights since 2000. They bring the same cluelessness to the project with the same results, except this is the Internet. The project will be replaced, nothing is copyright about it, it's simply an epic fail, what else could have possibly been expected. I did some bot study yesterday, though today I've been chatting to some people and shopping online.
But hey tell me, if it is really bad that site of yours, how there are just people whinging about this one, wouldn't that just drive you crazy though ? You can tell me. I won't tell.
Oh, looking at that thing I was going to point to, I may as well put it in email, so if you want to write to me, I'll post the links, it's well, more of the same stuff really, someone didn't like being wrong and was going off like a chicken when someone pulls a feather from it's tail. Penyulap 13:43, 25 April 2013 (UTC)
I don't mind people laughing at me. I'm an entertainer and a buffoon. Whinging doesn't bother me. People whinge all the time on the Internet, and I'm not seeking to change the Internet. Sorry, but I don't wish to speak about others in private. Thank you for the message that you left me. --Michaeldsuarez (talk) 23:36, 25 April 2013 (UTC)
I understand, no problem. I don't mind people laughing at me either, or insults, just so long as they are funny :) You're welcome. Penyulap 23:44, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

User:Шуйская[edit]

I understand your change of the user page of User:Шуйская, but those things should not be on the user page. If you want to really help that user, when you reinstate references to categories, you might as well correct them and provide the link to the related Category:Michael Shuisky (vocalist). --Foroa (talk) 09:18, 26 April 2013 (UTC)

I agree that it should be in an article somewhere rather than a userpage, but she is gaining confidence and experience I figure, I've never bothered to work out which sandboxes get swept clean and which don't.
I don't know enough about the categories or the singer to correct them, I figure that both you and she would know more about that than I would. I will hand on your advice about Category:Michael Shuisky (vocalist). Thank you so much for your help. Penyulap 09:25, 26 April 2013 (UTC)

The Map[edit]

Hello, i couldn't translate this map to arabic easily. Could you please do it, or provide a blank version and i'll do the rest. Thank you--باسم (talk) 16:18, 28 April 2013 (UTC)

Hi ! I have been rather upset at the deterioration of commons, as outlined at the top of my talkpage, and so have Embargoed some work. All is not lost however, I've made a request here at the FX lab, and being svg, there are plenty of editors able to do it. If there is something they can't easily do, or something impossible, or something for human rights or a matter of morality let me know. I'll keep an eye on the request to see that it is done fast enough for you. Penyulap 16:32, 28 April 2013 (UTC)

Discussion on Editor-requested self-blocks[edit]

Hi Penyulap. I greatly appreciate your language and articulation.

If you check Rd232's talk page, you'll find ample stuff - logical, wikipediacal, etc on the subject.

He has greensignalled any discussion on the subject.

Further, on this website link, I asked a Q: "Question: what will be the policy with regard to self-blocked admins? Should they hold sysopship?" and I got the reply: "This is a decision of each community, they appoint and remove your advanced rights holders. Personal opinion is an admin has self-blocked and it is for an extended period, then that community should review that circumstance. — billinghurst sDrewth 10:36, 24 April 2013 (UTC)".

Commons policy for deadminship is here.

If, after going through all the above, you do decide to initiate a discussion somewhere, please leave a link on my talk page. Regards and best wishes, Hindustanilanguage (talk) 06:35, 30 April 2013 (UTC).

Thank you Hindustanilanguage, I'll give this some thought. Penyulap 08:46, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

File:The Greeting At The Port 1.jpg[edit]

What a great image! --MichaelMaggs (talk) 16:08, 4 May 2013 (UTC)

 :)
The picture was Dr Blofeld's idea, and I composed the captioning of the sign. Penyulap 02:46, 5 May 2013 (UTC)

banu Qasi[edit]

Hi Penyulap! I ask a friend to help me to make a map, but he apologized and recommend to contact you about this issue. My dear, I'm working on an article about en:banu qasi, if you don't mind, could you help me to make a map for their maximum expansion, which included the area from Borja to Logroño, including Tudela, en:Tarazona, en:Arnedo, en:Calahorra, en:Zaragoza, en:Najera, en:Viguera, en:Calatayud, en:Huesca and Toledo. If you have not the time to do, kindly, tell me how to do it. Please, if intend to replay, you can use this link. Thanks. أبو حمزة (talk) 16:05, 7 May 2013 (UTC)

there is a great deal to include, there are no easy ideas to follow on the internet that I can find, is this map or this one reasonably accurate ? The articles you link to, when I compile the maps, it is quite messy, many places won't match up or did not exist back then, if you can point me to your best map source on the internet that would help too. Penyulap 17:02, 7 May 2013 (UTC)
This one look great. Many thanks. Could you help by submitting it in commons?. أبو حمزة (talk) 17:53, 7 May 2013 (UTC)
Banu Qasi
Something along these lines ? Penyulap 18:29, 7 May 2013 (UTC)
Thanks. أبو حمزة (talk) 18:39, 7 May 2013 (UTC)
You're welcome, let me know if you need more help with it, like making it bigger(!) or change colour, or something. The new map looks good even though it is smallish.It is cool to see how simple and minimal the work needs to be, to be enough to be useful. I know a lot of people who are into hi res and svg and so on, but forget the simple objective which is to describe. Penyulap 18:43, 7 May 2013 (UTC)

Arab World maps with Southern Sudan[edit]

Hello :-) the last request was solved and i uploaded the Arabic version of the Greek-Persian world. I have placed a new request here, can you please crop southern Sudan from these 2 maps and upload the new versions over the old ones? Southern Sudan has been independent for nearly 2 years now. Thanks--باسم (talk) 11:18, 12 May 2013 (UTC)

Because I'm embargoing the project for the reasons at the top of the page, and it's not humanitarian/humorous, I'll give it a week or so at the FX lab and then do it as a request for a friend, if it hasn't been taken already. Penyulap 17:54, 12 May 2013 (UTC)
Ok, thanks :-)--باسم (talk) 12:24, 13 May 2013 (UTC)
The Arab Countries.png
Well, 5 days no takers so far, is the shadow ok on this version, too dark/light, too big/small ? Penyulap 18:46, 17 May 2013 (UTC)
I expect there may well be enough people who don't like me standing up for what is right, and my attempts to keep some semblance of sanity on commons, to support my proposal to block me. So the second half of your request may not be possible to do, but the FX lab is the place to ask. Penyulap 10:50, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

File:Inevercry.png[edit]

Autotranslate|1=File:Inevercry.png|2=|3=|base=Idw Andre Engels (talk) 09:40, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

File:INeverCry cropped.png Autotranslate|1=File:INeverCry cropped.png|2=|3=|base=Idw Andre Engels (talk) 09:40, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

(no longer needed) Penyulap 10:31, 6 June 2013 (UTC)

Old postcard[edit]

I remember seeing a postcard from the 70s and finally found a version on the net. This is low resolution but would it be hard to make up high resolution ones? The caption was 'Getting bombed in Vancouver, wish you were here.' They should work for other cities as well.--Canoe1967 (talk) 22:03, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

I guess you could pick out both some skylines of the cities you want, and match them to an old video of the nuclear tests, if the match is good enough I could look at making some wonky wikilove from it by combining them... I can trun anything to b & w in a second, what you're looking for is a perspective match. Penyulap 04:31, 15 May 2013 (UTC)
I was thinking of stills and not video. I collected a few at User:Canoe1967/Transit page. I will look for skylines next. We have video in many of the cats those came from.--Canoe1967 (talk) 05:59, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

File:Stay on target.gif[edit]

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(Based on commons files, which I agree weren't nasa PD after all). Penyulap 10:31, 6 June 2013 (UTC)

BC sign[edit]

w:Spuzzum, British Columbia used to have one sign that said "You are now leaving Spuzzum" on both sides. Another editor on en:wp is going to email them to see if there are still pictures of it kicking around. We may ask them if they want to make a new sign to replace it. Would you like to make a few humourous mock-ups that they may decide to use? CC-by would get your name in Spuzzum and as the famous song says: "If you haven't been to Spuzzum, you ain't been anywhere." You may one of the immmortal few that get their name stamped on something there.--Canoe1967 (talk) 12:32, 17 May 2013 (UTC)

Sure!!!! just as soon as I think of some reason why this is funny. Penyulap 12:36, 17 May 2013 (UTC)
still thinking,.... nothing yet.... Penyulap 12:36, 17 May 2013 (UTC)
come back tomorrow, I'm sure I'll have something by then... ;) Penyulap 12:36, 17 May 2013 (UTC)
I think it must work better with the jingle I haven't heard. Probably a really good music video or something.. Penyulap 12:38, 17 May 2013 (UTC)

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No problem. I have two brothers that can make signs and they may know best what is involved with painting it etc. w:Fred Curatolo lives near me and does signs as well as cartoons. He knows the story and may come up with a humourous one.--Canoe1967 (talk) 14:00, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

Don't give up[edit]

http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Commons:Administrators%27_noticeboard/User_problems&diff=96580330&oldid=96580090

Don't give up. There are still things that you can do and say, and participating on Commons would be a less enjoyable experience without you. --Michaeldsuarez (talk) 14:54, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

Thank you Michael. Penyulap 20:16, 21 May 2013 (UTC)
You're welcome. I hope that you've lost interest in having your account be blocked. --Michaeldsuarez (talk) 23:24, 21 May 2013 (UTC)
No I haven't 'given up' trying to get 'my account blocked', I'm still trying. Penyulap 08:08, 22 May 2013 (UTC)
Woah, wait a minute !!! something is wrong with that sentence, and as soon as I figure out what it is, I'll be all over it, you know, if I'm not already blocked. In the meantime I'm sure no-one will misquote me. Penyulap 08:08, 22 May 2013 (UTC)
Ah, now it occurs to me as I recall we're talking self-requested blocks, no, I'm not after one right this moment, I'm, cool, and I wouldn't want to lose touch with all my friends, and I still love drawing silly things :D I think we all get a bit discouraged at times with the police state sort of sillyness, so many people really do believe they are masters of the universe on thrones made of solid neobyndium from galiphrea. I'm not against that per-sae, I just think we can be respectful omnipresent masters of our own galactic empires and recognise that other people have their own galactic empires in their minds too, and that shouldn't get in the way of the occasional bit of work that goes on either. Penyulap 08:14, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

FX request[edit]

✓ Done, Thanks a lot :-)--باسم (talk) 19:15, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

You're welcome. Penyulap 20:16, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

Some of us have not given up[edit]

I do not know whether you simply do not realize the extent to which your sarcasm suppresses discussion, or whether you are in fact so frustrated that you think serious conversation is pointless, but I do not appreciate having the thread hijacked with a personal dispute. Please either revert back to my last version or contribute positively to the discussion. Dankarl (talk) 18:02, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

I think you have forgotten that the village pump is for everyone, and your repeated attempts to actually suppress discussion by cutting the thread in half or wholesale deletion of comments, is, well, how can I avoid the description 'suppressing the discussion'. Lighten up, people aren't hijacking *YOUR* discussion, they are talking, participating. Talking happens. sheesh.
Otherwise, if you don't want me talking about batch uploading on the web and so on, maybe a more narrow title than "Hey let's do a batch upload", cause with a title like that, people will talk about, umm, err, hmm, oh! batch uploads. It's the topic, you started it, you put it on the village pump which is the place to talk to everyone, if you don't want to talk to everyone, maybe a more quiet page is the place, or just invite people to have a chat somewhere ? Penyulap 18:12, 28 May 2013 (UTC)
Okay then, I'm done trying to steer, add something to the discussion, preferably something that will pull other people in and advance the topic. Dankarl (talk) 18:42, 28 May 2013 (UTC)
There is no need to think that I'm negative because I can't think of the magic answer to the problem, you're not making any proposals either, so what is left except to talk about it ? If there is no proposal, then what IS the topic except talking about it ? see ? Penyulap 19:05, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

upload files with water sign[edit]

Salviati, Paolo 01.jpg

Hi Penyulap, I found wonderful files, but they all have water signs. Is it worth to upload them? Is it possible to remove the water sign and who could do it? Thank you and regards--Oursana (talk) 09:06, 29 May 2013 (UTC)

The watermark doesn't take up much of the image and it can be removed, it's not quite in the easiest category for watermark removal, there would need to be manual touch-up for best effect, but even without being touched up or even with the watermark there, they seem just fine to me, but you'd best watch out for roaming nut-cases who block for uploading any watermark at all (it happens) so I don't know how people are supposed to get them to the FX lab. I'd just upload them and see how you go. There are a lot of people who can remove the watermarks, but on the other hand, those watermarks are quite subtle so I can't see much problem. Oh, please do me a favour and fix up all the paperwork on this example image ok? otherwise I'll just have it deleted. I hate paperwork. The image has had the watermark removed by robotic cloning (wow, that sounds cool) there are other methods like adjusting the hue of the part of the image that has the lettering, that would probably work even better, but it's just a matter of how much effort is required, like if it is a FA or GA and so on.... actually there is a lovely picture of a bird that I extended and it's going to FI right now :) I'm quite happy about that :D
there are still parts of the last word in the image, easy enough to remove if it's necessary, I did it just rough without a clean-up. Penyulap 16:14, 29 May 2013 (UTC)
Wonderful. Of course I did the paper work. There are 13 photos left. Could we go on like this? Thank you very much.--Oursana (talk) 00:45, 30 May 2013 (UTC)
Yes, though put them into a graphics lab request so that everyone can have a crack at them, watermark removal is a favourite of many artists around here. However, idiotically blocking people for uploading watermarked files is too common amongst admins. Commons:watermarks needs attention and improvement. Watermarks have been discussed at the Village Dump before, and there was not even agreement that at least some watermarks are allowed. It's crazy. Penyulap 01:18, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

Salviati, Paolo 02.jpg Salviati, Paolo 03.jpg Salviati, Paolo 04.jpg Here's three more, we need better names. maybe the artist name + a number if nothing else works... Penyulap 19:05, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

THank you so much, you are great, I knew. Artists name= Salviati, Paolo + Nr is fine. I do more paper work later.--Oursana (talk) 01:56, 31 May 2013 (UTC)
You're most welcome Oursana. It's not too late to do the renaming, I take too long. Please do feel free to do the rename requests as I don't have filemover rights. (gives me excuse not to do more work) Penyulap 08:45, 31 May 2013 (UTC)

Question (5 June)[edit]

Hello :-) i have uploaded this file today, its a cropped image from the cover of an old book published in Egypt. I think i might have made a mistake uploading it.. do u think it can be considered OK to keep seeing that it was published prior to 1987? (Check what the license says). If its not OK then can you please nominate it for deletion. If it was OK i'll move it to the workshop to edit it a little. Can you please replay in my talk page? Thank you--باسم (talk) 16:36, 5 June 2013 (UTC)

✓ Penyulap 20:49, 5 June 2013 (UTC)
Its OK then, delete it. I found another drawing also on a book cover but i wanna make sure of the date. What i know is that nothing is wrong in drawing pictures of Muslim figures such as leaders and general and sultans and caliphs...etc as long as they are not among the sahaba (such as Abu baker, Umar, Uthman, Ali....etc), so its OK to draw an image of Musa bin Nusayr or Tariq bin Ziyad or any other Muslim general. Maybe we can do the map if i didn't find any suitable image. Thank you--باسم (talk) 08:56, 6 June 2013 (UTC)
No problem, will do. I had only asked about it because I had heard something along the lines of pictures of living things in general, but I guess that is not a common culture, so it's ok. Penyulap 09:00, 6 June 2013 (UTC)

Thanks — re: cyber-bully[edit]

Hi Penyulap, Thank you so much for noticing, and then giving your efforts to help with the Nyttend cyber-bully problem. Thank you also for the barnstar with your supportive message, it turned around giving up on Wikimedia then. It seems you detest bullies too, and I appreciate your capacities to out them in the wiki-world.
I just completed restoring information that Nyttend had illogically reverted away on ~30 images, and used edit notes with "restore," post-vandalism," and "correct destructiveness" — in case you or other administrators need more examples of irrational editing (not done to be provocative). It seems Nyttend is not even looking before reverting, as the 'U.S. National Register of Historic Places' + 'Historic American Buildings Survey' categories being deleted are at the core of many of their uploads' subjects. I've appreciated those images for years, and added categories to many 100s of them with no harassment until this year.
Have added my comments to Administrators' noticeboard, and hope they are not too 'old school' or long. With sincere appreciation—Look2See1 (talk) 09:23, 6 June 2013 (UTC)

You're most welcome Look2See1, thank you for your kind words. Thank you for the amazing amount of work that you have given everyone, everywhere. This project will eventually be replaced, all websites come to an end eventually. I believe our work will continue to be built upon, on other, new websites and I can't imagine that they will have the same (sometimes awful) problems that we have here today. I hope you and all my friends will jump across to the new website when it's built. Sometimes it gets pretty bad on wiki, many people do leave, many stick it out and I think sometimes real life is a refuge from wiki. I firmly believe that it should be the opposite way around, that wiki IS the refuge from real life. A good support network of friends and infinite intellectual pursuits to enjoy. I laugh when people on en.wiki suggest there is some kind of 4-5 million or 10 million article 'limit' on what the project will become. Small minds, with small ideas like that, are what you get out of pure chaos.
Don't worry about the hounding, I am quite happy to keep an eye on things, I've laid it out so well at ANU, and so balanced and complete, that there is almost nothing left for anyone else to add to it. People know or should know, what is going on by now. Sure, you can get random admins who will place very bad blocks, that is always a risk, but they can never live them down if they are unrepentant. People know what is going on now, they can see it, so don't worry. If you use a watchlist, it is always good to add your friends and the admin noticeboards to it, I do, that's how I see what certain people are up to. That's important I think.
By the way, I'm really happy you like the Barnstar, I drew it myself. I couldn't believe how much you've done on commons without anyone noticing, it is amazing, like WOW ! Penyulap 10:22, 6 June 2013 (UTC)
Hi Penyulap, Thanks for idea of adding your talk page to my watchlist, am so old school would have felt like spying otherwise. Do not have a support network of even one friend here or en:wikipedia, so would like to apply to your U.S. Riffraff trial candidates program plz. The wiki isolation has been so strange, as in 3d life am very well connected in various interests and support networks. In both wikis, over the years have noticed preponderance of comments in edit summaries/talk pages is critical to quite negative — perhaps human nature + online anonymity + subculture of dominant 'ever-adolescent'—aggressive wiki editors? Not that I can't make dumb mistakes and be a slow learner too...
Discovered yesterday there had been another AN/U started about me 14 May. Nyttend did not notify me, is that standard since am not an administrator, or an oversight? Feels quite unfair not to be made aware and able to answer others' concerns, especially if goal was another block. If policy though, calmly accept it. Will watchlist AN/U too from now on.
Have added 3 replies to current AN/U, before seeing your "there is almost nothing left for anyone else to add to it" above. Sorry, will do big pause. Was just feeling so massively pummeled by uber-skilled wiki-insider types on a distorted agenda/mission, but certainly do not want to exacerbate drama fog or be a ranter unworthy of mature mediation.
Is it ok if I occasionally ask you questions here, on 'editors best practices' or 'how does an editor do this' stuff? BTW, had no idea my edit count was so high, certainly not my goal or cared about. Quality, not quantity, though guess that is in dispute :-) Thanks to your support, and a fabulous Barnstar design to see — am not just cringing and signing out whenever that "new talkpage messages" banner jumps out in its insistent ochre-orangeness. As always, with appreciation—Look2See1 (talk) 23:08, 6 June 2013 (UTC)
yes, it is standard practice and polite as well to let people know you are talking about them, however, in your case, I expect the intention was to trick an admin into making another monumental mistake, giving you another block. In such cases they try every trick in the book, some people here know all the tricks, and they are not doing as I do, exposing that knowledge for good purposes either. The problem is that the wiki projects are changing and not for the better. The best people get upset with the awful bullying that occurs, and they leave. That only surrenders the project to the nasty people. I tell people, if you want to leave, don't. Sure, stop for a while, give up editing, but don't make some big exit and surrender the project and the good people to the evil side. Have a rest, and next week or next month you'll have nothing else to do and will be here again. Then you can add your voice where it is needed most, standing up for what is right.
Yes, please do ask questions as much as you like. Switch on email as well, because occasionally you may not wish to make your enquiry public. I can also point you to the good people if I can't answer something myself, I do know some really good people behind the scenes here and on en.wiki. They are always happy to help good people (time permitting of course).
I might have to leave a nice message on your talkpage now and then to cheer you up and make you associate that orange banner with what it is meant to be, something nice. I like the orange banners. Penyulap 23:33, 6 June 2013 (UTC)

Hey[edit]

Well Takabeg upset me when he dates sclupture of Ferdowsi at UT "under 30 years", while it's actually from 1934. Mistake of 50 years. Talking about Ferdowsi square, it's from 1976 so I removed template also. Author died in 1995, so what is relevant in that case? (his mentioning of 30 years confused me) Considering British embassy, it's from first half of 20th century for sure. If you have noticed that I've done something wrong feel free to inform me. Cheers. --Orijentolog (talk) 00:45, 7 June 2013 (UTC)

can you link to that file for me please ?
something you should be aware of, it is a very popular strategy for nasty people to try and play 'tit for tat' I'm not saying that either one of you is, just that it is a common strategy. Someone provokes you into doing something wrong and then goes and tells an admin on you, and then you end up with the block. Not good, if they started it. When you have a problem like that, feel free to ask me, I'll try to help, or you can go to Commons:AN/U which is a bit more complex.
I'll point this conversation out to Fastily, where I first saw the conversation here. Penyulap 00:54, 7 June 2013 (UTC)
Ferdowsi Square (Tehran) - here it is. For this one I'm not 100% sure (like in case of 1934-sclupture). It looks like brand new (I actually thought it was from 2000's at first, and unaware of FoP rules) but it's from 1976. Considering my behavior, I removed deletion-templates from images and then I started to put sources with years. He didn't try to start conversation and consult issues but just undid my edits. --Orijentolog (talk) 01:02, 7 June 2013 (UTC)
That's ok, don't worry about it, rather than removing the templates, just click on the link that says 'the nomination page.' and then write on that page why you think the file should be kept, removing the templates themselves is generally considered bad if you do that over and over again. On the other hand, if someone is hassling you by nominating lots of your files, and the deletion discussions that result at 'the nomination page.' pages eventually turn out to be 'keeps' then that is a problem on their part. Usually you just don't worry about people nominating your files, it happens all the time, but if they nominate 10 and all are kept, and then next week another 10 or something, then you can add a calm note to the discussions that they are making a lot of deletion nominations of your files that result in keep, or ask me, I'll take a look. Cool ? Penyulap 01:10, 7 June 2013 (UTC)
Understood. :) --Orijentolog (talk) 02:23, 7 June 2013 (UTC)

Kaiulani01[edit]

Yes, just some general cleanh up. Remove color streaks and blemishes and change tone and brightness if needed. Just upload over the images. Don't create derivative files or a, b, c files. Thank you.--KAVEBEAR (talk) 08:24, 7 June 2013 (UTC)

I had a softer background in one of the two new ones, as it is no big deal I'll do one or two more as I please. cool. Penyulap 08:28, 7 June 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for the smile[edit]

I thought that this was brilliant. Thanks. WhatamIdoing (talk) 22:39, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

Aahh, yeah. I loved that one too. Face-smile.svg get ourselves a possy together. Glad you like some of the random stuff that comes out of my mouth. Penyulap 22:46, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

What browser are you using?[edit]

Just for curiosity: Regarding [2] — what browser are you using? This works fine in Firefox 21 as well as Internet Explorer 10 on Windows 7. The line breaks you added actually add a huge lot of whitespace in these browsers while it looks good without them. I assume you're seeing some overlapping content in your browser though, without the additional line breaks? --Patrick87 (talk) 01:58, 10 June 2013 (UTC)

firefox, on ubuntu. There is more than one person seeing this, as I wasn't the first to insert it. There is of course the proper way, a - inside brackets, but i was lazy, and it does the same job. yes, the text does cover the image without the cr's and actually i think there is still a sig over it, but that doesn't worry me, just the conversation which wouldn't be legible without. Ubuntu is required to run the graphics programs that I use. At this moment I am getting a taste of windows 8 and I hate it, it's a steaming turd. Penyulap 11:53, 10 June 2013 (UTC)

CE[edit]

Thanks.   — C M B J   08:15, 16 June 2013 (UTC)

you're welcome. Penyulap 08:26, 16 June 2013 (UTC)

Are you Charlie?[edit]

FYI, it's "Robin" Williams, not to be confused with Robbie Williams. -mattbuck (Talk) 07:26, 18 June 2013 (UTC)

Discussion affecting you[edit]

This is to notify you of a discussion at Commons:Administrators'_noticeboard#User_rights_of_User:BrandonBigheart that affects you. PumpkinSky talk 20:29, 18 June 2013 (UTC)

Thank you, I've commented there. I examined the situation, I think you've done the right thing. Penyulap 20:46, 18 June 2013 (UTC)

Collegiate environment[edit]

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Hi Penyulap. I would like to informally raise for your attention posts such as this one, made to an already heated Deletion request, which seem intended to inflame problems and/or cause offence to other contributors. I know that some find your posts amusing, but repeatedly posting comments which are likely to offend, in the middle of a consensus building process, is disruptive to reaching a consensus, and in my view, creates a hostile environment.

In this instance it would have been fine to respond with a comment about "zero evidence" and make it amusing, but reducing the discussion to "talking out your arse" and making fart jokes is a deliberately offensive personal attack. Please consider removing or adapting the comment to make it clear it is not a personal attack against another contributor.

At times I would agree that you make good policy based points to the benefit of Commons content and the community, but these are lost amongst hostile comments, and what most viewers would call blatant trolling for laughs at the expense of others. I hope you can take time to consider my request to ensure Commons stays a collegiate environment where everyone can feel free to make a contribution to open knowledge, without feeling at risk of being abused or hounded, rather than instantly dismissing or ridiculing my concern as someone without a sense of humour.

To be honest I have avoided all interaction with you since raising the AN/U on your account, for fear of becoming subject to continued hounding personal comments; I doubt that is the reputation you are actively seeking, but please realise it is the effect you have on others. Thanks -- (talk) 13:08, 20 June 2013 (UTC)

Hi Penyulap, Thank you so much for noticing, and then giving your efforts to help with the Nyttend cyber-bully problem. Thank you also for the barnstar with your supportive message, it turned around giving up on Wikimedia then. It seems you detest bullies too, and I appreciate your capacities to out them in the wiki-world. [...] I've appreciated those images for years, and added categories to many 100s of them with no harassment until this year. Have added my comments to Administrators' noticeboard, and hope they are not too 'old school' or long. With sincere appreciation—Look2See1 (talk) 09:23, 6 June 2013 (UTC)

That is a small sample of what I have been doing in the 'Collegiate environment' department in the last month or so. italics and bold added by myself, full section is up the page a bit.

Let's see what people have said about your efforts in the 'Collegiate environment' department in the last month or so.

  1. [...] is pathologically drawn to creating controversy and conflict.-- KTo288
  2. I also feel the candidate often tends towards the letter rather than the spirit of policy in order to achieve an aim, and this is not a philosophy I'm comfortable with. Begoon 
  3. Aside from the issues underlying the en-wiki ban and the lack of candor relating to his use of multiple accounts, Fæ's comments here just the day before this discussion began [4], uncivilly proclaiming that blocking one of his en-wiki critics would be "a bonus to the community," also demonstrates that the candidate is unsuitable to hold a position of trust. The Big Bad Wolfowitz
  4. Oppose per "Fæ has used ad hominem attacks to try to discredit others". He doesn't seem to have stopped. Salvio giuliano
  5. Fae's past history does not inspire confidence. — Scott
  6. Fæ neglects to mention past accounts and sockpuppets and neglects to mention past enwiki ban in his nomination statement. Would you trust a sysop who hides facts from you? --Michaeldsuarez
  7. While I firmly believe people can change and that second chances are important, they must come after sufficient evidence that the requester has learned from his or her mistakes. At this point, I do not have enough confidence that Fæ has changed enough to allow me to feel comfortable extending him the trust necessary for access to the admin maintenance toolset here on the Commons. I'm sorry. -- Avi (talk)

On that last comment, do you think about a month is enough ? There is plenty more of this stuff, I could waste more of my time picking out some of the clearest advice you've been given by the wide community, but basically you're just here so you can go to ANU again, surprise, surprise, and say 'oh I tried to save the universe by being so nice and saintly with a pious heart and ask Penyulap to stop killing babies and woe is me he didn't listen', blah blah blah [The Penyulap show season 2 episode 1] blah blah. Seriously dude, what has changed at all in the last month, you've simply laid in wait, looking, hoping for an opportunity, lame choice btw, I do crazier crap than that all the time, but it'll do, so run off and see if you can cause more dramaz.

Would a person who would like to be appreciated and treasured by the community follow your lead and take your advice Fae ? seriously ? Would admins who want to keep the respect of myself and the wider community follow your lead Fae ? run along to ANU and find out.

  1. I expect more matured and controlled behaviour from admins. JKadavoor Jee
  2. I believe that Fæ's free speech track record is dismal. --Michaeldsuarez

I should give out lessons in how to hold the project together and stop good editors leaving, and come to think of it, if people watch carefully they shall see if I can keep our friend and colleague from losing heart in dark times. Penyulap 14:23, 20 June 2013 (UTC)

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Here is a pretty picture of my friend's contributions to liven up the drab section.

<description> This is the amazing, absolutely amazing, screenshot of Look2See1's contributions. There are like, just 15 edits to the commons namespace today, out of a total of over 100,000. What is seriously even more amazing is if you go and pick contributions at random, you'd see that Look2See1 is not a edit count oriented editor. Most of the contributions are well thought out multiple category adjustments that, if done separately, would rival the likes of my friend Richard from en.wiki. A million ? I don't know, but how do you get that far without attracting attention, how many more miracles are out there like Look2See1 on commons, if any ? it gives pause for thought.

Penyulap 14:28, 20 June 2013 (UTC)

As you have not mentioned my serious concern, let alone attempted to address it, I am content that I have done my bit in attempting to reach out to you in good faith. (talk) 14:43, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
Are those sparrows on your shoulders and squirrels gathering in a circle around your feet Fae ? that's amazing Penyulap 14:47, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
Unbelievable... Just noticed this discussion by chance and what should I say? I've never met a person that is stepping on other persons toes more constantly and deliberately (and I'm not talking about Fæ!). Just to make it clear from the beginning: There's no need for an answer, or at least there will not be any further comment from my side. If I learned one lesson regarding communication with Penyulap it's avoiding all of those pointless discussions with him at all. They lead nowhere. Actually I'm angry at myself that I took the time to write these lines, since I know they'll go unheard... --Patrick87 (talk) 00:25, 21 June 2013 (UTC)
Here is what Patrick87 and I have been doing this month, don't forget the collapsed section at the bottom, which contains the Gem "I'll give up on you at this point, some children are just unteachable."
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== Absorption and emission spectra == (link)

Hi!

I am hoping someone can answer a question regarding copyrights on spectra.

On the page violet astronomy, to illustrate the emission and absorption line locations for beryllium and boron, which are important metals in star formation, I have uploaded two such spectra calculated by the person credited. But in principle these spectra may be calculated by anyone and perhaps presented as this individual has done, without the company components of course.

Are these spectra as calculated and presented subject to copyright?

Thank you in advance for your kind attention to this matter. --Marshallsumter (talk) 17:32, 1 June 2013 (UTC)

This might be a case of {{PD-Ineligible}}, but it would be preferable is you just replot the spectra and use {{PD-user}}. --Jarekt (talk) 01:58, 2 June 2013 (UTC)
Make a request at the Commons:Graphics lab, we can make new images for you, and you can add the credit as a reference in the image description on the image page. Penyulap 13:26, 2 June 2013 (UTC)
No we can't. Absorption spectra are nothing one can just "redraw" Penyulap. You have to calculate them from a theoretical model or measure them with a spectrometer and then you can create a plot out of these data. --Patrick87 (talk) 14:33, 2 June 2013 (UTC)
Actually the National Institutes of Standards and Technology (NIST) of the USA has already calculated them including intensity per element. All that needs to be done is to graphically plot them like the spectra often seen with appropriate colors per wavelength. I would have to write the graphics software from scratch but I can supply the reference if Commons:Graphics lab can do it. Let me know and I'll supply the reference. --Marshallsumter (talk) 19:48, 2 June 2013 (UTC)
It could be done as a GIMP script, but not by me. I think writing it as a svg would be easiest, people tell me they are plain text documents anyway, so adding in the computations directly or with a text editor sounds dead easy. I don't do svg though, so I'd have to learn enough for this one task or co-ordinate with friends. It certainly sounds do-able. Penyulap 20:37, 2 June 2013 (UTC)
Thats what I meant: Graphics lab isn't the place were scientists crowd, but a place for graphics experts (not that this would be mutually exclusive). This request would probably fit better into en:Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Physics. There's no need to write software for this, there are suitable tools around. I could probably do it, but I don't know when I'll get round it. There are multiple things I'd want to do first currently. Maybe you could start a request at graphics lab and post a link to it in WikiProject Physics. --Patrick87 (talk) 20:50, 2 June 2013 (UTC)
Hehehe the old 'I could do it if I felt like it' ;) But seriously, does anyone have the list of numbers of the calculated spectra. I can experiment with a text editor and 'linearGradient' in svg and I can't see this being brain surgery. Penyulap 20:57, 2 June 2013 (UTC)
Wah, there are some fun tools out there for playing with svg gradients. Plus, really fun names of documents as well, like "The Elements:A Visual Explanation of Every Known Atom in the Universe by Theodore Gray" I like that :D Penyulap 21:16, 2 June 2013 (UTC)
Try to read closer. I said I could do it if I had the time. I'm sure I could put "something" together within minutes, but if I do it, I want to do it right. And there are currently more important things that come first for me. Consider yourself glad if you can "waste" your time with such experiments while what you're trying is a standard procedure for many physicists out there. Surely you'll learn something in the process. --Patrick87 (talk) 22:47, 2 June 2013 (UTC)
This could be a five minute version. Spectral data already included... --Patrick87 (talk) 22:56, 2 June 2013 (UTC)

Here's the NIST reference:

  • Alexander Kramida, Yuri Ralchenko, and Joseph Reader (September 24, 2012). NIST Atomic Spectra Database, Version 5. National Institutes of Standards and Technology (NIST). Retrieved on 2013-01-20.,

let me know if you have questions or problems. Absorption spectra are calculated with the line removing color from the spectra. --Marshallsumter (talk) 00:17, 3 June 2013 (UTC)


Boron emission spectrum, background credit:Teravolt,foreground credit:Alex Petty,mashup: Penyulap ;)
Here is my two minute noodles version. I'll have a look at the link, probably good to move this to the FX lab I figure.. Penyulap 00:20, 3 June 2013 (UTC)

Crystal Clear action loopnone.png copied to Commons:Graphic Lab/Illustration workshop#Absorption and emission spectra for beryllium and boron Penyulap 00:37, 3 June 2013 (UTC)

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Sorry to spoil the fun Penyulap, but do you think only because you removed the background (containing the watermark with author information) and incorporated a new one it isn't a copyright violation anymore? Your graphics doesn't improve upon the original at all (despite the author might now even complain that we removed the watermark from his work). I'll not even start to make a statement on the physical validity of this diagram. --Patrick87 (talk) 00:43, 3 June 2013 (UTC)
well to answer the first question, yes I do think it's all PD now because it is far too simple to be the subject of copyright, I won't be the least bit offended if you DR the image, feel free. Marshallsumter is the only person I'd like to please with the graphics as they are the requester, if anyone else wants to make an even better image, they are most welcome to do so. Penyulap 01:01, 3 June 2013 (UTC)
You are wrong (although where there's no judge, there's no hangman...)! First of all, the graphics can be as simple as you want, the underlying data may still be copyrighted. Now lets assume your image is art (it's not very physical anyway): Even then it could be copyrighted, since even some colored lines could reach the treshold of originality (Where did you place the lines? How thick did you made them? What color did you choose? There's actually much originality in it!). --Patrick87 (talk) 01:14, 3 June 2013 (UTC)
wrong ? me ? unpossible I tell U ! ;D
The image is just fine, it's a spectrum, a representation of the Radio Frequency spectrum shown as visible light hues. Basically it is just a scale, same as numbers on a tape measure, a steady progression with perfect precision. This I know from general knowledge, I also know that the signature of each element is unique, you can't copyright that either. So those signatures expressed in this way are the simplest form possible. Now, there are some artefacts where I stretched things in the FX software, I'm not so sure it is as clean as it possibly could be, however this image is designed to be viewed with the eyes rather than fed into software, so I think it is ok, and more importantly, supremely important is Marshallsumter describing it as "Awesome!!!" at the FX lab. To me, that is the only thing that is important, that a requester is happy. It's like someone walks into my shop and I am the shopkeeper, and they ask for half a dozen D sized batteries, and some other person, not staff and possibly not a customer suggests that they should buy an iPod, what am I going to do as a good shopkeeper ? bill my customer for an iPod without asking, or do as they ask and provide a half dozen D sized batteries ? Penyulap 01:41, 3 June 2013 (UTC)
Oh come on, Penyulap, this is just childish. First of all you don't have to explain to me what an emission spectrum is since I'm afraid I already know it much better than you will ever do. Secondly your copyright arguments are just invalid but if you don't want to see the facts I can't aid it, continue violating copyrights. Thirdly the graphics lab is a place for graphics experts and we surely want to satisfy users (who might be satisfied easily) but at the same time we want to produce the best quality possible according to our standards, so the images can be reused for other purposes easily, and won't pop up here again in some months to fix the glitches that could have been avoided in the first place.
To stick to your silly example: Surely you can sell your customer half empty batteries and he will be happy since his device works again, but if you demand of yourself to fulfill some basic standards you'll sell him fresh ones (at least if you're not a crook). --Patrick87 (talk) 02:31, 3 June 2013 (UTC)
I find it endlessly amusing that you figure to lecture me on what I do and don't know, please continue, I can't get enough. Face-smile.svg
I suggest as far as copyright goes, put up or shut up, commons:DR is a nice place to address concerns that don't involve gratuitous 'remarks'. As for the quality of the images I'm producing, I'm the only shop open, the image is quote "Awesome" and I'm happy to refund the $0 paid twice over and give a free voucher for a free replacement image. If only you could get that everywhere in RL eh ?
I collapse the section where we're bickering, feel free to un-collapse if you feel a need to share with everyone. Penyulap 02:47, 3 June 2013 (UTC)
Yes, probably it's best to hide the nonsense you're writing from the public. I'll give up on you at this point, some children are just unteachable. --Patrick87 (talk) 11:55, 3 June 2013 (UTC)
P.S. As an example you still didn't get that I actually wanted to help you produce a nice and shiny image that is free of copyright but if you're satisfied with imperfect results of questionable copyright status there's little I can do.
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== Absorption and emission spectra for beryllium and boron ==

Yes check.svg ResolvedParty icon.svg It's the Graphics lab office Christmas PAR-Tae in June, Woo-Hoo! Penyulap 07:48, 4 June 2013 (UTC)

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Boron emission spectrum, background credit:Teravolt,foreground credit:Alex Petty,mashup: Penyulap ;)
Boron spectrum visible (suggestion by McZusatz)
Beryllium emission spectrum, background credit:Teravolt,foreground credit:Alex Petty,mashup: Penyulap ;)
Berillium spectrum visible (suggestion by McZusatz)

Request:

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Hi!

I am hoping someone can answer a question regarding copyrights on spectra.

On the page violet astronomy, to illustrate the emission and absorption line locations for beryllium and boron, which are important metals in star formation, I have uploaded two such spectra calculated by the person credited. But in principle these spectra may be calculated by anyone and perhaps presented as this individual has done, without the company components of course.

Are these spectra as calculated and presented subject to copyright?

Thank you in advance for your kind attention to this matter. --Marshallsumter (talk) 17:32, 1 June 2013 (UTC)

This might be a case of {{PD-Ineligible}}, but it would be preferable is you just replot the spectra and use {{PD-user}}. --Jarekt (talk) 01:58, 2 June 2013 (UTC)
Make a request at the Commons:Graphics lab, we can make new images for you, and you can add the credit as a reference in the image description on the image page. Penyulap 13:26, 2 June 2013 (UTC)
No we can't. Absorption spectra are nothing one can just "redraw" Penyulap. You have to calculate them from a theoretical model or measure them with a spectrometer and then you can create a plot out of these data. --Patrick87 (talk) 14:33, 2 June 2013 (UTC)
Actually the National Institutes of Standards and Technology (NIST) of the USA has already calculated them including intensity per element. All that needs to be done is to graphically plot them like the spectra often seen with appropriate colors per wavelength. I would have to write the graphics software from scratch but I can supply the reference if Commons:Graphics lab can do it. Let me know and I'll supply the reference. --Marshallsumter (talk) 19:48, 2 June 2013 (UTC)
It could be done as a GIMP script, but not by me. I think writing it as a svg would be easiest, people tell me they are plain text documents anyway, so adding in the computations directly or with a text editor sounds dead easy. I don't do svg though, so I'd have to learn enough for this one task or co-ordinate with friends. It certainly sounds do-able. Penyulap 20:37, 2 June 2013 (UTC)
Thats what I meant: Graphics lab isn't the place were scientists crowd, but a place for graphics experts (not that this would be mutually exclusive). This request would probably fit better into en:Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Physics. There's no need to write software for this, there are suitable tools around. I could probably do it, but I don't know when I'll get round it. There are multiple things I'd want to do first currently. Maybe you could start a request at graphics lab and post a link to it in WikiProject Physics. --Patrick87 (talk) 20:50, 2 June 2013 (UTC)
Hehehe the old 'I could do it if I felt like it' ;) But seriously, does anyone have the list of numbers of the calculated spectra. I can experiment with a text editor and 'linearGradient' in svg and I can't see this being brain surgery. Penyulap 20:57, 2 June 2013 (UTC)
Wah, there are some fun tools out there for playing with svg gradients. Plus, really fun names of documents as well, like "The Elements:A Visual Explanation of Every Known Atom in the Universe by Theodore Gray" I like that :D Penyulap 21:16, 2 June 2013 (UTC)
Try to read closer. I said I could do it if I had the time. I'm sure I could put "something" together within minutes, but if I do it, I want to do it right. And there are currently more important things that come first for me. Consider yourself glad if you can "waste" your time with such experiments while what you're trying is a standard procedure for many physicists out there. Surely you'll learn something in the process. --Patrick87 (talk) 22:47, 2 June 2013 (UTC)
This could be a five minute version. Spectral data already included... --Patrick87 (talk) 22:56, 2 June 2013 (UTC)

Here's the NIST reference:

  • Alexander Kramida, Yuri Ralchenko, and Joseph Reader (September 24, 2012). NIST Atomic Spectra Database, Version 5. National Institutes of Standards and Technology (NIST). Retrieved on 2013-01-20.,

let me know if you have questions or problems. Absorption spectra are calculated with the line removing color from the spectra. --Marshallsumter (talk) 00:17, 3 June 2013 (UTC)


Boron emission spectrum, background credit:Teravolt,foreground credit:Alex Petty,mashup: Penyulap ;)
Here is my two minute noodles version. I'll have a look at the link, probably good to move this to the FX lab I figure.. Penyulap 00:20, 3 June 2013 (UTC)
continued from VP, (collapsed section copied from VP). Penyulap 00:35, 3 June 2013 (UTC)

Graphist opinion(s):

is something like this what you're after ? Penyulap 00:35, 3 June 2013 (UTC)

Yes! Awesome!!! --Marshallsumter (talk) 00:56, 3 June 2013 (UTC)
Despite my concerns regarding copyright (the foreground is simply copied from a copyrighted image) I mentioned in the original request on village pump: Could you please fix the background on the far right (the red sections)? There are some ugly discontinuities in the gradient. --Patrick87 (talk) 01:19, 3 June 2013 (UTC)
I am glad you're happy Marshallsumter, I didn't figure it would be that easy. The second one may have a 'dirtier' background, maybe Patrick87, you might like to help cleanup the images ?, you seem rather concerned about them. Penyulap 01:22, 3 June 2013 (UTC)
No, as said in the other discussion I currently don't have the time to do it currently. But as you said before you're quite good with raster graphics so I assume it won't be hard for you to fix it yourself. The second image has a transparent line of pixels at the bottom by the way. --Patrick87 (talk) 02:12, 3 June 2013 (UTC)
Yes, there is a poor crop thank you for noticing (the two images are different sizes also). I would like to ask Marshallsumter what resolution and aspect ratio they consider idea for their article, I could resize all the images in the article or just these two, whatever looks best. Penyulap 02:24, 3 June 2013 (UTC)
You took the data form alexpetty which does not include the relative intensity as information. Though I think for the color plot it is a must have to include the rel. int. Maybe I'll find some time this afternoon to have a look at this req... --McZusatz (talk) 07:20, 3 June 2013 (UTC)
I don't see why any reasonable person would extract the data from the image, rather they'd just use the actual data. The illustration is to describe the dataset, and I'd say it does a decent job of it. I would say the people working with these signatures would recognise them quite well by my description image. That said, if nothing else, I've certainly stirred a competitive spirit to do the task :D a win win win situation. :D Hoo Yeah ! (does a little dance) Penyulap 07:47, 3 June 2013 (UTC)
I finished the job and noticed the height is possibly too great. Should I reduce the height to 50%? Btw. I also uploaded sprectra for 96 other elements. For those of you who are interested can find them in Category:Atomic_spectra. --McZusatz (talk) 17:13, 3 June 2013 (UTC)
Wow, looks great! Actually I just checked how to display images ignoring their aspect ratio but it doesn't seem possible to do it in MediaWiki software. So probably it would be better to reduce the height. One thing I noticed: You should give sort key for Category:Atomic_spectra (from category description: "Please, keep the category sorted! [[Category:Atomic spectra|01]] for H, [[Category:Atomic spectra|02]] for He, etc.").
Out of curiosity: Which software / what data did you use to produce the spectra? --Patrick87 (talk) 17:43, 3 June 2013 (UTC)
See the permission tab for details on the source. I reuploaded them in 7430x1280 but any other height is fine. Just let me know. --McZusatz (talk) 17:57, 3 June 2013 (UTC)
Ah, I see, the thing I linked. Nice you actually used it Face-smile.svg. I think the height is fine now (it's easy to change height if needed anyway) and the width should be large enough to always provide good quality. One could even use CSS transforms to change height without modifying the file:
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You rock!!! Thank you for both beryllium and boron spectra! I'm putting them into blue astronomy and many others. I've also categorized them. --Marshallsumter (talk) 00:28, 4 June 2013 (UTC)
So you say "If I learned one lesson regarding communication with Penyulap it's avoiding all of those pointless discussions with him at all." dare I say you're doing a wonderful job of it Patrick87. I think this is a nice place to put the requesters quote:

You rock!!! Thank you for both beryllium and boron spectra! I'm putting them into blue astronomy and many others. I've also categorized them. --Marshallsumter (talk) 00:28, 4 June 2013 (UTC)

Woohoo, yeah ! (cough) I mean Gee, that's terrible, the images are in the articles despite your best attempts to prevent it, what is the world coming to ? Penyulap 02:12, 21 June 2013 (UTC)

long boring section takes too much room, archive. Penyulap 02:12, 21 June 2012 (UTC)

Featured Pictures[edit]

What are you up to? Why nominate an FP and oppose it? Why the quick-fire voting on the other nominations? Is this a game? Colin (talk) 11:07, 22 June 2013 (UTC)

the quick-fire is manual editing. It's just closing tabs and saving all at once. As for the little bird, he is slouching ! I'm not so sure people would get that about the bird, but then, many people are against the whole CGI manipulation as well, so who knows what will happen. As for the nomination, it doesn't matter what I vote, I'm just one person, that it fits into the policy is the reason it should be nominated, and that is different to my personal views. Maybe you are quite accustomed to seeing people support their own ideas, but you know, I'm a bit quirky. I have my ideas, the community ideas, maybe even your ideas, all inside of my head. Which part is put down depends on where. Same like unblocking someone you don't like or something, some people can't get their head around that. Meh. Penyulap 11:14, 22 June 2013 (UTC)

See, here is an example.

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File:Astoria Hotel SPB.jpg, featured[edit]

Voting period is over. Please don't add any new votes. Voting period ends on 24 Jun 2013 at 08:29:26 (UTC)
Visit the nomination page to add or modify image notes.

Astoria Hotel in Saint Petersburg


Confirmed results:
Result: 10 support, 0 oppose, 0 neutral → featured. /George Chernilevsky talk 14:00, 22 June 2013 (UTC)
This image will be added to the FP category: Places/Architecture

There are maybe one or two dozen comments of mine about that image which I could write, and in summarising them, well, it's a support. But out of all the comments, only one is funny ;) and so it gets written down, and all the yawning fall asleep stuff can be left out. get my idea ? Penyulap 11:21, 22 June 2013 (UTC)

Penyulap, whilst I understand that you are indeed satirising the FP process with that nomination, I have removed it from the FP list, and deleted the nomination page, so that it does not become an issue for a major part of this community. I do get your humour, and you bring it to my talk page regularly and which I have no problem in you doing so, but perhaps such a satire of the FP process, which I am sure you could do well, would be best suited to your userspace? How about that instead? If you would like to do it that way, I will undelete it, and move it to a userspace title that you suggest. russavia (talk) 11:29, 22 June 2013 (UTC)
Russavia, restore the damn page and remind yourself you shouldn't be telling other people how to vote. It is NOT a satire of the process or a critique of the process, I can show you one I did before, just so you know the difference. That image, which, thank you very much I helped to create, passed as a Featured image unanimously on arabic wikipedia. They aren't the same as commons, but there is a good chance that it meets all the requirements here. There is nothing wrong with the nomination. Go find a policy that TELLS me how I must vote. Bah ! Penyulap 11:32, 22 June 2013 (UTC)
here is a satire of the process have a look at the upload remarks. It was mentioned in some discussion that some dust spots were a problem, which I think is rather pedantic. Penyulap 11:41, 22 June 2013 (UTC)
I can't see where I stumbled over it, but the revision history shows someone marking one dust spot at a time, spots that are very difficult to even see. When removing them, I had to keep referring to the map that they had made. I don't know how a regular person can even see such things. Penyulap 11:47, 22 June 2013 (UTC)

The image is featured on another wiki, so there is no reason why it can't be here. The only thing you can be trying to do is tell me how to vote, or not to vote. I'm not telling a person a list of bullshit pedantic things like dust or composition related or anything else, I can be diplomatic. Penyulap 11:52, 22 June 2013 (UTC)

I noticed that it is featured on Arabic Wikipedia; I am not really sure what their standards are, and with no disrespect to the photographer, but the standards on Arabic Wikipedia obviously need to improve. I also know that your "oppose" is satirising the comments that one often sees at FP. However, in this case, the quality is poor and would have no chance in passing FP here, and it would be closed within minutes of me undeleting as such. It is because I do like your humour -- File:JetSlag.jpg for example is a humourous save of an image that would otherwise have to be deleted, and even get your humour in satirising the over-categorisation that often occurs on the project -- that I am not going to undelete the page, because I frankly do not wish for it to be used as an example against you. But a potential move into userspace I am open towards. russavia (talk) 11:53, 22 June 2013 (UTC)
So now you're saying that a Featured picture on another wiki cannot be nominated on commons. Great. The other thing that you are saying, is that if it DID get nominated, that I WAS RIGHT ALL ALONG. Great. Whatever. I wash my hands of your imposing your views in this matter. Penyulap 11:56, 22 June 2013 (UTC)
Can't see why you'd remove humorous red categories from a humour image, they go together like blowing your nose and (/on) silk. The point of the image is to be humorous, and so are the categories. Here is Russavia trying to impress everyone by trying to be serious Farm-Fresh emotion happy.png ah, what do I care, you're ok. You're being silly, but I can't say as I care. Penyulap 12:03, 22 June 2013 (UTC)
kindly remove the vote, and restore the page. I would like to assess whether commons folk can read the guidelines about manipulated images, or if they are as (#*&%#) as the people on en.wiki and the sailor image. Penyulap 12:06, 22 June 2013 (UTC)
If I must point out, there is method to my madness. Assessing the reading levels of commons FP contributors, which I don't hold in particularly high regard generally it's true, but I wanted to see if they dislike the idea of CGI to the level of paranoia, or can read and interpret the rules properly, and if so, how they interpret those rules. Otherwise, what is the point to nominate the sailor image here, so nominate another pic to see. Either way, my 'vote' is correct, even if it is masked in humour, ah fuck it. Don't restore the page, there is no way the poor photographer would forgive me. It's a FP, it's a damn good image, but you're all F'd in the head about what is nice and what is not and there is no helping you all. whatever. I have better things to do. Penyulap 12:17, 22 June 2013 (UTC)

Strömsberg[edit]

Thank for your help. I uploaded a version here without any perspective and tilt correction http://www.flickr.com/photos/62405357@N03/9115462262/sizes/l/. Maybe more easy to use for a new version. Best regards --ArildV (talk) 09:29, 23 June 2013 (UTC)

You're welcome
Oooh, hehe, I was having trouble downloading the image because of the size, well, this should make the problem bigger at least Farm-Fresh emotion smile.png. Penyulap 09:43, 23 June 2013 (UTC)
Strömsberg bruk june 2013
Ok I have rotated the version which was on commons, I cut and paste the filepage, I better let you fix the larger one, I guess that is the one you might use for your nomination. Don't be crediting me with anything though, my work is too trivial, 'De minimus' they call it. Just fill out the page and good luck with the votes ! Penyulap 11:29, 23 June 2013 (UTC)
Thanks for your help. I uploaded a new version, based on your suggestions.--ArildV (talk) 15:12, 23 June 2013 (UTC)
wonderful ! I imagine it will pass with flying colours, your images are all so incredibly impressive ! Penyulap 15:15, 23 June 2013 (UTC)

A barnstar for you![edit]

Barnstar of Humour Hires.png The Barnstar of Good Humor
With this pearler you have more than earned this. russavia (talk) 19:50, 25 June 2013 (UTC)
I was serious ! ;)
Many thanks for the barnstar ! Penyulap 19:57, 25 June 2013 (UTC)


process for de-adminship[edit]

History shows that it is in fact exactly the process for de-adminship as has been used in the past.Geni (talk) 22:38, 25 June 2013 (UTC)

You've skipped some steps, which would set a precedent that every admin would have to deal with in future, why such a rush Geni, if it has enough merit, it would do fine. Otherwise you just make a mess. Penyulap 22:42, 25 June 2013 (UTC)
precedent already exists Commons:Requests and votes/Stahlkocher (de-adminship).Geni (talk) 22:48, 25 June 2013 (UTC)
How is that a precedent ? Penyulap 22:51, 25 June 2013 (UTC)

RE: hey[edit]

Perhaps you should entertain the idea that wikis tend to attract schemers and manipulators. Perhaps you should use your intuition more often. Perhaps you're trusting those you should distrust and distrusting those who you should trust. --Michaeldsuarez (talk) 23:42, 25 June 2013 (UTC)

Entertain the idea ? I'm a devotee. The failure of the project will be based upon the premise.
I guess the wisest people say 'trust no-one', hmmm, it's true, and it's kind of dark and sad too. There are some people I do trust, hmm, I guess I'm often wanting to enlarge that circle of friends. Michael, CHEER UP ! you're making me all gloomy too. Penyulap 23:52, 25 June 2013 (UTC)

I've sent you an Email. --Michaeldsuarez (talk) 00:34, 26 June 2013 (UTC)

got it. :) I like messages. I especially like old fashioned letters in the post. (sigh) Penyulap 00:55, 26 June 2013 (UTC)
I can't get through to you, so I'll stop trying. We disagree. --Michaeldsuarez (talk) 01:09, 26 June 2013 (UTC)
I do want to understand your ideas Michael. You're my friend, and I want to understand. Even if I can't get my head around it, I hope this doesn't effect our friendship. I'm an idiot most days of the week, and most hours of the day. Penyulap 09:55, 26 June 2013 (UTC)
"Friendship" is too strong of a word. I don't believe in social networking. Becoming friends with people that you've never met, especially anonymous persons, is dangerous. There are people out there who will use you, abuse you, and betray you. They'll take advantage of your trust and your desire to make and remain friends. I don't want to see you hurt. I don't want to see you do anything that you might one day regret. For your own good, please stop thinking of others on this website as being your "friends". --Michaeldsuarez (talk) 12:53, 26 June 2013 (UTC)
Hey, I don't want to see me hurt either ! ;) yes, you are right. That is true, but on the other hand, it's kind of difficult to not have any friends at all, just colleagues. Being professional is cool, that's true. I just look a bit to real-life and see how a little trust doesn't go astray, but improves things considerably. Penyulap 13:00, 26 June 2013 (UTC)

AN/U discussion[edit]

Commons:Administrators'_noticeboard/User_problems#Totally_lost_with_User:Penyulap – I'm letting you know since Patrick87 can't alert you him- or herself due to you kicking him or her off of your talk page. --Michaeldsuarez (talk) 02:47, 26 June 2013 (UTC)

Thank you kindly Michael. Penyulap 09:49, 26 June 2013 (UTC)
You're welcome. --Michaeldsuarez (talk) 12:29, 26 June 2013 (UTC)

New Requests[edit]

finished map

Hello :-) how are you doing? hope all is well ;-). I have requested the translation of a New map, i have also another favor to ask, and i'm in no rush so take your time. Can you create an svg version of this map? we have a similar french version that i translated a while ago but for some reason it didn't save, I personally think this Arabic version looks better than the french, or do you think we can cut it short and upload this old map? also do you think i can upload the 1st photo here under an art license? Plz replay in my discussion page, Thank you--باسم (talk) 20:31, 26 June 2013 (UTC)

✓ I finish one map, and comment at your talkpage. Penyulap 21:23, 26 June 2013 (UTC)
Not necessary svg, i just said that because its easier to load taking into consideration the messed servers of ar, wiki :-), if u think a png or jpg or gif version would be better, then its ok too, and thanks alot for the map :-)--باسم (talk) 05:41, 27 June 2013 (UTC)
Karte Eroberung Konstantinopels 1453.svg
You're welcome. There are the blank maps on commons, and good quality. I suggest to use one of those. For the art license, I think there is nothing to copyright there, it could be copied onto commons without a problem, however it is of such poor quality there seems no reason. If a complete list of arabic labels were made, that should be enough to make the request easy. They can be added to a blank map.

I can't remember, did I do a similar blank version of a battlemap before ? Penyulap 08:17, 29 June 2013 (UTC)

Croatian image[edit]

Hi! Please see Commons:Graphic_Lab/Illustration_workshop#Correct_capitalization_in_Croatian_Water_cycle_diagram WhisperToMe (talk) 14:44, 28 June 2013 (UTC)

  • He's appreciate of the help :) - Kubura posted further feedback and I reposted it on the thread WhisperToMe (talk) 04:47, 29 June 2013 (UTC)

More eyes needed[edit]

Hi, I noticed you're an admin here who's been active recently, so I'd appreciate it if you'd take a look at Commons:Deletion requests/File:Burr by Gore Vidal - first edition cover.jpg. That nomination of an image consisting only of brief, unadorned text is completely without merit legally or under Commons policy (it would undoubtedly be speedy closed on en.wiki, but I've noticed Commons deletion nominations tend to hang around for a very long time) and has been personalized by the nominator for some reason. Whether or not you care to comment or do anything else about the deletion nomination, I think this is a completely inappropriate statement to include in a deletion nomination. Thanks for your time, Postdlf (talk) 16:44, 2 July 2013 (UTC)

I took a look at it, and went to mark it as PD-text, however, it is already marked correctly as PD-text. Generally DR's are left open a little while, and in this case it shall give several people the opportunity to tell whatsisname that he is wrong and you are perfectly correct.
Btw, I'm not an admin, I do a lot of work stopping trolls that's true, I'm basically troll anti-matter, working for the project rather than against it. When little trolls come into contact with me they are usually annihilated, but I'm not, because of my larger size. Being an admin wouldn't actually help me, it would just give them extra things to shout about, I don't mind that, but what I do care about is it would cause people to load me up with a lot of work to do. Poor INeverCry comes to mind, if there is any deletion work to be done, give it to them and tell them I suggested you do so on account of they are so lazy ;) If you have problems with other users, come to me, if it's deletions, INeverCry, Fastily, or Russavia are all pretty fast and 24/7. I can do closes in circumstances where I feel it's a keep, or it's a discussion which doesn't need admin tools, I'm excellent at judging consensus, even in the future quite often. Penyulap 17:29, 2 July 2013 (UTC)
Ah, okay, I saw you participating in an AN discussion and assumed. I've been an admin on en.wiki for many years now but haven't looked into the process here. Honestly, I've never seen that kind of claim before that DC's raising, nor one as plainly wrong on the law and policy, nor do I know why he seems to have targeted me personally. Postdlf (talk) 18:04, 2 July 2013 (UTC)
You're not the first to think so, many people have suggested it too, but I don't care for any of the work here, though, I don't mind making amusing images and Barnstars and saving the best contributors from losing hope where I can. en.wiki, zomg what a mess of a place that is. I simply am incapable of understanding the lynch-mob mentality of USA citizens, it's foreign to me, a completely alien concept, but it is so pervasive there. I'm better off working here, or building other websites to replace the disaster that en.wiki is. Penyulap 18:16, 2 July 2013 (UTC)

Vandalism by User:IPhone and Chairman Mao[edit]

This user vandalized my talk page an other users' talk page. See here.--Earth100 (talk) 02:26, 6 July 2013 (UTC)

in progress. Penyulap 02:34, 6 July 2013 (UTC)
✓ blocked by INeverCry. A fast way to have a sysop block an account it to post a section at Commons:Administrators' noticeboard/Blocks and protections, there are a lot of people watching that page. Penyulap 02:42, 6 July 2013 (UTC)
Thanks for telling me that page. I really hate User:IPhonehurricane95 as he has made the account: User:Earth200 which has lead me to be accused of sockpuppeting on Wikipedia.--Earth100 (talk) 11:58, 6 July 2013 (UTC)
You're welcome. I like to assist all editors to find the things they are looking for, like a human google but better. I'm glad I could help. Penyulap 12:23, 6 July 2013 (UTC)

File:Cry-wolf.png[edit]

Any reasonable motivation for Latuff to add side curls to that image, other than to express his indiscriminate spiteful hatred of everything and everyone Jewish, does not leap to mind. Certainly Liftarn hasn't been able to come up with anything plausible... AnonMoos (talk) 03:22, 6 July 2013 (UTC)

well, after you said 'side curls', I google it. There are lots of pictures of women's hair on the first page of google, along with lots of talk about the tradition of jewish people to have 'side curls' and what that means and where it comes from and so on. I expect it is possible that the artist was portraying a jewish person in the cartoon, and so they drew them in the most characteristic way so that people would recognise the character as a jewish person. Penyulap 03:45, 6 July 2013 (UTC)
The logic of the cartoon required him to draw an Israeli settler. The addition of male side-curls (peyot), which are only adopted by a minority of Jews generally noted more for their religious zeal, with no particular correlation with Zionist settler activity, is the typical Carlos Latuff added spiteful bigoted racist touch... AnonMoos (talk) 02:27, 7 July 2013 (UTC)
Any stereotype has to be essentialist or it wouldn't be recognisable. Essentialism has nothing to do with racism. Penyulap 02:36, 7 July 2013 (UTC)
You may be interested in my proposal to remove offensive images that attack minorities here (permalink), so far it has no support, and a some opposition, mostly from Fae. Penyulap 12:56, 7 July 2013 (UTC)

COM:AN/U[edit]

Your comments here are not in any way helpful. -mattbuck (Talk) 06:34, 6 July 2013 (UTC)

I agree. If you like to help, please talk in the topic of the discussion.--Earth100 (talk) 12:02, 6 July 2013 (UTC)
could you be any more vague ?
The whole discussion was worth closing about the same time Fae opened it, if you have problems with ten page time-wasting threads, perhaps you should talk to Fae, the person who deliberately and repeatedly starts them. Penyulap 12:11, 6 July 2013 (UTC)
On the other hand, maybe all admins should get a fire-house pole in their house and a red flashing light on top of their computer like is on top of fire-trucks, labelled 'someone disagrees with Fae'. Just watch how many people all chip in and lend a hand to NOT CARING when the thread is closed as no action needed. Penyulap 12:32, 6 July 2013 (UTC)

timewaster thread at anu[edit]

Commons:Administrators'_noticeboard/User_problems#Penyulap's use of Cry-wolf.png cartoon as a personal attack – There's now a discussion about restricting your ability to freely express yourself. --Michaeldsuarez (talk) 12:07, 7 July 2013 (UTC)

Thank you Michael. Penyulap 12:28, 7 July 2013 (UTC)
You're welcome. I'm asked another user for his opinion, and I believe that you should consider his response. --Michaeldsuarez (talk) 13:08, 7 July 2013 (UTC)
Thank you Michael. There are too many points made to say if I agree or disagree on the whole, but it is well thought out and quite funny in parts. Penyulap 13:17, 7 July 2013 (UTC)
I can't help but think they may feel a bit embarrassed if ever they find out 'whatever nonsense' I am talking about elsewhere. Penyulap 13:28, 7 July 2013 (UTC)
I believe that you should listen to PinkAmpersand's wisdom. You should tone your comments down. --Michaeldsuarez (talk) 15:19, 7 July 2013 (UTC)
It's always taken a certain amount of reading to understand just what it is I am doing and why, I really don't try to cater or appeal to those who don't stop and think. I figure I set the bar in the right place. Just about anyone can read a little, think a little, or ask a little and they'll find understanding as you do Michael. Penyulap 15:30, 7 July 2013 (UTC)
Alright, I was simply offering you the best advice that I could find in order to help you, but I won't force change upon you, and I don't believe that that you should be banned or restricted for refusing to change. --Michaeldsuarez (talk) 02:10, 8 July 2013 (UTC)
I understand and I thank you for your concern, it means a lot to me. About my tone, the thing is, not all 'trolling' is bad. Sometimes it takes on to know one, or like on that movie 'catch me if you can' it takes a forger to catch all the forgers. So everytime I see a few clowns jump into their clown car with the intention of running down an innocent person, don't be surprised if one more clown shouts 'wait for me' and jumps in there with them, and just before they run over their victim, the biggest clown says 'here, let me help' and grabs the steering wheel; and then gosh darn it, they always seem to end up hitting a tree, a wall, a ditch, just about anything except the innocent person, how about that eh ? So acting like a clown may at first look like every other clown out there, and it's bad to be a clown or look like a clown, but if you look careful, and I know you do, you'll see that things stay a lot more mellow and calm in the end. Actions speak louder than words. You look at who stands with me and who backs me up, it's all the good people who look beyond appearances, and who dislikes me, people who judge by appearance alone, and TROLLS. God don't they hate me, and why wouldn't they. Artists, if you ask them, will say yeah, Peny is one of us, and ask if they like me and they'll say yeah, peny is ok. Ask the catters, the admins, the newbie helpers, the bot operators, and it's all the same story. Ask the trolls and they'll all nod in unison to the question is peny one of you, but ask if they like me and all their little heads will shake in unison. They don't like me. While they all serve themselves I serve the community doing whatever it is I do best, art, code, whatever, all for the community. I know I look stupid most all of the time, well, there is no helping it, I guess I was made that way. But we have to work with what we've got. Penyulap 02:28, 8 July 2013 (UTC)

signatures[edit]

and stop stupid edit-warring.198.199.68.100 18:30, 7 July 2013 (UTC)

Hooray ! you found the tilde key ! Penyulap 18:32, 7 July 2013 (UTC)

Can you please use Template:Unsigned instead of censoring and frustrating others? Censorship isn't helpful. --Michaeldsuarez (talk) 01:31, 8 July 2013 (UTC)
Hi Michael, yes, of course, actually, what I often do and what I think I have probably done even today is just write a full signature for newbies or people who forget to sign. The thing is, in that particular case, there was comment after comment that wasn't signed, and the person or persons doing that was no newbie(s). Their edits had plenty of links and wikimarkup, and it was rude of them not to sign their own comments when clearly they knew how to do so. Rather than follow them and be their butler, which honestly I don't mind doing for sincere people, I just reverted. It got the message across just fine, and one comment was returned with a signature. I am sorry it cause you inconvenience, and I don't know if all the comments were the same person or not. The comment that was returned was the most recent, so maybe they wanted you to read it, it was also the most pressing as it preceded my own, and could have been mistaken for my own, and so obviously wasn't to be tolerated. Sorry about that Michael. Penyulap 01:42, 8 July 2013 (UTC)
You don't have the authority to remove comments merely because they're unsigned. As far as I'm aware, policy doesn't grant users such powers. Punishing an anon's "rudeness" with censorship isn't right. It isn't your job or duty to reeducate (i.e. forcing a change in behavior) users by penalizing them. Fæ wants to reeducate you through penalties (i.e. placing restriction on your speech in order to change how you speak and how often you speak). You have to understand that you can't force an individual to behave in the manner which you desire. You have to understand what freedom is. Freedom comes with responsibilities, and protecting the freedom of others and oneself means doing inconvenient work, such as using "Template:Unsigned" or working for the income needed to pay the Internet bill. --Michaeldsuarez (talk) 02:08, 8 July 2013 (UTC)
Yes, you are quite right, and it's not something I usually do, but I can't imagine that if someone decides to never sign their comments that it wouldn't cause a stir, signing comments is expected by the majority, and some things get to be pretty much policy. I should have returned the comments, but then again, after seeing three comments by someone who can quite clearly sign if they want to, well... Penyulap 02:34, 8 July 2013 (UTC)
Here is the guideline, 'Signing your posts on talk pages, both in the article and non-article namespaces, is required, and facilitates discussion by helping identify the author of a particular comment.' from Commons:Signatures. There is another guideline at Commons:Talk page guidelines Penyulap 02:38, 8 July 2013 (UTC)

here is one here is a different one where I fix it because the signature has no link for INC to follow, which makes it difficult to help] that's from this week, I dunno, but I do a lot of them generally. Penyulap 01:57, 8 July 2013 (UTC)

The ongoing involved attack against Ottava Rima @ Commons:ANU/Disruptive editing by Ottava Rima - 5 July 2013 - opinions[edit]

I have removed your post (previously removed by Kaldari).[3] Please read en:Watermelon stereotype, en:Scrub Me Mama with a Boogie Beat and en:Blackface to understand why this cartoon may be considered offensive. --Walter Siegmund (talk) 16:00, 8 July 2013 (UTC)

it may be a good idea to link to those from the file description or some such. It's the first funny image that comes up when you search for 'site:commons.wikimedia.org melon' on google images, or possibly 'site:commons.wikimedia.org watermelon' which is the most commonly visually recognised type of melon. {sigh} I guess there is a wealth of prejudice and bigotry and racism to learn about in regards to United States history. Penyulap 16:16, 8 July 2013 (UTC)
Hi Penyulap. I would appreciate if you considered removing the text after {sigh}. I do not think it is helpful nor mellow. Thanks in advance. --Slaunger (talk) 12:11, 9 July 2013 (UTC)
Why ? are you saying that I'm not ignorant and don't have anything to learn, there are a few issues that I am not entirely familiar with, in addition to those Walter has been kind enough to point out, like
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Did you know that more children are being trafficked for sex in Texas during one month than there are women killed in domestic violence in an entire year ?

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Films like Amistad I understand, and they speak of the horror and terror of slavery in the United states, but films like Gangs of New York are a complete mystery to me, I just can't understand or follow the thinking in a lot of the movie, same as some of the groups on en.wiki, like why they stand by and allow injustice. Commons is a lot different, because of the dynamic multicultural nature of the editor base, so it's easier to relate to, I feel quite at home here. But for you to say I have nothing to learn is just plain wrong. In Indonesia, watermelon is a common decorative dish at celebrations, I would dare say it may be more common than the three-tiered wedding cake, the idea that it is a symbol of prejudice is very strange indeed, I mean, there are racial tensions in Indonesia and Asia, but not based on things like the colour of a person's skin, that's just nuts. No, there is a lot to learn, I don't see knowledge as TLDR, even if it does go on forever. I don't want to make another social faux pas with my friends, no thank you.

In ten minutes, you can find all this, and that's before going near the 500 nations that were exterminated by the genocidal expansion of 'pioneers' across the 'american west' or the lynchings. I would say the comment "I guess there is a wealth of prejudice and bigotry and racism to learn about in regards to United States history." is a polite underestimate, unless your speaking to an apologist of course. Penyulap 19:23, 9 July 2013 (UTC)

I appears that we have put different meanings in what you wrote after the {sigh}. The way I read the comment it appeared to me that you were relating WSiegmund to prejudice and bigotry and racism because he is an American. On the other hand, as you explain it, it was a genuine interest to learn more of the dark sides of American history. My apologies for the misunderstanding. As I have told you previously - maybe by E-mail, due to the fact that many of the Commons users do not have English as our native language, we, the non-native speaking often miss subtle details in the language. And when we discuss with native speakers, there is an asymmetry, because we are not equally skilled in communicating in a language, which is not natural for one of the parties. Often this gives rise to misunderstandings, such as these. --Slaunger (talk) 21:46, 9 July 2013 (UTC)

pigeon barnstar?[edit]

Hallo Penyulap, do you have/know a barnstar for a very active pigeon author? (fancy pigeons) He already wrote articles to all breeds of Czech origin and is still working... (80+ since May) --PigeonIP (talk) 11:22, 9 July 2013 (UTC)

I shall look into it, though, just in case other people want to do it also, please put a request at the Commons:Graphic Lab because if we get a few Barnstars made, that would be even better, is this ok ? Penyulap 18:18, 9 July 2013 (UTC)
OK. I didn't know the Graphic Lab. Thanks for introducing. --PigeonIP (talk) 14:59, 10 July 2013 (UTC)

Commons:Editing restrictions[edit]

Hi Peny. I just noticed that your entry on this page was out of date. I have updated the table, and am notifying you here as requested at the top of the page. --MichaelMaggs (talk) 17:21, 9 July 2013 (UTC)

Thanks Michael, I'm sure it's quite important to badge of shame people in such a transparent manner. We all appreciate your efforts in this regard. Keep up the great work. Penyulap 18:17, 9 July 2013 (UTC)
I am very sorry - Anything I do is open to misinterpretation it seems. The page incorrectly specified that you were still under a restriction, and I updated it to make it clear that you are not. Please revert if you preferred it as it was, and delete this section. --MichaelMaggs (talk) 18:55, 9 July 2013 (UTC)
Nonsense MichaelMaggs, I am not aware of a single person who has mis-interpreted your actions, I can ask about if you like, but when you're being so incredibly obvious, is there really any need to doubt yourself ? Penyulap 19:10, 9 July 2013 (UTC)
Why are expired restrictions even posted except to extend some kind of black mark or try to shame an individual? If the page is used for administrative purpose, there is no purpose. If the page is used for something besides an administrative purpose, why do we even have such a page? Ottava Rima (talk) 19:48, 9 July 2013 (UTC)

A barnstar for you![edit]

Barnstar of Diligence Hires.png The Barnstar of Diligence
Thank you for the most thorough, assiduous, and friendly help I have ever received on Wiki. I am still flabbergasted at the level of help you just provided. — Ludopedia(Talk) 05:14, 11 July 2013 (UTC)
Thank you and you're welcome. Penyulap 06:36, 11 July 2013 (UTC)


COM:AN/U[edit]

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-mattbuck (Talk) 08:11, 14 July 2013 (UTC)

The dispute here is someone who wants to use my signature on his remarks at the graphics lab. There is a nice neat {resolved} template I use which, if they'd listen, is not simply used for archiving, what I've picked up from the established artists is we seem to use resolved or a tick to say something is no longer urgent. After that, other artists still add and improve the images some more, that's the usual thing. This dope who doesn't want to add the {section resolved} template to the sections himself, wants to hijack my own remarks. Thing is, there are HEAPS of examples where other people have used both templates in the same discussion, one after another. Anyhow this guy won't listen, and it hasn't occurred to him he can add his own template with his own signature along next to, above, or below mine, or anywhere in the discussion. I gave him more than one section on his talkpage warning about him changing my remarks. Penyulap 06:58, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

A new image[edit]

Hello, how are you doing :-) its been a while and i was busy on ar. wiki and couldn't answer back about the map of Constantinople. I don't remember i asked for a similar battle map before, this blank map is great and i will add the Arabic tags as soon as i'm done with a few things. Right now i have a new request i applied here can you do something about it plz? thank you--باسم (talk) 12:21, 14 July 2013 (UTC)

Well I can, but as you can see from the section above, some genius at the Graphics lab is unable to use his own name to sign his own templates he alone wants to use, and insists on forging my signature. Mattbuck, who tells me to 'fuck off' if I want to improve commons has blocked me on commons. So even if I was unblocked, I wouldn't be using the lab, where some genius insists on forging my signature on hideous templates. When I have time, I may look into it and upload it over on ar.wiki for you, but I'm not so sure.
After I marked a section resolved here, to indicate it was no longer urgent, but too soon to archive, someone else did extra work on the image, you know, even though the requester was happy, and then an editor managed to mark the section for archiving WITHOUT the necessity to forge my signature, maybe that requires some amount of technical expertise, who knows. Now if someone could ask McZusatz how he managed to do that with his own signature, and then explain it to this guy who according to the edit summary doesn't know what to do to get it to archive, WITHOUT forging MY signature, well, that would make so much common sense that it would be too much for some small minds to comprehend. Penyulap 07:20, 15 July 2013 (UTC)
I'm sorry for all the trouble you have been through on commons. Don't worry about the picture, if you feel like not doing it now or soon, no problem at all. Wish you all the best in overcoming this--باسم (talk) 09:24, 18 July 2013 (UTC)
Thank you for understanding me باسم, there are new projects popping up everyday and it is inevitable that commons and wikipedia shall be replaced. Our work won't go to waste, today I have been busy absorbing coding skills to help build the new sites, I think copying the work from one site to the next shall be easy. Moving the brightest, kindest, most productive editors across will be even easier, for they shall move themselves. Peace. Penyulap 09:32, 18 July 2013 (UTC)

reply[edit]

Hello. I am not at all happy with that solution that you proposed. The thing is that Ceha does not seem to want to negotiate, and I not really interested in edit-warring. He also is not a guy who is interested in discussing problem - I have seen him bog people down for countless pages just because he is persistent. With edits such as these, [4] , we can see that he does not have good intentions, that his only intention is to push for a map that shows more croats and less serbs. What might be possible solutions to this problem that you can think of? (Lilic (talk) 15:33, 15 July 2013 (UTC)).

given recent events, I can only assist by email. Penyulap 19:34, 15 July 2013 (UTC)
Why? Isn't it more transparent to communicate on here? (Lilic (talk) 16:31, 16 July 2013 (UTC)).

I am sad[edit]

I appealed against block on you, but the admin simply turned down my request. Hindustanilanguage (talk) 15:18, 16 July 2013 (UTC).

Thank you for your kind concern. Penyulap 10:26, 17 July 2013 (UTC)
Glad to see you back; I'm still recovering from my travel fatigues. JKadavoor Jee 06:59, 21 July 2013 (UTC)
Thank you. I am confident that you enjoyed yourself... Penyulap 07:07, 21 July 2013 (UTC)

FYI (100+2 articles, remember?)[edit]

[5] maybe a head-up? --PigeonIP (talk) 19:04, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

Thank you, thank you, thank you. I am happy to know. I wish my words were better. I am happy you like them. Penyulap 01:51, 26 July 2013 (UTC)
much better than mine could ever have been ;) --PigeonIP (talk) 10:17, 26 July 2013 (UTC)
Thank you. Let me know if you need more awards. (but not academy awards, see the next section) Penyulap 15:16, 26 July 2013 (UTC)

My work sux[edit]

See the history of w:Academy Award. The FOP USA issue may be heating up so we may need a better image than mine. Yellow on black may not be the best, I just chose it quickly, and your font collection may be better. In other words I think yours is bigger than mine. Feel free to overwrite that file I doubt we need more than one page of versions. We can seek consensus on which to keep on top. Other projects can fork their own if they don't like ours.--Canoe1967 (talk) 15:04, 26 July 2013 (UTC)

Oh my, you've put that image into an article ? hmm, I don't know what to think.
Yes, I can do images of any kind, yes I have plenty of fonts, and the embargo has an exception for awards, however I'm sure that the academy award was not what I had in mind when I wrote the exception about awards. I could almost give you an award for making me smile though ;) Penyulap 15:12, 26 July 2013 (UTC)
No problem. I may fumble through it myself. I just had to revert someone that removed it.--Canoe1967 (talk) 17:45, 26 July 2013 (UTC)

Money job[edit]

I was in w:Vulcan, Alberta recently, days after their annual Trek event. I took a picture of their photo op sign that is overdue for repair. File:Vulcan visitor centre photo op 203.JPG They may pay a couple of bucks for a new image that can replace the old one. I don't know what size would work best or how to transfer it to the plywood. If you talk to a local sign company they may help with ideas. You may wish to grab a copy for your hard drive in case any dork that is stalking my uploads tries to delete it.--Canoe1967 (talk) 23:29, 27 July 2013 (UTC)

My spider-sense is warning me of another tabasco fiasco ;) Penyulap 03:47, 28 July 2013 (UTC)
You could email and ask first. http://www.townofvulcan.ca/contact-us/ Want me to mail you the coffee cup, empty olive jar, or the sealed bottle of sauce I still have? Pick one? They may just send you a postcard with the Vulcan postmark and that may be nice even. Up to you, I just thought I would mention it.--Canoe1967 (talk) 04:12, 28 July 2013 (UTC)
No that's ok, I would prefer something that is human rights related, award related, (heeheh lol, not that kind of award) and preferable a request that no other editor alive could possibly do :) that's the kind of work I love to do.
Though at the moment, my main art computer is offline and I'm down to a live-cd, it'll be fixed in a jiffy though so don't worry. I was installing network analysis and packet inspection tools and things went horribly wrong. (although not so wrong that I won't be able to fix it in time) Penyulap 04:19, 28 July 2013 (UTC)
Here is a link to a .dae submarine file. I lost the one I made but had this one that someone else did from the same tutorial. Dunno if you care to look at it or not.--Canoe1967 (talk) 20:36, 28 July 2013 (UTC)
Argh! I'm not there yet, I spent hours yesterday doing data recovery from the crashed computer system. 120 thousand files plus and 130 something gigs of JUST 'personal documents', nothing of the operating system files, just pics, art, components, videos, all that stuff that goes in the 'my documents' folder on windoze machines. I'm amazed there was so much, it struck me how you forget so much and can't think of very much inside your mind at once. There is so much in your brain but so little would ever come to mind if you had to make a list. My homicidal robot is back up, I think he only stopped long enough to gloat, the little #$*%^$. He's working as if nothing at all happened. Should take longer to restore the art software and operating system, and these things always take longer whenever there is trolling. Sometimes I wonder just how productive I'd be in a better working environment. I can understand why so many competent professional people avoid this project in their spare time, it's a shame it's so mismanaged. (sigh) Penyulap 04:10, 29 July 2013 (UTC)

Suggestions[edit]

  • Whoever loves discipline loves knowledge, but he who hates correction is stupid. Proverbs 12:1 (regardless of if you believe in God, these are wise words)

I realize that sometimes suggestions are not wanted. I realize that even when suggestions are wanted, the vast majority of the time they are ignored by the recipient. However, I hold out for the small percentage of the time that they are received, and taken to heart. Would you be open to some constructive criticism? I read over one AN/U thread about you, and I think I have some things to add which might help ease your stay here on Commons.

Of course, in the meantime, if you have suggestions for me, I will listen to them. Magog the Ogre (talk) (contribs) 03:00, 29 July 2013 (UTC)

  • It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society. Krishnamurti. These are relevant wise words because I am very well adjusted to the community of established artists, content creators, categorizers, good admins, newbies who want to help and so on. The sole sector of the community who I don't care for are the pathological who pursue selfish goals, seeking to use the project as their own virtual tyranny.

I feel quite comfortable on commons, I have many good friends and colleagues who, like me, pursue the goals of the project. As in RL I appeal to the wise and competent while repelling the evil. The people I don't appeal to, if any, are invariably working towards their own selfish goals. Sure, people can always use more evil friends, possibly I should put more effort into that. I can think of a number of cyber-bullies offhand that I don't get along with. You're welcome to use email if you have any advice. I look forward to chatting with you. Maybe there is something all good editors can do so that evil can triumph, ...or maybe nothing at all. No, but seriously, I'm all ears. Send me a note. Penyulap 04:10, 29 July 2013 (UTC)

As for advice from me to you, I have none. You're not in my face name-calling in my blocklog, you're not blatantly trying to badge of shame me as transparent-to-all revenge, I don't see brilliant contributors complaining that you're making their work intolerable, so I pay no attention to you. Sorry about that. Maybe fashion advice. Now you're an admin, don't dress like a pimp before you site down at the computer to log into commons, consider a nice cape and mask instead. I dunno, you see, people who aren't in my face I'm like, I have no clue about. ;) Penyulap 04:19, 29 July 2013 (UTC)

Need to know :)[edit]

Hi! I just read a comment you made a few days ago on the De-Admin request. Under the section history of slippery road surface sign you said you haven't noticed me mentioning the problem with sort of editing... Can't say that I can follow you, what did I miss? Face-smile.svg Thanks for your time. --Hedwig in Washington (mail?) 05:13, 31 July 2013 (UTC)

File:Aston Martin DB7 early model.jpg[edit]

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High Contrast (talk) 14:29, 31 July 2013 (UTC)

Courtesy note[edit]

To avoid derailing the de-adminship discussion further, I have taken my concerns about your conduct in that discussion to the discussion talk page. I will make it clear to you here though. My choice to participate in a de-adminship discussion does not give you the right to call me a liar (without evidence), to accuse me of canvassing and collusion (again without evidence) and to make outright threats to me about my "future" here at Commons. You have now moved on to disparagement of people because of their national origins (and you didn't even get that right). You have had the chance to have your say - at length. How about letting others have their say without the constant harrassment. If your case is as strong as you think it is, you shouldn't need to act in the manner in which you have. -- Mattinbgn (talk) 21:18, 31 July 2013 (UTC)

I haven't called you a liar or a canvasser, show me where I have, if there is some misunderstanding on your part, I will be glad to clarify it for you.
I think you have become far too upset over this, it's quite obvious because you are falsely accusing me of disparaging people because of their national origins, which is false and insulting.
It would help if you can post a few quotes here, so I can discuss it with you. I can hardly just retract or change every comment in the entire discussion, that would be unreasonable.
Actually, that would be kind of impossible to do without removing the entire de-adminship discussion, which would be against process. That would actually be disruptive ;) Penyulap 21:42, 31 July 2013 (UTC)
I just had a look at your remark, I recall you were the one making false accusations about me. You see here, you're calling me a liar. No wait, you're saying I am calling other people liars and giving the wrong diff for the false accusation.
"I am also deeply concerned with the motivation behind this request for de-sysopping and even more concerned about the highly confrontational approach taken by Fry1989 and Penyulap in this discussion. The need to respond aggressively and at length to every dissenting opinion (including calling those with differing opinions "liars"!) makes me very suspicious about the (lack of) good faith being shown by those two editors and the (lack of) objectivity in the case they have brought forth."
I don't actually care that you call me a liar or whatever it was, I guess I could care less if I put in effort, but you say I'm calling people liars without giving a diff. The diff you give in that comment is a diff of a DIFFERENT editor, so where you make false claims like that, and give a diff which is clearly inappropriate it's easy for everyone to see. Hence, I don't care that you make false accusations against me at that point.
About the 'future' stuff, that's just voting in admin elections. That is what people are SUPPOSED to do, to look at the attitudes and history of a candidate and see what they stand for, what they do, and then decide if you think they would make a good admin. Bidgee misused the tools to gain the upper hand in a dispute. This has already been stated and verified by a great many people. I too am amongst them and do not think that if you are an admin in the middle of an edit war in the edit summary alone with one other editor, I don't think you should use admin tools to win your stupid argument. That is not what tools are for. Many people don't think that is what tools are for and I am one of them. There are also many people who think that tools ARE there to be misused and that is what tools are for. There are many people who think Bidgee is doing a great job and look at what he did and support that. I don't think it is unreasonable to assume that people who support Bidgee's behavior, if they were given tools god help us, would do exactly the same thing. Of course they would, they are saying there's nothing wrong with it. They are saying that Bidgee is a good admin.
On what planet, in what policy, does it say that I have to vote for such people ? Where does it say I MUST vote in people who think there is nothing wrong with misusing admin tools ? So of course I'm bloody well not going to vote for them, I'll tell you right now, I'll tell you tomorrow, I'll tell you any time you ask me. Tell you next year if we are both still here, and if I ever see you up for a RfA after saying that Bidgee is a shining example to all admins everywhere then of course I'm going to vote against you, that is the point. That is what voting is for. Durr. Penyulap 22:11, 31 July 2013 (UTC)

99of9 closure[edit]

You missed a trick by not demanding that X be a real number. -mattbuck (Talk) 13:36, 2 August 2013 (UTC)

Wrongly placed comment[edit]

Hi, just wanted to say I'm sorry for this mistake - it seems that for some reason I thought these were two separate comments, hadn't seen that your first paragraph wasn't signed. darkweasel94 21:35, 2 August 2013 (UTC)

think nothing of it. I didn't know what to do with the positioning and indention so I just shoved it at the end to be less confusing, hope you don't mind. Penyulap 22:09, 2 August 2013 (UTC)

Commons talk:SVG guidelines[edit]

In response to your message, I haven't gone and used smilies (not that I have anything against them; I use emojis all the time), but I have replaced the goods and bads with black check marks and x's for now. If I can find some good minimalist smilies I might use them there (Obviously the guideline page design should set an example with a clean modern design).—Love, Kelvinsong talk 19:20, 5 August 2013 (UTC)

Argh ! they look contentious ! {sigh} yes, if there is a way, that would be brilliant. Penyulap 20:03, 5 August 2013 (UTC)

Regarding the top of your Usertalkpage, I thought you might like this block from the SVG guidelines page—

Examples
Copyrighted source to tracing.svg
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Only a vectorization—it does not improve on the (poor quality) source, and is in this case probably a copyvio.
Copyrighted source to original.svg
Positive smiley.svg
Makes an improvement on the non-free original that is sufficient to avoid copyright problems.

—Love, Kelvinsong talk 22:16, 5 August 2013 (UTC)

Oh that is PERFECT ! Farm-Fresh emotion happy.png just perfect, and you made new faces for everyone to suit as well, Bravo ! you've won me over. The arrows are perfect as they depict policy.

This is precisely the kind of docs that people need for copyright, there is exactly nothing at the moment, all the pages that are here are F.A.Q.s for people with cameras. Just the other day at the village dump it came up about drawings and avoiding copyright. This is sorely needed. Penyulap 22:35, 5 August 2013 (UTC)

Verry sorry...[edit]

... my Internet Connection today is verry slow. :-(-Steinsplitter (talk)

is not my connection, why you do this? --Steinsplitter (talk) 12:31, 11 August 2013 (UTC)

For your information[edit]

Commons:Mascots/Requests/Penyulap (de-Mascot) -mattbuck (Talk) 21:22, 11 August 2013 (UTC)

An attack page, how original, did you come up with the idea yourself, or did Fae help out like he is helping out now. Impressive behaviour and I'm sure you'll find anyone who supports it, or not. Penyulap 21:44, 11 August 2013 (UTC)
content of Mattbuck's attack page.

Penyulap (de-Mascot)[edit]

Vote

Penyulap (talk · contributions · deleted user contributions · recent activity · logs · block log · global contribs · SULinfo)

Scheduled to end: 06:10, (UTC)

Penyulap claims to be our mascot. I say he is nothing but a troll and any mascotship should be revoked, as, frankly, should editing privileges.

Votes[edit]

  • Symbol delete vote.svg de-Mascot as nominator. -mattbuck (Talk) 21:21, 11 August 2013 (UTC)
  • Symbol delete vote.svg de-Mascot and replace with an (anatomically inaccurate) stuffed toy, as per all good teams in University Challenge. -- (talk) 21:30, 11 August 2013 (UTC)

Comments[edit]

Quoting redacted content[edit]

Hi Penyulap, you quoted content which was redacted before. You may question why something has been redacted but you are not free to restore that material. Simply talk first to the admin who removed offensive material. Regards, AFBorchert (talk) 12:17, 13 August 2013 (UTC)

If I saw that directed at a person, I'd have removed it myself. It was not. That editor was critical of an organization this obviously has nothing to do with that editor and everything to do with my sound reprove of your partisan closure of a discussion about Tomas. Any editor can look at the actual diff, which I give here and you don't. That editor even used the exact word in bold marks. "organisation" he said. Unless Russavia is an organisation, then this is about you getting corrected on your biased closure at ANU. Penyulap 12:43, 13 August 2013 (UTC)
Hi Penyulap, the offending text was obviously targetted at Russavia (this man, followed by an offense). Anyway, if you object to redactions talk to the redacting admin, do not revert or quote it. Regards, --AFBorchert (talk) 12:58, 13 August 2013 (UTC)
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Sounds a whole lot like "Is too!!!". The diff is there, people can read what he thinks of the "organisation" themselves, and in the face of indisputable evidence you figure to replace my brain with repetition alone ? Oh please, I've made art to criticize that kind of bullshit. You can repeat the same argument as many times as you like it's just going to look all the more silly in my opinion, there is not really a point at which I vomit, it just gets sillier, it's bleeding obvious that you're calling Russavia an "organisation". Yeah, maybe they'll de-Bureaucrat Commons and shove another server into Russavia's pants. HA! Penyulap 20:35, 13 August 2013 (UTC)

hey[edit]

I didn't look at who changed it from left to right before putting it back as I had it, there has been so many people messing with my remarks there, or just destroying them in general as an attack on me, like this lot 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 followed by an outright attack page mentioned at the bottom of my talkpage, so I was just ignoring it as more of the same.

When I had a look and saw it was you I thought, whoops, still in the anti-nasty mode. Feel free to change it back to the other side, I do not mind as it's a genuine editorial thing you're up to. I think I started getting away from the 'everything on the righthand side' thing back in the days of featured articles on en.wikipedia, someone mentioned 'why are all the images on the right hand side, you can alternate them a bit' and I thought about it, and thought, hey, why are they all on the right hand side, it's just a default, not a rule or style. After that yeah, I put a little more thought into not following the default. Meh, but if it annoys you by all means change it back, there are plenty more pictures for me to talk with. I'm not so much a text-only person, I'm video pictures and sounds when I talk. Penyulap 02:52, 14 August 2013 (UTC)

I merely moved/realigned it so that comments do not stack up (so that three structure is maintained). :)
It is a heated discussion. IMHO people are getting too worked up either way. Things should be discussed in length but instead they are being rushed.
-- とある白い猫 ちぃ? 18:39, 16 August 2013 (UTC)

Commons:Administrators' noticeboard/User problems#User:Penyulap[edit]

FYI, --Slaunger (talk) 15:31, 17 August 2013 (UTC)

Some stroopwafels for you![edit]

Gaufre biscuit.jpg Hello Penyulap! It's a wild world here on Commons. Thank you for defending me during the discussion. Some of your comments are very wise and perceptive. I also like the picture of the lady with a donut of Doom. You are very talented. I hope, when the fuss over the de-crat is over, you and Russavia will be friends again. Greetings. Seleucidis (talk) 12:05, 21 August 2013 (UTC)

Onam greetings![edit]

Have a nice Onam tomorrow! JKadavoor Jee 17:20, 15 September 2013 (UTC)

Missing you[edit]

I miss you, and I hope that you return to a more comfortable Commons one day. --Michaeldsuarez (talk) 12:34, 18 September 2013 (UTC)

+1. JKadavoor Jee 14:18, 18 September 2013 (UTC)

+1:D----Oursana (talk) 21:31, 18 September 2013 (UTC)

Are you still around? I think that it's safe to return now. --Michaeldsuarez (talk) 23:40, 20 December 2013 (UTC)

"Happy Diwali!"[edit]

While Diwali is popularly known as the "festival of lights", the most significant spiritual meaning behind it is "the awareness of the inner light". It is the belief that there is something beyond the physical body and mind which is pure, infinite, and eternal, called the Atman. The celebration of Diwali as the "victory of good over evil” refers to the light of higher knowledge dispelling all ignorance, the ignorance that masks one's true nature, not as the body, but as the unchanging, infinite, immanent and transcendent reality. With this awakening come compassion and the awareness of the oneness of all things (higher knowledge). This brings Satcitananda (joy or peace). Just as we celebrate the birth of our physical being, Diwali is the celebration of this Inner Light. While the story behind Diwali and the manner of celebration varies from region to, the essence is the same – to rejoice in the Inner Light! And this year Diwali and All Souls' Day come together to fully defeat the Evil! "Happy Diwali!"JKadavoor Jee 06:17, 2 November 2013 (UTC)

Email[edit]

I've sent you an Email. --Michaeldsuarez (talk) 23:49, 20 December 2013 (UTC)

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Hi Michael, thank you for the kind note. I have been out of touch since the last round of battling organ failure (no fun!) but I would say that I am "well" at the moment, and all the better for being remembered.
I hadn't thought of posting on wiki for ages. If you asked me yesterday I would have said 'no way, no time'. Yet here I am 718smiley.svg I shall have to thank all the people who left me notes on and off wiki ! Penyulap 09:08, 21 December 2013 (UTC)
Oh, wow. I wasn't aware that you were having such problems. I'm glad that you're better now. Don't push yourself too hard. --Michaeldsuarez (talk) 12:27, 21 December 2013 (UTC)

I'm sorry that the image was deleted. I'm currently working on having a copy of the image uploaded onto Encyclopedia Dramatica. --Michaeldsuarez (talk) 19:49, 5 January 2014 (UTC)

why sorry ? I don't care about things I can churn out so fast and easy like artist shit, I like that you like it, and that everyone likes it, but I don't care that trolls want it deleted so obviously out of policy. At the moment, I can't upload because of internet connections, that worries me more, but again not much, as there are too many other actual things to be worried about. Plus, I is learning stuff too ! more than drawing. :) If you like a copy of the image, I have it on my hard-drive, and it's easy to make two more useful images from the one gif, for whomsoever would like it. Penyulap 01:31, 6 January 2014 (UTC)
I enjoy your work and would like to share it with others. I had a copy of the GIF on my hard drive, but I lost it recently along with some other files. Do you still have my Email address? Can you please Email me a copy of the GIF? --Michaeldsuarez (talk) 03:48, 10 January 2014 (UTC)
Thank you Michael, you are very kind. I was surprised to see all the works on my HD, I only every uploaded a tiny fraction of my work, and forgot a lot of it. Interesting to look over some of it. Penyulap 14:08, 10 January 2014 (UTC)

https://encyclopediadramatica.es/File:Wikipedia1984.gif (NSFW) – Thanks for sharing your work. --Michaeldsuarez (talk) 03:10, 13 January 2014 (UTC)

Oh I roared with laughter when I went to see where it was used and saw this at the top of the page. It captures so well the hallmark of the trolls on here, uploading the nearest and dearest to their hearts.
well, the commons trolls put another nail in the projects coffin. The supreme Irony of proving beyond doubt the commons regime of trolls cannot tolerate even the mildest critique by acting out the intolerant regime in the artwork. People would wonder if their appalling behavior is orchestrated by a higher comical force.
"Wp proves it is not a regime completely intolerant of mild criticism, by being intolerant of mild criticism."
I can't recall this guy's name, but I think he's the greatest CEO ever. I model myself after him. Penyulap 04:08, 13 January 2014 (UTC)
The guy is called Hank Scorpio, just FYI. darkweasel94 08:41, 13 January 2014 (UTC)
Thanks. I'm glad Encyclopedia Dramatica has made someone here laugh. --Michaeldsuarez (talk) 12:54, 13 January 2014 (UTC)
Ha! yeah, it can be tiring being dragged down by the bottom-feeders. Being able to deal with critique as a site, or as leadership (as in Jim's public figure) is woefully lacking. If someone criticized me or my site, I'd either take it on board or slam dunk them by criticizing myself properly. I'd show them how it is really done by criticisng myself better than they ever could and where would that leave them but speechless. Nope, people like Fae and mattbuck have the most disgraceful and appalling public images on and off commons, and with people like that and what they do, it just drags everyone in the only possible direction it CAN go, which is to end with a reputation crafted by the same people who crafted theirs for them. So with Fae's skills at public relations at work on commons, we will end up as popular as....Fae. Attack pages, name-calling in blocklogs, constant abuse of any and every kind, people will try to escape to more civilized academic environments like 4-chan for example.
Don't worry Michael, there are cheerful and sometimes even humorous people like me with the skills and backing needed, to think for a moment and say to themselves that there isn't a website out there they REALLY like and enjoy, and so they build one ! Penyulap 18:21, 13 January 2014 (UTC)

A barnstar for you![edit]

Original Barnstar Hires.png The Original Barnstar
Before the entry of the Chinese New Year, I bestow upon thee this Star of Hope. Cheers. Ramon FVelasquez (talk) 02:09, 20 January 2014 (UTC)

Thank you Ramon, I did enjoy it. Penyulap 09:01, 4 February 2014 (UTC)

RE: Hi Michael[edit]

I'm not sure why it's down. I'm only involved in the curation of content and the moderation of the community. I'm not responsible for hosting. This sort of thing happens all the time, so it'll probably reappear eventually. --Michaeldsuarez (talk) 03:27, 5 February 2014 (UTC)

ahh! well I thought it was best to say just in case. Now who is responsible for the pop-ups, my Grandma wants to slap them and I want to help :) lol. Naah, not really, your bat and ball I guess. It's just erm!! Penyulap 04:37, 5 February 2014 (UTC)
ED is back up. --Michaeldsuarez (talk) 12:45, 6 February 2014 (UTC)

Please be civil[edit]

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This is not an acceptable comment. Regards, Yann (talk) 12:03, 5 February 2014 (UTC) Yann (talk) 12:03, 5 February 2014 (UTC)

Your reasoning for this delete at Fae's request has no policy content at all. Sven Manguard, The Devil's Advocate, Michaeldsuarez, Cirt and INeverCry all found it in scope, and 'non-notable" shouts a deletion that has nothing to do with policy and exposes your own personal motivations. In regards to edit warring, people can see for themselves how baseless and typically back-to-front your false accusation is. You placed this warning minutes AFTER I discussed up your out-of-process deletion at the village pump. I discuss the public disgrace you create and then minutes later your here handing out baseless accusations and multiple threats. Penyulap 12:35, 5 February 2014 (UTC)

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You have been blocked for a duration of 2 weeks[edit]

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We are fed up with your junk. Would you please find another playground? Yann (talk) 12:31, 5 February 2014 (UTC)

(my comment at the village pump) I see your efforts to crush the lighthearted environment of self-critique of wikipedia has backfired badly and publicly too. The last in you long line of attempts to delete my work out of process here turned a completely unknown work into a popular tool to criticize Wikipedia, the irony of crushing lighthearted criticism by having an artwork comparing wiki to an intolerant regime has not been lost on the public in your latest public disgrace of the project. It's on wikipediocracy it's on encyclopediadramatica, its on Jimbos talkpage. It has gone from internal jest to public disgrace with your personal attention.

that was at

12:01, 5 February 2014

then you, the closing admin on that DR, blocks me at

12:29, 5 February 2014

nice work Yann. Penyulap 12:41, 5 February 2014 (UTC)

RE: A Barnstar for you![edit]

Thanks, and you're welcome. That's a pretty neat GIF. --Michaeldsuarez (talk) 12:41, 5 February 2014 (UTC)

Thanks, I am glad that you like it. Penyulap 12:44, 5 February 2014 (UTC)

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russavia (talk) 12:13, 4 March 2014 (UTC)

Discrimination against atheists[edit]

There is now a world-wide version, your version is File:Discrimination against atheists.png, new version File:Discrimination against atheists by country.svg.--Muhammed Kabir (talk) 23:25, 13 March 2014 (UTC)

Stop it[edit]

Please refrain from personally insulting other users in order to derail discussions at COM:AU[6]. I have now notified Fastily. --Túrelio (talk) 10:03, 19 March 2014 (UTC)

@Penyulap: There really isn't any need to talk about Fæ anymore. His time has come and gone. Incorporating criticism of Fæ into every discussion is pointless and silly, and it only creates more trouble for you. Don't get yourself blocked again over this. If the discussion is about Fastily, then please stick to discussing Fastily. --Michaeldsuarez (talk) 12:18, 19 March 2014 (UTC)
brilliant advice Michael. Yes, I had made the natural mistake because I wanted to point out a bad example to everyone, to contrast against the stellar record of Fastily. I don't particularly think the guy needs an award or anything, but looking at his workload, he seems to do, along with INC, most all of the adminning work around here. Naturally the in-my-face harassment by Fae and Yann and public disgrace that Yann & whatsisname provide is difficult to ignore. Just have to do what I can to care even less than I do now about such nobodies. Considering that I'm breaking out in a sweat with all the not caring and not giving a rat's ass that I'm doing now, it won't be easy. I should see if I can get some help, a team effort to not give a dam. Meh. But actually come to think of it I can't be bothered. Too apathetic to redouble my not giving a crap efforts.
Do you know, I was just thinking today to write a nice book. Do some authoring. I think that'd keep me occupied.. Ha ! occupied. OccuPen.gif You know you always remember where you were the moment big things happened. Like 9.11. or the occupy movement. I was in the toilet at the time the occupy movements broke out. All over the world,... in many places. I did my part too. I occupied that toilet. For a while. Penyulap 12:56, 19 March 2014 (UTC)

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Penyulap, becoming blocked over incidents such as this really isn't worth it. You're hurting your own credibility, not Fæ's, by making such comments. As I've said in my previous message to you, Fæ isn't really that important anymore. You should let bygones be bygones. --Michaeldsuarez (talk) 12:58, 25 March 2014 (UTC)

They don't want you to be missed or for your work to be appreciated[edit]

https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Commons%3AWe_miss_you&action=history&year=2014&month=5 – What gives them the right to decide who should be missed and who should be forgotten? --Michaeldsuarez (talk) 12:23, 3 May 2014 (UTC)

Miss-you.jpg I will personally be very happy to find you on Commons & back at work!--Muzammil (talk) 18:25, 16 May 2016 (UTC)

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Lamberhurst (talk) 08:39, 27 March 2015 (UTC)

Welcome back[edit]

Welcome back. Deletion requests aren't really a fun activity to enrage in when one returns to Commons, but I hope that you're feeling better. --Michaeldsuarez (talk) 11:27, 27 March 2015 (UTC)

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Elvey (talk) 03:23, 23 November 2016 (UTC)

Your VFC installation method is deprecated[edit]

Hello Penyulap, we are aware that using the old installation method of VFC (via common.js, which you are using) may not work reliably anymore and can break other scripts as well. A detailed explanation can be found here. Important: To prevent problems please remove the old VFC installation code from your common.js and instead enable the VFC gadget in your preferences. Thanks! --VFC devs (q) 16:23, 22 May 2017 (UTC)

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Smooth O (talk) 11:02, 29 June 2018 (UTC)