User talk:PericlesofAthens

Feel free to ask any questions here at my talk page. Thanks.--PericlesofAthens 21:55, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

Image:Han_Dynasty_Basket.JPG

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Image:Wang Anshi.jpg

ISBN 7-5347-1397-8 see [1]--Shizhao 01:05, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

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Re: ROM Chinese Gallery Pictures

Am glad you like the pics I have posted! The Ancient Egyptian materials are something of a specialty for me, and I have just come back from doing a photo shoot on a collection of those antiquities in California for a magazine in the UK.

Actually, when I took the pictures that you reference that gallery had *just* been opened and there was no accompanying text to indicate what time period they were from. I may be heading back to that museum over the weekend, and will note any information on those that may have since been added.

Are you looking to illustrate anything else in particular? By reputation the ROM has one of the best collections of Chinese artifacts in North America; see: http://www.rom.on.ca/exhibitions/wculture/index.php. If there's anything else you are looking for to illustrate an article, I can make a point of trying to get an appropriate picture of it.

Cheers!

Captmondo 16:41, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

It took longer than I originally anticipated to return there, but I have now added full descriptions to the "Hell's Judges" figurines you asked about (Image:ROM-ChineseGallery-DemonSculpture.png, Image:ROM-JudgeFigurine-ChineseGallery.png, and Image:ROM-JudgeFigurines-ChineseGallery.png). I also managed to take a number of pictures of other items in the Chinese galleries at the ROM, which I intend to post over the next few days (including bits from the Han period, as requested).

I will be heading to Beijing and Shanghai on business starting next week (my first time in Asia) and if there are any other articles you would like illustrated, please let me know!

Cheers! Captmondo 08:29, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

Just so you know, I have uploaded a few of the better images I took earlier in the month on a visit to the ROM, a few from the time of the Han, and also including some much earlier pieces. You can find them all here in a new category I created for the gallery space: Category:Joey and Toby Tanenbaum Gallery of China at the Royal Ontario Museum (odd, can't figure out how to link a category inline...) Hope you find some of them useful.

Cheers! Captmondo 15:05, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

Wanli

Kalimera,

the person who complained about the meager information on Image:Imperiestro-Ŭan-Li.jpg is right - I was quite new to wikipedia in octobre 2006 and the statement "source: german wikipedia", without even mentioning where to find the image there, really isn't enough. I had to look for a while to refind the picture in the german wikipedia, but succeeded, and now provided as much information as I can. More about the image could only say the original german uploader.

Sincerely

ThomasPusch 05:40, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

my photo in article "Tibet during the Ming Dynasty"

Thank you Eric. I'm proud to see my picture of Tashilhunpo Monastery in that amazing article. --LucaG 22:12, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

Image:Zhang_Heng.jpg

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And several other images. -dave pape (talk) 20:11, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

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Northern Song Dynasty

I think I only placed one picture in that category, and this picture showed a tapestry from the 10th or 11th century. I can see the category may be somewhat redundant to Category:Art of the Song Dynasty,though. Yaan (talk) 13:53, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

Over-categorization

The category Ceramics of the Song Dynasty is already a subcategory of Art of the Song Dynasty. Putting images already in the former into the latter is over-categorization, so I reverted your edits to the images of the ceramics I took. --BrokenSphere 17:42, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

Image improvement

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  retrait object en bas à gauche

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  recolorer (diminuer l'effet jaute), faire apparaitre carré)

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  réaxer et diminuer hauteur du cadre (suppression du haut et du bas)

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  detourage

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  old example of full background clean up

I requested the French graphic lab to improve these 4 images, They did it, and I uploaded the new improved images over the original. I come here just to notice you this overwriting, and also to notice you that you always have this prossibility (see the English Graphic Lab). Full background clean ups are also possible... when the author his requesting it himself.

Last note: If you need such clean ups, you can ask to the graphic labs or to me as well,

Regards, Yug (talk) 10:01, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

Done : My map. The source was the Cambridge history of China, 1979, vol3.

Yug (talk) 18:52, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

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Unless the permission information is given, the image may be speedy deleted after seven days. Thank you. ViperSnake151 (talk) 23:31, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

OTRS Step 1 complete

I have replaced the No Permission template with {{OTRS pending}}. You will soon receive an email after a volunteer reads the message. When verified, you will recieve a ticket ID. Input it into {{PermissionOTRS}} when you get it, and its done. ViperSnake151 (talk) 00:23, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

Image:Chu Jing Ru Pi2.jpg

I found the image from online history forum many years ago. All I know currently the painting is kept in National Palace Museum in Taiwan. Can you please facilitate me for the licensing so the pic can be legally posted in Wikipedia?

Chinese art photos

Hi! I see you have uploaded some very interesting bronze art photos from this link http://www.garyleetodd.com/chinese-museums-online/national-museum-beijing/ onto the Commons. Is there anyway that you could upload more of the ancient artefacts from the Shang, Zhou, Qin, Han and Tang dynasties from this link onto the Commons? Thanks!--HéctorTabaré (talk) 23:37, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

OTRS permission

Hello. Months ago in October 2008 when I downloaded File:Gold animals.JPG, someone brought up the fact that I needed to clear up the copyright issue with OTRS through email. This was left on my talk page months ago:

I have replaced the No Permission template with {{OTRS pending}}. You will soon receive an email after a volunteer reads the message. When verified, you will recieve a ticket ID. Input it into {{PermissionOTRS}} when you get it, and its done. ViperSnake151 (talk) 00:23, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

As written in the email (Ticket#2008102110031143) to permissions-commons@wikimedia.org, Professor Gary Lee Todd (Professor of History, Sias International University, Xinzheng, Henan, China, his account here being User talk:Leefoxx1949, the same as his email at XX@XXX) gave me explicit and blanket permission to upload any of the over 11,500 photos from his website. I was wondering if I could use the same ticket for these pics that I have already uploaded from his site (and therefore are still pending OTRS permission...I think):

• File:Bronze coins of Wang Mang's Xin Dynasty.JPG
• File:Iron ji and knife, Han Dynasty.JPG
• File:Eastern Han Dynasty Confucian classics carved in stone.JPG
• File:Coins from the reign of Wang Mang (Xin Dynasty).JPG
• File:Han Dynasty roof tile cap.JPG
• File:IMG 8757 Han.JPG
• File:Bronze mirror, Han Dynasty.JPG
• File:Bronze mirror, Han.JPG
• File:Bronze mirrors, Han Dynasty.JPG
• File:Dog, Nanyang.JPG
• File:Eastern Han Dynasty acrobat figurine on a ceramic cup.JPG
• File:Eastern Han Dynasty bronze mirror 2.JPG
• File:Eastern Han Dynasty bronze mirror.JPG
• File:Eastern Han Dynasty tomb fresco of chariots, horses, and men, Luoyang 2.jpg
• File:Eastern Han Dynasty tomb fresco of chariots, horses, and men, Luoyang 3.jpg
• File:Eastern Han Dynasty tomb fresco of chariots, horses, and men, Luoyang 4.jpg
• File:Eastern Han Dynasty tomb fresco of chariots, horses, and men, Luoyang 5.jpg
• File:Eastern Han Dynasty tomb fresco of chariots, horses, and men, Luoyang.jpg
• File:Eastern Han ceramic incense burner.JPG
• File:Eastern Han green glaze pottery bottle.JPG
• File:Eastern Han pottery chandelier.JPG
• File:Eastern Han stone guardian, Donghan, Xuchang.JPG
• File:Eastern Han tomb door, Luoyang 2.jpg
• File:Eastern Han tomb door, Luoyang.jpg
• File:Eastern Han tomb, Luoyang 2.jpg
• File:Eastern Han tomb, Luoyang 4.jpg
• File:Eastern Han tomb, Luoyang 5.jpg
• File:Eastern Han tomb, Luoyang.jpg
• File:Golden taotie ornament, Western Han Dynasty.JPG
• File:Han Dynasty ox cart.JPG
• File:Han Dynasty pottery heads 2.JPG
• File:Han Dynasty pottery heads 3.JPG
• File:Han Dynasty pottery heads.JPG
• File:Han Dynasty pottery stove.JPG
• File:Han pottery kettle with painted designs.JPG
• File:Han pottery storage jars.JPG
• File:Han tomb figurines, Luoyang.jpg
• File:Han tomb paintings of horsemen.JPG
• File:Pottery cow, Han Dynasty.JPG
• File:Pottery dog 1.JPG
• File:Pottery dogs, Han Dynasty.JPG
• File:Pottery figure 4.JPG
• File:Pottery game players.JPG
• File:Pottery goose 2.JPG
• File:Pottery gristmill.JPG
• File:Pottery palace 1.JPG
• File:Pottery palace.JPG
• File:Pottery tower 1.JPG
• File:Pottery tower 2.JPG
• File:Pottery tower 3.JPG
• File:Pottery tower 4.JPG
• File:Pottery tower 5.JPG
• File:Pottery tower 6.JPG
• File:Pottery warriors, Xihan, cavalry.JPG
• File:Pottery warriors, Xihan.JPG
• File:Pottery well.JPG
• File:Pottery wells, Xihan.JPG
• File:Tile end, Xihan.JPG
• File:Tomb brick b.JPG
• File:Tomb brick e.JPG
• File:Tomb brick f.JPG
• File:Tomb brick g.JPG
• File:Tomb brick i.JPG
• File:Tomb brick r.JPG
• File:Tomb brick k.JPG
• File:Tomb brick n.JPG
• File:W Han door knocker.JPG
• File:W Han mirrors.JPG
• File:W Han pottery dog.JPG
• File:W Han pottery utensils.JPG
• File:Western Han Dynasty wine-heating stove.JPG
• File:Western Han kneeling female pottery figurine.JPG
• File:Western Han painted pottery bottle.JPG
• File:Western Han painted pottery rectangular box with tiger design.JPG
• File:Xihan rhino, gold & silver inlays.JPG
• File:Xin (Wang Mang) pottery storage jar.JPG
• File:Iron Pagoda c.JPG
• File:Iron Pagoda d.JPG
• File:Iron Pagoda e.JPG
• File:Iron Pagoda f.JPG
• File:Iron Pagoda g.JPG
• File:Iron Pagoda h.JPG
• File:Iron Pagoda i.JPG
• File:Iron Pagoda j.JPG
• File:Iron Pagoda k.JPG
• File:Iron tower.jpg
• File:Tang tomb guardian.JPG
• File:Tang tomb guard.JPG
• File:Tang sancai.JPG
• File:Fuhao bat.JPG
• File:Fuhao gong.JPG
• File:Han jade burial suit.JPG
• File:Tang sancai horse, Prince Yide tomb.JPG
• File:Tomb guardian, sancai ceramic, Tang Dynasty.JPG
• File:White Marble Buddha, Song Dynasty.JPG
• File:Tang sancai horse, Xi'an.JPG
• File:Tang Dynasty, sancai pottery, woman figurine2.JPG
• File:Tang Dynasty, sancai pottery, woman figurine.JPG
• File:Tang Dynasty, sancai pottery, civil official.JPG
• File:Tang Dynasty, sancai pottery horse3.JPG
• File:Tang Dynasty, sancai pottery horse2.JPG
• File:Tang Dynasty, sancai pottery horse.JPG
• File:Tang Dynasty golden hairpin.JPG
• File:Tang Dynasty bronze mirror with relief decoration3.JPG
• File:Tang Dynasty bronze mirror with relief decoration2.JPG
• File:Tang Dynasty bronze mirror with relief decoration.JPG
• File:Sancai porcelain figurine of Guan Yin, Ming Dynasty.JPG
• File:Porcelain ding, Ming Dynasty.JPG
• File:Ox and cart, Tang Dynasty.JPG
• File:Iron sword and two bronze swords, Warring States Period.JPG
• File:Honor guard, tomb of Prince Qinjian, Ming Dynasty.JPG
• File:Bronze xian and biao (bit and cheekplate) for horses, Zhou Dynasty.JPG
• File:Bronze wushu coin mould, Han Dynasty.JPG
• File:Bronze warrior masks, Shang Dynasty.JPG
• File:Bronze vessels, Spring and Autumn Period.JPG
• File:Bronze vessels, Shang Dynasty.JPG
• File:Bronze tiger on top of water buffalo, Zhou Dynasty.JPG
• File:Bronze spearheads, Shang Dynasty.JPG
• File:Bronze mirrors, Warring States Period.JPG
• File:Bronze he pot, Western Zhou Dynasty2.JPG
• File:Bronze he pot, Western Zhou Dynasty.JPG
• File:Bronze ge, Warring States Period.JPG
• File:Bronze ge, Shang Dynasty.JPG
• File:Bronze ding, Western Zhou Dynasty.JPG
• File:Bronze daggers and spoon, Shang Dynasty.JPG
• File:Bronze cups, Zhou Dynasty.JPG
• File:Bronze crossbow trigger, Wei Dynasty, 242 AD.JPG
• File:Bronze bow device for controlling chariots, Western Zhou Dynasty2.JPG
• File:Bronze bow device for controlling chariots, Western Zhou Dynasty.JPG
• File:Bronze arrows, Spring and Autumn Period.JPG
• File:Bronze arrow bolts, Qin Dynasty.JPG
• File:(Jurchen) Jin Dynasty bronze cymbals.JPG
• File:Head of Kashyapa, wood, Tang Dynasty.JPG
• File:Giant Wild Goose9.JPG
• File:Giant Wild Goose8.JPG
• File:Giant Wild Goose7.JPG
• File:Giant Wild Goose6.JPG
• File:Giant Wild Goose5.JPG
• File:Giant Wild Goose4.JPG
• File:Giant Wild Goose3.JPG
• File:Giant Wild Goose2.JPG
• File:Giant Wild Goose1.JPG
• File:IMG 8762 banliang, Han.JPG
• File:Yuan pottery incense burner.JPG
• File:Shang bronze masks, 16-14th.JPG
• File:W Zhou Yan helmet.JPG
• File:Ming bronze cannon.JPG
• File:Song Silang's Tomb Fresco, Northern Song Dynasty, Luoyang.jpg
• File:Ming cannon.JPG
• File:Tomb of Emperor Xuanwu of Northern Wei coffin.jpg
• File:Tomb of Emperor Xuanwu of Northern Wei 6.jpg
• File:Tomb of Emperor Xuanwu of Northern Wei 5.jpg
• File:Tomb of Emperor Xuanwu of Northern Wei 3.jpg
• File:Cao Wei Dynasty fresco, Luoyang.jpg

If you or someone else could clear this up, it would be greatly appreciated. Thank you.--PericlesofAthens (talk) 22:44, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

Why me ? ... :p

Hello

Thanks by advance to use the «show preview» function in order to avoid to spam my talk page...

When you have a massive permission, it should be useful to think about a suitable procedure instead of tinking an unsatisfactory solution.

Please remind that only OTRS volonteers, who can check the email in OTRS, are authorized to put the {{PermissionOTRS}}. A such edit (with an incorrect syntax) is not acceptable (and you could wait my answer...). Moreover, there is no worth puting an unclear sentence «I have contacted Professor Gary Lee Todd at X@X and he has given me explicit permission via email to use pictures from his site for Wikimedia Commons.», which not specify a suitably free license. And I don't think that Professeur Todd will be entranced to be spammed by your fault...

So I created the {{Gary Lee Todd permission}} template, which give all the details need. I also created the category Photographs by Gary Lee Todd.

I put the template on the 3 pictures uploaded by Leefoxx1949

• File:Pottery palace 1.JPG
• File:Pottery tower 5.JPG
• File:Pottery tower 6.JPG

We should do the same on ALL the picture you have uploaded here... Like that :

1. Remove {{PermissionOTRS}} template.
2. Remove the unclear sentence in order to put the {{Gary Lee Todd permission}} template.
3. Verify that the license is one of the license mentionned on {{Gary Lee Todd permission}}
4. By the way, add the template {{En}} to specify the language of the description...

I can do it, but if you could clear this up, it would be greatly appreciated. :p

--Bapti ✉ 10:02, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

Awesome! I like the template you created. Thank you very much. I will add that to all the pictures, but it's going to take a while!--PericlesofAthens (talk) 22:19, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

Ok, but please respect the permission : you can upload pictures of http://www.garyleetodd.com/, not of http://picasaweb.google.com/GaryLeeTodd/

And by the way, please add the template {{En}} to specify the language of the description...--Bapti ✉ 19:21, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

Okay, I'll fix the links. Also, thanks for reminding me about the "en" thing for english.--PericlesofAthens (talk) 10:19, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

O.o. Please respect the permission : you can upload pictures of http://www.garyleetodd.com/, not of http://picasaweb.google.com/GaryLeeTodd/

This edit is not acceptable : you say that the file is on http://www.garyleetodd.com/chinese-museums-online/china-ancient-coinage/ but it is in fact on http://picasaweb.google.com/GaryLeeTodd/ChinaAncientCoinage#. So the template {{No source since}} may be add to all this pictures...

Is there is no file on http://www.garyleetodd.com/, please ask to Gary Lee Todd to extend his permission {{Gary Lee Todd permission}} to the files on http://picasaweb.google.com/GaryLeeTodd/. I think it's the best way to clear up the misunderstanding.--Bapti ✉ 19:02, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

Ok. So should I have Gary Lee Todd send an email to permissions-commons@wikimedia.org? And if so, are you the one who is going to read it? I don't know how the whole archiving system works with Commons and OTRS volunteers, but I'll have him send a message to the commons email I just mentioned.--PericlesofAthens (talk) 01:23, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

I sent Gary Lee Todd a message. He usually gets back to me within a day, so permissions-commons@wikimedia.org should receive a message from him shortly. Cheers.--PericlesofAthens (talk) 01:35, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

Gary Lee Todd just informed me that he has sent an email to permissions-commons@wikimedia.org and explicitly stated that I am allowed to upload pics from GaryLeeTodd.com and picasaweb; you should be able to see the email now and update the template.--PericlesofAthens (talk) 02:42, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

I just got an email from X of Wiki Commons saying that the new OTRS permission tag for Gary Lee Todd photos should now be {{PermissionOTRS|ticket=https://ticket.wikimedia.org/otrs/index.pl?Action=AgentTicketZoom&TicketID=2589494}} with Ticket #2009031110004042. Should you modify Template:Gary Lee Todd permission to reflect this change?--PericlesofAthens (talk) 19:22, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

It's OK ;) I have merged the tickets in OTRS and I have modified the template.

By my fault, there is some work to do in order to give the real source of the picture :( Could you clear this up ? There is also some {{PermissionOTRS}} template and unclear sentence to remove in order to put the {{Gary Lee Todd permission}} template.

Cheers.--Bapti ✉ 20:01, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

PS : Please not write here the name of an OTRS volonteer...

Photo of Han gear mold

Hi. As you requested, I have edited the article on Han dinasty to indicate that the photo of the gear mold was taken at Shanghai Museum. I am sorry for having taken so long to answer, fortunately the article was approved! I rarely check my Commons discussion. I guess I should redirect users to my page in the Wikipedia in Spanish, which I check daily. My apologies again. --Hispalois (talk) 16:33, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

Re: Hey Jappalang

Yeah, since the rubbing lacks any new creativity, it is pretty fine to use it as is. Jappalang (talk) 00:33, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

File:HanZhaoDiLiuFuling.jpg

Hi, the source is wrong (and I believe I know how they could make such a mistake). This image is indeed that of the Han Emperor, Zhao Di (Liu Fuling), according to its caption (top right hand corner). I have uploaded a more detailed image (and stated its source). The source also shows why the original source (ibiblio) might have made the mistake. The paintings are all done on a single scroll; Guangwu Di's image is on the left of Zhao Di (a sample of the scroll here). As you can see from the new source for Zhao Di, it is possible for someone (maybe they are tired or confused) to take Guangwu Di's caption for Zhao Di. Regardless, the proper layout is the caption for an image is on its top right, and this image's caption corresponds to Zhao Di's titular. Jappalang (talk) 06:39, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, the projects operate on the principles of verifibility, so I should bring better sources to present my point. Although I would advise a less vigorous stance of support behind this source that claims the image to be otherwise than what the caption for the image says. Personally after reading through early studies of Chinese culture of history, and referring back to the original texts, I found Western interpretations (translations)... spotty. Nonetheless, I present studies that are more academic. Page 113 (191 in journal) Guyuan Hongshen's article in the 16th issue of the Arts Research Journal (hosted on National Taiwan University Press' site: http://www.press.ntu.edu.tw/ejournal/Files/%AC%FC%B3N%A5v%AC%E3%A8s/200403/3.pdf) states that the scroll starts with Zhao Di (as evident on the forum site I have shown), this is also pointed out on p. 2 and p. 25 of Chen Baozhen's article in the same issue (http://www.press.ntu.edu.tw/ejournal/Files/%AC%FC%B3N%A5v%AC%E3%A8s/200403/1.pdf). On p. 25, Baozhen states that the image of Zhao Di is dressed in plain clothes and not in regal robes like the rest of the emperors on the scroll. That clearly shows who File:HanZhaoDiLiuFuling.jpg is supposed to represent. However, Baozhen doubts the authencity of the representation, and believes the caption was overwritten by another painter (the brush strokes are different from the rest of the captions). Baozhen further points out that Zhao Di died at an early age, but the representation here is of a middle-age monarch. Baozhen believes the authenticity of the other images (thus Guangwu Di is the next image) and points that File:HanZhaoDiLiuFuling.jpg might be Wang Mang (王莽), the usurper. His interpretation is that later historians, mistaking the intent of the original author, overwrite the caption to be Zhao Di to create a "proper" historical succession.

From these, we can conclude that Chinese take the scrolls as is: Zhao Di leads the imagery, followed by Guangwu Di and the rest. (from the research above, government site reports, news site, official education sites for kids and books). Academic studies, however, find the representation of Zhao Di could be of doubt but more likely to be Wang Mang than anybody else. There is no evidence that show Guangwu Di's representation to be false. No one was "merely following what the online sources" but they were following what the captions on the scrolls themselves (primary sourcing) were saying. Does Paludan point out her analysis of why it believes the Zhao Di to be Guangwu Di, and Guangwu Di to be Wen Di, or is she merely following mistaken identifications by other sources? Jappalang (talk) 21:54, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

That becomes an issue then, there is no way to truly know whose view or what research she is basing her opinion on. What is true is that the common perception of the images are those of Zhao Di and Guangwu Di respectively (and even Wikipedia policy advise to abide by the common verified name ); her and Baozeng's opinions are still up for debate in the academic circles. Back in Wikipedia, we would have to state the common and the academic views, so how does these([2][3]) look? Jappalang (talk) 02:37, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

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