User talk:Peterblaise

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Personal attack by Peterblaise (talk · contribs)[edit]

Patrícia msg 13:24, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

Hello,

There has been a complaint here about the way you verbalized your opinios at a deletion request. I'd like to request you to please {{be civil}} when dealing with other users, especially at sensitive matters as this one is. Regards, Patrícia msg 13:24, 7 December 2007 (UTC)



  Peter Blaise responds: ooops, sorry, the lines in question have been re-written to more accurately represent my NON personal attack - thanks for the pointer! All below is quoted from the referenced pages. -- Peter Blaise Peterblaise 14:29, 7 December 2007 (UTC)



Personal attack by Peterblaise (talk · contribs)

Preemptive Pictogram voting comment.svg Comment from Peter Blaise: I apologize for my ambiguous inaccuracy in using the word "you". I meant "you" as a non-personal plural, equivalent to "one" or "someone" or "all of us". I have edited the page in question to read:

  • Symbol keep vote.svg Keep (the pictures that were objected to) "...shocking..." is reason enough to KEEP 'em! Now, on the other hand, Hitler would have quashed cartoons against him. If we don't want to be compared to Hitler, then let's not act like Hitler in trying to quash criticism and ridicule against us, as illustrated in these cartoons! (See reaction) By the way, thanks for leading us to Latuff's cartoons - GREAT! -- Peter Blaise Peterblaise 12:25, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
  • I know, I know. But Hitler's such a clear example of so many wrong things that it's hard to resist (especially in this context). Peterblaise 19:10, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

So, let's please verify our personal interpretations (misunderstanding?) of each other first, and allow any of us to "re-send" our intended message, before judging. Then let's not judge anyway!

Click! Love and hugs, Peter Blaise Peterblaise 14:29, 7 December 2007 (UTC)


1: In response to the requested mass deletion of the controversial Latuff cartoons by User:Yonidebest, User:Peterblaise personally attacked User:Yonidebest by writing "If you don't want to be compared to Hitler, then don't act like Hitler in trying to quash criticism and ridicule!" [1]; so he ultimately said that User:Yonidebest acted like Hitler by making this deletion request. Such a behaviour is totally unacceptable and should be followed by a heavy sanction.
  Also, I'm quite disappointed that this attack wasn't rejected by any one of the other users who made comments on that page after the one by User:Peterblaise though several of them are admins on Commons. I don't know if Civility is an official policy on Commons, but IMHO this should be an ideal on all Wikimedia projects.
-- Túrelio 07:32, 7 December 2007 (UTC)


2: I'm not accusing you of trolling, but it's kinda hard to believe someone actually would take offense at that. It was silly Hitler joke. Maybe it's a language thing? Who knows, but no offense was meant. What's up with all the over-sensitivity on Commons lately?
Rocket000 08:27, 7 December 2007 (UTC)


3: Be real, please. If you wrote that about me in the real world setting, I would sue you for sure. Also, how do you know what User:Peterblaise meant?
-- Túrelio 08:29, 7 December 2007 (UTC)


4: I agree that the comment was not pleasant & might be taken as un civil by some. I read it by replacing "Hitler" with a more generalised "dictator" which is what I took the meaning to be. We do need to be careful on Commons of cultural/regional sensitively and we sometimes fail, we must keep trying. Commons is a good place with some great people on
--Herby talk thyme 08:48, 7 December 2007 (UTC)


5: I know what he meant in the same way you can tell someone's joking when someone uses humor you're familiar with. Replacing "Hitler" with a more generalized "dictator" loses part of the joke, because comparing someone to Hitler (evil personified) in this manner is so ridiculous it can't possibly be taken seriously (speaking from a Americentric view, I guess). I believe you also took Peterblaise's words slightly out of context, which helps show his intent. I agree we need to be careful with our wording because of the various cultures represented here, but on the flip side, we also need to assume good faith. We should avoid accusation of personal attacks when it may just be the author's intent was simply lost in translation. If anything, I think a inquiry on Peterblaise's talk page would have been more appropriate.
Rocket000 12:00, 7 December 2007 (UTC)


6: Comparing to Hitler weights very heavy to people that were really close/involved to/with Hitler. Some folks cannot tolerate jokes referencing God, the prophet, their kings or leaders (E.g. Mussolini, Ata Turc, Churchill, Sarkozy, George Bush should be hardened by now), their family (son of a bitch). So it is good that Túrelio brings it up for discussion. But he should not be surprised indeed that nobody reacted as for most users, it is just too ridiculous, so not credible.
--Foroa 12:50, 7 December 2007 (UTC)


7: (reset) I've asked the user to please {{be civil}}. We all lose our temper from time to time.
Patrícia msg 13:25, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

  Peter Blaise adds: Permit me to quote a sage source:

http://www.usemod.com/cgi-bin/mb.pl?DefendEachOther

(caution, the general "you" is used once again, and probably does not mean any specific "you"):


Defend Each Other
If think you are personally attacked, don't defend yourself. That may be surprising - but defending yourself is not your job, it is the job of the other members in the online community.
Reasons:
  • it is much more credible to the reader
  • it's too hard to stay emotionally balanced when you defend against personal attacks, it is much easier even not to defend at all
  • the experience of being defended is incredible, it is pure joy, enjoy it
  • to defend and be defended creates strong emotional bonds among members, it builds trust
And remember, most of the time personal attacks need not be defended at all, because the attacker only hurts their own reputation and credibility. However, Model Desired Behavior: if someone else is attacked, defend them.
While conflicts are typically seen as negative, they hold big chances to grow as a community, to build trust among the members, to grow in valuable experience. Observe and learn for the next conflicts.