User talk:Pfctdayelise/Archive06

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Your license[edit]

I am only concerned about commercial use. I don’t want people to make profit of the images and not use a legal loophole to inference copyright. You can change the license a little bit. I was not sure how to proper license the images. --Belginusanl 17:59, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

I agree can you please change my license accordingly. --Belginusanl 15:05, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

Add Brazil Government tag[edit]

Hello Pfctdayelise,

I have made a template of the copyright status of all Brazilian official symbols. It's in {{PD-BrazilGov}}. Could you add it into Commons:Copyright tags?

Thank you!

Philipi 23:00, 1 June 2006 (UTC)


Thanks for your message re this image. It was an image created by me, and I have tagged it GFDL. Is this OK? Jonathan Webley 09:06, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

Image:Benedykt XVI u Lecha Kaczynskiego.jpg[edit]

As far as i know all images from page of our president are green (C) and this picture is from this webpage :)


If you need something more tell me what :)

--WarX 13:16, 2 June 2006 (UTC)


Unfortunately there is not a translation of the law, but I updated the template to look like Template:PD-LithuaniaGov. I translated the section of the Law that regulates the copyright of official symbols in Brazil and inserted into the template box. And we in pt.wikipedia assume that this law applies worldwide, as Brazil is signatary of all international conventions on copyright. Ok?

Philipi 00:32, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

Forget the latter[edit]

I've found an english translation of the law here: [2]. Look in the Article 124.

Philipi 00:57, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

Thank you very much! --- Philipi 15:14, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

Re: Image:CorelDraw-Photopaint.jpg[edit]

Ok, I wasn't aware of that. Fair use doesn't exist in France, so you are right, i can't use this picture. What sort of image can i use to illustrate software ? Romain Thouvenin 08:43, 3 June 2006 (UTC) (Hope my english is not so bad)

Orgullobot edit summaries[edit]

Heh, that tends to happen from time to time. I'm not exactly sure why and while the times it puts an appropriate summary outnumber the times it doesn't, I don't think we should worry too much about it. I'm glad you're keeping an eye on the changes, though. Maybe the bot gets so many requests at a time and it gets its botpanties in a wad, idk ;-). --Orgullomoore 18:12, 3 June 2006 (UTC)


我用commonshelper upload. 选择了“Use WikiSense to suggest categories"。可能它的自动分类有时候不准确吧--Shizhao 13:55, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

Welcome Committee[edit]

Could you please return to idea of Welcome Committee?

I think User:Orgullobot/Welcome log would like more advertising (and hands :-). However some imrovements to log itself is needed.

EugeneZelenko 16:13, 5 June 2006 (UTC)


from User talk:Connel MacKenzie

I am looking forward to seeing how it goes (especially in English ;)). I think it can be especially useful for a smaller project like wiktionary, and hopefully will just need a glance every few days rather than obsessive maintenance. User:Duesentrieb will be very open to suggestions and improvements. It would be cool if you could give us (or at least, me :)) a small report on how it's going after a couple of weeks. e.g. if other people in the community find it useful, if you find there's many things that seriously affect your project that you weren't aware of before, etc. cheers, pfctdayelise (translate?) 07:17, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

OK, now that it has been going for a little while...
This is so wonderful! I have no idea how we survived without it! So far, on the small project (English Wiktionary,) we've seen one image deleted about every other day. Or rather, one image tagged for deletiong. As I've notified users that their image is on the chopping block, they've simply taken care of it quietly. A far cry from sysops running to Commons, screaming, after-the-fact!
I at first started the process to have en:wikt:User:CommonsTicker flagged as a bot. However, the instructions I think should say never to do that. On small sites, seeing the edits once a day, or once every three hours is crucial. On large sites, it won't matter anyhow.
On behalf of En.Wiktionary, THANK YOU User:Duesentrieb for allowing us to pilot this! --Connel MacKenzie 18:04, 5 June 2006 (UTC)


I post this message in Greetings. --Prevert(talk) 20:12, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

Thanks. When you need contact with portuguese users or pt wp, i can help as link between Commons and . --Prevert(talk) 11:11, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
I am not portuguese native speaker, I am galician. Galicia and Portugal are bordering, Galician and portuguese are very close, both being Galician-Portuguese languages. When I go to Portugal I speak with potuguese people in Galician and they with me in Portuguese. Lmbuga writes in Portuguese better than me. Furthermore in there are many brasilian contributors. I bureaucrat in and know Commons policy. If you find that I can help in Commons with pt users I am happy to do it, if not I thank you your offer too. I apologize about my english. Best wishes. --Prevert(talk) 12:11, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
Thanks. I would like to help in the Commons, but I never propose myself as admin candidate. In the future if another Commons user likes my work here and propose my nomination in requests for adminship, I will accept. But I never nominate myself. Grretings. --Prevert(talk) 12:44, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
Thanks. I hope (and try) to make a good work in the Commons. --Prevert(talk) 13:17, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

From dynamic to static?[edit]

I'm just wondering, it seems as if commons is stopping with categorization of images / media (dynamic), and going into static pages showing the media. Is this so? I encountered it at Category:Middelburg, after having categorized two other municipalities of Zeeland in the Netherlands. If this is true, how can we ensure that these pages are kept up to date, and show all media available? If you'd happen to know why this is done, I'd like to know - I don't really understand what's happening now...
Regards Noorse 01:48, 6 June 2006 (UTC) :) (I'll keep track of your page :) )

Hi Noorse,
There is no official policy regarding a preference for using categories over galleries(AKA articles, same thing) to organise or display files. The official policy is just that you should use at least one, and it usually makes sense to fit into the existing structure. In fact a mixed system works quite well. These are some topics where a gallery makes much more sense than a category. Each domain or area tends to have its own system, not always written down. Maybe you would like to help write one (a category scheme) for the Netherlands? There are some already at Category:Commons category schemes (I would especially compare to the France one). If not, just write to the people who seem to be implementing the current system and ask them how they see the plan working. People tend to "adopt" certain category areas to "look after", which is good because otherwise categories can get quite a mess, but they should welcome new input and not treat them as "their" property alone, of course. Just 'cause it looks official doesn't mean it is, remember. :)
The Middelburg/Zeeland one looks like it might make sense, since at the moment there are not a large number of Middelburg images (or even Zeeland ones, for that matter). Using galleries also offers much greater control over display and organisation, you can see that in Middelburg, you can't get that kind of organisation in a small category.
Keeping galleries up to date is of course quite hard, especially as there is no technical option to "watch" a category (and be told when members enter or leave it). You might like to ask the people who are currently implementing this system how they plan to keep it up to date. Maybe they just check the category every few months. It doesn't seem like it would need a lot of maintenance to be honest.
Does this help? Let me know if you have any more questions or want some help writing a category scheme. cheers, pfctdayelise (translate?) 03:19, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
Yes and no... Since the introduction of the galleries I find it harder and harder to find anything here. When we'd normally have discovered duplicate images due to the categorization, we now upload new as we can't find the old ones. :( I just feel more and more like giving commons up. Today I found an erraneous comicstrip coa which had been cut from a .svg flag - which also was wrong. And there was no older image... What is happening? I tagged the erraneous coa for deletion, but left the flag in as it was the only one. Image talk:Flag of the Pitcairn Islands.svg, Image talk:Coat of Arms of the Pitcairn Islands.svg and Image talk:Pitcairn coa.png. Sorry to keep sighing about this, but it worries me. regards talk to noorse at no: :)12:32, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
P.S. there are often a lot more files available than it seems, due to bad categorization in the first place...
Thanks for stopping by :) - and checking around the Pitcairns. Concerning the cat's & willingness... I try, whenever I look for something, to categorize. It's just the sheer amount of the work, with cateories seemingly rather being deleted than utilized that throws me off :( How many files is needed for a category to be considered useful at commons? 10-20? Right :) I'll try finding you on Irc... :) Noorse 15:57, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

Unclear licence[edit]

Hi, I have a problem with somes images uploaded by User:Lily15. She uses the {{PD-old}} tag for files that are clearly not so *and* that are three-dimensional (so {{PD-art}} cannot apply, as well). No source is indicated. Some could be her own creation but I have strong doubts about Image:Borghese gladiator.JPG and Image:Aristonothos krater.jpg for instance. I have asked her more details but she has not come back to Commons since more than a month. What is the correct way to handle this? Would it be correct to ask for the deletion of these files? Is there some kind of "unclear licence" tag? Jastrow 14:55, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

I really hadn't thought about CheckUsage to track the user down:) Thanks for your advice. Jastrow 06:30, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

Welcome log[edit]

Howdy. I saw your message, but I've been rather bogged down recently. I'll get to it when I can.--Orgullomoore 21:07, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

How's that?--Orgullomoore 17:31, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

Chinese reading request to confirm image licensing[edit]

Hello Elise,

FrancisTyers (talk · contribs) has asked for my advice regading an image of unclear licensing. He thinks {{PD-China}} would be a reasonable choice as the picture might be old enough, but he doesn't know any Chinese and cannot deduce the author (or licensing, for that matter). Unfortunately, I cannot really help him either, but I was wondering if you could scan thru the Chinese page linked on the image description page and share with us what you learned from it. Many thanks, undoubtedly on behalf of him as well! —UED77 02:14, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

Re: Problem users[edit]

Hi! Thanks for the advice. I can't remember seeing previously deleted images, otherwise I would likely have deleted them straight away. I guess that my level of patience for people who ignore the clear messages at special:upload varies with my mood, but I do try to remember to revisit all the images that I mark as nsd or nld after a week so that I can delete those that need to be and I avoid contributing to the backlog as much as possible. JeremyA 00:24, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

Interproject coordination[edit]

When you get a chance, please take a look at the English Wikipedia's w:WP:AN#Wiktionary user and w:WP:LTA/Primetime as this same user does seem to be active here (under a myriad of sockpuppets, presumably.) --Connel MacKenzie 15:13, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

The one user I was certain exists here is Special:Contributions/Mack96. --Connel MacKenzie 21:53, 8 June 2006 (UTC)


Hi Pfctdayelise, I have added the greek translations in User:Pfctdayelise/Translations. Let me know if there is any problem or other translations needed. Cheers. --Dada 16:14, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

Gallery link in Welcome-Template[edit]

The gallery-link in the template only works in the english version, not in the other languages, because it puts a wrong username the field. I don't know if it is possible to repair. Greetings, Longbow4u 17:38, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

Sorry to barge in, but it could possibly be fixed with an <includeonly> / <noinclude> trick. If the localized version is directly transcluded into the user's talk page, the text inside <includeonly> would be displayed, providing a direct link to the user's gallery. If, however, the user is viewing the localized version as a template, the text marked by <noinclude> would be displayed, providing a general link to the gallery tool. See {{welcome/hu}} for an applied version of this. Also see how the first line changes depending on if it's viewed as a template, or actually transcluded. —UED77 19:57, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
I could not read what there was exactly in the Hungarian template (lack of this skill). But perhaps someone could check the German template {{Welcome/de}} and include UED77 fix. Thanks, Longbow4u 20:53, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
I was hoping the language would not be an impeding factor, so sorry if it was. However, here's a mockup in English, as if English were a localized template. Compare the differences between the transcluded and viewed version of the same template:
Welcome to the Commons, Pfctdayelise/Archive06!
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UED77 21:34, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

That is a good partial solution (did you implement it for the translations of template:welcome?) But in general we still have the problem for templates such as {{no source since}} and {{idw}}. What we really need, you see, is automatic translation of templates!! pfctdayelise (translate?) 01:38, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

Possibilities for WM projects[edit]

Well, todays Wikizine says that there's (will be) a new Fundraising committee.

Probably Wikiprojects would be a good start point. If there's a groupt of people interested in Foo, we'll likely have good articles/images/definitions... about Foo. And if some aspect is not good at all, they'll be willing to finish it. Having their work published is a good motivation.

I don't think spoken wikipedia to be mature enough. We don't have spoken articles (they seems to me a bit random) although if you're going to sell a Foo pack, you may get all Foo articles recorded in a few days. When people is interested... It could help promoting spoken Wikipedia.

CDs (usually) have 80 minutes. Some articles have a duratiobn of 3 minutes, other of 20' :s

I think people'd tend to pay for <..> if it came to their home on a nice CD or if it were on a pretty box on their supermarket. Wikimedia chapters will be of help on this but we can't afford such kind of comertialization (hey! you never know if we could save money on that. People is very bizarre).

eBay could be a good start for selling:

  • People is registered and used to spend money by Internet.
  • They will be looking for good sales
  • Transactions are send by post. No new systems.
  • eBay allows multiple selling of a product at X price. It doesn't only have auctions.
  • It's international, we'd only have products on different languages.
  • Packs would be prepared at the nearest WMF chapter for sending.

Platonides 21:10, 8 June 2006 (UTC)


Hey, I am a bit concerned to see bolded links to non-existent key pages such as Commons:FAQ/hu and Commons:Licensing/hu. The welcome message should actually be helpful... could you at least link the English pages in brackets after the redlinks, so that something is available? thanks, pfctdayelise (translate?) 01:41, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

I understand. Would the this scheme do for a couple of days until the translations are finished? —UED77 01:51, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

Deletion request[edit]

Hi. I am not sure that scolding people for nominating image is a good idea.... IMO it is our responsibility to manage the deletion request with more admins.... LOL

Fred Chess 11:01, 9 June 2006 (UTC)


How is the feature that warns if one uploads an image that has previously been deleted? I removed Image:Alphonse Mucha Dancel lithographie.jpg from 14 projects on April 22, but it was soon uploaded again and is already used on articles on four projects. Like roaches, they are coming creeping back! Can't get rid of'em!

Fred Chess 15:41, 9 June 2006 (UTC)


Could you please take a look to this user contributions? I think he/she could be good admin. However my sole nomination of another person to admin position failed, so I'm superstitious now for nominating other people :-) --EugeneZelenko 13:50, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

Dodge vehicles[edit]

How can you tell? Is there some giveaway clue, or even something obvious? (I don't know anything about cars) --pfctdayelise (translate?) 15:31, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

I looked at the logo in the front. It first looked like ...OGE, but that didn't sound like any marque I have heard of. Then I looked again and saw that it's not an O, but a D. And a truck with a name ending in ...DGE has to be a DODGE. If I'm wrong it's not the end of the world and it's easy to change. // Liftarn

please categorise your images...[edit]

Hi, you wrote: "put any images that say "orphan!" into a category or on a gallery page." I found right category but... how can I move these images? Could you so kind to help me? Thanks. Andrev_msl

Answered on Andrev_msl's talk page. Good luck with your exams! NielsF 11:45, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
All part of the service :-)! Seriously, the question was easy enough for me to be able to answer it ;-) and you were supposed to be on a wikibreak ;-) so I thought I'd try and help out Andrev. Cheers, NielsF 11:52, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
If you can't stay away from wikimedia, could you be bothered to help me out with something? Please request a category name change with Orgullobot, I'm not sure how I could to this. Its about Category:Comunidade Sul-Americana de Nações which should have an English name: Category:South American Community of Nations. I've already put that category into Category:American politics, it was an orphan before. Cheers, NielsF 12:40, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for your help. I asked you because it said that to propose a change to the bot you'd either had to be "whitelisted" or an admin, afaik I'm neither at the moment. The merge of the articles is done, Comunidade Sul-Americana de Nações and Comunidad Sudamericana de Naciones now redir to South American Community of Nations. Category:Comunidade Sul-Americana de Nações can be deleted. Cheers, NielsF 13:33, 12 June 2006 (UTC)


Should work now - thanks for the report! (see [3]) -- Nichtich 16:07, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

Welcome log[edit]

Thanks. I Did not know the Welcome log. It is a good aid. I will use it daily. A warm greeting--Lmbuga gl, pt, es: fala comigo 18:20, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

Catergorising images using CommonSense[edit]

I have tried using CommonSense several times to add categories to my uploads, but every time I get the following error message. Any idea what the problem is?

Searching for categories... . . A database error has occurred Query: SELECT page_id, page_namespace, page_title, page_len, rev_id, rev_timestamp, old_id as text_id, old_text as text, old_flags as text_flags FROM text JOIN revision ON rev_text_id = old_id JOIN page ON rev_id = page_latest WHERE page_title = 'De' AND page_namespace = 0 Function: fetchWikirecord Error: 1356 View 'enwiki_p.text' references invalid table(s) or column(s) or function(s) or definer/invoker of view lack rights to use them (sql)


GlobalFunctions.php line 659 calls wfBacktrace() Database.php line 466 calls wfDebugDieBacktrace() Database.php line 412 calls Database::reportQueryError() WikiAccess.php line 815 calls Database::query() WikiAccess.php line 717 calls WikiAccess::fetchWikiRecord() WikiAccess.php line 832 calls WikiAccess::fetchPageRecord() CommonSense.php line 800 calls WikiAccess::loadInfoFromDB() CommonSense.php line 736 calls CommonSensePage::loadPageInfo() CommonSense.php line 405 calls CommonSensePage::getPageTitle() CommonSense.php line 312 calls CommonSensePage::findKeywordPages() CommonSense.php line 1084 calls CommonSensePage::findCategories() CommonSense.php line 1543 calls CommonSensePage::generateHtmlOutput()

No, it is still not working - I have just noticed that it says "Database Error: Unknown database 'enwiki_p' (sql)" at the top of the page as well — Dan1980 20:37, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

Image:Louis F Rodrigue Masson .jpg[edit]

You are right, I thought this image was free, but it is not (more details on my talk page, answering to your message). I just deleted the link to it in the french wikipedia. You can delete this image in commons. Thank you to be comprehensive. I will be carefull on the next time. Kertraon 21:07, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

Re:Orgullomoore/Welcome log[edit]

hello Pfct, I added the log link to my user's page to have it handy some days ago, it's a great tool and I was missing it, so don't worry, I'll help with that as well. Are overtime paid here or next door? ;) lol.
About Image:Afiche 1 version apaisada USO WEB.jpg I just asked at es:wiki cafe, I have no idea if that movie poster is real or a self creation. Regards. Anna 22:51, 12 June 2006 (UTC)


Thanks. I've been looking for a tool of sorts, 'cept the website is down. I'll be sure to take a look later when it resurfaces. -- (Longhair, opps, didn't realise I was washed into the Commons) ;) 02:45, 13 June 2006 (UTC)


Hello, I added 2 rules in the community portal page. I did it to improve, and did it without discussion because I don't want wait 15 days to be able to do it. Do you think it's a bit too harsh/hasty ? That not really democratic, but I did it to improve commons. Yug (talk) 19:22, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

Commons:Media help[edit]

Hi pfctdayelise, I translated this from German to English, could you please check it and the 3 sub pages for mistakes? And could you drop a translation request to the other village pumps, as you did so efficiently for the first steps. I could do it, too, but you are so well known and respected, probably the results would be better. Thank you and greetings, :-) Longbow4u 19:38, 13 June 2006 (UTC)


Are you from Wikinews? FellowWikipedian 00:27, 14 June 2006 (UTC)


Hi Pfctdayelise,

the wallpaperpacks are great! Marvelous idea! One of my favorite wallpapers is:

Maybe another candidate for the flowers-pack?

Regards --XN 20:02, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

5 minutes[edit]

Template:Deletion Requests archived debates[edit]

Hiya, do you know of an easier way than: <div class="boilerplate metadata vfd" style="background-color: #F3F9FF; margin: 0 auto; padding: 0 10px 0 10px; border: 1px solid #AAAAAA;">This proposed deletion debate is now closed. Please do not make any edits to this archive.</div> to close a debate after an image has been deleted? It's prolly {{subst:templatesomething}} but I couldn't find the template... NielsF 22:26, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

Re: Image:Typhoon Pearl in Shantou.jpg[edit]

Hi, I noticed you commented on User talk:Earthengine about a similarly-named image which has since been deleted. Should this be deleted too? pfctdayelise (translate?) 06:15, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

Sorry, I don't remember what first images looks like. It's the case where file undeletion is very useful :-)

Also... would you be able to talk to this user, please? Somehow I doubt these images are "GFDL-self". Thanks, pfctdayelise (translate?) 10:46, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

I'll try. However he is Bulgarian. I could only read this language. --EugeneZelenko 14:05, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

RE:Misplaced welcome - Special:Contributions/Smacklake[edit]

I'm guessing the user had made an edit in a page that has since been deleted. Ya think?--Orgullomoore 09:57, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

Well, if there weren't such a lag on the Toolserver we could see it. It should show up herein a few hours, as the lag is currently 1 day, 15 hours.--Orgullomoore 19:33, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

Category:2006 Time 100[edit]

Hi Zanimum,

On these images you have written, Jimmy Wales took her to the event's red carpet, she donated the rights to the episode into the GFDL. Do you have some evidence of where that's been recorded? I can't find any statement like that on the Rocketboom site. In fact the About page says all Rocketboom content is licensed under CC-BY-NC-SA, which is a non-free license for the Commons. If that's true, these images will have to be deleted. So do you have a public URL, or an email you can forward to ? Thanks, pfctdayelise (translate?) 09:19, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

I've forwarded a message by Jimmy from the Communications Committee to verify this; although the list is officially confidential, there's no private information in the message that I can see the other members at odds against. This was the special condition that Jimmy place on his invitation for letting Cogdon come, we were originally planning on just having a still photographer at the event. -- Zanimum 12:46, 19 June 2006 (UTC)


Hi there.... Why are some of my contributions deleted before the end of the period?--Tomascastelazo 22:38, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

  • Well, I have to reconstruct... but the I uploaded 4 mummies hand pix and only two remain... another that was above image:mura was removed....

Thanks --Tomascastelazo 13:42, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

  • Pictures removed before deadline: victims of wealth.jpg, Ballenas.jpg and 2 mummies pix. Removed by Mglanznig
    • Thanks for your reply... You know, my only desire is to contribute, and I will continue doing so.... It is not really important that the pix were removed given that a procedure or rules were followed. On the other hand, and this is a personal observation, the criterias used to rate pictures are really amateurish. This forum has a great potential. I face critisism all the time... it is the daily bread, but criticism is valuable when it is informed and objective, beyond the "gut feeling" or "pretty picture" level. Annoying people with multiple nominations... well, not my intention... I am new at this... but I catch on quickly. --Tomascastelazo 14:37, 20 June 2006 (UTC)


Hello Pfc, I just marked the image for deletion and warned the user. It comes from a copyrighted website, Philippe Jean Bunau-Varilla died in 1940 so the term of copyright hasn't expired yet and there's no evidence either that the photo was taken prior to 1923, but you have a look, my Holmes deductions might be wrong :) Anna 00:37, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

of course[edit]

bien sûr, j'avais cru comprendre. mais il se trouve que je suis nivice, et en tant que tel, je m'écorche les yeux sur les pages html, syntaxes et aides de wiki..... ..

alors ,, je suis TRES lent !!

je comptais finir un peu plus tard, en fait il y a un administrateur qui a eu la gentillesse de me créer un brouillon pour que je prépare la page avant de la mettre en ligne. donc, je charge à nouveaux les images, et si tout se passe bien, je devrais pouvoir mettre ça en ligne dans quelques heures.


à plus tard.

in english, i just mean i'm late and not fast because of my very soon up comming to wikipédia éditorial crew. i'm writting a page in my draft and in few time, the page will be log in the wikki.... O.K ? so i upload again the picture and then try to finish my work. thank you very much for your attention and may be well write again soon....

Elge reint -- téléscripteur 20:47, 20 June 2006 (UTC)~


Thanks for taking care of the messages on my talk page; I was planning to stop in for a while tonight and kill of a few more categories, but I don't think I will now. The same kind of insensitive, self-absorbed whinging I'm sick of dealing with on en is now turning up here, so I think I'll just go do something else. I'm sure I can find somewhere else to spend my time. Thanks for all the great stuff you've done, and for being so much help to me. Essjay (TalkConnect) 02:13, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

COM:FPC new nomination method[edit]

Hi there, thanks. Am I really one of the first, cheers. It was a little confusing in the beginning because it was new, but once you get the grip on it I think it's definetly an improvement to the old method which involved a lot of tedious copy-pasting and moving back and forth between pages... I hope I did everything right? There could be some mistakes when I nominated that image... but it's definetly better than the old method, cheers. Gryffindor 07:27, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

Commons:Licensing questions -> Commons:Help desk[edit]

I've turned the former into a redirect to the latter. It is probably better to use the pages available rather than to create new pages to monitor. / Fred Chess 22:50, 21 June 2006 (UTC)


上面一行为“&#x0F6A;绿色”(前面一字看不清),下面一行为“金川保&#x0F6A;&#x0F6A;”(后两字认不出),好象是保持水土一种措施,“金川”很可能是地名。--Fanghong 00:35, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

中文维基中有人帮我认出了,是“金川保健啤”酒,“酒”字被树挡住了,所以可能是广告。--Fanghong 01:00, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

DemonDeLuxe southpark[edit]

Yes, they're not exact. I was trying to mark it as png version available. I think i tried another template before that sent me to that... :s Platonides 10:31, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

Template:Anonymous work/pt[edit]

Hi Pfctdayelise, Template:Anonymous work/pt layout done. (Another mi:Wikipedia:CommonsTicker running :) ) Greetings. --Prevert(talk) 17:21, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

Ancient coins[edit]

HI Pfct,

On the Dutch wiki I encountered a fairly large collection of photographs of ancient coins nominated for deletion as they were not in use on some article. You can find the list nl:Wikipedia:Te_verwijderen_afbeeldingen#CharlesS here and in the two subsequent sections. They lacked copyright info, but as they are essentially photos of 2D objects we reasoned that they were PD-old.

As you are one of the people active in the judgment of copyright violations, I would welcome your opinion in this before I start uploading the whole bunch here on commons.

tia, TeunSpaans 06:17, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

Thx for the suggestion, I have posed the question on Commons talk:Licensing. TeunSpaans 19:47, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

all those cars, bikes, etc[edit]

Theres thousands of pictures here yet most are too small, even worse very few are worth using as wallpapers. So many are taken of cars parked in the street, theres a few at shows its saddening to think there are so few good photos, and even fewer Feature Picture qualtiy ones.

Seriously after trying to find just 12 good quality shots something needs to be done to increase the standard of pictures. How would I go about starting a Quality Image project similar to en.wikipedia's Good Article project. Gnangarra 16:45, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

Category:Dutch pronunciation (municipality names)[edit]

Hi, I haven't forgotten this one, long time ago as it may seem. My plan is to sort out category Dutch pronunciation and make a subcat for the names of localities, not only including municipality names, but also city, river, and other names, maybe if needed with other subcats. So Category:Dutch pronunciation of toponyms (if that's the correct word) with (if needed and maybe not right away) subcats as Category:Dutch pronunciation of river names, Category:Dutch pronunciation of municipality names etc. I was planning to do this with w:Wikipedia:AWB, is that possible or is use of that tool unwanted on Commons? Do I need a bot flag for this, or should I just make a maximum number of edits/minute? Cheers, NielsF 21:25, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

Never mind, the AWB won't work. NielsF 21:28, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

Quality images[edit]

Here are the two starting pages for what I was thinking in creating Quality images, what do you think. Gnangarra 15:56, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

I think its starting to get there, how do the translation thingies at the top get added, Gnangarra 13:51, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

Image Tagging Image:Ceausescu elena04.jpg[edit]

this image comes from en-wiki and it was uploaded by en:User:Homeontherange so probably you should ask him. bye. --slawojar 小山 21:18, 26 June 2006 (UTC)


Please, can you revert this and this. These are insults. Thanks. --Prevert(talk) 15:51, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

I warned you, because perhaps it was necessary to block that IP. Greetings. --Prevert(talk) 16:09, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
Ok. --Prevert(talk) 16:16, 28 June 2006 (UTC)


He is OK. He uploads photos of bands, that he contacted and they allowed publication, so do not touch him :) If you know how to inform other admins/users not to bother Dingir it would be nice :) --WarX 16:51, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

Very complicated :) my small brain is not able to understood that :P Hmm I told him to prepare that, but e-mails are in polish, so for most of people are useless :)--WarX 17:03, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

PMS merge[edit]

Hi Lise! My main idea would be:

  1. get the grounds ready for the "merger" by preapring all the translation needed.
  2. convoj pms users to commons by changing the internal link
  3. transfering what can be used from current pms archives.

Sounds nice and easy, doesn't it? :) Now, let's go to phase 2 (aka "the dream turns into a nightmare"). Where do I find a to-do list for starting the translations? BTW, babel template now knows about pms here, too :) --Bèrto &#39;d Sèra 17:32, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

Re: Category:36 Views of the Fuji[edit]

Sorry I didn't get back to you sooner. I don't check my WikiCommons userpage often. How about changing it to "36 Views of Mount Fuji"? That's what Wikipedia calls it, and it's just as good as any other slight semantic variations. Thank you. LordAmeth 12:27, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

Re: Note on Village Pump[edit]

I did actually contact Arnomane on his talk page (User talk:Arnomane#Align on equals). I brought the issue up the Village Pump because I was looking for some immediate feedback by other users. I'm not going to push the issue though... as Makthorpe said, it's relatively minor, and I don't feel like wasting my time trying to convince another user as stubborn as I :). ~MDD4696 23:55, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

US Government images[edit]

Just so you know, User:Fred chessplayer voted keep and then closed the discussion calling it a "one person" (presumably me) consensus. here it was removed: [4]. --Jiang 07:40, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

Argh...I see you already noticed...Can we at least keep all the discussion at one place, whether this be at Commons talk:Licensing or a subpage?

I emailed BradPatrick (see [5]) about the "next step" on how to move this thing along...I'll keep you updated on this.--Jiang 08:11, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

No problem....[edit]

Already forgot about it.... --ALE! 12:51, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

Kochanowski monument[edit]

The newbie who uploaded this (User:Now) is my younger brother. He had no idea how to solve the problem he made and asked me for my assistance. Greetings --Man 14:23, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

Category:Against policy[edit]

Thanks for the note! When I return on July 4, I'll try mightily to bring it down to zero — for a few moments, at least! :) Yes, I understand, it's not really that necessary to implement a by-date scheme for copyvios. Take care! —UED77 00:53, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

By the way, have you checked my reply in Category talk:Against policy? :) *ducks* —UED77 03:35, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

Indian stamps[edit]

Recent Indian stamps are still under copyright I think - I looked at the issue a while back, I think I was probably originally misled by the whole web/print confusion of other Indian government images. Stan Shebs 03:25, 1 July 2006 (UTC)


Sorry to confuse. Just delete it. Such images are often "fair used" on the en.wikipedia. But anyway, Commons does not allow it, as it is a copy violation. --ALE! 09:45, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

"Fair use" was just a guess. But have a look at here you have such a fair use image of the Led Zeppelin album. Greetings! --ALE! 09:57, 2 July 2006 (UTC)


Hello and thanks for your message on my german userpage ( I'll upload some better versions of the pics you mentioned. Greetings, Philipp Hertzog 19:46, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

Done. Do you want to do something special with these photos? Philipp Hertzog 17:17, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

My sympathies[edit]

I just came across this comment of yours on copyright issues: I'm so damn sick of dealing with these stupid topics with zero guidance from the WMF lawyers. It's a ridiculous situation. and just had to express my sympathies. I feel exactly the same way. Unfortunately, I don't know of a way to make those lawyers help out; be they Brad, who at least holds an official position, or Soufron or Villy or Michael or someone else, who are, as I understand, volunteers like us, too. The negligent conduct of the foundation concerning image copyright issues borders on irresponsibility and is utterly frustrating to me. Lupo 12:07, 4 July 2006 (UTC)


You still have some... --pfctdayelise (translate?) 15:00, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

Mind if I take care of it after my 'vacation'? --Cool CatTalk|@ 12:58, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

Adminship reloaded[edit]

Hi, Pfctdayelise (what a difficult nick!). Don't worry about the current situation or result of the voting. I'm just curious about Prevert's motivation, but nothing more. I'll keep working here on maintenance tasks: I've got used to do then and now I just have nothing to do about images at es:...

Thanks for your encouraging words! --Dodo 14:44, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

Striking votes[edit]

Hold your horses ;-) Striking votes takes half an hour, and is preparation work for moving them. The latter takes a couple of hours [6] and I'll do that tonight when I have a bit more time at hand. Meanwhile people we see that they shouldn't cast unneccesary votes. Lycaon 07:46, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

Problem uploads[edit]

Taking a Commons break for a few days - if you want some work: these uploads seem highly suspicious to me, given that the user has uploaded copyvios and they lack a source.--Eloquence 23:27, 9 July 2006 (UTC)


I'm not so sure as you are; I think that a conservative approach could be more appropiate in this case. Everyone is innocent as long as you prove the charge. Imho you cannot be sure about your charge. I'll try to get in contact with that guy to see what happens I was expeting such an approach from an admin . cheers, --mac 14:27, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

[7] Let's see what happens. --mac 14:36, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
I don't want to flame, just to be sure to follow our rules. I haven't ignored the rules, I just don't agree with your judgment, but untill I don't get the response from that guy I will rely on your expirience. I didn't mind to make dispute just for fun

Index images[edit]

Following your welcome log call, i have been doing User:Orgullobot/Welcome log/07/8 (delete it if it's blue)

Some issues i encountered:

  • User:Brtoken uploaded 13 images, with simply the text Índice (index) on it, rotated and with several backgrounds. Licenses are valid, but it seems to me quite irrelevant to have it. What should we do with them?
  • Several people uploaded images saying, permission from X, with no evidence of being given that persmission. Do we have any appropiate template? I've been striking them and maeking as no (valid) license, and notifying them. At least a prepared message would've been helpful. {{image source}} is not too appropiate.

Platonides 15:30, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

Image:Logo Democracia Social.jpg[edit]

It was not me who tagged the image for speedy deletion but User:Thuresson. I just added that comment warning that it could be really in the PD. Barcex 16:12, 11 July 2006 (UTC)


Roger, i will more souspicious in future... :) Bye --Jacopo86 18:46, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

See my talk for answers. // FrankB 00:27, 12 July 2006 (UTC)


Some new commons-culture clash. re: John Stapp and this... the two photo's are just off the screen bottom as I open the page. Draw a diagonal through the redlink for Project MX981 and it passes through both. So is Orpan a reference to categorization or to use in an article? // FrankB 03:15, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

  1. Left you a 'status message' b4 diner. Just returning, and consulting [8] this, it looks to be the start of your heavier contrib period. (Is the Commons listed like WikiP errrr... wiki_p is <g>??? Couldn't figure out whether the tool is even valid over here.
  2. Didn't follow your answer on the above question. Suggest you start with a basic definition of 'Orphan' and build from that. Don't recollect seeing the term over there, and haven't a clue as to what place ANY article (on en.WikiP, "Main" space) plays over here. I thought the commons was media related, and text was left to and for the various sister projects.
  3. Keep in mind my comment about the culture over here... I'm a newbie here, for all intents and purposes.
  4. Pardon on the ramblings with the numeric para's, but I was cramming three days work into one marathon stretch. Even I find it somewhat disjointed when revisiting my text.
  5. The purpose of the numbering was to match your point or query with answers, then use the 'expanded' number sections to just say things like:
                re: 4.5.7 I think your point about sexy women is on point, but...
                   ...again a technical practice (including US Gov't and law in certain areas, I believe).
       4.5.0 equates to 4.5, the fifth subtopic of topic four.
       Intro's are of the form X.0 or just 'X.' Similarly, sub-intros have form X.0. (...) .0 &mdash; which is to say a difference in topic from the last. I do hope that wasn't too confusing, or stressful, it's pretty straight-forward. (I think I got the indents right, though it's hard to be sure without taking a hardcopy read. Also, I'd be ten times more productive on these wiki's if I had a WYSIWYG editor for doing the wikiWork!)
  6. I'll start looking immediately for what your long post had other than that procedural point. I'll probably just start by revising to create sub-section headings at each X.0 paragraph, and we can section edit that way at the same time.

Think this is much ado about essentially saying: 'Hi Frank' to me... with some information exchange. BTW- I've already conceded on the template names, if you see my talk. T'would be nice to have a first name. Your Wiki-handle is pretty difficult. IMHO, it'd probably parse better if it had some random capitalizations. <g> Let's see... how to parse 'Pfctdayelise' mnemonically?

I get 'pfc'=='Private, First Class; 't' for Tom, 'Day' (that part is easy!) and an alternative (misspelt) 'else'=='Elise'. Or some such. Thus: PfcTDayElise makes far far more sense to me! <g> (assuming that's a good parsing. If 'dayelise' is a last name variant I've never seen... then it sucks, and I don't even want to entertain what 'pfct' might otherwise represent... 'Perfect' perhaps. (My, how humble you are!??) Hmmmm... your user page is 'light hearted' but gives few clues. Not even sex or age. No Bio at all, at all. Shucks. Well, assuming I parsed that wrong and 'Dayelise is a last name: 'Congradulations for having a more uncommon last name than mine!' (I'll stop playing now!) On to your long message! (Hope you don't mind being teased!) // FrankB 03:23, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
Okay Brianna, that's a sweet name origination. I'm afraid mine is entirely prosaic! I'm essentially in Boston, USA, by the way, and I'd guessed that locus for you on language choice and the edit time distribution. Life would be soooo much better if they got that tool fixed&mdash;should be a function in system software, not a hokey script hack job! I wasn't trying to snoop. The contents of the click box for selecting whichy wiki your parsing are so long I somehow missed it&mdash;presumably because I was mostly focused on 'en' variants.
I'd submit it'd be kinder to the rest of us if you encoded a talk link into your signature! Say: Pfctdayelise
      (Some folks use a 'desk' or contribs links for the third one. I was just trying for red white blue to pull your leg a bit. White disappears over here.
here's another system diff&mdash;it's 'stacking' the font commands here. I think it would have cleared to default over there.

My next door neighbor is from downunder as well... has the cutest baby girl they named Sydney, which is I believe where she is from. One day I hope to visit and walk-about. I'm answering your post on my talk (interleave style), but am also three or four edits away at the moment from getting back to same. Bear with me. (Just sent the reply email too!) ttfn // FrankB 05:24, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

cladogram deletion[edit]

Hi Pfctdayelise,
would you mind deleting Image:Banksiacladogram2.jpg and Image:Banksiacladogram1.jpg. User:Casliber uploaded and GFDL'd them on the grounds that the author had previously given him permission to make use of his work. However these images are from a paper published in the American Journal of Botany, and I should say it is almost certain that copyright is held by the journal rather than the original author. After discussing this with Cas (on the English 'pedia) we agreed that it would be prudent to delete them.
Snottygobble 06:20, 12 July 2006 (UTC)


Why, thank you, I did use my brain. I know exactly what PushForCommons does - I wrote the damn thing. And it's way more useful in finding good/bad uploads than the other pages that are linked from the template. I could turn off the upload buttons if they're annoying when working on commons images, if they are confusing you.In the meantime, I would appreciate it if you would restore my change to the template. --Magnus Manske 07:41, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

Thanks, and no hard feelings :-) I have altered PushForCommons so it won't display the "upload at commons/now commons" buttons when used with commons. --Magnus Manske 14:50, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

Image:Localizacion Ria de Cedeira.Galiza.png[edit]

Hellow Pfctdayelise. (I understand english, but I speak very bad) I thought that, when I upload a own image to Commons, I gave the rights of the image to Commons, for that reason I wrote "Source: Commons".

I will correct the Source. Thanks and a warm greeting--Lmbuga gl, pt, es: contacta comigo 12:24, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

Image:Miss Universe Map.PNG[edit]

ok Ive expanded the description a little and changed the licence to the one you suggested. (i had loaded it as gfdl, but it looks like Joey80 as anon changed it to gfdl-self.) --Astrokey44 16:39, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

Adjectival placenames[edit]

The MakBot attack bunny has gone over the top and and is challenging adjectival categories to single combat.

Among the other house keeping duties, I have redirected the old categories to the new ones. You expressed an interest in redirections. If the kind of conversions MakBot is not doing is not what you had in mind, let me know at your earliest convenience.

  • see User:MakBot/AdvanceNotice2 for old vs new cats. Conversions are being done in alpha order, and the ones in blue in the right hand column the top of the list are complete and may be reviewed.

Thanks. -Mak 22:22, 14 July 2006 (UTC)


What should I do to get a flag? Can you help me, I don't know where to put the request in that page. Thanks a lot..--Helios89 23:37, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

RL needs or Slacking off?[edit]

In appreciation for your patience.

Which ever... hope you're out on the town planning a grand night of the same. I've got your 'reading' almost completed if you come into wikiWork! I've sectionalized it, so just indent... but skim once before asking something already answered. Keep your eye on your email too. I've one sitting to go out on one concern from you, but am opening the venue up to some contacts to brainstorm on how to launch this as an official wikiProject ASAP. It's overdue. See ya soon! // FrankB 03:27, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

Image:World trade center cgpix2001.jpg[edit]

Sorry... You can verify the license of this site for me?

João Felipe C.S 19:46, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

Category:Against policy[edit]

115. Just sharing my frustration =P It keeps on growing for some reason! >< I started unlinking images I delete. It's taking some time, but your translations make it much simpler! What do you say we try and bring it down under 50 for once? —UED77 09:04, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

Some COAs[edit]

In order to give someone else the chance to have a second judgement of the issue where I am not absolutly sure. The cc-by-nc license is by the Geneawiki. However, these COAs might be in the PD. --ALE! 15:00, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

Seems ok. --ALE! 07:37, 18 July 2006 (UTC)


testing, 1, 2, 3... pfctdayelise (translate?) 15:31, 17 July 2006 (UTC)


I just thought I had to give the uploader an opportunity to explain himself... You have to take into account that those images are affected by a special clause of the current Spanish copyright laws. It's not totally clear if they are in the public domain or not. I think they are still copyrighted, but I'm not a lawyer. --Dodo 08:34, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

Do briefs stink??[edit]

This page is protected and clutters up the Special:Uncategorizedpages. Can you delete it, otherwise categorize it in Category:Useless pages? Thanks. --Juiced lemon 09:51, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

Why I didn't remove the names[edit]

Because I thought that coming back to it after a few days, Icould go back to those I had marked as not OK and check on their further/past contributions. And as it is, it is a few days after, and I'm gonna go back and see what has become of my not OK people! notafish }&lt;&#39;;&gt; 13:12, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

Oh, and I forgot. WikiThanks.png Thanx for the amazing work you're doing here on Commons. notafish }&lt;&#39;;&gt; 13:43, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

Since we're both here[edit]

What do you make of this? I am tempted to transfer it to en: and tag it fair use. But look at its use on en and the caption of the image, it seems it is made by the guy who uploaded it (the button that is). So? notafish }&lt;&#39;;&gt; 14:00, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

I think you misunderstood me. I have no reason not to believe it's not his pic. What I am not sure about, is whether the subject of the image does not fall under fair use. Even if *he* made the button himself. The person on the button has a right to an image, and I don't know what political promotional material fall under. My take would be fair use. Hence exit Commons. I believe he is the one who took the pic. (I mean hey, that's a pretty obscure campaign isn't it?) I would have double tagged the image fair use (for the subject) and PD (for the photo) on en. notafish }&lt;&#39;;&gt; 15:05, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
Or we could also ask him. And gain time. notafish }&lt;&#39;;&gt; 15:47, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
Or....look at this and this and decide it's his button, and his photo... notafish }&lt;&#39;;&gt;
I am concerned about the fact that making a photo of something, even a button you made with your own hands for an obscure little political campaign, does not make you the copyright holder of that something (in this case, the image of the woman, the slogan, the design, what do I know). In the end, I would argue (if I were a purist), that the button is his (the make) the photo is his (the photo of the THING button) and that the photo/design of the campaign fall under copyright. But you are right, I think all of it is ok. Thanks for putting up with me and my renewed interest in commons, I had lost faith. notafish }&lt;&#39;;&gt; 16:21, 18 July 2006 (UTC)


Can you revert: A Guarda, Category:A Guarda and Image:Escudo A Coruña.jpg? I revert manually but an user insist in change categories and texts. These edits broken category scheme of these images, categories and pages of Commons. Thanks. --Prevert(talk) 16:45, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

Solve. --Prevert(talk) 19:50, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

Milosevic picture deleted?[edit]

I saw that you deleted the picture from the swedish wikipedia part of Slobodan Milosevic because it was against the copyright rules, but why when it stands "Slobodan Milosevic official portrait from which is fair use and also it is not copyrighted" on the English part? --Narcissist 20:57, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

Okey, i just saw that it stood "2 juni 2006 kl.14.14 (Diskussion) (Removing image, this image is a suspected copyright violation and will soon be deleted from the Commons:. (commons:User:pfctdayelise))" in the history-log.

I checked it up on Commons and i saw that it wasn't you who deleted it?

"11:29, 12 June 2006 Thuresson (Talk | contribs) deleted "Image:Smilo.jpg" (Fair use from :en:Image:Smilo.jpg) 21:11, 12 March 2006 Crux (Talk | contribs) deleted "Image:Smilo.jpg" (Fair Use)"

The english part have uploaded it on their own server, with another filename so probably they had the picture on Commons before.

--Narcissist 08:41, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

I thought it was Smilo.jpg you deleted, anyway it stood that it was "fair use" but not copyrighted. Do you think it's ok that I upload it on the swedish server? Haven't learn all the copyright-rules yet. --Narcissist 09:59, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

Image talk:NEUTEFFECT1.jpg[edit]

Please see my comments there. Be aware this user has had several of these images deleted previously as copyvio. - Amgine 03:35, 19 July 2006 (UTC)


I was wondering if you can help me with categorising this image to keep the Alexander Turnbull Library (New Zealand) happy. At present the image is tagged PD-old, but in an email the library has said the following to me:

While the image looks great we do have one concern. When you click on the image you are taken to a page where the following text appears in a grey box:
"This image (or other media file) is in the public domain because its copyright has expired. This applies to the United States, Canada, the European Union and those countries with a copyright term of life of the author plus 70 years."
While the image is indeed out of copyright, it is the Library's role to administer the use of the images as heritage objects. The cited text suggests that anyone can take the image and use it for whatever purpose. This undermines the Library's ability to protect the item from inappropriate use (incorrect citation, poor quality reproductions, etc). If it is possible can this box please be removed. The following text must be inserted in the caption underneath the image: "Permission of the Alexander Turnbull Library, Wellington, New Zealand, must be obtained before any re-use of this image."

Is there a way to do this? Seems they want to have control even over old pix like this. I would like to do my best to keep them happy because they are a really great source of worthwhile NZ pix. Kahuroa 06:53, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for your reply - will do as you suggest. here is the link to the image on the Turnbull site - tho their server seems to be having problems at the moment, this does work usually [9]. Kahuroa 12:44, 19 July 2006 (UTC)


As far as I see, it's Czech or Slovak. Ask user:Zirland to fix it, couse he is Czech :)--WarX 08:46, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

Strangely misfiled?[edit]

Hi! See Seems totally screwed up and disconnected from 'meaning'... {I was trying to run down why {{DATETIME}} is giving a newline when should get a colon here instead.) I've moved the talk on the template cum system. Need you to figure out what are good template names for you. Gotta run! emails in my pipeline. // FrankB 17:53, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

Add to above, my sig's timestamp is 'mutilated' in (see top note in bold) user:fabartus/tmp1. Since we're on same, this needs a speedy-delete: Template:User:fabartus/tmp1
Ahhhhhh! OIC, 'DATETIME' and sig mutilation both occur in ';' prefixed sub-heading lines... The system software is creating a newline (linfeed) plus indent when used in the timestamps. (Note: Just tested on en.wp... has same problem there: ( // FrankB 19:34, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
re: I can see how you're confused, but {{TIME}} is a speedy delete tag because on en.wp it's a fair use tag. See en:Template:TIME. This is to stop people blindly copying fair use images to Commons. Similarly template:fair use, template:promotional. pfctdayelise (translate?) 01:43, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
Ooops I said nothing regarding Template:TIME... (Dang!... Misstatement in my original note should have said {{CURRENTTIME}} {{space|4} ...[also notice the rendered and displayed redlink as is system call!]) ... but was
    as I was talking about the seeming misbehaviour of template:DATETIME, which is used for timestamping things... In this case, archiving my talk page.
'It'expands to {{CURRENTTIME}}, {{CURRENTDAY}} {{CURRENTMONTHNAME}} {{CURRENTYEAR}} ... which, iirc, are hardwired calls to system software... and I believe the function calls which tack on said timestamping as part of one's signature, for example.
The matter is moot unless you want to report the ebedded colon misbehavior as a minor bug, as is cross wiki-behaviour, which was my reason for adding the OIC part to the prior note. So you could know to ignore this whole thread. Regards // FrankB 14:01, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

Flags and other stuff[edit]

Re your message on commons-l from June 30, 2006: did you see en:Wikipedia:Copyright on emblems? It grew out of the discussions at en:Wikipedia:Templates_for_deletion/Log/2006_June_20#Template:FOTWpic... an official word on it would still be good, but I don't think we'll ever get that. I've also asked both Michael Snow and Soufron to review en:WP:PD, without success. Finally, as I wrote over at Commons:Village_pump#Anyone_going_to_Wikimania?, I think you should re-post that message at foundation-l, I think you're likely to get more input there than on the relatively quiet commons-l. Cheers, Lupo 09:00, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

"w:Wikipedia:Copyright on emblems seems to be pretty US-law-centric"... I know. I'm most familiar with the U.S. regulations, and it was the easiest to find useful sources for. I've tried to give a somewhat wider perspective by including links to international copyright treaties where applicable, and discussing a few cases from outside the U.S., but it could still be improved. It's basically a question of when a work passes the threshold of originality, and that varies between countries. So once again, we're back at the question of which laws to apply... Still, AFAIK, the U.S. rules are pretty common for once, except for the typography bit and the coloration. User:David Newton recently expressed the opinion that coloration alone was not sufficient to warrant a new copyright in Australia at Template:Deletion_requests#Image:Naval_Ensign_of_Australia.svg. As I said, a review by some professionals (preferrably including some from outside the U.S.) would be good to have... Lupo 11:44, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
Re "snide remarks at commons": then don't mention commons exclusively. It's a common problem also at the English Wikipedia! Your questions are not that Commons-specific, after all. At en:, we also have the same problems (and the same problematic "PD" tags!) Lupo 11:44, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
Image deletion warning Image:Bride underneath veil.jpg has been listed at Commons:Deletion requests. If you feel that this image should not be deleted, please go there to voice your opinion on its entry.
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A.J. 09:39, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

What to do about[edit]

... image galleries which seem well categorized, but are not here.

That is see: Category:United States Navy images, and note the parent cat (redlink) brought in from en.wp when tagging it's sister-project cat (and all those many images (via the sister link) which need further sub-categorized, as far as I can see.) Since these are PD by law, seemed the right thing to do in creating this cat here... which already had an image. Should I do the same with that heirarchy suggested by said parent category (US Military Images or whatever), or do you all have something in place already? // FrankB 20:09, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

Image:BibelTV-logo.jpg - Copyvio ?[edit]

Hello Pfctdayelise, could you please help me, I would like to get your opinion. In my opinion this image is {{Copyvio}}. Thanks for your help. --- gildemax 08:05, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

Thanks. I will ask at de: Commons:Forum --- gildemax 10:27, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

Uncategorized images[edit]


I am categorizing various items of Wikimedia commons. At the moment, I have some problem with User:Mac9 who uncategorize several images (and revert my changes) :

Please, can you explain to this user that images must be categorized ? --Juiced lemon 09:44, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

Is this permitted? - cont'd...[edit]

Hi! I'm just following up on Commons:Village_pump#Is_this_permitted.3F because you posted a comment that appeared to indicate I should mark the image in question for deletion myself image:nfpony.jpg. I'm quite happy to do so, I think I've got the hang of what is acceptable or not, and I absolutely do not want to cry over red tape, but simply to learn! I am also still unclear as to the tool suggested to copy images from sister projects, when to use it, the why and the who.
Kind regards,
--Wilma Sweden 20:46, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

Speedy Delete? no[edit]

Hi Pfctdayelise, :Image:Carton de Wiart.jpg has been given a 'SpeedyDelete' tag, but copyright permission is on the talk page & is referred to. Is there any way the tag can be got rid of? GrahamBould 05:49, 27 July 2006 (UTC)


Some obvious copyvios, blocked on en.wikt: after deleting user page and talk page. --Connel MacKenzie 15:48, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

Sorry: a software glitch made look like .50%. The en.wikt: user was .50.% by the way. --Connel MacKenzie 22:19, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

Check a dleted picture[edit]

Hi! Is it possible for a sysop like you to visualize a deleted picture? I have strong doubts about Image:Etruscan Figurine Vase.jpg and I'd like to check if it's the same picture as the late Image:Paris-Louvre-Etruscan artefact.jpg. Thanks for your help Jastrow 17:45, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

= Last days of Pompeii[edit]

Has appeared again on COM:DEL. It it really impossible to find out the OTRS-ticket number? NielsF 21:56, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

Running for bureaucrat/checkuser?[edit]

It looks like Commons lacks bureaucrats (and checkusers) again. I think you could be a great one. --EugeneZelenko 03:02, 28 July 2006 (UTC)


I don't understand...

João Felipe C.S 03:36, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

The English... Do you speak portuguese?

João Felipe C.S 19:06, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

I need some help[edit]

Hi, please check this image KU_kJAH.jpg - stands for Khulna University-Khan Jahan Ali Hall. I am sorry I made a typing mistake making the second k lowercase. Can you please fix it for me by making it KU_KJAH.jpg or can you please tell me if I can do it myself? Thanks. Sayutee 17:35, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

Template talk:Own work[edit]

I couldn't find any discussion where the template was agreed to be deprecated in [what links to Template:Own work. May be, this was a result of the discussion at Commons:Village pump archive-30#Tags for images missing info.

I agree with your comment in talk; now the image you mentioned in the template talk has been deleted for lack of licencing. How do we go about asking to "un-deprecate" this tag? -- Paddu 08:44, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

about ac/dc pic[edit]

look, i'm sorry about lying about copyright. as of now, i will not add any files to this site unless they were taken or scanned by me, for real. by the way, are scanned files even allowed on this site? --ACDCDude718 18:02, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

license question[edit]

i'm trying to upload a scanned book cover, and i'm having trouble. if it's your own book, what license should a scanned book cover be? --ACDCDude718 20:08, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

"Hash mark redirected categories"[edit]


Regarding edits like this, please be aware that having any more than one line destroys the RDR. You can keep the RDR in tact by placing categories on the same line as the #REDIRECT. cheers, pfctdayelise (translate?) 10:41, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

Works for me, jumping from the hash mark redirect page, or typing the category in the hash box. In what cases does it not work for you? -Mak 15:29, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
Perhaps it didn't use to work that way. It is very nice to know that someone is checking what I am doing. I am trying to be careful due to the breadth of some of the changes I am making. But I do make mistakes, and when I do sometimes they are quite silly. Regards, -Mak

Fred for Bureaucrat too[edit]

Eugene and I are trying to get Fred Chessplayer to allow a nomination for Bureaucrat. User_talk:Fred_chessplayer#Bureaucrat Actually sent that note to fred before Eugene put his name up for Bureaucrat.

I basically can't reach any bureaucrat now, and we need at least two active. Would you join Eugene and I in encouraging Fred to allow his nomination? -Mak 20:20, 3 August 2006 (UTC)


Actually, the sentence was a small joke. Most folks living in southern Europe are familiar with those names- that is- if they get around at all. But most would probably say Venezia for Venice. Which is correct in Italian. But actually in Venetian (which is not a derivative of Italian, but a unique romance language like Catalan), the spelling is Venessia. With only two million speakers of Venetian nearly all of whom speak it as a secondary language, it is a pretty obscure fact. -Mak 16:30, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

cat redirect[edit]

Colour scheme really bites. I saw your remark and since you agree, I will change. Proposal simply nukes the pumpkin:

(proposal 1 that left the red border)

I really don't care if they are two other colours of your choosing. I presume you understand the concept of clashing colours. Whatever gearhead set them the way they did obviously doesn't. -Mak 20:47, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

Funny. Right. It is not an emergency. I do prefer it obvious that there is something unusual and important about the text on the category page that the person really ought to glance at. I don't know about you but sometimes I am moving so fast I can easily overlook text as diminutive as the "original text" you pointed to. So can we keep with the general In Your Face kind of size? Here is the version without the red border.


am I getting closer? feel free to change as you wish. -Mak


Hi! I would accept an arbitration comitee, but I have several questions about it (read in Commons:Village Pump, please). Perhaps you should ask it to Pmmollet, because he's also involved. In fact, he noticed me first about the changes he was disappointing, and so the trouble started. --Joanot Martorell &#9993; 08:22, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

Hello Pfct, I'm sorry but can't accept the arbitration. I'm not neutral enough in this issue, as Martorell and I have had some differences about it in the past, here and in es:wiki. We're both from the same country and this is a very controversial matter in Spain, so maybe someone who isn't involved neither belongs to the country could deal with this problem from the exclusive point of view of commons policies. Sorry, friend :-( Anna 22:52, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
About the arbitration: I've read up a bit after your question, haven't been that active lately. I sincerely would want to try, however there are two caveats: firstly I'm confused myself about commons policy with regard to category names, some examples Martorell named (e.g. Category:Sevilla instead of Category:Seville) seem right to me, but according to the English name = category name policy it would be wrong. Furthermore I'm slightly biased against Martorell's actions, blocking, if it just for two hours, is IMHO not a good way to go for an admin. So I'd like to try, but I don't think I'm the most qualified person for the job. NielsF 01:07, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
I'm going on holidays for two weeks. I hope you find a third party until that, so. As a see-u-goodbye I leave here a photo of one of the places I'm going to visit. I hope also you and the wikicommonist like it. Cheers. --Joanot Martorell &#9993; 13:52, 6 August 2006 (UTC) PD: Please, I would prefer a person who has good skills in Spanish, French and English, if it's possible.

I will[edit]

You know what-- considering what you wrote to me not so long ago, I will start to discuss my thoughts and my actions better with nice people such as you (if you don't mind) or Arnomane, Duesentrieb, etc. Kindly remind me if I forget my promise. / Fred Chess 21:11, 5 August 2006 (UTC)


Thank you for the support and the congratulations. Jkelly 02:11, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

Page-duplication at Commons:Village pump archive-30[edit]

This protected archive page has its entire text except for:

{{Village pump archives}}

duplicated. Can you fix this? I asked at COM:VP but got no response.

Thanks! -- Paddu 08:16, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

Thanks, it is fixed now. -- Paddu 21:40, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

Arbitration and the likes[edit]

Hmm I guess Martorell will have read my comment above as well, so I guess he'll be hesitant to accept me. Furthermore his wishes are a little steep (english, french ánd spanish, pfew). The only person (admin) I could find by browsing Template:List_of_administrators_by_language that would qualify 'd be notafish. Anyway back to your post: I'd be willing to hear their arguments and 'll try to forget behaviour, as both parties haven't behaved according to Wikiquette it should be possible for me to ignore that. nl.wp unfortunately has no arbcom or something like that, it has volunteer mediators though; en.wp's arbitration process has several steps, afaik, with the arbcom being the last step, before that mediation is recommended, but hey, I'm hardly ever on en.wp, 'cause I don't like the bureaucratism there, too many procedures, not enough common sense. Anyway, if the parties would accept me I'd be willing to hear their arguments, read up on policy where needed and try to reach a workable consensus. Cheers, NielsF 22:58, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

I think NielsF is properly aware of linguitic questions. So, I agree with the choice of this user as arbitrator. When do you expect my arguments ? --Juiced lemon 12:09, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
Hi! It's Martorell from a wifi hotspot. I'm still on holidays, but I advance that I've no problem to accept NielsF as a third party opinion. I prefer that arguments managed by Juiced lemon first to be pointed out, as the conflict was started by this user. I'm going right back in few days, so I will point my reasons soon. In the other hand, about blocking Juiced lemon, I've done it only for two hours because of ongoing editwar crussade. I think that I should to be responsible as admin volunteer in any situation I'm involved, so it means to assume risks. Cheers! --Joanot Martorell &#9993; 14:30, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

Imposter account?[edit]

At User talk:AdmKesher, User:AdmKesher is asserting that they are en:User:AdamKesher, but could not create User:AdamKesher because someone had already taken that account name. The AdamKesher account was used to make absurd claims of owning the copyright to two BBC images whose subject matter is the material that en:User:AdamKesher works on. I am tempted to block the AdamKesher account here upon receiving verification at en: that the account is an imposter. Can you think of a reason that I shouldn't do this? Jkelly 03:11, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Nevermind. The issue has apparantly been settled; the account was created and forgotten about by the same user all along. Jkelly 03:53, 7 August 2006 (UTC)


Hello, could you give me a hand? Last night I advised User talk:Coyotewrw about a request of authorization and he's added the consent this way. Maybe I'm a bit distrustful but I think the heading of the mail showing there's been a real exchange of messages should have been attached along with the permission, at least that's the way we do it in es:wiki, as I haven't had the chance to handle any of the special commons emails templates I'm not quite sure. What do you think? Anna 22:26, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

I didn't know you had access to OTRS, ignorant me :( Thank you very much for the work. Cheers. Anna 22:34, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

no lang template for color corrected[edit]

Thanks, but that template is just illustration now. When we are decided that we want such a certification template, and the text of the the certification stabilizes, we will commence creation of a real lang set of translations. At this time, anything that puts up a bunch of languages will give an idea of the layout so people are detered from sticking a lot of text in the description (since the languages will take up substantial space.) Okey dokey? -Mak 15:54, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

Deletion request[edit]

Hi! Could you please delete the second version of Image:Annibal.JPG (2304×3456, 3 088 835 octets, uploaded by myself)? I re-uploaded the same original picture by mistake, instead of the tweaked version I intended to. I hope I make myself clear, it's a bit complicated. Jastrow 17:02, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

Alno's RfA[edit]

You're not a 'crat, however you're the most 'senior' person I know here. Could you please convince some bureaucrat to close Commons:Administrators/Requests_and_votes/Alno ASAP, cause I don't think it should last any longer because of inadmissability according to guidelines (more than 200 contribs). NielsF 02:00, 10 August 2006 (UTC)( On second thought, is inadmissability a word?)

Inadmissability seems to be at least Ozzie English, as you didn't comment on that ;-). I tried before to get User:Andre Engels, fellow Dutchie and bureaucrat, to intervene when MakBot needed a botbit, but he wasn't very forthcoming. The problem with Commons seems to be that it's a second project (and yes I plead guilty, although I at least try to respond on talk messages as soon as possible) for almost all contributors (you and a few others barred). Anyway, I've asked Arnomane about the RfA and I hope he'll take a decision soon. NielsF 02:19, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
Yeah read his mailing list reply, however, I asked him on and he responded there, so he read my request, but didn't take it into consideration or couldn't be bothered; it was mixed in with some "local issues" so he might not have understood. NielsF 02:35, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
Hi pfctdayelise, and thanks for your message.
I really understand your position, I think I may have the same behaviour if I had to vote for an adminship request on fr: for someone who seems to be really young in the project (low editcount and recent account creation - even if some high editcount is sometimes not relevant). However, I'm used to first read the FAQs when I want to contribute somewhere on the internet :) Here on Commons, I've been reading much more than I wrote!
Anyway, I will not be angry if I am not admin here, I'll just try to help of my best, and see later (in a few monthes at least) if I can help more by asking again for adminship :)
Thank you again for your kind message,
Best regards from France,
-- AlNo (talk) 09:03, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

Four questions[edit]

So... I've posted four questions on my talk page. Do you think you could answer any of them?

Thanks. --Evrik 20:42, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

Chasing a sockpuppeter on en.wikt[edit]


Chasing a sockpuppeter/vandal on en.wikt:, I found he had another username here:

and for some reason, doubt that he created these images himself. I don't know how to track them down as copyvios, though.

--Connel MacKenzie 17:44, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

Thank you.
I've a new vandal today, using Image:Penis eregiert.jpg for (duh) vandalism only. --Connel MacKenzie 21:28, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
Thank you for your handy tips (as always!) You are the best! --Connel MacKenzie 07:05, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

Image talk:Polynesia-triangle.png[edit]

Perhaps you remember dealing with the tag on this imgage before when I had asked some questions on the VP about it. You changed it to GFDL as it is a derivative of a GFDL image. The editor who last contributed to it insists on re-tagging it as Public Domain. I have tried explaining to him about derivatives, but he does not understand me. Can you weigh in here as I know you have previously examined the situation?--BirgitteSB 18:17, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

I tried to do as you suggested with the old files. But I do not work much at Commons and rarely uplosd things at any project and I screwed it up. In any event the version I started with is at Image:Polynesia..png and the version as it was after my own contribution is at Image:Polynesia.JPG. Please feel free to delete these whenever there use for comparision is over the newer file is definately superior. My own version is particularly crude as I changed the German words to English with MS Paint :) Very crude, but the image was in high demand at the time. Anyways I am interested in how this will all work out as regards the line being drawn on derivatives and whether maps are creative works at all. I must say after seeing a spectacular exhibit on cartography at the Boston Public Library it is hard for me to believe the choices involved with mapmaking are not creative ones. I have simply seen too many different ways to show equivalent information for me to believe they are not creative decisions.--BirgitteSB 21:23, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

Admin noticeboard?[edit]

Is there such a thing, where one reports copyvio uploaders, possible blockings, etc?

Or get attention of admins who speak a specific license.

Fred Chess 10:14, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

Alexander Turnbull Library[edit]

I haven't heard from the Wikipedia Foundation board - so maybe if you could write to them as you suggested above. Cheers Kahuroa 12:03, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

Can this picture be deleted?[edit]

Hi! I found a picture of me, cut from a larger picture, here on Commons. Since I don't consider myself "encyclopedic", and I haven't granted permission to publish a pucture of me, other than as one of the people standing in the background on a group photo, I would like to have it removed from Commons. Can you do this, please?

Regards, Quistnix 16:16, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

Hi Pfctdayelise :) I happened to see your question at Quistnix' talkpage - and as I told him of the pic... This is it :) Tnx! Noorse 21:46, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

Mexico problem[edit]

Re: User talk:Zirland#You are a FUCKING IDIOT

Regardless of this personal attack... how could you ever think that speedy deleting 120 images, without even making a simple attempt to contact the user who was the uploader of nearly if not all of them, when they are still in use - how could you ever think that was a good idea? That heavily used/established templates should always go through COM:DEL would hardly need to be said, I would have thought, but apparently it does. We are not in the business of "deleting at all costs". This is not one of your better judgements. pfctdayelise (translate?) 05:10, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

According to Commons policy, copyvio images are considered as subject to speedy delete. From many discussions I got understand, that copyvio images can be deleted even without unlinking. Correct me if I am wrong. The images was marked as non commercial for approx. one week and later the tag was explicitely changed to "speedy". I checked the non commercial license on source web page (well I cant read spanish, but CC logo was clear to me). I had no idea about the e-mail, that now mistically appeared. I see this topic on Village Pump... well I think it is hard to say anything more about this now. I do not intend to react to "FUCKING IDIOT", I just wanted to tell you my reasons. --Zirland 11:48, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for the information of the complaint. I can only agree: the e-mail with full e-mail header, that now mistically appeared . Have a look at Commons:Village_pump#Complain_about_User:Gildemax_and_User:Zirland where I did write an answer. --gildemax 17:49, 13 August 2006 (UTC)


I never see you there, luv... Cary "Bastique" Bass parler voir 13:30, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

You're next! Cary "Bastique" Bass parler voir 21:00, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

BradPatrick really exists[edit]

Hello. I exist. The tagging of the images in my gallery space is explained here.--BradPatrick 14:17, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

Attack page again[edit]

I guess you'll have to delete that attack page again (and block the creator)... Lupo 12:40, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

Re: signature links[edit]

Hi, sorry for the inconvenience.
I've initially designed my signature for projects where I do not contribute much.
Is that one more accurate?
-- AlNo (talk) 12:17, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

COM:DEL and stuff[edit]

OK, I understand what you mean now about template subpages, I'm not all that familiar with the technical aspects of MediaWiki; hope my newness doesn't seem too stupid :) I'm trying to get a feel for how things happen on Commons and my current impression is that a lot of policy stuff here is quite disorganized, where is the blocking policy for instance? COM:DEL is a prime example of Commons problems, glad you like my splitting suggestions there. It seems like COM:VP is another page that needs reform, IMO it would help if there was a page like en:WP:AIV on Commons.--Nilfanion 14:12, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

Hey thanks. To be honest I'd rather learn about the technical of stuff here than on en.wp anyway, as that place is a bit oppressive at times. I agree most users here have familiarity with the basics from their main wiki, I do have that understanding (as well as a hatred for copyvio). I think you are probably right about there not being enough blocks for copyvios. Perhaps, a short block on Commons would be more effective if combined with a block on their "home"? And yes, I know about everyone being overworked and underpaid...--Nilfanion 14:38, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
I'm not quite hiding from en.wp here :P I suppose here, as the community is smaller its generally nicer.
Yeah I agree now I've thought about the blocking stuff, they are a slap on the face not a punishment (unless its indef).
On the subject of problem users, I've been chasing up a user both here and on for a lot of copyvios, could you check his uploads out? Theres a number of copyvios: some tagged as speedys (by me), some with long expired nsd's and some I have put up to COM:DEL. However he seems to have abandoned commons and is uploading on en so a block here would mean nothing anyway.--Nilfanion 16:54, 17 August 2006 (UTC)


Hiya, must be getting tired of the questions probably, but here's another one: [10]. This image has been nominated, voted upon and deleted by one and the same person, before the 7 days of a nomination on COM:DEL had passed. In nl.wikipedia this would've been not done, and it'd be normal to let the request stand and ask another admin to do it (via IRC or talk page, to at least have 2 sets of eyes). I'm still trying to grasp the nuances of Commons' unwritten rules, because there are many it seems, so I'm asking you. My gut feeling is that this isn't "proper behaviour" for an admin but if that's accepted behaviour here, ok. Cheers, NielsF 00:07, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

OK; thanks for the answer. Guess this is were some cultural wiki-differences come into play. Btw I didn't disagree with this particular deletion, but it was more an example for me of something I wasn't sure of how it's handled here. NielsF 14:46, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
This is wrong procedure. I've seen Erin do this before. I think she will get problems if she keeps it up. / Fred Chess 16:04, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
What? I don't much like stumbling upon these discussions about me going on behind my back. Look, I'm sorry if I have deleted an image before the full 7 days. If I did so, it was a mistake and you had only to point it out. I clearly acted in good faith, and we are talking about an image that the uploader wanted to have deleted, nobody wanted to keep, and had always been an orphan.
A totally separate issue is that of being both the nominator for deletion and the admin who carries out the deletion. I am very offended at the nasty implication that I am doing something dodgy or against policy. Show me a policy that says that a listing cannot be closed by the person that opened it, and I shall abide by that policy. However, I can hardly be expected to abide by policies that are only in your head.
I am not behaving badly. On the contrary, I am being a very good janitor by searching for images that need to be deleted, and seeing the process through from beginning to end. Haven't you seen the huge backlog at Commons:Deletion requests and Category:Candidates for speedy deletion? It is massive, and as many admins as possible are urgently needed in order to fight our way through the flood of files. If we had more hard-working admins, I could sit back and relax. But all too often, if I don't deal with something, it doesn't get dealt with. I am owed an apology here. &mdash; Erin (talk) 04:17, 19 August 2006 (UTC)
OK, I have edited the relevant page. If nobody reverts, then we can consider this policy from now on. But not retrospectively. &mdash; Erin (talk) 04:48, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

The Weather Project[edit]

Hi Pfctdayelise,

I noticed your comment on User:Pfctdayelise/Other people's pictures about Ólafur Elíasson's The Weather Project at the Tate Modern. Perhaps you already know, but unfortunately those aren't people walking on the ceiling. It was actually a very large bank of mirrors that covered the ceiling of the turbine hall. In fact the yellow/orange 'sun' was just half a disk illuminated by a bank of sodium lamps, the top half of the sun's disk is really a reflection. Other aspects of the weather were simulated using mist generators around the sides of the hall, but they were easily overlooked.

One of the interesting things about The Weather Project installation was the emergent behaviour of viewers. After a while people started to enjoy lying on the concrete floor of the turbine hall, basking in the rays from the fake sun. However when lying on the floor, you were left looking at yourself and the strangers around you in the mirror 35m overhead. During crowded times, groups of people tended to arrange themselves in star patterns, or made synchronised movements, in order to be able to recognised themselves in the reflected throng.

By the way, you can find another image of the installation on the English wiki at and probably many more on the web. -- Solipsist 20:55, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for that information, very interesting. I had no idea. :) However in that image, the reflection doesn't look right. There seem to be a lot more people on the 'ceiling' than on the ground. How come? BTW, did you get to see it in person? pfctdayelise (translate?) 14:42, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
Yes, that's a little confusing. You need to know the layout of the Tate Modern. The turbine hall is a large void in the middle of the old powerstation. Its 35m high (about seven or eight stories) and I guess about 120m long. Most of the floor is at a basement level, but the ground floor doors at the west end of the building lead on to a long ramp sloping down to the middle of the hall. The doors on the north side of the building arrive at a smaller mezzanine level in the middle of the room with railings look down to the main floor below and some steps leading down. The second picture is taken from near the west end door, so you can see the sloping floor leading underneath the mezzanine level. Whilst in the first picture, the view point is from the mezzanine floor with several people lined up along the railings, but the reflection from the ceiling mirrors is mostly of people on the lower floor level at the east end of the building.
An yes, I saw the Weather Project a couple of times - it was quite captivating. In fact I think I've seen all the main Unilever sponsored installations in the turbine hall, apart from the 2002 installation by Anish Kapoor [11].
By the way, the Tate has recently launched plans to double the size of their exhibition space by building a ten story Herzog & de Meuron extention on to the south side of the building, sometime in the next five years [12]. -- Solipsist 13:50, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

re: Images[edit]

I have already provided source information for those images. I have thus met all requirements. To make you happy, though (because you're assuming bad faith), I will provide additional information. I don't intend to do anymore.--Tynt22 06:57, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

Arbitration again[edit]

Hiya, regarding your question: I've made a subpage User:NielsF/Arbitration, based on the mediation procedure on nl: which is a lot less complicated than the extremely bureaucratic one on en:. Any comments? NielsF 00:14, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

apart from the obvious during this arbitration thingy, which I had incorporated in an earlier version that was unfortunately lost during a FF crash... thank you for pointing that out, what do you think of the timeline and different phases in the arbitration? I wanted (and am planning to) ask other users for their opinion in COM:VP, so I can weigh multiple arguments, but am doubting whether it's going to be just useful or might render the attempt unfeasible because of everyone "spamming" their opinion on the arbitration. Also, do you think other people should be bound by this, at least until completely new arguments are brought forward, I'm thinking yes at the moment? Just trying to get it right here... NielsF 03:00, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

Just poking around[edit]

Interesting 'tagging', why wouldn't these be tagged as "text" or "Logo" with Snow and Ice on, instead of being grouped with the nature sciences stuff, then sub-classed. The only one listed is the image given as an example!
    While I'm asking newbie questions, should there be any images in this at all? I'd think not.
   Is there a general tag to indicate (say apply when one finds something definitely miss tagged) something needs retagged by ICS? That is a category that is patrolled by the more expert editors and gang edited as a result to clean up the contents.
   One person can immediately know such and such belongs to so and so, etc. // FrankB 14:33, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

Image:Checking if cake is done.JPG[edit]

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Julo 19:21, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

translation tr[edit]

Hi Pfctdayelise, i fix some gramatic things on User:Pfctdayelise/Translations for Turkish part. Cheers --Ugur Basak 12:38, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

Socks ??[edit]

Hi, could you please look into the contributions of users: Sunshade1 and Digon3. I may smell sockpuppetry here. Thanks. Lycaon 08:09, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for your reply. As for now, I'll just monitor. There haven't been 'double votes' yet. Lycaon 07:02, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

We are brothers. As for voting we try not to do 'double votes' and be more careful to not vote on the same pictures from now on. --Sunshade1 12:31, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

Arbitration (User:Martorell)[edit]


I don't understand your answer about the arbitration. User:Martorell informed you that he is no more in holidays, and changed his talk page consequently.

So I expect this arbitration to begin soon. --Juiced lemon 11:32, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the notice. I'm however very busy atm, so not editing much. In a couple of days I'll have more time, so arbitration can start... I'm going to notice Martorell and Juiced Lemon about the page and give them a couple of days to say if there's anything in there they strongly object to (although I cannot think of anything atm). I'll set the start at 30th of August, 18:00 UTC. Cheers, NielsF 17:04, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

re:Alexander Turnbull Library/Wikipedia Board/Two weeks later[edit]


Just reminding you as you requested me to, about the ongoing ATL/old pics issue, that 2 weeks are up since you emailed the board. And also, I have another question, about the picture on en:Te Atairangikaahu. Is this a kosher licence in your opinion - if so I would quite like to use the pic (of Te Atairangikaahu (Māori Queen, recently deceased)) on the Māori language Wikipedia Kahuroa 06:24, 29 August 2006 (UTC)


I really think you should run. Dbenbenn and I are the only bureaucrats outside of Europe, and he's totally missing right now. Cary "Bastique" Bass parler voir 03:45, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

Actually not the country that's interesting but the Time Zone. Between 1:00AM and 6:00AM UTC I am pretty much the only bureaucrat that may be around, notably with dbenbenn not around. Also, I'm the only one with English as my native language. And, we have no Chinese speakers. Cary "Bastique" Bass parler voir 14:35, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

OTRS check...[edit]

I ran across Image:Motorola International 3200.JPG. Can you check its OTRS # (Listed as 2006082310005641)? Thanx. 03:13, 1 September 2006 (UTC) todo

Thought you'd be interested[edit]

Check out Ti mi (talk · contribs)

You said "we need more images of female masturbation". / Fred Chess 13:12, 1 September 2006 (UTC)


Getting back to Commons:Help_desk#Mistake_in_a_picture: I have made the necessary correction as well as I could. See this: Image:Polea-simple-movil2.jpg.
(The original contributor CR has not been active for over two years and may not be available to do it.) I have selected the same licence as Image:Polea-simple-movil.jpg. Do you think this can replace the original? It is not perfect yet, I know...:(. --Johjak 11:55, 3 September 2006 (UTC)


I blocked this user as an impersonator of you, it claimed it was your bot.[13] Having seen similar "bots" lately, I decided to shoot on sight, if its wrong unblock :) --Nilfanion 00:22, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

At least I got that one before it started vandalizing...--Nilfanion 12:47, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

A question for you, Pfctdayelise[edit]

Brianna, will you upload some photos of yourself in your bra/knickers, bikini and work uniform for use on Wikipedia?? Oh, and some photos of your underwear too, for the people of enwiki... --JoanneB 11:50, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

Thx :) Przykuta 12:44, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
I always go with problems to the Bar :) But we have only 26 version of village pump. One bar for one language. Sorry, that I write about this problem at en village pump. I think that it is (search) problem for many users. Huh... Where is village pump for all? :) Przykuta 13:04, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

Note this is an impersonator.[14]--Nilfanion 13:48, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

Please undelete images[edit]

Hi, I was wondering If you could undelete the images of so I could use them at wikinews as publicity (may be to old to do that). Thanks. Bawolff 01:55, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for undeleting, I have transfered them all. Bawolff 22:52, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

P.S. Image:Wikinews-logo.png needs a superceeded by svg tag on it - see talk page. Bawolff 22:52, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

Bass Reeve image[edit]

Thanks for answering my question on the help desk. -- SiobhanHansa 01:58, 5 September 2006 (UTC)


What do you think about that as a new namespace (it would be something like portal on Wikipedia) or as a new Wikimedia project? I have tried to write something about this here. Commonswiki is only a repository now, and as a repository is good for users who want to use files to other Wikimedia projects. So, we have thousands galleries. I don't believe that communities of Commons :) want to change existing format/standard, but for people who want to review our images, an album or an atlas is better form, I think. See also my proposition on meta User:Przykuta/evolution of Projects. Przykuta 06:15, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

I don't know which name will be better: New York - album, Cars - album or Album of USA, Atlas of history ? Do you have any suggestions? Przykuta 11:36, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

Re:User talk:Pegado[edit]

I'm speaking with User talk:Pegado. A warm greeting. --Lmbuga gl, pt, es: contacta comigo 13:06, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

Image San Lureenz.jpg[edit]

Hi, sorry for making so many mistakes. I have updated license. Hoing that's fine. Sorry for delay: I was away from commons. Best regards, --Clamengh 17:14, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

Hello, I am updating all other images I uploaded. Inexperience or splitting headache? I am astonished by what I have done... Sorry again. Best regards--Clamengh 17:58, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

Could you please undelete image image:Wikinews_daily_usage_7-2005.png[edit]

This is a slightly outdated statistics image for wikinews (but still good for historical record)

  • It was created by user:NGerda (pretty much has left wikimedia, now at the Never Again wiki)
  • It is based on the information in the wikimedia stats wich no longer exsits (although I think they were GFDL at the time)
  • the user agrees to put image in the public domain

See diff. Thanks. Bawolff 06:14, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

Don't know at which hours pfctdayelise is active, but I restored the image for her. / Fred Chess 06:46, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

RE:Image source[edit]

Please link to the image source of Image:Milan Kernel.jpg. I cannot mind-read! pfctdayelise (translate?) 02:26, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

Fine, but could you please be so kind to explain me what this means exactly? I'm new here. Many thanks, --Clamengh 13:14, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

as promised[edit]

Hi, as promised here a small gift: I tried to improve Commons a lite bit while you were away. ;-) Although I wanted to do more in the meantime I have remodeled the shortcouts: They are now sitting in the upper right edge and consume less screenspace (see for example COM:VP). If you see some ugliness or dislike it please let me know... (I hope that I did catch now almost all glitches that were due to the change, there are some small ones left with translations of COM:ADMIN but I will do that later). Cheers, Arnomane 23:43, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

Milan kernel[edit]

Hello, everything's quite clear now, many thanks. I updated the link. The image at English wikipedia does not seem to have been deleted, though. Please, could you be so kind to check

I made many mistakes there as well, but I am the author of that image so I'd beg you restore it, since I heard nothing by user:Tomia, who deleted it. You could also read about this issue starting from my user page. Many thanks, --Clamengh 16:56, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

Discussion in village pump[edit]

Hi pcf,

I have the impression that many contributors to the bio media are not aware of the current discussion in village pump, many even are not aware of the ToL project. I would like to inform some of them of the current discussion, but this could be viewed as "asking for support". Are there any policies on this? My work is mainly on the Dutch wiki, where asking for support during voting is strongly condemned, but opinions differed last time when people were invited to discussions. I dont know the does and donts in this on the english wiki or on commons.

Whats your view?

tia, TeunSpaans 09:50, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

category:Národní galerie v Praze[edit]

thank you for the Prague Castle category, I'll update the relevant categorization of images from Praha category. In regards to Národní galerie v Praze or National Gallery in Prague, if you have a look at my recent changes, they are all updates of pictures belonging to this museum. When you have created it, I'll also do the categorization work. Actually, I'd like to start with this one and use the history of my recent changes as help since there is no proper article for them. Question, should I create articles too linked with these categories? Diligent 11:37, 12 September 2006 (UTC)


Fine, many thanks. See you. --Clamengh 18:17, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

Location Maps[edit]

I WaS doIng seVeral hunDred Cats... The suN was in mY eyeS... I'm a klOwN.


I did fix many format problems and mispellings, but no doubt there are other errors in there. Actually to be honest I got stalled on the second pass due to not having the bot status accepted and never did the remainder. I should probably get around to that real soon now, but I am the kind of guy who knows how to put the PRO in procrastination.

I do have time to vandalize your talk page though.

Faroe stamp 415 clowns.jpgClown chili peppers.jpg Paul Hoecker Harlekin.jpg

-Mak 03:45, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

Do we have something like AWB for commons?[edit]

Hi, Pfct:

I want to transfer as many images as possible from {{PD-Soviet}} to {{PD-Russia}}, {{PD-RU-exempt}} and {{PD-old}} but I need a semi-automatic tool for this. There are just to many images under the PD-Soviet. Do we have something like en:Wikipedia:AutoWikiBrowser for Commons? Alex Bakharev 11:14, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

  • Thanks, for the answer. I will try to push for the AWB for commons (not sure if I will succed though). Alex Bakharev 15:46, 13 September 2006 (UTC)


How do new days get onto COM:DEL, automatically somehow? How do they get moved to Template:Deletion requests/Older Discussion? Not manually I hope. BTW if possible please make it so that COM:DEL has the latest 9 days of nominations (if not more). 7 is too short - since we can't usually close a nomination before 7 days. thanks, pfctdayelise (translate?) 05:01, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

A bot can do it automaticaly. Sadly it is manual at the moment. All you need to move (cut/paste) the temlate transclusions.
Sure, I do not mind a 9 day listing. I'll let you do it though since people seem to be complaining if I do all the work. :)
--Cat out 05:44, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

Re:Muchas gracias[edit]

Thank you. Beautiful flower. A warm greeting --Lmbuga gl, pt, es: contacta comigo 09:03, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

You mean like this?[edit]

{{#ifeq: {{{reviewed|}}}|yes
   |This has been reVieWed.  [[Category:Reviewed CFUPT]]

-Mak 06:09, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

Ok. I integrated it with the current code of that template. See User:Makthorpe/Proposal02. If that is what you want, remove the test strings before the categories and you are good to go.

Example use:

(example1 deleted)

(Example2 template deleted) 


Here's the right spot =]. Thanks, again.--Ioshus Rocchio 15:34, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

Uploaded pictures refuse to display[edit]

Hi Pfctdayelise, I've re-uploaded some edited photos (the standard for fish photos is to have them facing left) but 4 seem to stay right-facing. They are: Chromis dispilus Girella fimbriata Gymnothorax nubilis Nemadactylus douglasii. They are all within the category "Photographs by Ian Skipworth". They seem to have uploaded correctly (there is history) but they don't display left-facing in the associated articles. Others did work OK. Puzzle - can you advise? GrahamBould 19:03, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

two engravings for deletion[edit]

Hi again,

Can you delete Image:Banksia dentata engraving from Bank's Florilegium.jpg and Image:Banksia integrifolia engraving from Bank's Florilegium.jpg please? These are recent prints from 18th century engravings. Although the engravings themselves are unarguably in the public domain, Peta has suggested, and I now agree, that the process of transferring them to a print probably involves substantial creative input, so the prints themselves may be subject to copyright. In each case the original watercolour is also on Commons, so we're not losing anything by taking a conservative position. Snottygobble 11:44, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

Thanks again. Snottygobble 23:54, 18 September 2006 (UTC)


Thanks for the welcome! --Az1568 03:54, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

Thanks ~[edit]

Thanks for your comments, it's what I wanted to say. Yug (talk) 12:39, 19 September 2006 (UTC) :]

Ok, I'm reading it....
PS: What means "BTW" ? [I'm not native english speaker] Yug (talk) 15:32, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

Problem in Commons:Administrators' noticeboard[edit]

Yes, I read it, but I can't speak english, I speak english too bad. I can understand, but I can't write, specially if I want to express important shades (small and deep things).

On the other hand, there is no discussion. Only there is the intention to defame me of User:Abu badali (I say him that he can upload his image with the same name than the other (over the other image). The procedements he have used don't are respectful.

I would like to express what I think, but I am not able in english. I can do it in spanish or Galician language (no in portuguese language). I feel defenseless. I only can say in English litle things (This year I am studying English: I hope to improve). I can write this message thanks to this page

Important: I don't use my administrator capacities against him.

I would like to speak in Spanish (although I could write more than one hundred lines, but for nothing: there is no discussion).

Thanks to defend to me --Lmbuga gl, pt, es: contacta comigo 15:07, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

Re: User talk:Lostaff[edit]

what are you talking about? What should i tell that user? --Bouncey2k 17:38, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

why do you think he is italian? O__o --Bouncey2k 10:17, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

Re: pt admins[edit]

I know some pt-3 and pt-N users that fulfills the requirements, I will ask them if they accept the proposal. In a few days I will have the answer. Greetings. --Prevert(talk) 18:00, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

Re Alexander Turnbull Library[edit]

Different tack - is there another licence tag you could suggest rather than PD-old that might make them happier. Kahuroa 19:37, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

Admin news[edit]


If you consent for statistics to be published about your actions as an administrator, please sign here: Commons:Administrator permission for statistics. (I expect that most people will not have a problem with it unless you are especially concerned with privacy.)

Also, please be aware that we now have a Commons:Administrators' noticeboard. Please put it on your watchlist, if you haven't already!

cheers, pfctdayelise (translate?) 05:33, 7 September 2006 (UTC) P.S.: Pardon if this is a repeat (bot debugging...)

I think there was a problem. I had it set up to where if one failed, any subsequent ones would be skipped. But I think I've fixed it now. Thank you for bringing it to my attention.--Orgullomoore 17:06, 20 September 2006 (UTC)


Cheers for your message. Jimbo contacted me at my english Wikipedia talk page and asked me to forward the email I received from the ATL. So. Kahuroa 23:52, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

... for bureaucrat[edit]

Thanks by your support. I hope my contribution as bureaucrat be useful for Commons users. Greetings --Lmbuga gl, pt, es: contacta comigo 23:52, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

I have passed my bureaucratship with 14 supports to 0 oppositions. Thank you for your support.--Jusjih 04:04, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

Perhaps you should change the message at the top of your page to include bureaucratships :P Cary "Bastiqe" Bass demandez 13:19, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
Or to allow admin thanks! :P ++Lar: t/c 13:18, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
So your response is to extend your ban? Harsh. Thanks for nothing, then! ++Lar: t/c 13:19, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for your early voice of support[edit]

Freycinet National Park, Tasmania, Australia

Your early and strong support here really validated my comments and I reallllllly ( :) ) appreciate it... (finding flowers from Vic has been challenging, hope this one from Tas will suffice) Thanks, and I hope we can work together more closely in future. ++Lar: t/c 15:01, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

My presence[edit]

Hello pfctdayelise,

Sorry for being unavailable for almost two months. Fortunately, the hectic times have calmed, and I will soon return to conducting my admin duties as well — it gets boring after a while just to do the Media of the Day captions :) Splendid day to you —UED77 17:37, 28 September 2006 (UTC)


Hi Pfctdayelise,

Per the CheckUser Policy, I have been granted the checkuser permission. Thankyou for supporting this request. Requests for checkuser can be made at the Administrators' noticeboard. Thanks, Alphax (talk) 01:25, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

Oh, and Rama did a translation of the NC cartoon that I told you about on Wednesday: Image:BD-propagande-2.jpg. Alphax (talk) 15:29, 29 September 2006 (UTC)


I received this reply from the 'Wikipedia information team': "Thank you for your mail. Wikipedia does not recognize any sort of rights of libraries or archives regarding images that are lawfully out of copyright."

Hmm - not too impressed with that. If only we could flag images as non-commercial. Kahuroa 11:54, 30 September 2006 (UTC)


Thanks for the note, I'm still pretty new here and don't quite know my way around.DVD R W 16:30, 2 October 2006 (UTC)


Hello, quick question. Isn't there a meta policy for having no personally identifiable information? Does Commons: have a template for "vehicle photographs that need to have license plates smudged"? --Connel MacKenzie 03:23, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

Category stuff[edit]


Do you speak about this: “Amongst human activities, botany is PEANUTS”? I just tried to be realistic. If you think these comments are hurtful, I can clarify my thought. Regards. --Juiced lemon 12:55, 3 October 2006 (UTC)


What's happening with this arbitration. I sent a mail to User:NielsF (Commons) a few days ago, and I didn't receive any answer. --Juiced lemon 12:55, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

can you take a boo at the question that DVD R W asked?[edit]

well Ref-ed!

on my talk page? I'm not sure I was making sense or not. Thanks! owe ya one. ++Lar: t/c 13:39, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

That was fast, you're a veritable reference library all by yourself. What do I owe you? :) ++Lar: t/c 14:09, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

Image:To Commons.svg[edit]

Nice to now, that someone likes it :) Unfortunatelly I'm not talented enought to do it nicer and inkscape is a bit primitive to create proper perspectivic view :(

--WarX 19:49, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

That clear speedy candidate[edit]

Re your comment: "please speedy delete such cases": of course. I would have if I could have :-) Not being an admin here, I did the next best thing: X it out and alert someone who was able to delete it. Lupo 11:19, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

Main reasons:
  • Never thought about it until a few weeks ago.
  • Not sure I really would do more than an occasional speedy or deletion debate closure. I'm most of the time on a slow link (56kbit analog dialup!!), and working with images is a royal pain because it takes ages. I also don't really have much time for Wikipedia, and what little I have, I actually prefer spending by writing encyclopedia articles over at en:, not engaging it tiring copyright debates.
  • Speaking of which: when Histo & Steschke asked me to run on Sept. 1, 2006, I declined. Very bad timing, and I was sure Histo's reasoning would reflect badly upon me. I think that still applies. Since that PD-Soviet brouhaha, several people seem to dislike me (alas, not just the "usual suspects", but also some others I had hardly interacted with ever), and I'd bet we'd see concerted actions for support- or oppose-voting if I were stupid enough to run now. And even if not, being an admin would actually hinder me sorting out the images Alex Bakharev has so boldly and quickly moved to PD-Russia, because as soon as I touched any of those, people would yell "admin abuse"! No thanks.
In summary, I don't think I would benefit from being an admin; and the benefits for the commons would be marginal. It just is not worth the trouble. Lupo 12:08, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

Look see[edit]

Could you weigh in here User_talk:Juiced_lemon#Category:Ancient_Roman_saints? --Evrik 15:45, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

Those yet to sign[edit]

See Commons:Administrator permission for statistics/unsigned Cary "Bastiqe" Bass demandez 23:45, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for your comments in Lar's recent RfA![edit]

Dear Perfect... (day Elise): I would like to thank you for your support in my recent RfA which passed 20 to 1. I really appreciate the trust you've placed in me. Please help me be a better admin by giving me feedback when you think I need it, and praise when you think I've earned it. Your support, as you well know, means a lot to me. I never would have decided to go forward without your encouragement and praise and help. I will never forget it, or you. I greatly look forward to working with you. ++Lar: t/c 03:17, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
I chose LEGO to illustrate my thank you messagess, because LEGO is a system that we build things with. Commons holds the building blocks that other wikis use to make great things. Without Commons images and media, other wikis would be much poorer. Let's help build the greatest freely available intellectual collection the world has ever known... together.


Hi Pfc, I would like to ask you if there is any rule to create name for cities: I know that category should be create in english, but I noticed that many citiy-categorie have a "national" name; let's say Munich, or all the cities in Sued tyrol, or the italian ones. What's your point of view? Thanks, --mac 14:18, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

I noticed that Munich as a german name, redirecting the english one. But apart from that, is make sense ( to me ) that if the city name can be national, it's better to have other city attributes in enlgish; but you have answred me: there is no rule for city category names. Thanks, --mac 14:46, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
So if I go and revert all german cities to english name, nobody can blame me? --mac 14:51, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
If you have time, have a look on the discussion page, and see who was making things without having a talk. --mac 14:57, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
Strange to talk to you and not with Juice...anyway, first of all I'm concerned that he is changing the name from firenze to florence, than that he is restructuring the categories without giving any reason; you know how I'm trying to organizing italian pages. --mac 15:04, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
I agree. Let's start to talk. Thanks for all. --mac 15:19, 12 October 2006 (UTC)



I am always ready to begin a talk. But mac started to revert my edits, while most of them were independant from the category name. --Juiced lemon 15:41, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

Just to keep you up to date; [[15]] I've asked some clarification to Lemon. See you around and thanks again for your work.--mac 10:27, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

Another request for comment[edit]

Re: AWB[edit]

Yep, I've got AWB working on Commons (I've used it extensively on multiple wikis, sl.wp for instance). I suppose I'd better write up the local support pages :) I think the latest version may have sorted the WP: thing, but if not we can make a redir there as a workaround. To get it running on Commons first download it (follow the links at en:WP:AWB#.282.29_Download if you don't have it already. To make it do stuff on Commons go to File|User and Project preferences and change the project from WP to Commons.--Nilfanion 01:53, 15 October 2006 (UTC)


My god you need to archive. Werdna 15:51, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

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It's been approved and activated on this wiki. Want me to set it up for you? Werdna 12:22, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
Done. Next job is scheduled for approximately five hours' time. Werdna 10:09, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for not blocking me![edit]

I dream of peaches... And I'm not sure what that means, either. -MGF

I am very glad that you didn't block me for thanking you. I sent you the image that I think we need. But I have to worry about the copyright aspects, might want to keep a weather eye out on that. Happy editing! ++Lar: t/c 23:40, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

really remove (Indexed)?[edit]

Hello, I just wondered if it wasn't better to just move those (Indexed) categories out of the way (by removing their familia category tag) since if they still exist somewhere then it's much easier for me to revert the images that have (Indexed) tags by just going through all these categories? I can do the moving by hand, that's no problem. Am I mistaken somewhere? -- Ayacop 10:02, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

I have moved them now, so no removing necessary until the images are untagged. -- Ayacop 10:47, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

POTD template[edit]

Please see my comments at Commons talk:Picture of the day and tell me what you think. Thanks. --Digon3 14:42, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

Perhaps we should add Quality Images as well. However, there are plenty of FP that arent in the POTD list [17][18]

[19] [20]. The template is just to decrease the number of people that submit their failed featured pictures or poor quality picture [21] because they did not read "The Picture of the day must be chosen from the Featured pictures (which are selected by consensus). Please do not propose non-featured images, as they will be liable to removal.". If we run out of FP we can use QI and if we run out of those we can stop using the template. If you want me to give you more FPs that are not in the POTD list tell me --Digon3 15:03, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

  • I am fully aware of that, I am just looking for suggestions to make the proposal better. I don't think anyone is stupid enough to unilaterally decide policy. Also, I have no idea how to start "propose that from X date, all POTD must be FPs or QIs, then make an announcement and take a poll on COM:VP or commons talk:Picture of the day or similar." --Digon3 16:10, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
  • What did I say that made you think I was deciding this by myself? I would like to change it if it gave you that impression. --Digon3 16:17, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
  • Thank-you for starting the poll. By the way, how would I create a template to make it look better for a proposal? --Digon3 21:40, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
  • According to this, we have 605 Featured pictures (I still dont know how many of those were POTD). According to this, we have 148 (37x4) Quality Images. In all, we have 753 FP or QI. I am probably wrong somehow, but that is what it looks like to me. --Digon3 14:09, 23 October 2006 (UTC)


Does this need to be updated? DVD R W 19:13, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

Well, I translated it with a few different means (Wikipedia, Wiktionary, Babelfish, and some of my own ((limited)) knowledge). I've only taken one short summer class of Chinese language but know extra characters from studing Japanese a little more than that. A native speaker certainly needs to proofread it and make the necessary corrections. DVD R W 03:44, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

POTD - poll[edit]

Thats ok, I make sure it on my watch list Gnangarra 08:10, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the thanks! I'm not concerned as to whether the POTD come from Featured or the bottom of the barrel - but it would be nice to have any decision made multilingually. Man vyi 17:47, 23 October 2006 (UTC)



I let a message on his dutch page, and User:NielsF ignored it. As he don't answer to any message and has no activity on Commons since September, 14, we cannot keep it as an arbitrator for the important issues between user:Martorell and I. What do you suggest? --Juiced lemon 11:21, 23 October 2006 (UTC)


Hi - I see you've reverted some changes I made to the POTD main page. Just to explain that they were made following a suggestion I posted on Village Pump. There was little response, so I just did it. As suggested by another user, I also let users in other languages know and sought a multi-langauge discussion by postings on the talk pages of all of the other language respective versions - quite a few! (actually, the multi-language versions were not the same as the English version even on 26th Sept, so there was and still is a need for a multi-language agreement). It seems from the poll that there is in fact agreement that the POTD should not just be any old thing, so we're getting to where I was hoping to be anyway. By the way, can you tell me whether old Village Pump conversations are archived? The 'index' mentioned at the top of the page goes back to the beginning of October only. --MichaelMaggs 06:58, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanks. My original posting to VP, plus replies, can be found here: [22].(sept 27, under the heading POTD not a Featured Picture)--MichaelMaggs 17:31, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

Little question[edit]

I'm not so deep with license related questions; I've asked the help of User talk:Bouncey2k; let's see if he can help us. --mac 09:42, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

Copyright to fix[edit]

Hi. Please, check [23] and [24]. They should be Wikimedia copyright, but are licensed as GFDL. Thanks for help. --Jollyroger 13:22, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

Right, I saw that after writing this message. C Ya &mdash;The preceding unsigned comment was added by Jollyroger (talk&nbsp;&bull;&nbsp;contribs) at 10:26, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

Request to rename / move images[edit]

Hi Pfctdayelise, I've been uploading some images of Brunswick, and have just realised I've mispelt 'Phoenix'. Would it be possible for you to rename / move these images for me? They are;

  • Image:Pheonix Hotel, Brunswick.jpg
  • Image:North from Pheonix Street Bridge, Brunswick.jpg

Thanks, Cnwb 06:27, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the tips. I just presumed it was as easy for Commons admins as it was on Wikipedia admins. I'll follow your advice. Cnwb 13:01, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

Activity Niels[edit]

Hey, in reply to your q on the whereabouts of Niels: I talked to him on irc. He's been really busy IRL in the past few months and he's forgotten about the mediation case (as I said: really busy). It also appears he's forgotten his commons password without having a valid e-mailaddress. He's currently considering if he can make time for the mediation case or if he'll try and get another admin to do it. I expect him to become active soonish to tie the loose ends. Cheers! Siebrand 21:17, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

Hey, see your e-mail. NielsF 22:09, 29 October 2006 (UTC)


That is a great idea. I may have made a mistake by adding my image (40x30) to the Wikimedia_logo_mosaic/ConstructionNotes page. If so, I'm sorry. One other thing.. I think it would be great to textually list the original images that are replaceable on the Construction Notes page, like was done here Image:WikimediaMosaicCompositeCapture.jpg#List_of_images_used. --Evrik 17:13, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

It was a wonderful idea to create the logo mosaic! It is a charming symbol of collaboration of thousands of users. It was such a pleasure to take part in the work that I added more than 130 different pictures.
So you get my MOSAIC PRIZE! -- wau

Arabic SVG's[edit]

The only one I've done for Wikimedia / Wikipedia was "Isratine.svg", which was generated by a somewhat circuitous route (Postscript -> PDF -> normalized Postscript -> semi-automated SVG conversion) -- the contextual glyph selection was completely manual. AnonMoos 14:43, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

Image:Reverent samuel kobias.jpg[edit]

Hi Pfctdayelise, the problem with image Image:Reverent samuel kobias.jpg is still open. Do you need any further information? Regards, -- Mathetes 03:11, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for solving the problem. -- Mathetes 12:57, 3 November 2006 (UTC)


Sherrin.png Pfctdayelise/Archive06 is taking a short wikibreak to get ready for exams play Australian Rules football! and will be back on Wikimedia once the exams are over once her team has beaten everyone else on 8th July.
Aussie rules wikipedia.jpg

Of what year? Do these not need updating? Or removing? ;p ... ++Lar: t/c 14:46, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

Work on Non-CJK stroke order[edit]

I seen that you already know user:Shibo77. He asked me almost the same question one month before, "how may [I] make arabic *-order.gif faster", using french. But that's a big work so he made all his nice SVG.
Across the web, looking for "stroke order + gif" on Google, I never seen Arabic stroke order animation. Probably because it's too basic for arabic people, so they never did it.

To work on this, some pages of our CJK project may help you :

  1. Chinese_stroke_order:Asian_alphabets - page for "other alphabets". You can add and work on the arabic alphabet or ABCD alphabet as well, that's welcome ! Progress on arabic *-order.gif or *-bw.png (easier) or *-red.png will appear as soon as someone upload the files with the good name.
  2. CJK Protocols >> *-order.gif Protocol - protocole that you are looking for ;]
  3. user:Shibo77 - he can maybe help you in this work. But as many of us, he work on his projects and may be busy.

All what can help you is here, Good luck to you Pfctdayelise Yug (talk) 10:25, 5 November 2006 (UTC)


Hi Pfct,

I notices that you changed the rules here on april 1. I notice this only now, and oppose it, as it will cause me many extra hours a month. Frankly, I dont think that you can introduce such a new requirement without a vote or wide community consent. I feel both are lacking. Please withdraw it. TeunSpaans 05:50, 6 November 2006 (UTC) I have added a template to the page to indicate my doubts about your change. TeunSpaans 05:57, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

Language select[edit]

Hello !

I have just noticed m:Meta:Language select. I think this would be great on Commons, for galleries for instance. Is it a good idea ? Did people start to use it ?

Thanks, le Korrigan bla 11:50, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for your answer. I personnally see it as a useful tool for one sentence at a time (hence for galleries), but indeed not for big chunks of text, otherwise editing will be a nightmare. I agree with the drop-down list idea. Do you reckon this could happen shortly ? Thanks, le Korrigan bla 13:00, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

Commons talk:Picture of the day/Poll[edit]

There is a lot of support and no negative votes. I don't suppose there will be any more votes now, as the link to the page seems to have been archieved. Can we now implement, do you think?--MichaelMaggs 16:18, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

Hm, how about we make it the end of November? I should have put an end date. :/ It is only for POTDs after Jan 1 2007, after all. So then we will still have a whole month to prepare new POTDs. Sound good? pfctdayelise (说什么?) 06:04, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Fine by me. --MichaelMaggs 07:26, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Arabic SVGs[edit]

Hi! I used Inkscape. If your operating system uses a left-to-right script such as English, then Inkscape will take that order, so when you type yaahamzah followed by alif, they won't connect because the program thinks that you have typed alif followed by yaahamzah which wouldn't connect... I don't know what is your operating system, but you probably use an English one, then you have to find the Babel map/Unicode map/character map depending on your OS. Select an Arabic font to use, such as "Traditional Arabic", you have to select the forms in accordance with how the lettres connect and not the isolated forms. Select U+FE8B yaahamzah initial form and copy it to Inkscape, then select the U+FE8E alif final form and copy it to Inkscape immediately following the yaahamzah. The two will automatically connect. Another way is to copy-paste several forms, change to "Paths" and then "Union". I wanted to make stroke order .gif's for Arabic lettres, but I need to do 15 to 20 separate captures for a single .gif, so I gave up and made .svg's... If you want to take over, I will be glad to help. --Shibo77 23:34, 7 November 2006 (UTC)


Am I making edit war? I thought that somebody else is making whatever he wants, without asking before. The categories were structured in a determinated way. An lemon just change them, without giving any reason. I'm just restoring the categories. Is this vandalism? --mac 21:02, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

Sigh. I should have asked for some diffs; I'll do so now. Alphax (talk) 07:11, 9 November 2006 (UTC)


Lemon deleted intentionally categorization on Lakes of Peidmont, Lakes of Piedemont, and valleys of Piedmont, removing from them the catgory peidmont and adding the geography of one. I re-added the categopry peidmont leaving the one lemon adde. I think that if he'll insist by removing the category peidomnt, it ius a vandalism. Do you agree? --mac 22:22, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

Excuse me, but where is the scheme proposed by lemon? Doesn't he just act as yoiu are compling me? For the matter, imho it's silyy do dig under of categories to go from piedmont to mountain of of piedemont. If I rember well, you told me that we have to increase the reachiblity of pages and photos. So what's silly in your opinion? But please answer me: is it correct to remove categories introduced by somebody else or can I remove the ones of Lemon too? --mac 08:16, 9 November 2006 (UTC)


I think that it is necessary more admnistradores who speak portuquese. But I do not make any activity in pt.wp, and I do not know any user sufficiently. I do not dare to propose to any of the users of pt.wp to be administrator. I will look for some valid user.


I hope we shall. But since he is Italian it was easier to talk to him in Italian in his talk page... I did not espect the matter to drag for months and to reach Commons' adms. To date I was always able to solve all problems by myself. I espected we could find an agreement some time. The point is that it is hard to discuss with somebody who, simply, does not reply... :-( This is why I asked for an arbitration. And a warning, if necessary... --G.dallorto 21:37, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

Well, I am an opinionated person too (very much so), but Wikipedia taught me a lot about cooperative work.  ;-)
No, my case is different from Juiced Lemon's one. I am not bickering about which categories to implement. Whenever I find categories already in use, I pour my contributions into them without changing them (I only split them into sub-categories when they become too cluttered). If mac9 wants to create all categories about italian geography himself, let him do it, I shall use them afterwards an I shall agree with him about how to use them (provided he accepts to discuss about them!!!). The point, as you have understood by now, is that he must allow categories to stand, in the first place. Then we can discuss about the rest. Or leave him and juiced lemon to fight about it... I don't care: "so many pix to upload, so little time"... :-) --G.dallorto 12:00, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
Done. --mac 23:06, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

Scheme countries and subdivisions[edit]


Two months ago, I created the scheme Commons:Category scheme countries and subdivisions. I didn't open a talk about this subject because I waited for the verdict in the arbitration with User:Martorell. This arbitration concerns basic principles, and I think it's useless to advance this work if these principles are not confirmed. Now, this scheme has to be updated.

However, my purpose is to propose:

  • a kernel scheme which should be used for near every country and important subdivisions of countries;
  • the strong recommandation to build the categorization structure beginning with first level categories; so, if you create a second level category, you don't use it as a first level category, but you create also at least one first level category.

Example: If I categorize a bridge picture in Category:Bridges in Sudan, I'll create also Category:Buildings in Sudan AND/OR Category:Transport in Sudan, but I shall not categorize the new category in Category:Sudan. --Juiced lemon 11:40, 11 November 2006 (UTC)


Here is the answer mac9 he left me in my discussion page.

== D'Allorto ==
Ok, You reached you're intention. You made a problem about me. You're charging me because I'm not answering to you. Generally I don't answer, when I think is useless, but maybe I'm wrong. Let's try to start again. I've already asked you (please don't be a lemming and please don't insert a link) if you had a category with 1,2, n photos, and I organize the same category with a page with all the photos you put in it, why are you so disturbed by the circumstance that only the page (with all the photos you've inserted) will compare <he means "appear"> under that category? --mac 22:28, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

So he does not answer when it is useless to do so. He is not answering my questions, and he is simply asking why HIS way of doing things is not good for me... Have you any suggestion? I think he is more of a moron than of a vandal. Discouraging. I really need suggestions about how to behave with this kind of people. Getting angry would be of no avail anyway. Thx in advance. --G.dallorto 01:42, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

Category:Rivers of Lombardy and Lemon[edit]

Lemon revereted my contributions giving no reason (except the one that have already given to you); it's possible to stop him on vandalism basis? --mac 12:31, 13 November 2006 (UTC) (I red you're answer about browsing by geography of..., on that matter I have to concerns 1)the cat model proposed by lemon it's to deep 2)it's not immediate and not conseguent on name basis: if I have mountains of lombardy, for me, it's natural to go from there to lombardy category...)

Please note, that althoght I don't agree with him, I didn't revert his contribution....--mac 12:32, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

Childhood obesity picture[edit]

Thanks. It's nice to see at least a few people take the same view, and sad to see people not considering the human aspect. (Have these people never been schoolchildren themselves?) I just don't see how someone can be proud of work that comes at the expense of someone else. In my opinion, Wikimedia falls down without goodwill and being better than we have to be by the letter of the law... but that's a bit of speechifying I'll post on the debate page itself! Mindspillage 01:40, 14 November 2006 (UTC)


I will start in that scheme...but at the moment I'm very engaged with the real life (it's true); what's the amount for the job? ;-) --mac 11:42, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

It's that what do you mean? If yes I'll try to make it a litlle more complete and put under attention of other users (italian bar, village pump, both???) to get their contributions. What do you mean with translate? --mac 12:53, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
What's the goal of Temlate Italia? Maybe to add it into all the categories that falls in the schema? --mac 13:54, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
If I understand well the schema, Commons:Category scheme Italy, is functional to the template only; it isn't a way to coordinate contributors job. Is it?--mac 15:30, 14 November 2006 (UTC)Are you upset by me?


Dude. His last contrib was 9th April. We're not totally incompetent, ya know. --pfctdayelise (说什么?) 00:27, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

Hmm... Note to self: do not block people late at night... :)
What do you think of my ANB suggestion against such users? --Cat out 22:44, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
--Cat out 22:44, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
I think your "blocking structure" is OK but just too darn long! Things should not get to the 6th block. If they are not responding at all, 3 should be plenty, then indef. And make the first block shorter, as a real shock tactic to make them pay attention but not get too upset.
There are two ways you can know what language a user speaks: (1) what text they put on image pages and (2) which wikis the image(s) are used in. This is often a great tip.
My last tip: don't do any admin action you're not prepared to defend with your full brain. Know what I mean? Don't give them any ammunition. And if you do this, then when you are criticised (and you will be, of course), you can sit back and let meatball:DefendEachOther take place. We can't defend you if you do it first. And we can't defend you if you're not prepared to stand behind every single admin action you do and say, "I believe I was doing the right thing and improving the wiki." But if both those things happen, then it really won't matter what anyone says. It'll be water off a ducks' back. But both those things are up to you.
regards, pfctdayelise (说什么?) 04:15, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
Hmm... I guess you are right. A 3 warning system would make more sense.
Yea. You are right but sometimes people just upload images not used in any wiki... :)
I'll keep that in mind. :)
--Cat out 18:20, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

You know... there's no prize for being mentioned the most times on COM:AN. Are you planning to burn out like a supernova or would you like some longevity to actually achieve some good? In your successful RfA, you said Why do I want to be an admin? I am tired of staring at various backlogs. Is that what you've been doing? Is it so impossible for you to guess which actions will be controversial, and avoid those ones? Or at least space them out between 100 non-controversial ones?? Seriously, there's no other admin that a month after being adminned, I have to read about them three times in a week. Please... go and be as boringly productive as possible. Hundreds of other users manage it every single day. --pfctdayelise (说什么?) 12:01, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Do not worry, I am not seeking a prize :P
Have you reviewed my contribution history? I have made hundreds of deletions. I have cleared two months worth of backlog from CAT:Unknown with over a thousand deletions. I am holding back on contributing to wikipedia as per real life issues (including the preparations wikipedia related panel on a conference in Turkey) taking too much of my time
I am not in any way stressed by all these incidents. The issue about 'Moby Dick' and 'Karl Meier' did raise concerns on my part but those concerns do not exist anymore as per the recent incident.
I am not particularly happy appearing on the ANB either.
--Cat out 12:21, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

UED77 will have some free time![edit]

Hello pfctdayelise!

After my n months of absence, I will finally have some time to burn... and what better way to burn time than to try and turn CAT:SD-AP into a ground zero?

In other news, I made some adjustments to the scheduling of my errands and activities, which means I should be more active, hopefully than ever before. Best wishes,

UED77 20:42, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Commons:Category scheme Italy[edit]

Maybe it's time to get contributions from other people; I've intended the schema only as a proposal that will serve as baseline for the discussion. Do you think it's time to put a message in the italian bar in order to get other contributions? --mac 13:22, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

Looks like you reached some sort of consensus with mac9? So, may I carry on with my uploads? Details can be worked out, as usual. But a minimal base of agreement (i.e. "categories are NOT forbidden on Italian entries") is necessary... :-) --G.dallorto 14:15, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
I don't agree at all with Mr. Dall'Orto but I was wrong with him and I hope he'd accepted my excuses for my behaviour. --mac 14:39, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
I am happy we found a consensus and I thank mac9 for his kind message, I appreciate it and I am only glad to cooperate with him in improving the italian pages on Commons. We both like this work, so ther eis no reason why we should be fighting about it. I confirm to Pfctdayelise that actually no, I am not obsessed with category names. I shall adapt to them once they are agreed upon, unless they contain typos or are patently anti-historical (e.g. American presidends of Italy). And if they change, well, I shall change too. I wish a profitful work to you all. --G.dallorto 14:51, 17 November 2006 (UTC)


You should let whoever wants to, edit the page. You don't "own" it, you and I and Juiced lemon don't "own" it, everyone owns it and everyone can edit it. But anything that is not agreed with, should be discussed straight away on the talk page.

I don't want to own the schema, but what if we discuss on a schema and in the meantime the schema is changed? It can happen that we have just loose time. So it was just a way to start a discussion on a coherent base, not to own a solution? --mac 14:23, 17 November 2006 (UTC)..a starting point, wherever is it, it's needed...--mac 14:23, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

I make your comment mine and I'll start a discussion. let's say, I don't like the name for a category, I will not change the name of that category directly in the schema but I will statr a discussion on that point untill we reach an agreement. In this sense I don't own the schema, but I will use it as a base, arbitrary of course, to reach a general agreement. --mac 14:31, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

Browsing path[edit]

The idea, of course it's just mine, is to let people to reach categories through different paths, in order to make easier to find out the searched photos or pages. For examples, Rivers of Lazio, can be reached by browsing from Lazio category or from Rivers of Italy category. This is a possible choise; the other is to construct an unique brwosing path from wich a category can be reached, like Lemon seems to build his paths. --mac 14:59, 17 November 2006 (UTC)


I put the following advise here. this is the transalation. After long discussion with admin User:Pfctdayelise I was almost oblied ( I suppose in order to expiate my faults ) to create this schema Commons:Category scheme Italy; it's only a proposal , an incomplete baseline, from wich start (it could be build in 1000 other ways) to get a common and shared category structure between us.

The idead is to have a tree category path starting from category Italy ( that will be our root category ) shared and funcitonal for our purposes.

The baseline is not yet completed, some categories are missing, so where it is incomplete we can just update the schema with a proposal; where there is already a proposed schema, althought it's stupid, the idea is to discuss first in the related section of the discussion page in order to get a common agreement ( this way the discussion remains consistent during the time and thorugh different users).

Let's see what happen. Good w.e, --mac 15:26, 17 November 2006 (UTC)--mac 15:26, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

pages vs categories[edit]

I've red the link you provided me: Commons:Images on normal pages or categories:Vote. So I'm not the only one. Have you ever thought to have a mixed solution, like this? Have categories, like Paris, and create automaticly with a bot (if it's possible) a subcategory with a fixed naming convention, like Paris\Photo galleries (or whatever) for each category. The bot can also scan for photos into the categories and move them into the Photo gallery dedicated category. This way I (and the other the prefer the page solution ) are not bothered by waiting tousend of photos to be upload, and you are not bothered to create a page for each photo you upload. Again, good w.e. --mac 16:52, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

Commons:Administrators' noticeboard[edit]

Hi. Could you make Werdnabot archive this page on a regular basis maybe?

Fred Chess 17:24, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

Deletion request[edit]

Hi! Could you please delete the second version of Image:Louvre amphorisque animaux sirenes.JPG (2304×3456 / 3,394,770 bytes / uploaded at 19:37, 19 November 2006)? I uploaded it by mistake, it's the same one as the original. Thanks in advance, Jastrow&nbsp;(Λέγετε) 18:43, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

Wikimedia logo mosaic[edit]


I'm almost sure your the one that's inserting those not-exactly white pictures near the edges, and I'm here to complain ;). Whenever you can please those grey or almost grey pictures somewhere in the corners. There are still some slots available there. You can also switch some images that are white and are in corners now with those that aren't so white (and more like grey). Someone also put in some almost completely white images as blue ones... Well I just hopes that's not your graffiti ;).

Anyway you can use dimension checker + title display, to insert and move images more easily. I'll try to rearrange some in next week, just please be more careful.

Best wishes, Nux (talk··dyskusja) 19:31, 19 November 2006 (UTC).

Translations subpage[edit]

No I don't mind... but I would have preferred if you told me about it ;)--Nilfanion 20:15, 19 November 2006 (UTC)


Perfect, thanks a lot. --F l a n k e r 14:04, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

Re: New Brazilian tags[edit]

The only free tag is the {{MdB}}, because their site states: As imagens apresentadas não estão sujeitas a Direitos Autorais. Entretanto, se utilizadas, solicita-se citar como fonte o "Serviço de Relações Públicas da Marinha". [25].

I don't found information related to images with {{EB}}. And images using the anothers tags... OMG. Some months ago I've mailed the copyright owner asking for more details about the usage of theirs medias files, and up today I don't received any reply. The and say something about reutilization, but nothing about derivation and commercialization. I can try to send another e-mail message to these websites asking for more details, but isn't guaranteed any reply from his. Lugusto&#1161; 01:46, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

Katie Melua[edit]

Hi, thanks for asking. No, I see no reason at all to keep these files. I only nominated them for deletion since I have never heard of an artist called Katie Melua before. Thuresson 13:45, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

Commons:Administrator translations/Suspected copyvio[edit]

It looks fancy, and that's probably good for something.

However, maybe someone will prefer my crude version too. You might not have seen it, it is on User:Fred Chess/Translations.

Fred Chess 18:38, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

#language template on {{welcome}}[edit]

I've seen your revert on {{welcome}}. I thought that this template was subst'ed when added to user pages so that it would limit the number of calls to #language. Sorry for the inconvenience if I have caused some!
Best regards from France,
-- AlNo (talk) 16:14, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

Wiki kinda break[edit]

Lake Malawi fisherman sunrise.jpg Pfctdayelise/Archive06 is enjoying her offline life at the moment and may not be the most responsive admin you can find on Commons for a while. Maybe try someone else.
Celestia sun.jpg

Here is some "Pathetique" by Beethoven: ♫ ♪ ♫ ♪ to soothe during your wikibreak. Cary "Bastiqe" Bass demandez 14:57, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Re:Press contacts for Commons[edit]

Ok. I am beginning the translation --Lmbuga gl, pt, es: contacta comigo 16:58, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

Category:Cats of Galicia[edit]

Hi Pfctdayelise. I think that it is interesting that the users can find the animals that there are in a region (see Category:Animals of Galicia), but is unnecessary to include that page in Category:Felis silvestris catus, because it breaks the scheme of the category. I did this, it is sufficient?--Lmbuga gl, pt, es: contacta comigo 09:11, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

languages for categories?[edit]

hello there, you had a question once on the usage of local language over English in categories. I have started a discussion page on this topic, maybe you want to drop by and give your thoughts? Commons:Language for categories. sincerely Gryffindor 12:48, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

re: admin[edit]

Actually, I was thinking about running at the end of the year ... but feel free to nominate me at anytime :-) Zzyzx11 22:42, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

On second thought, I have decided to run for admin now. I might as well do what I did on the English Wikipedia: I ran for admin one month earlier than I wanted to so I can get some feedback. Then with those comments, I got promoted one month later. Thanks. Zzyzx11 07:18, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Commons talk:Picture of the day/Poll[edit]

Time to close the poll now ... --MichaelMaggs 16:37, 5 December 2006 (UTC)


I noticed that [[26]] is the same picture as one of four sample pictures that comes with Microsoft Windows XP. Is this a copyright violation and is LaleenaWiki really the author? --Digon3 18:00, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Ok, thanks --Digon3 17:00, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Image renaming possible?[edit]

Regarding such as this pic which is certainly not a Luge, as the uploader later added: "Note: The title was my own mistake, this is a BOBSLEIGH, not a Luge.", is there a way to correct and rename images on the commons? The issue occurs more often than I'd like with maps and such, so I thought I'd ask and touch base as well. Drop or Xpost your answer on Fabartus so I see it soonest. Thanks! Have a great holiday season! Best regards // FrankB 16:30, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Thanks, I'll check out the FAQ. As I get back to having wikitime, any other suggested reading cross your mind? Thanks // FrankB 00:31, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

My RFA: Thanks[edit]

Thank you for your support on my RFA. Now that I have been promoted, I promise to be as hardworking and fair with the admin tools as I have been with the other areas here on Commons. See you around and happy editing. Zzyzx11 15:49, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

cats categories[edit]

Hello, See answer HERE. By --Salix 12:21, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

Hi Pfctdayelise, I have pasted the discussion on category cats talk see here now. Have a nice day --Salix 10:54, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
Hello Pfctdayelise. Thanks for cat anatomy. Yes, nice pictures in there. You did a good job too! One question about cats: don't you think "cats by colour" is redondant with "cats by patten"? For example Tortoiseshell cats is a color as well as a 3 colors pattern, it's confusing. I would prefer only one category "cats by patten" and only in the case of "solid cats" have "cats by colour", because we never now where to search (and categorise). What do you think of that idea? --Salix 19:21, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
See my page --Salix 23:07, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
Reply here > --Salix 23:14, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
See 2 replies on Category talk:Felis silvestris catus--Salix 11:18, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

Whaou! A great job you did with cats! I just added few things in calico, torties and bi-coloured legends to help categorising. See if it's ok. Brown category is still a mess, do you think usefull to keep it? Most brown cats belong to tabby, pointed or bicoloured and its difficult to decide if they are exactely "brown", even with a book at hand ;-) --Salix 12:09, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

PS. I found more evidentely brown cats, I think now it's ok. I moved also a lot of Domestic cats in other categ. and redirect cat. "European shorthair" > cat. "European" (so that some middlehaired or british can be included). Is it ok? --Salix 13:40, 15 December 2006 (UTC)


Hello there Pfctdayelise, I used to be DVD R W and still am on en, remember me? I have a new username here now. Anyways, I was thinking about translating some articles about buildings from zh to en, if you are interested in participating I will post here the short list I have made of ones I have found so far. Cheers, DVD R W 08:45, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

Oh, since you uploaded Image:Five Pagoda Temple, Huhhot, Inner Mongolia.JPG (this isn't showing up by the way User:Pfctdayelise/Template:Information) that is why I ask, in case you are wondering. I can't find an article on that building on en, and of course you can suggest which articles, I'd be happy to find more. DVD R W 08:53, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

Ahh there it is, my confidence drops. I should have seen that- since check usage is down (for me) some of the others are probably already started too, maybe it would be good to wait. I promised myself I would finish one from ja today, but got distracted. What I usually do is copy the article into something like User:DVD R W/article then translate from there so others can review the history after I move it into the article space, and I add some cited material if I can find it along the way. zh:真觉寺- looks like the Wu Ta Si one, maybe that would be a good one to do. I'm about done for today so I'll talk to you tomorrow. DVD R W 10:14, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

I still want to do this, but am rlly busy like you are, so later, ok? DVD R W 01:18, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

what is it[edit]

Image:Cootie_catcher.jpg tells fortunes. you ask questions, and count letters and pick what number comes up and then unfold it to see what your fortune is. ++Lar: t/c 03:20, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

I actually know what it is, although I never gave it such an odd name (but I don't know what I would call it - folding paper thingy...) - now how should it be categorised? :) That is what really puzzled me. --pfctdayelise (说什么?) 13:57, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
cats? Category:fortune telling, Category:toys, category:folded paper devices, category:origami? those are just guesses, and some don't exist. ++Lar: t/c 15:48, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
It's mainly a game for kids in school, so imo it should be categorized like that. I don't even remember the German name. Google sais its “Himmel und Hölle” (Heaven and Hell) but I think we had others. The English name seems to be Cootie Catcher, although it's odd. Well, if you want to make one, here you go!  :) --Enricopedia 16:04, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

Cat photos[edit]

Thank you so much for completing what I had started and never got around to finishing -- the categorization of all those cat photos! It's very much like me to start something and then leave it hanging. Again, thanks. howcheng {chat} 17:11, 15 December 2006 (UTC)


I noticed your name is on the list of persons with otrs access. Could you please check the otrs ticket of User:Registro_bandini gives for his images? Image:Copertina sports illustrated.JPG for example, there is a debate about the permissions of his pictures on his talk-page. Thanks -- Gorgo 23:25, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

re: converting to UTF8[edit]

I ran it through a text editor which can handle multiple file encodings, in this case SciTE; set the file encoding to Latin1/ISO-8859-1, paste, set the file encoding to UTF-8. vim will do it too, with :set encoding. Alphax (talk) 05:11, 17 December 2006 (UTC)


As per your edit to Image:User-Coolcat.jpg --Cat out 07:18, 17 December 2006 (UTC)


Thanks for your nice words. No there is no project organization, I just started, but people are starting to help.I will announce it at the Village pump when I have made an entry for all of the countries (I still have to do Central and Western Asia as well as Europe. That will take some more weeks. Afterwards, I will announce it. What the steps to set are you can find at Update the atlas. Electionworld 07:38, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

I do not mind when other people add more languages. I have just taken some of the languages most known and which I can read a little bit. Adding more languages means also making linguages in countrypages to the atlas entries in those language. This goes beyond my abilities. Electionworld 07:57, 17 December 2006 (UTC)


Hi Pftcdayelise,

Thanks for your supportive comments on [[User talk:Benjah-bmm27|my talk page[[. I think I was a bit grouchy because I ran out of antidepressant medication over the weekend. Thanks for looking after me. I've been constructive and started a discussion at Commons talk:WikiProject Chemistry/Categories. Looking forward to contributing with you.

Cheers Ben 16:32, 19 December 2006 (UTC)


Hi Pftcdayelise,
Long time no see; Wikipedia managed to drag me away. Before I'm dragged back again, I note User:Orgullomoore also seems to've gone quiet; I was wondering whether or not his Orgullobot was still running. I tried sending him(?) an email via Special:Emailuser a few days ago, but haven't received a reply... Any information...?
Hope all well, David Kernow 09:16, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the RFA vote[edit]

Smiley in Bow Tie.jpg Thanks for the vote --Tarawneh 00:35, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

Bot status policy[edit]

I think we need to formalize bot status policy a little bit.

File upload bots doesn't generate too much interest on Commons:Administrators, but doesn't rise objections too. Frankly said I don't know what to do with 2 current request - personally I would like to give bot status to requesters, but there are too small number of voices in comments.

Could you please take a look to this problem?

EugeneZelenko 19:28, 1 January 2007 (UTC)


The problem is exactly how you describe it. ANYTIME a CAPTCHA comes up, the correct (mathematical) answer just produces another one. 79 - 3 = and 19 + 0 = both refused to accept 76 and 19, right now it's 74 + 8 = and I'll try that without any URIs. Worked, but only because I removed my very fake URI. 05:56, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

Ground zero[edit]

Category:Against policy and Category:Copyright violation are empty as of the writing of this comment! :) Enjoy your Wikibreak, and Happy New Year! —UED77 06:17, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

Again Juiced Lemon.[edit]

Please. Would you mind to intercede again between me and Juiced Lemon?. I would very pleased if you can help to solve this content dispute. --Joanot Martorell 16:19, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

Again Martorell[edit]


Today, IP began an edit war to restore Martorell revisions of Commons page. Look at its contributions: [27]: I think he must use some special tool to operate 6 reverts by minute.

When I complained on Commons:Administrators' noticeboard/Vandalism#Vandalism by IP, user:Martorell immediatly answered. It seems to be a very curious coincidence when you look at the Martorell's history: no edits between October, 28 and January, 3rd.

Now, he have threated to block me if I don't restore Martorell's revisions of pages regarding this dispute. This user don't contribute to the project, but he continues to contribute to conflicts...

--Juiced lemon 17:59, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

Location of Juiced lemon & co.[edit]

Hi. I agree that the village pump is not an appropriate page to discuss this issue. Maybe create a Commons:Request for Comments? -- Bryan (talk to me) 14:45, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

I do not appreciate your deletion[edit]

The majority of the files you deleted, were related to other WikiBook entries, and Wikipedia Articles as supporting documents. You alone diminish the quality of those entries and articles by your actions. I hope you feel good about yourself. Paul.Paquette 00:45, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

all of these on Wikipedia:

So basically the following need to be restore if they were deleted.


Pfctdayelise said: CD covers such as Image:JLPAcoustic.JPG are almost never freely licensed and thus not allowed here. Please make sure you understand commons:Licensing. Stuff is not "public domain" just because it is all over the web. Most stuff on the web is copyright AND NOT freely licensed. You can ask questions at the commons:Help desk. pfctdayelise (说什么?) 04:02, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the tip, I just thought since the english version of the article has the same image it wouldn't be a problem. —PabloCardoso 12:43, 11 January 2007 (UTC)


I find it a bit odd to be given a welcome message after having uploaded about a thousand images. Was there any particular occasion? Unless you object, I'd like to remove it from my user talk page, since it could easily give someone the misimpression that I've only recently become active. (In fact, I am an administrator on en:, with over 50,000 edits there).

If I don't hear from you in the next few days, I will assume that you do not mind my removing the message from my user talk page. - en:Jmabel | talk | Commons talk 04:44, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

I belatedly noticed that it is not dated, so I guess I will leave it as harmless. Sorry to bother you. - en:Jmabel | talk | Commons talk 04:47, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
On en:, at least, welcome messages (which are usually signed and dated there) usually show up on someone's user talk page very shortly after their first substantive contribution. Especially on a user talk page without much activity, they tend to indicate roughly when someone first became active. - en:Jmabel | talk 04:57, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

POTY election implementation[edit]

Some help in needed to organize the POTY election. Please check the conclusions of the discussion in Commons talk:Featured picture candidates. What do you think of doing the election in the period 15-31 January? - Alvesgaspar 14:48, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks you for your help, the anouncement is now posted at Village Pump. I know that I should have more people involved, but that is hard. It is much easier to put people giving their opinion than working ... How do I sign up and use mailing lists here? - Alvesgaspar 11:34, 13 January 2007 (UTC)


Hi! I checked some of my older Images and found your Page. And now I'm very interestet in the sense of this pages :) would you explain it to me? --Stefan-Xp 21:20, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

Image:Vlc screenshot.png[edit]

Image deletion warning Image:Vlc screenshot.png has been listed at Commons:Deletion requests so that the community can discuss whether it should be kept or not. We would appreciate it if you could go to voice your opinion about this at its entry.

If you created this image, please note that the fact that it has been proposed for deletion does not necessarily mean that we do not value your kind contribution. It simply means that one person believes that there is some specific problem with it, such as a copyright issue. If the file is up for deletion because it has been superseded by a superior derivative of your work, consider the notion that although the file may be deleted, your hard work (which we all greatly appreciate) lives on in the new file.
In all cases, please do not take the deletion request personally. It is never intended as such. Thank you!

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-- Bryan (talk to me) 21:48, 13 January 2007 (UTC) .

Expermental fiddling or vandalism[edit]

Hi and Happy New Year! You may want to look at User talk:Duesentrieb#Suspicious and seemingly nonsensical edits and keep an eye out for this in anti-vandalism patrols, etc. As you can see, I think I know the culprit, and my next post is to our Vandalism in progress page to sharpen the oversight on this guy (kid, I suspect. His contribs on wikipedia suggest teenage hormones, variety, male, one each!) Cheers! // FrankB 05:36, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Possible bot for POTY 2006[edit]

See this edit. Would you be able to help? --MichaelMaggs 14:19, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Welcome log active again[edit]

Hi, on User:Orgullobot/Welcome log you are listed as a helper. Orgullobot hasn't been active for a while and SieBot has taken over the welcoming a few days ago. There is fresh output again. I thought you might be interested in that info. I do hope on your continued participation in checking newbie edits. Cheers! Siebrand 09:16, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Gender neutrality[edit]

Thank you for pointing this out. I am non native English, so I didn't notice it. I have corrected it :) -- Bryan (talk to me) 11:16, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

re: bugzilla:8666[edit]

Hi, thanks for reporting the SVG CJK problem to bugzilla. :) I'm very grateful. --Kjoonlee 16:15, 17 January 2007 (UTC)


Oh, I'm so sorry. I'll never do it again (i think) ;-)) Lycaon 18:00, 19 January 2007 (UTC)


català | čeština | dansk | Deutsch | Ελληνικά | English | Esperanto | español | français | galego | עברית | italiano | 日本語 | 한국어 | lietuvių | македонски | Nederlands | norsk | polski | português | русский | sicilianu | slovenčina | 中文(简体)‎ | 中文(繁體)‎ | +/− Hello, and thank your for sharing your files with Commons. There seems to be a problem regarding the description and or licensing of this particular file. Could you please resolve these problems, which are described on the page linked in above? Thank you. --Orgullomoore 16:05, 21 January 2007 (UTC)


Hi, I have done some work with ParserFunctions. Need help? --Tarawneh 05:29, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

Check MediaWiki talk:Badfiletype , $1 is not an empty string, even when there is no extension. --Tarawneh 06:52, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

Newline will not show in MediaWiki:Badfiletype after uploading ill-named images, and the * will not render into anything --Tarawneh 06:57, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

Picture of the Year - still on?[edit]

There has been little traffic on Commons:Picture of the Year/2006 recently. Are we still going to do this? If so, we need to decide the dates of the first and second rounds of voting, and make sure everything is ready to go (by 1st Feb?) I'm happy to help, but wouldn't want to do this on my own if no-one else has much interest. --MichaelMaggs 12:38, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

#commons-image-uploads trigger words[edit]

How are they controlled, exactly? Can you please add "anime"? maybe also "TV" and "screenshot" and "Windows XP"... --pfctdayelise (说什么?) 14:46, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

I've added you to the autovoice list. "Cubbie watchword add regular expression r=reason" is the format for adding and deleting commands. Unfortunately, I'm getting a Database locked response when I try it at the moment. Tangotango is the bot operator. Cary "Bastiqe" Bass demandez 19:58, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
I just tried it now and it just says '#commons-image-uploads Cannot send to channel'. pfctdayelise (说什么?) 14:32, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
You should be autovoicing...if not, you can always type "/msg ChanServ voice #commons-image-uploads pfctdayelise", provided your user name is registered, of course. Cary "Bastiqe" Bass demandez 14:58, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
Oh, and I've created a page: Commons:Internet Relay Chat/uploads watchwords Cary "Bastiqe" Bass demandez 15:11, 23 January 2007 (UTC)


No problem, happy to help and let me know if I get any wrong (I am learning). But it does nothing for the edit count <g>. Regards --Herby talk thyme 12:07, 23 January 2007 (UTC)


You're right, I'll check this.

If I had thought about it, I would have done it once for the first picture, now I've got to do it for every picture )-:

Thanks for noticing it.

Cdang 10:55, 24 January 2007 (UTC)


Thank you very much! I love icecream. If you like, please also take one, -- Bryan (talk to me) 09:36, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

And thanks for the adminship on Flickr. This can't be voted on COM:A, so I suppose you won't block me ;) -- Bryan (talk to me) 10:47, 26 January 2007 (UTC)


Hi. Are photos from oceandots elegible for uploading in commons. Thanks, --mac 12:57, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

thanks for your support. --mac 16:03, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
I saw tha answer you've received on Village Pump. Shall I ask the site manager about the license or will you do it? Ciao, --mac 11:54, 26 January 2007 (UTC)


  • Thanks for the welcome! Did I do the attribution right for the other Flickr images? I went back and added the hyperlinks for them as well, I believe they are all Creative Commons share alike. Smee 18:21, 25 January 2007 (UTC).

Delete this file?[edit]

  • I uploaded this file "Image:Fraserport.pdf" to wikicommons, because the file is public domain as released by Federal Government. But the file itself has headers/footers to the pages which do not originate from the U.S. Government... Probably best to delete and figure it out later? What do you think? Smee 07:17, 26 January 2007 (UTC).

Mexican boobs[edit]

He questions our actions: Commons:Village_pump#Nudism_and_wikimedia. Cary "Bastiqe" Bass demandez 18:41, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

Commons:Deletion requests/Image:Childhood Obesity.JPG[edit]

There was a lot of talk about it everywhere. Did we decide to keep it, or what? I'm not sure... / Fred Chess 21:00, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

Most arguments went "delete pixelated" or "delete unpixelated" or a combination, or being unspecific. Which version do you think we should delete? We as admins have to use our judgement and not go by votes. This image (pixelated) is being used on English Wikipedia (checkusage works for it now , that's way cool) and English wikinews so unless there's any outstanding concern I don't think we should delete it. Didn't mindspillage argue to delete the unpixelated version? So confusing... concluding -- WE NEED AN ADMIN WITH A GOOD JUDGEMENT (with this I mean he/she should agree with me ;-)))).
Fred Chess 10:24, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

POTY 2006 competition[edit]

The arrangements for the Commons Picture of the Year 2006 competition are almost complete, and voting will take place between 1st and 28th Feb. All the featured pictures promoted last year are automatically nominated. As the creator of one or more images nominated for the election we invite you to participate in the event. Alvesgaspar 23:04, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

Marathi Language Portal मुखपृष्ठ[edit]


Thanks for dropping in by my page and suggesting a usefull link.I have added that link to Talk:मुखपृष्ठ.

Still it may take bit of time to develope the portal.May be I need to wait for other Marathi editors to join since for developing the page may need a little more complex teplatting, that's is my impression.

Thanks for support

Mahitgar 05:42, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

Marathi Mainpage मुखपृष्ठ's format[edit]

Dear Pfctdayelise ,

Initialy untill I get more support from other Marathi Language Wikipedians I would like to keep Marathi Language Mainpage with selected picture galleries of interest to people fom our region, is that ok ? or I need to follow en main page as standard ?what's the policy ?

Please let me know

Thanks and regards

Mahitgar 19:00, 31 January 2007 (UTC) Talk:मुखपृष्ठ

Photo of the day[edit]

Hello! Please, could you check if you are able to see the "photo of the day" for the 5th february? I'm translating some descriptions into Spanish language and it seems that this image is missing. Thanks in advance --Dianai 04:09, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for everything! I'll add the babel userbox to my user page. --Dianai 04:21, 2 February 2007 (UTC)


No objections, for moving. but if start a job please make it complete. There were two pages and you only moved one. A simple look at my userpage hat shown this to you. Greetings --Joergens.mi 05:57, 2 February 2007 (UTC)


Please, restore it, see [28] --Butko 08:41, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

Source: --Butko 08:47, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

Featured picture candidates/removal/Image:Urocyon littoralis full figure.jpg[edit]

  • Hi, I was doing some cleanup and I noticed this - I don't think it worked quite right? cheers, pfctdayelise (说什么?) 03:33, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
  • Thank you for your message. Yes, something was wrong. But I was able to rebuild the log, it is OK now. - Alvesgaspar 09:45, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

POTY 2006 gallery[edit]

  • Alvesgaspar, I protected the page. I wanted to stop people vandalising it by adding or removing or changing numbers.

I didn't understand what you meant by 'consensus', but I do now. I think it will only become important in the last couple of days, right? Because until then the volume of votes will be overwhelming. So having a scrambled gallery (at least until then) is no problem. Also, people can find the images by number by doing a Ctrl+F Find using their browser. cheers, pfctdayelise (说什么?) 23:38, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

  • Thank you for your explanation. Yes, I was offended for having been taken for a vandal after all the work of preparation for the POTY 2006. But I suppose I'll have to live with it. I now think that the election period is too long, 7-10 days would have been enough. The problem is that after this first flood of voting people will become less interested in the contest. We will have to find ways to bring them back by the end of the period. I have inserted a discrete link for an ordered list of pictures in the POTY 2006 gallery. It is useful to me and it will be also to other users. A chinese version of all the the titles in the page would be nice. Regards, - Alvesgaspar 09:55, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

Abandoning the POTY 2006 project[edit]

  • I’m abandoning the project. I don’t deserve, and can’t tolerate, to be treated like an intruder or a vandal. Have fun and thank you for your help Alvesgaspar 13:44, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
  • Thank you for your words and concern. But how can I come back? First, I was already accused of manipulative behaviour [29] (maybe to come back in triumph?...). Second, though there seems to be a clear consensus towards facilitating the access to a sorted list of pictures (see here), nothing has really changed: there is one user giving orders and the others complaining ... but obeying. Alvesgaspar 13:22, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

Towns of the Riverina, New South Wales[edit]

Hi Elise - thanks for your message. I am new to Commons but working with a couple of other editors on this project. Are you saying that I can fix what I have started simply by moving all of the articles I have created of the Towns of the Riverina, New South Wales simply by moving all of them to a similar page name without the word images in it? Is that all I have to do? If so I will start the move tomorrow. I very much appreciate your help and clarification. VirtualSteve 15:04, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

  • Thank you - that was quick. I have started (can't sleep)! Will get all of them adjusted by tomorrow. VirtualSteve 15:12, 5 February 2007 (UTC)


Hi, I often see people uploading images with licensing can be used freely for non commercial uses. The I put this template on the user their talk page. If it already existed, I couldn't find it (but I might not have been looking too well) -- Bryan (talk to me) 19:33, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

You were probably pointing to {{speedywhat}}. Haven't seen that before :) -- Bryan (talk to me) 22:45, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

Orphium frutescens[edit]

Hi Andrew, please put all galleries such as this one into appropriate categories. Thanks! --pfctdayelise (说什么?) 12:54, 5 February 2007 (UTC) Apologies: I thought I had put it into cat: Gentianaceae. I have now fixed. Is there anywhere else you want me to put it? Regards Andrew massyn 20:44, 5 February 2007 (UTC)


Sorry to bug you on your too-busy talk page, but you have been enormously helpful in the past, so you are the first one I turn to, now.

How do I go about 'bot approval for User:Dvortybot? It is a bot to upload .ogg files from User:Dvortygirl in batches of 100 files at a time (once a day/once a week) that she would otherwise be uploading manually, slowly. Is bot approval needed/recommended for that sort of thing?


--Connel MacKenzie 06:43, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

I know I've said something like this before, and I know many others have as well, and I know you don't like hearing it OVER and OVER again, but you are absolutely the best. Thank you. --Connel MacKenzie 05:01, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

Setting targets[edit]

Because I set daily targets (so that I don't go totally mad)- can you please tell me if there is a Commons Edit Count similar to the ones used on English Wikipedia --VS talk...images 08:39, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

  • Thanks Elise - it is actually the count that I am interested in - so your link is a great help. I just find myself sitting in front of the computer for hours and forgetting about sleep, eat, drink when I wiki in any format - so to counter (no pun intended) I set myself a reasonable between target in terms of number of edits and then turn the machine off when I get there. It's my way of keeping sane. To answer your question - I hope ..... The external edit counter I use is found here Edit count by Essjay otherwise I use Kate's Tool. --VS talk...images 08:54, 7 February 2007 (UTC)



Yes, that's what I do, at least when it is clear that the uploader is not the author of the image. The problem is people putting fake licence because they don't know what a licence means. In quite a lot of cases, the author just forgets to put a licence even if he is the author of the image. Even I do that. In that case, we shouldn't delete the image, I think. What would help is not using the VfD process when there is a copyright issue. Still a lot of images get listed on Requests for deletion in that case. Yann 04:23, 2 February 2007 (UTC)


Nilfanion told me quite the opposite. So we should get a clear agreement. See User_talk:Yann#Deletion_of_images_in_Category:Unknown. Regards, Yann 23:22, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

Rename category?[edit]

Hi Elise, please, is it possible to rename the category? I think, maybe Category:Chess rook should be Category:Chess rooks, or it doent matter?

And I responded you one more time o n my talk page :). --Nolanus 20:16, 10 February 2007 (UTC)


As you have just deleted "James duguid" could you look at my posting here Commons:Administrators'_noticeboard/Attention#Odd_dupe_images as it relates to it. Thanks --Herby talk thyme 13:17, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

Apologies - done it now. I think I was getting irritated at the changes, there is at least one IP that has made changes to the image and I think one changed the file you deleted too. Sorry & thanks --Herby talk thyme 13:32, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

POTY 2006 Phase 1 closing[edit]

We need your help for organizing the closing of phase 1 and prepare the final. Will you please check Commons talk:Picture of the Year/2006. - Alvesgaspar 14:01, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

Editcounter script[edit]

Thank you for the script, but it doesn't work. Will you please verify if everyting is OK in my monobook.js file? Alvesgaspar 23:37, 12 February 2007 (UTC)


Hi, 've been away for quite a long time, and probably not able to become very active again here, to my dismay. Is there a procedure for taking away adminship because of inactivity here? If so please advise me how much work I'd need to do to avoid such a procedure. Because images are quite broadly discussed on nl. at the moment, mostly because of a merciless cleaning-out campaign by User:Siebrand, and "Commons-paranoia" is starting to flare up a bit as well (if you're talking images, you can't miss Commons alas), I'd like to keep my admin buttons, so I can check out deleted images and stuff. Second question: on Commons:Deletion requests/Category:Canadiens de Montréal I said category redirects can be used on Commons, but I've been away for a long time, so I'm actually not sure of the truth of that statement. Could you shed some light on this? I ask you all of this because you always were one of the people that kept Commons working by your effort, might you have stepped back, never mind, I'll ask someone else. Cheers, NielsF talk/overleg/discussion/discussione 04:17, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

Siebrand's being a lot stricter than anyone has been over the past, so anything not 100% sourced gets nominated, that's generating a lot of hubbub, especially with some of the "older editors" of, because in the early times strict policy and very clear, linked information was less important than another editor's word. Considering the Commons part: it's more that whenever the words "images" and "strict policy" are combined, Commons automatically comes into view. Whether that's a bad or a good thing "I leave in the middle" (literally translated Dutch). Because of the myriad mazes of copyright, usually Commons is badly understood at nl:, most users don't even begin to grasp Dutch/Belgian copyright law, let alone international treaties and US copyright law (although I admit to try, it's in a way actually far too complex for amateurs to handle). PS: could you answer my second question about categories? PS 2: Does Commons have any trouble with uploads from nl: users? For a couple of weeks now, the upload page on nl: doesn't allow direct uploads anymore, but points to Commons and the local upload page. Sorry to bother you so much!
Cheers, NielsF talk/overleg/discussion/discussione 04:45, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
Sorry, missed your intervention concerning [Commons:Deletion requests/Category:Canadiens de Montréal]], consider that one question as not having been asked. NielsF talk/overleg/discussion/discussione 05:02, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
As for the uploads, we typically see a reduction in uploads of 50%, so my guess is the other 50% ends up here (between 30-40 images/day). We have a table with some numbers here. Cheers! Siebrand 23:57, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

POTY 2006 vote counting[edit]

I have completed the verifications in all voting archives (1 to 5). The lists of anomalies are in the archives talk pages (see Commons:Picture of the Year/2006#vote). From these, you can go ahead with the counting. Bryan is doing an independ verification. Alvesgaspar 15:32, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

  • I went through your file and the following lines of voting are missing:
    • Archive 5: User (stricken in the vote page but validated later): 32, 291, 82, 30, 270
    • Archive 4: User 69, 49, 21, 265, 305
    • Archive 3: User IronGargoyle: 250, 137, 243, 61, 110
    • Archive 2: User Pruthvi Vallabh: 72, 121, 130, 159, 254 and User Falense: 187, 61, 284, 176, 303

I also corrected the two mistakes in my files that you flagged. But there are still some small discrepancies in the number of votes of the best classified pics. Alvesgaspar 09:22, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

polish Generals[edit]

ok, redirect done. Serdelll 14:20, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

Voting validity[edit]

Not stealing your job - just picked up some of the obvious one but I haven't checked them all in case you think so - cheers --Herby talk thyme 16:31, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

How did I guess that would be the answer <g>. The <100 and anon I can do easily but I was not sure what you did if there was not a "valid" diff - do you follow it up on their talk page or what?
You'll get used to me saying it but I'll help if I can (simple stuff I can usually manage!). Cheers --Herby talk thyme

Reply: POTY[edit]

Why is my vote not valid? Is it edit count? I posted with both my Commons user name and my English Wiki name, which as of this post has 1176 edits. I provided both because I have a Commons account (that has less than 100 edits) but a En wiki account that has significantly more. Am I only supposed to vote with one? Thanks. Alekjds 21:54, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

Oh wow. Thanks. Alekjds 02:43, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

FP discussion[edit]

You might like to have a look at the FP discussion at Commons:Featured picture candidates/Silvereye - Zosterops lateralis to see if you want to review your vote. --MichaelMaggs 23:12, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

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POTY 2006 vote counting[edit]

I have completed the verifications in all voting archives (1 to 5). The lists of anomalies are in the archives talk pages (see Commons:Picture of the Year/2006#vote). From these, you can go ahead with the counting. Bryan is doing an independ verification. Alvesgaspar 15:32, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

  • I went through your file and the following lines of voting are missing:
    • Archive 5: User (stricken in the vote page but validated later): 32, 291, 82, 30, 270
    • Archive 4: User 69, 49, 21, 265, 305
    • Archive 3: User IronGargoyle: 250, 137, 243, 61, 110
    • Archive 2: User Pruthvi Vallabh: 72, 121, 130, 159, 254 and User Falense: 187, 61, 284, 176, 303

I also corrected the two mistakes in my files that you flagged. But there are still some small discrepancies in the number of votes of the best classified pics. Alvesgaspar 09:22, 16 February 2007 (UTC)


Hi, 've been away for quite a long time, and probably not able to become very active again here, to my dismay. Is there a procedure for taking away adminship because of inactivity here? If so please advise me how much work I'd need to do to avoid such a procedure. Because images are quite broadly discussed on nl. at the moment, mostly because of a merciless cleaning-out campaign by User:Siebrand, and "Commons-paranoia" is starting to flare up a bit as well (if you're talking images, you can't miss Commons alas), I'd like to keep my admin buttons, so I can check out deleted images and stuff. Second question: on Commons:Deletion requests/Category:Canadiens de Montréal I said category redirects can be used on Commons, but I've been away for a long time, so I'm actually not sure of the truth of that statement. Could you shed some light on this? I ask you all of this because you always were one of the people that kept Commons working by your effort, might you have stepped back, never mind, I'll ask someone else. Cheers, NielsF talk/overleg/discussion/discussione 04:17, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

Siebrand's being a lot stricter than anyone has been over the past, so anything not 100% sourced gets nominated, that's generating a lot of hubbub, especially with some of the "older editors" of, because in the early times strict policy and very clear, linked information was less important than another editor's word. Considering the Commons part: it's more that whenever the words "images" and "strict policy" are combined, Commons automatically comes into view. Whether that's a bad or a good thing "I leave in the middle" (literally translated Dutch). Because of the myriad mazes of copyright, usually Commons is badly understood at nl:, most users don't even begin to grasp Dutch/Belgian copyright law, let alone international treaties and US copyright law (although I admit to try, it's in a way actually far too complex for amateurs to handle). PS: could you answer my second question about categories? PS 2: Does Commons have any trouble with uploads from nl: users? For a couple of weeks now, the upload page on nl: doesn't allow direct uploads anymore, but points to Commons and the local upload page. Sorry to bother you so much!
Cheers, NielsF talk/overleg/discussion/discussione 04:45, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
Sorry, missed your intervention concerning [Commons:Deletion requests/Category:Canadiens de Montréal]], consider that one question as not having been asked. NielsF talk/overleg/discussion/discussione 05:02, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
As for the uploads, we typically see a reduction in uploads of 50%, so my guess is the other 50% ends up here (between 30-40 images/day). We have a table with some numbers here. Cheers! Siebrand 23:57, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

polish Generals[edit]

ok, redirect done. Serdelll 14:20, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

Voting validity[edit]

Not stealing your job - just picked up some of the obvious one but I haven't checked them all in case you think so - cheers --Herby talk thyme 16:31, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

How did I guess that would be the answer <g>. The <100 and anon I can do easily but I was not sure what you did if there was not a "valid" diff - do you follow it up on their talk page or what?
You'll get used to me saying it but I'll help if I can (simple stuff I can usually manage!). Cheers --Herby talk thyme

Reply: POTY[edit]

Why is my vote not valid? Is it edit count? I posted with both my Commons user name and my English Wiki name, which as of this post has 1176 edits. I provided both because I have a Commons account (that has less than 100 edits) but a En wiki account that has significantly more. Am I only supposed to vote with one? Thanks. Alekjds 21:54, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

Oh wow. Thanks. Alekjds 02:43, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

FP discussion[edit]

You might like to have a look at the FP discussion at Commons:Featured picture candidates/Silvereye - Zosterops lateralis to see if you want to review your vote. --MichaelMaggs 23:12, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

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Image:Male and female superb fairy wren.jpg[edit]

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re: Help with daily-image-l[edit]

Thanks for asking, but I do not have cygwin/Linux + Python installed, and based on the current hardware I have and the computers I have access to at a given time, I probably do not have the necessary memory and disk space. Sorry. Thanks anyway. Zzyzx11 23:26, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

Page deletion request[edit]

Hi Elise can you help me please? I created this page User:VirtualSteve/Images as a comparison guide between english and commons images that I was in the process of transwikying over a few weeks. I have now caught up and no longer need that page. Can you either speedy delete it for me or tell me how to set up that process? --VS talk...images 12:14, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

Stumbled upon this and speedied the page. NielsF talk/overleg/discussion/discussione 17:34, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

Help wanted :-)[edit]

I found interesting group plants identification group on At least some of my images were identified :-). Could you please ask them for help with our Category:Unidentified plants. I tried to do that there, but I'm not good in PR :-(

EugeneZelenko 16:21, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

Thank you[edit]

Hi Pfctdayelise,
Thank you for voting in my request for adminship, it has been successful. Sorry for the ammount of time that has passed, I was too side-tracked with helping out using my new privilages.
Thanks once again,
Lcarsdata 18:10, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

Poty archive[edit]

You might want to look at The zip is quite on its way. If you have any improvements, please tell. -- Bryan (talk to me) 22:41, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

Yes, I still have to check the diacritics stuff. I also have to redo some license stuff. I also will add the pre next links. I hope to release a preview to night to the Commons community, so that we have a zip at the end of the election. The stuff now resides at the toolserver, but I am afraid keeping it there will slashdot the toolserver. Do you know who/where/what I should contact to get it on the main servers? -- Bryan (talk to me) 12:55, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

Invalid votes[edit]

  • Alvesgaspar, be careful striking some votes where the voter appears to have linked to a userpage elsewhere, like Tixotd here. As his signature, part of his sig links to enwp, but not all of it. This is a valid vote, although you struck it out (I haven't changed it yet, since I assume you will). So be careful to check for those things. pfctdayelise (说什么?) 13:24, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
  • But according to the instructions (and Bryan's guide), it is not enough to insert a link to the user's talk page. It is necessary to assert the identity of the voter through a new entry in his talk page and a diff link to it in the voting entry. That is not the case with Tixotd and then his vote is invalid. Alvesgaspar 13:46, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

User:MediaWiki Update Bot[edit]

I set sysop status at first, and tried to grant bot status after and got MediaWiki Update Bot has administrator or bureaucrat privileges, and cannot be granted bot status. May be developers could do something? --EugeneZelenko 15:46, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

Try adding the bot flag first, then the sysop flag. If that doesn't work, let me know. (I will try and get a steward to remove the sysop flag now.) pfctdayelise (说什么?) 12:02, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
It works this way! Is developers still accept bug reports and trying to fix problems such problems? :-) --EugeneZelenko 16:21, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

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Right-to-left in Arabic\Hebrew[edit]

An example here, the page should be from right to left and same with the uselang=ar version of it. Probably more instances of this around the site. Yonatanh 09:42, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

An assessment[edit]

I have been contemplating nominating myself as an admin. I have been on the commons for more than a year, and have more than 2800 edits. Before I officially nominate myself I wanted to get some feedback. Thanks! --Evrik 19:36, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

  • I expanded my statement in response to your comments. --Evrik 14:08, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Foto sequence[edit]

Hi, an italina user, User:Nino Barbieri (but he lives in Germany so maybe he speaks german too) would like to upload a sequence of photos (a bees swarm); is there a standard? He thinks to upload them in a cronological way, in order to mantein the sense of the sequence; any ideas? Is there any tool to perform a massive upload? Thanks in advance for your support, --mac 10:10, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

I've routed your suggestion to Nino; thanks for the hints. --mac 14:15, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Scripted SVGs[edit]


You asked on Template Scripted SVG, if these are safe. I must admit, that they could be a security issue. Therefore I started a thread at Commons talk:Transition to SVG. If you know another place, where this could be discussed, please let me know. Regards --Manuel (Diskussion) 13:15, 7 March 2007 (UTC)


Can you use some help on OTRS? If so, I'm happy to volunteer. I tried asking UninvitedCompany as suggested at Commons:OTRS, but UC doesn't seem to be around much at the moment. --MichaelMaggs 18:48, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

Try also contacting Mindspillage... ++Lar: t/c 16:23, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

re A_general_proposal_to_reduce_gallery/category_fights[edit]

Hi, being newish here I've been doing the usual head scratching about what on earth the standard category/gallery setup is meant to be and reading endless discussions (well I haven't found the end yet ;-). Anyway I came to a reference to your proposal: Commons:Village_pump_archive/2006Oct#A_general_proposal_to_reduce_gallery.2Fcategory_fights which seems admirably sensible and didn't have any objectors - so is it implemented (if so where), if not why not and can I help??? :-) --Tony Wills 19:32, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply :-). I am currently working through the Birds categories (where I may have wrought minor havok, though no ones undone anything I've changed yet). The more I tried to sort out, the more I realised conformity wasn't part of how different people organised things ;-). I finally stumbled upon the ToL project (none of the articles or categories I worked on had any reference to it which seems pretty strange compared with wikipedia projects where projects stamp their mark everywhere) and I have started a new discussion on the talk page, but haven't mentioned your proposal as I wanted to check out its status first. Seems to me that discussion never results in any change, is seldom summarised and somewhat repetitive and where there are links to previous discussions or points they're hard to follow a month later as they've subsequently been archived. Having read many pages of discussion and the saga of the LifeBot, your solution seems to solve the 'how do we mark already sorted stuff' or 'how do we find unsorted stuff' problems independently of the gallery/category thing and I've not seen any reason not to use it, I'd very much like to roll it's use out in a category (just manually so no-one can block it ;-) and see how it goes. --Tony Wills 05:55, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
Ok I have created template:Project, eg usage {{Project|Tree of Life}}. What do you think? Any changes before I roll it out :-) --Tony Wills 02:19, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
Well the if statement was so that it wouldn't print anything on the image page unless there was a parameter giving a project name. Surely it won't load the tool server unless you update the template and it needs to update all images using it? ... will that consideration mean it is impractical to use on plants anyway? Perhaps we'd have to set in concrete the template so that it isn't changed often. After creating the template I realised that the Cat_Scan wouldn't be able to differentiate between different projects (as they'd all be using the same template). You could of course confine the scan to particular categories, too bad if an image fell into two wikiprojects. I thought the template was an elegant solution that could be used across many projects, seems a bit clumsy to create a separate template for each project. There is of course no wikiproject birds anyway, so it'd be a template for all ToL (including zillions of plants). --Tony Wills 10:56, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
  • Ok, why don't I start a WikiProject Birds and make a template WikiProject_Birds containing no conditionals, just text (though an Icon or Box might be nice in the future :-) --Tony Wills 22:29, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

where should I ask about Image:IMG 9397.jpg[edit]

I think that image is a copyvio because the very same image appears in wikipedia under the gfdl, and there's a name in the corner. What template/what page do i put it. Bawolff 08:19, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

Thankyou. Bawolff 03:46, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

Naked children[edit]

You said, "Doesn't mean we should keep it, either, but I'm convinced that these are overtly sexual." Is that what you meant? Cary "Bastiqe" Bass demandez 01:19, 13 March 2007 (UTC)


Yes, I noticed my stupidity about a minute after editing it (what's even more annoying is that the edit went through three times because it gave me the standard server is down message) and asked the devs to clear the job queue, unfortunately nobody replied but of course I won't make the same mistake again. Sorry again. Yonatanh 23:43, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

Main page[edit]

Sure, I guess I'll put the POTY there instead? The translation is "local projects" and it's a list of pages that need to be translated (and a link to the Hebrew village pump). I suppose I'll probably translate them soon anyway and that if none of the Hebrew main page visitors have translated them up 'til now they won't do so if I leave it up there. Yonatanh 00:26, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

Also, on an unrelated note I thought I'd tell you that something good came out of my edits to the GFDL template as I submitted a bugzilla report that will prevent edits to noinclude sections of templates from being added to the job queue (as it's obviously not needed). That'll hopefully, when implemented, save more server resources than I just wasted. ;) Yonatanh 00:26, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
Another question (they just keep coming up as I go along), earlier today on IRC bastique suggested we get a lady's opinion on Image:Ejaculation_Educational_Demonstration.OGG (NSFW). I'm nominating its GIF version for deletion as a redundant copy now. Yonatanh 00:26, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

Replacing images[edit]

See User:Orgullobot/commands/documentation#To_replace_one_image_with_another. pfctdayelise (说什么?) 00:36, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

The bot can not replace JPGs, GIFs or PNGs files with SVGs. So that does not really help. --ALE! ¿…? 08:56, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
It can, but I asked Orgullomoore to place tha restriction because I was worried about rampant replacing of all non-SVG images with SVG images, even when inappropriate. Maybe you remember we have had some trouble with this in the past. I posted to the mailing lists and asked for input about guidelines on this. Virtually no one replied. What do you think about this situation? --pfctdayelise (说什么?) 10:40, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
The problem is, that almost nobody is working on the "superseded section" of the deletion requests. Some PNGs (or such) which are to be replaced by mostly SVGs look the same. Guidelines for the bot assited replacement of other files then SVGs with SVGs should mention, that should only be done with "identical" files, looking the same. We had for instance to replace GIF and PNG versions of the olympic rings with SVGs, which looked absolutly the same and have considerable advantages as they are vector files. However this is a very annoying task as some files are used in hundreds of pages. To do change the usages by hand is almost not possible. Especially bearing in mind that almost nobody works on the superseded files. --ALE! ¿…? 15:27, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
Sorry to butt in but I agree, an admin should probably know better than to replace a png with an inappropriate svg (then again an admin should know better than to stupidly edit a high-use template). I'd probably work more on the superseded section if it were easier to replace the images. Yonatanh 23:45, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
I suppose you're probably right and you guys probably had a good reason to decide this back then. Maybe we can make a rule that if a highly used png has been replaced by an svg two admins have to agree that it needs to be replaced? Or that we have to ask at least the project it's used the most on (or the first two projects). Anyway, there's no point in creating svg replacements if they aren't gonna be used instead of the png's. Yonatanh 23:52, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
I absolutely agree with Yonatanh on this. --ALE! ¿…? 10:22, 16 March 2007 (UTC)


I believe it would be beneficial for the commons community if you were to become a checkuser. While I seem to recall that you didn't view checkuser as especially useful, it is useful at times and all the more so if a checkuser is available realtime to check a vandals IP before his edits are deleted. We currently do not have active checkusers. As a result I've decided to ask the community for checkuser status. I've noticed in the IRC activity graphs that your activity times are opposite mine and would compliment my activity times nicely. If you're interested, you can model a RFCU after mine. --Gmaxwell 18:35, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

I agree with Gmaxwell that we need more active CUs and I think you are an ideal candidate, I'd encourage you to stand for it, even though I know that your school year is making things busier for you... ++Lar: t/c 19:09, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
Concur :D I think you very much that you will be a great candidate for Checkuser. If you don't want to nominate yourself, I can of course nominate you. -- Bryan (talk to me) 19:55, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
I have nominated you here: Commons:Administrators/Requests_and_votes/Pfctdayelise_(rfcu). Please accept. If you don't accept, you will hurt my feelings. Therefore you must. Cary "Bastiqe" Bass demandez 02:07, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

Rather than replying on four different talk pages, I will reply on my own for once: Gmaxwell: did you check the IRC logs since March? Because then you would not notice much activity at all. I expect/hope this to be my pattern for 2007, not the summer's frenzied involvement. :)

It may indeed be beneficial for the Commons community, but I am not sure it would be beneficial for me. I only have so much to give and I aim for a long and fruitful relationship with Wikimedia rather than one that burns out due to overwork. CU is about vandal fighting and it's of almost no interest to me. I am much more interested in community management.

Lar & Bryan: thanks, I am sure that if I stood I would be successful. Lack of support is not holding me back. Personal will is.

Bastique: coercion makes studying monk cry: Meditating monk.jpg

Thanks all, try again next year ;) --pfctdayelise (说什么?) 04:35, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

Arggghh! You deleted! You could have simply refused but you went and deleted it!! Arghhh! Cary Bass demandez 13:53, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

Incidentally: come on guys, be more imaginative! We cannot grow appropriate groups of trusted users here if we keep relying on the people we already know. What about ALE! ? Herbythyme? Nilfanion? Stan Shebs? Thuresson? WarX? --pfctdayelise (说什么?) 04:41, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

Ooops - shouldn't eavesdrop <g>. I've been writing something up about increasing CUs here for a couple of weeks now! It bugs me to see us dealing with users who cannot or will not understand policy, are blocked and (cynic that I am) have done the same before/will do the same again (I stress puppetry is not the issue, it is peripheral on Commons, maybe most places other than wp). The rights should be be gained by active trusted sysops and used - my 0.02 and I'll happily air the views more publicly. I'm certainly happy to nom at least a couple of people who active and trusted. Hope you don't mind the intrusion --Herby talk thyme 11:38, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

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Re: Image:Britney-Spears082.jpg[edit]

Sorry I didn't get back to you sooner. Anyways, if you see my talk page, he said that he would attribute it himself on Commons. He had me upload it for him, as he didn't have an account at the time. What it means when it asks for the original source was, at least i thought, who took it. Well, he's the one who took it, I just uploaded it. Take a look at the talk page for more. Thanks. Imageboy1 01:35, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

Inappropriate username[edit]

Hi Pfctdayelise

I just came across an account named Wikipedia Corporation. It is inactive, but such a username is not appropriate. Would you mind taking a look at it? Happy editing. Valentinian (talk) 09:36, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

Sorry Pfctdayelise but I don't understand your last post. I took no action against the account in question. Since you're an admin, I asked you to take a look at it. Nothing more, nothing less. I did not kill the account. Valentinian (talk) 23:26, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
pfctdayelise's reaction on your talkpage was directed at yonatanh, not at you, see your own talkpage, Valentinian. Hope I cleared up this one correctly. Cheers, NielsF talk/overleg/discussion/discussione 00:52, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
Okay, thanks for the comment, I fixed it. Yonatan talk 06:49, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

Adminship for Tintazul[edit]

I did not express myself correctly; of course I intend to do adminship on Commons! I have reworded my text; please go back to the nomination page and review your vote. – Tintazul talk 11:21, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

Sour? Not at all! ^_^ If anything, I get a feeling that adminship is a lot about leaving editing and uploading behind quite a bit, and dedicating myself to meta-activities... talking about stuff rather than doing it. It also seems to be about serving as a target for other people's anger... that guy who said he's not voting in favour because he's upset with someone? Oh please. And yet, I remember times in my life when I was so frustrated, I would have done the same thing if I could, so I think I can understand. Not right now, so I'm all right - I will keep up the uploading, FlickrLickr, voting for deletion, etc. etc.. Thank you very much for your words - and even for not supporting me but giving me your neutral vote! Let's be honest; I like being a regular editor. Being an admin would spoil the fun a lot! Stay well – Tintazul talk 18:31, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

Possibly Unfree Image[edit]

Image:InaugurationOWUHuddleston.jpg seems to be taken from here on the Ohio Wesleyan University website, so it is copyrighted, not GFDL. I am used to en wikipedia templates and did not know how to flag it as copyvio (tried PUI templates). Thanks, Ruhrfisch 02:02, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

  • Thanks for the deletion and the heads up on the tag to use. Ruhrfisch 03:26, 27 March 2007 (UTC)


Maybe - we arrange to ask a question consistently to all on RfX about inactivity? Policy will take time but there seem to be people who would agree with our ideas in general (I'm assuming we agree roughly!?). This might start to underpin a policy suggestion. I also feel there is a sense in which CU inactivity is more of an issue than admin - there are far fewer, when it is needed it is needed and even meta think inactivity is an issue on these rights.

When I arrived on Books they had gone through an apparently painful process of changing to de-sysop after a year's inactivity (editing). I threw in the "surely you mean admin activity?" but was told that the admin activity tool didn't record all admin actions (tho I can't find the comment to follow up on now).

In practice I would have no problem with 6+ months inactivity if they told us about it - an acknowledged break seems ok to me. I will happily agree to any "question" on this I might have been asked on my RfA retrospectively - maybe a few others would agree too? (On Books both my RfA and my RfCU stated that I would request the withdrawal of the rights if I was inactive for 3 months, I would consider myself bound by the same here). Maybe hear from you - cheers --Herby talk thyme 10:15, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Unusual for me - I'm going to think about it! Not sure that picking one of the most junior admins who does not want to annoy folk at the moment to put up a policy that may annoy folk is quite what I had in mind (you should know that when I am not being serious, I am frequently being lighthearted, I had to warn Wikibooks that my posts often contain humor!).
Admin is a "mop and broom" job IMO - no reverence required/involved but "Admins & power" is a difficult one - I basically abandoned an account on Wp because, among other reasons, I saw some admins as appearing to have, and take, power and be unresponsive to "ordinary" users (I see it should be the other way round actually - they are there to help ordinary users - my 0.02). I quite like confirmation but I think it would probably be an unnecessary pain. I certainly prefer "admin activity" to anything else. Not aware anyone else sees CU (stewards and higher I guess excepted) but it is seen across all wikis. Agree "edit" active 'crats are not an issue - there are rarely too many of them. (in a sense that maybe is the case for CU, not sure and maybe too involved).
The rationale/perception etc I get to think about - not online tomorrow but I will be thinking. --Herby talk thyme 11:47, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
It really isn't a problem to me - humor was there. I'll happily help, though I don't know enough about Commons yet and - sometimes - rules & I don't see eye to eye <g>. It will get thought and you will have a response I assure you --Herby talk thyme 13:12, 27 March 2007 (UTC)


I see you've removed from your page the threat of blocking anyone who thanks you for voting in their RFA. So I hope I'm safe :) Here goes ...Thanks for voting in my RFA. I've been too busy at work do any Admin stuff yet, but will make a start soon. --MichaelMaggs 20:00, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

Dude, don't thank her for voting. She'll kill you. Seriously. Cary Bass demandez 20:48, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

I hereby officially rescind my thanks. --MichaelMaggs 21:25, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

protect Image:Freedomdefined-CC-BY.png[edit]

Not sure if this is within commons policy, but currently Image:Freedomdefined-CC-BY.png is a very very high visibility image on wikinews (Its in the footer), I was wondering if you could protect it, as it really probably won't be changed that often, and if someone vandalized it, it would not be good. Thanks. Bawolff 23:04, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

done —n:Wikinews:Important images not directly link that if are deleted you will incur many peoples wrath. Bawolff 00:06, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
Eloquence changed to Image:CCBY yellow.png. Could you perhaps do that one? Bawolff 06:45, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

OTRS and Flickr[edit]

Hi there. I'm doing some Flickr-license reviewing and came across an image that had an OTRS link in it, so could you probably review this image? Thanks in advance! --Conti| 23:07, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

You're right. I just didn't knew whether I should replace the Flickr-review template as usual, since that would indicate that I have verified the OTRS stuff or something. I've gone ahead and did it anyway now tho, adding a note that the image should be fine. --Conti| 15:05, 4 April 2007 (UTC)


Are you around and have you got a minute? Thanks --Herby talk thyme 08:21, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

Ignore this - posted elsewhere - thanks --Herby talk thyme 09:12, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

Redesigning the upload form[edit]

Hi. I have now translated Commons:Upload/no and the upload forms. Can your bot fix the MediaWiki message problem? Kjetil r 23:19, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

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