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Welcome to the Commons, Pieter Kuiper!
Thank you, YonaBot, also for the {{Welcome}}, but I will move it out of the way now, for easier navigation. /Pieter Kuiper (talk) 23:28, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

Image Tagging Image:50Hz60Hz.svg[edit]

Thanks for uploading Image:50Hz60Hz.svg. I notice the image page currently doesn't specify who created the content, so the copyright status is unclear. Polarlys 21:51, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for pointing this out. I fixed it. /Pieter Kuiper

Växjös vapen[edit]

Hej. Snyggt vapen du gjorde. Ska bara passa på att peka på det mer specifika {{insignia-Sweden}} samt Category:Coats of arms of municipalities of Sweden. =) /Lokal_Profil 02:08, 26 June 2007 (UTC)


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Hello, and thank your for sharing your files with Commons. There seems to be a problem regarding the description and/or licensing of this particular file. Please remember that all uploads require source, author and license information. Could you please resolve these problems, which are described on the page linked in above? Thank you. --Siebrand 11:03, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

What can I do? The map is old, drawn by Olaus Magnus about 1520. I scanned it from a translation published 1909. I do not understand the problem. /Pieter Kuiper 15:25, 14 August 2007 (UTC)


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Hello, would you be so kind to explain why you blanked this page? Thanks, PatríciaR msg 11:42, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

The page had only one image, an airplane, to which I assigned the category "contrails". I did not really know what to do with the page after that. I also took away the categories "sky", "physics", "aircraft", so that it ended up empty. I am trying to weed in overpopulated high-up categories like "physics". /Pieter Kuiper 11:51, 16 September 2007 (UTC)


Thanks Pieter for your praise. Köroğlu 23:35, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

Image:Dänningelanda klockstapel.JPG[edit]

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Fruktansvärt oärligt av dig att lägga bilderna på delete bara för att du är kär i syrianerna. Du vet ju att copyright och sådant inte är problemet egentligen, du vet mycket väl att du vill få dem raderade, inte för copyright problem, men för att du har tagit syrianernas sida eftersom du tror att jag är en stygg person och att syrianerna är goda änglar. — EliasAlucard 15:37, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

Deletion request[edit]

For marking duplicates please use {{duplicate|Image:original_file_name.jpg}} template. --Leafnode 07:58, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

Yes, I realized that as soon as I had clicked delete and lots of things happened automatically. /Pieter Kuiper 11:29, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

TUSC token 9eccc70a279c75c76d492c4e724deb72[edit]

I am now proud owner of a TUSC account!


Image deletion warning Image:Crucified_Jens_Galschiot.jpeg has been listed at Commons:Deletion requests so that the community can discuss whether it should be kept or not. We would appreciate it if you could go to voice your opinion about this at its entry.

If you created this image, please note that the fact that it has been proposed for deletion does not necessarily mean that we do not value your kind contribution. It simply means that one person believes that there is some specific problem with it, such as a copyright issue.
In all cases, please do not take the deletion request personally. It is never intended as such. Thank you!

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Pieter Kuiper (talk) 16:14, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

don't take deletion requests personally. You and I, we are from countries with rather broad Freedom of panorama laws. But that is not true for many other countries. I had to learn that by myself when working on Commons. Even in Italy, you can't take a picture from a building and publish it (or upload it to Commons), if the architect isn't dead for >70 years. --Túrelio (talk) 19:03, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

I am not taking it personally, but unless something like the copyright of pictures of statues out in the open is expressly reserved, I think it is allowed. This was in Kenya, and I do not think the copyright situation there is sufficiently obvious to propose speedy deletion. I think we should try to keep pictures, not to throw them out. Also, do you think Galschøt's own photo's here are sufficiently free for commons? /Pieter Kuiper (talk) 19:21, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
About Galschøt's own photo's: I don't think so, after reading "They can be used by the media free of copyright indicating". Commons is clearly not "media". Use by media is usually restricted to reporting of current events. For the same reason we cannot use typical photos "for the press". About I think we should try to keep pictures: true, but we also have to respect the copyright ownership of artists. Of course, in all these cases any Commons user is free to personally contact the artist or copyrights holder and ask him if he would grant the image under a fitting license. I did this in a few cases, some were a failure, some were successful. Cheers. --Túrelio (talk) 19:39, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
Though I can't predict the RFDs' outcome, if you save the files and their description on your PC, thereafter it might be easier to upload them under fair-use on :en or elsewhere. --13:04, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
If all images of Galschiøt's work would be deleted on commons, I think I would contact his website. It is my impression that he wants his work to be shown, but it is a bit difficult to predict if he would allow all commercial use. /Pieter Kuiper (talk) 13:37, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
You might "negotiate" with him about resolution and license type. It's an open secret that if you want to prevent non-online use of an image, you license it only under GFDL, because - as to my knowledge - that license requires to present the full license text besides the image - something that can't be done if you print it, for example, on a bottle or on a t-shirt. --Túrelio (talk) 15:12, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
Ah! Thank you, I did not know that. /Pieter Kuiper (talk) 17:22, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

Help:Mass nominations[edit]

Please do a group deletion request when nominating many images for the same reason; this saves effort for everyone. Thanks.  — Mike.lifeguard | @en.wb 00:36, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

Bisschoppen checken?[edit]

Waar is deze foto genomen? Image:Belgische Bisschoppen.jpg??? voor dat je iets toevoegt zou ik eerst een checken waneer je verkeerde informatie verspreid. Dit is een grove fout, als je geen bron checkt!!!

deze foto is niet in Brugge genomen!

Carolus (talk) 11:15, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

Ik maakte een Category:Procession of the Precious Blood, Bruges, en dit beeld leek me dezelfde eretribune. Ik zie nu dat het niet dezelfde datum was. Sorry. /Pieter Kuiper (talk) 11:56, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

I am ignoring your vote.[edit]

Files on Commons must be free in both the source country and the US. ViperSnake151 (talk) 13:03, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

This is about Commons:Deletion requests/Image:Snowzengoff.JPG, old press images from Israel that are public domain there. It is not att all clear to me that they would not be free in the US. Are you really certain that the photographer would be able to claim royalties in the US? Anyway, this way of giving priority to US copyright law makes commons less usefull to non-english projects. /Pieter Kuiper (talk) 13:16, 4 October 2008 (UTC)


Hej! Är det säkert att bilder som Image:Quarnevalen 1965.jpg är PD? Jag undrar lite för att dessa bilder har nog inte publicerats innan Andrew Eick uppladdade dem til Flickr. /Pieter Kuiper (talk) 07:12, 27 September 2008 (UTC)

Det intressanta är inte om de publicerats tidigare eller inte. Det intressanta är att bilden skapades 1969. När bilden konverterades till digitalt format och lades upp på Flickr är irrelevant. Det finns en ingående diskussion om olika aspekter av detta här. —Gabbe (talk) 08:04, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

Please remain calm and collegial[edit]

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Nuvola apps important.svg It is important to keep a cool head, especially when responding to comments against you or your edits. Personal attacks and disruptive comments only escalate a situation; please keep calm and remember that action can be taken against other parties if necessary. Attacking another user back can only satisfy trolls or anger contributors and leads to general bad feeling. Please try to remain civil with your comments. Thanks! Mardetanha talk 22:55, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

You rose to a task above your competence. You delete far too many files, and you do not take complaints seriously. It is a mystery to me how other administrators can let you carry on like this, deleting pages from Gray's anatomy. Something like this reply by you may be phrased civilly, but it is an insult to the complaint of the user. It is an insult tou yourself much worse than what I could ever write. How can one miss that the request is about Image:Un Colón y 25 céntimos de Costa Rica 1948.jpg? And even if not all the accents or capitalizations had been exactly right, it is you damned job to check for something similar in you deletion log. /Pieter Kuiper (talk) 23:05, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
Pieter Kuiper wat is er precies aan de hand? Het best is om kalm te blijven met woede komen we nergens. Sterkebaktalk 20:46, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
Ik ben heel kalm hoor. Maar niemand doet iets aan al die klachten op Mardetanhas discussiepagina over zijn foutieve verwijderingen. Hij radeert ze gewoon, of hij doet alsof hij niet weet over welke file mensen praten. Dus doe ik het. Ik wijs hem precies de URL die hersteld moet worden, ik wijs hem erop waar de bron en de auteur vermeld worden, etcetera. Zelf lukt het hem zoiets duidelijk niet. /Pieter Kuiper (talk) 20:58, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

Thank you[edit]

Many, many thanks for your help to restore all the 1912 Summer Olympics images!!! I am very happy! I hope that there will be a way to restore the images from 1908 also... Kind regards Doma-w (talk) 21:45, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

You are welcome. For the 1908 games UK law applies, and I hope somebody else will be able to help you there. I see that you are Austrian. All these different rules are such a mess, and the way administrators apply them here does not increase my confidence in this image depository. /Pieter Kuiper (talk) 21:54, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
By the way, lots of images from the 1952 Olympics should be PD because of {{PD-Finland50}}. /Pieter Kuiper (talk) 20:28, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
Great! This are good news! Kind regards Doma-w (talk) 16:26, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

My cropping[edit]

If you really feel so, feel free to click on the "revert" link, next to my entry in the "history" section of the image description page. Teofilo (talk) 20:21, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

As I suspected, clicking undo on your mutilation of Image:תמונה 682.jpg does not work. This probably needs admin help. /Pieter Kuiper (talk) 20:28, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
What I meant was not the "undo" link in the "history" tab, but the "revert" link, in the following section at the bottom of the "file" tab : Image:תמונה 682.jpg#filehistory. Teofilo (talk) 22:10, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
That worked. Thank you, I had never noticed that button before. /Pieter Kuiper (talk) 22:15, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

Image Tagging Image:Phun cycloid.png[edit]

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Hello. Phun only use a non commercial license only. Commons only allow commercial content. That why, it need to request the release under a free license of this content from Phun developpers. If you want, i can request that. Thanks a lot. ~ bayo or talk 09:56, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

Hi! As I understand it, Phun's noncommercial limitation is on distribution of the software. I cannot see any limitation on images created by using the program. There was no EULA when I ran the program, and I believe that I had the right to release this in the public domain. The only thing that I have wondered about is the top list of the window, which is from Apple's OS X. I considered it de minimis, but if necessary I can upload an image without it.
But by all means, if commons requires authorisation by Phun, please go ahead and write to them. Regards, /Pieter Kuiper (talk) 10:26, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
Its very clear "You are not allowed to use Phun in a commercial context, including commercial distribution of Phun, or commercial use of content or other material derived from Phun."[1]. A screenshot is a "material derived from Phun". I will request them this week end, a worst. Remember me if anybody delete the image. ~ bayo or talk 16:48, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
Those are questionable legal claims by Phun, plus your interpretation of those claims. However, I am just a layman, and I hope Phun will send you a satisfactory reply. /Pieter Kuiper (talk) 09:22, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

Commons:Deletion requests/Image:14 Entwurf Bensheim.gif[edit]

I haven't completed the reason until your contribution. May you want to read again.
--D-Kuru (talk) 12:37, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

OK, but I had seen that there were more similar files from the same uploader. It is likely that the uploader is acting on behalf of the architect's office. But if you need proof of that, it is better to ask for OTRS confirmation rather than proposing to delete. /Pieter Kuiper (talk) 12:53, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

Template:User SUL[edit]

Hi! I don't really understand what you wanted to say here. Also could you translate this template for your local wikipedia sv: ? Thank you very much, cordialement, Otourly (talk) 09:32, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

Hi! I had problems with this template, but I think it is very useful. It should be easy to copy this, so I named this sv:Mall:SUL Box. Usage should be easy, but I encountered problems on Spanish wikipedia. /Pieter Kuiper (talk) 10:58, 1 November 2008 (UTC)
The spanish one doesn't work like sv:Mall:SUL Box. Let's see es:User:Otourly for help. Otourly (talk) 16:52, 1 November 2008 (UTC)


Om du vill hjälpa mig med detta med kategorisering och egen beteckning och bildkatalog vore Southerly Clubs och jag ytterst tacksamma. Det skulle antagligen ta mig 3 dagar, dig kanskle ganska snabbt? EmilEikS (talk) 21:15, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

Deletion of GCMOON.jpg[edit]

Pieter, I would like you to explain the procedure by which this figure was deleted. There is a discussion here: , but then the figure was deleted without further comment. Where is the discussion or final "vote" for deletion? Doug youvan (talk) 04:13, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

Well, that is rather clear. I proposed deletion, Walter Siegmund seconded that, and an administrator (MichealMaggs) deleted it. No image material was deleted, you can just display a comparison of those two images using normal layout. /Pieter Kuiper (talk) 08:34, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

Also, is there a better search for SVG than this on .en? Doug youvan (talk) 04:22, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

I do not know. /Pieter Kuiper (talk) 08:34, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

Re: Image:IMG 2608.JPG[edit]

thanks for your message!
I deleted by error when I hit the [del] link yesterday in the deletion request: I was beleiving that the link would have added a prefilled deletion advice, not that it would actually delete the image...
I restored it just now. Sorry for the inconvenience.
Best regards from France,
-- AlNo (discuter/talk/hablar/falar) 08:46, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

User talk:SterkeBak[edit]


I don't mean to interfere, but I think that there is little point in edit warring on a user's talk page. Users are technically allowed to archive discussions as they please, and it is clear that SterkeBak has understood that the image is proposed for deletion.

Cheers! Rama (talk) 09:39, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

Well, he is not archiving it. This guy is admin under probation, and he is censoring messages that might make an unfavorable impression. We use past upload records to estimate if images might be copyright violations, and people look at admin talk pages when voting. Trying to prettify one's talk page is very much frowned upon on the wikipedias where I am active. /Pieter Kuiper (talk) 09:44, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
A lot of examples of the same behaviour may be found at his local wikipedia (NL). Tekstman (talk) 14:17, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

Please be civil[edit]

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You are acting in an uncivil manner. Please remain civil and don't resort to making personal attacks or instigate edit wars. If your behaviour is not moderated, you may be blocked from further editing. Mardetanha talk 21:24, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

You are a disaster as an administrator. The way you treat user requests like User talk:Mardetanha#ponte metálica is a disgrace. Why don't you resign? /Pieter Kuiper (talk) 21:29, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
Please, let us not get into a dispute. Let us just take a nice cup of tea :) --Kanonkas(talk) 00:02, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
Mr Kuiper has made a very good impression on us at my organization as a constructive and fair person, however lacking in patience with a few destructive and arrogant individuals to whom their prestige seems to be the only important thing. Then comes nothing. Then comes nothing. Then comes nothing. And then maybe way down on their list comes doing a little constructive work for Wikipedia. Like writing something educational. Going out and taking some nice pictures to post, whatever. Constructive! Pieter du kan ju se på min SvW användarsidas diskussion med skumma Annika om du vill. Best to all constructive Wikipedians. EmilEikS (talk) 09:55, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
Annika64? Jag har sett lite, men jag tycker inte att hon är särskilt skum. Jag tror inte att jag någonsin hade problem med henne. Det har tydligen flyttats runt på dina bidrag, men jag ser inte varifrån. Jag ska se om jag kan minska friktionen. /Pieter Kuiper (talk) 10:25, 10 November 2008 (UTC)


I have started a discussion at Commons_talk:Licensing#Floats if you are interested. Cheers, -- Infrogmation (talk) 00:16, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

Thank you! I will read it. I am worried, but I think I will let others speak first. /Pieter Kuiper (talk) 00:19, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

Yr i huvudet av allt bilsidesklickande[edit]

Hej igen! När jag är exvis på EnW och tar fram en av våra artiklar och klickar på bilden så kommer jag till en sida som inte visar något om Category:Southerly Cl... osv, men det syns vilken artikelsida bilden finns med på. När jag klickar på länken till bildsidan på Commons kommer jag dit, och där står det att bilden tillhör kategorien, men inte att den finns med i någon artikel. Om jag uttryckt mig någorlunda begripligt här, kan du ge mig ett råd på hur man kan städa lite i detta? M v h EmilEikS (talk) 23:06, 11 November 2008 (UTC) PS har tackat dig lite på min nya användarsida här, eftersom du "inte är så ödmjuk" av dig, menar jag....

Tack, det är trevligt. Ska jag ändra den fetstilta referensen i en länk till kategorin?
Bildsnurren är förvirrande eftersom det finns duplikat på engelska wikipedia. De är märkta för radering, men de är återhållsam med det, eftersom enwp inte litar på commons (med rätta). Duplikaten på enwp har inga kategorier.
Bildsidorna på commons anger bara waar bilden används på commons. Om du vill kolla i vilka artiklar den används, kan du klicka på "check usage" (en tabb högt upp på sidan, ovanför bilden). Hoppas att det hjälper. /Pieter Kuiper (talk) 23:34, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
Ja tack! Det är likadant med bilder som jag aldrig laddade upp på EnW bara på Commons, konstigt nog. EmilEikS (talk) 19:37, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
Kategorilänk är fixat. Ja, det har du rätt i, det ut på samma sätt för bilder som inte är uppladdade till Commons. /Pieter Kuiper (talk) 19:57, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
PS Jag har inte kunnat lista ut hur jag tar mig från Commons till EnW eller SvW direkt. Måste jag verkligen stänga ner helt och börja om varje gång? DS EmilEikS (talk) 19:46, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
Nej, man behöver inte stänga. Jag har en browser (Firefox) som kan ha flera fönster öppet bredvid varandra. /Pieter Kuiper (talk) 19:57, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
Tack för hjälpen med länken! Ang bildernas dubbla info menade jag att framhålla att de bilder som jag bara har uppladdat på Commons oxå har den här konstiga dubbleringen, en sida utan artikellänk men med kat, och en sida med artikellänk utan kat. Ang browser är det som du som jag har hållit på. Tänkte att det kanske fanns något sätt att switcha internt inom fundationens sidor. M b h EmilEikS (talk) 01:03, 13 November 2008 (UTC) Du har fixat det sistnämnda genom kategorilänken på min sida! EmilEikS (talk) 06:23, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
Jag vet inte precis vad du menar. Om du tittar på en:Image:Wild Side Story 2001 Logo.jpg, finns det en länk "its description page" på commons, och så kommer man hit igen. Något annat: jag tänkte, du kan göra här en sida Wild Side Story med gallerier av dessa bilder. /Pieter Kuiper (talk) 17:30, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
Kul idé med galleri. Ska försöka mig på det sedan. Ang. bildsidorna, så här menar jag: Gå in på artikeln Dustin Hoffman på EnW eller SvW. Till dessa artiklar laddade jag 10/11 upp en bild på Commons aldrig någon annan stans, och satte upp den på de där sidorna. Om du klickar på bilden kommer du till en "falsk"(?) bildsida där det anges allt om bilden och vilken artikel bilden länkar till men inget om kategorien på Commons. Om du tittar så noga att du råkar se det i en av flertalet olika rutor hittar du en länk där du kan gå vidare till sida nr 2 ("riktiga"??) på Commons där kategorilänken finns, men inget om att bilden finns med i någon artikel. Hoppas jag förklarat så att du förstår denna gång. Det verkar väldigt krångligt och blir väl lätt missvisande. EmilEikS (talk) 22:55, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
Det stämmer, på sv:Bild:Dustin Hoffman 1989.jpg finns en länk till "filens beskrivningssida" som länker vidare till filen på commons. Jag vet inte varför den "falska" sidan finns som mellansteg, det bara är så. /Pieter Kuiper (talk) 23:02, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
Märkligt va? Snälla, vill du gå in på SvW art Mattias Klum och yttra dig vad du tycker på diskussionen? Vet inte vad jag ska tycka. Behöver hjälp med tyckandet i detta fall. EmilEikS (talk) 10:11, 14 November 2008 (UTC) Nu ska jag försöka länka dit sv:Mattias Klum - oj, det funkade! Jag lär mig så mycket av dig att du får börja skicka faktura snart DS EmilEikS (talk) 10:13, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

Rydén Deletion(?)[edit]

Hello again! Pls see en:Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Folke Rydén. Thought you might want to comment? Also have asked another teentzy-weentzy question at discussion sv:Mattias Klum. Still feel unsure there. EmilEikS (talk) 03:01, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

I have almost stopped contributing to English wikipedia. They keep biographical articles of people that never existed. I am not going to vote on the deletion request, but I left a comment on en:Talk:Folke Rydén. /Pieter Kuiper (talk) 08:19, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
Thanx! I could use some constructive input on Discussion at en:Mae West. Feel sorry for that gal that tried to help and only got insulted. EmilEikS (talk) 14:59, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

Deletion of Flugan[edit]

There is no reason to delete this picture of a stamp from Wikimedia Commons. The stamp is not an original picture, but a reproduction of a known photo. This photo is already uploaded since 2004 on English Wikipedia as Flugan.jpg and at Wikimedia Commons as flugan.jpg. The photo was taken around 1902-1903 by an unknown photographer. According to Swedish law such a photo is free if taken before 1944.

Unfortunately I observe that the photo has already been deleted, which due to my opinion has been done in an unnecessary rush. You cannot expect people to watch notifications on their wiki pages within such limited timespan.

OK, this is about Commons:Deletion requests/Image:Flugan stamp.JPG. Yes, it was closed in three days by an administrator, I am not responsible for that, and I have critisized administrators for leaving too little time for discussion. As to the image, it is a 1984 stamp, a derivative work, but not free, certainly not GFDL, see Category talk:Stamps of Sweden. You can request undeletion, but chance of success is minimal. /Pieter Kuiper (talk) 13:36, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

Hjääälp med vandalism![edit]

Hej Pieter! Se en:Jacob Truedson Demitz och en:Wild Side Story idag! Trots din allergi mot EnW så behöver jag input och hjälp där. Kan du ta bort mallarna åtminstone på Demitz där de uppenbarligen är vandalism? M b h EmilEikS (talk) 10:01, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

Ja, det var överdrivet mycket mallar. Men det finns ett problem, att en hel del information i artikeln om Jacob Truedson Dmitz går tillbaka på din personliga kännedom. Det andra problemet är i princip mindre stort men som ger problem med verifierbarhet, att källorna är från innan internet-tiden. Jag har tillgång till två tidningsdatabaser som går några år längre tillbaka än vad som finns på nätet, och jag kan inte hitta så mycket. Några insändare som han skrivit, om svensk engelska och om "Sankta" Birgitta. "Wild Side Story" får många träffor pga att den finns med i nöjeskalendrar. Två notiser augusti 1997 om stöld av scenkläder. En artikel 21 juli 1997 av Eva Norlén. Artikel i Göteborgs-Posten 1996. Innan dess är det slut med internetkällor, och då tror man på wikipedia att det inte finns något. Jag ska se vad jag kan göra. /Pieter Kuiper (talk) 11:09, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
Stort tack! Kanske vi klarar oss nu eller tror du att det finns stor risk att det dyker upp mer sådant här otäckt? Då vägar man ju aldrig tala om för någon att dessa artiklar finns upplagda för man vet aldrig hur de ser ut när någon intresserad går in och kollar. Det finns betydligt fler referenser om Demitz, varav nästan alla finns med under artikeln en:Wild Side Story. Om jag förklarar det på Discussion på hans sida och tar bort den återstående (jävligt pinsamma) mallen, tror du jag får bassning? Ska jag göra om referenserna till en onumrerad lista istället och sätta vad de gäller i parentes efter varje post på listan? Alla tidningar finns ju på lokala och nationella bibliotek som man kan kolla om man vill. Därför kan man väl utgå ifrån att ingen vågar båga om sådant. Jag har ju originalurklippen här i arkivet för alltihopa. Jag har sett allt jag behövt i de förut omnämnda arkiven för att kunna bygga upp de nya artiklar jag satt in (på EnW är det bara 9 st totalt), att jag sedan fått intervjua Demitz, Schollin, Hilary och några fler syns det verkligen så tydligt i texten? TACK i vart fall! Tycker du jag ska tacka admin Garion96 oxå eller verkar det bara vara ett onödigt fjäskande när han/hon eg. bara gör sitt jobb? Två andra admin. svarade inte alls. En fjärde gav upp efter ett inlägg av den där Wildharstnvnvuhvruihvc vad hon nu heter. Det var många frågor du fick. Förlåt! EmilEikS (talk) 16:07, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
Jag svarar bara kort nu, men ta inte själv bort mallen, sådant provocerar. Jag ska ta fram lite mer från databaserna, och sedan ska jag ta bort den, i helgen. /Pieter Kuiper (talk) 16:21, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
Härligt! Vad jag har syndat lite med är att Demitz sa till mig att inte skriva så mycket om honom utan mest om showerna och om dem som var med i dem. Jag tyckte att det var mycket notabelt om honom som skulle med och att det fanns tillräckligt källmaterial för det som jag tog med. Som jag skrev förut fick jag skriva om denne gentleman på EnW men inte på SvW, bara de 15 nya artiklarna där om andra personer (som alla verkar ha klarat sig!). Får se om någon vänlig själ gör en liten artikel om Demitz på SvW så småningom med det väsentligaste. Yours as ever EmilEikS (talk) 16:29, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
Jag har nu tagit bort mallen samt ett stycke utan källor, som också skulle vara omöjligt att verifiera. Jag har letat lite i PressText, och hittade en artikel i DN från 1993 om Mae West-middagen och en notis om en inställd gala-föreställning. Men jag såg också något i Expressen från 2000 om timeshare. /Pieter Kuiper (talk) 17:50, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
Man tackar igen! Fantastiskt vad du kan hitta. Demitz var bäste försäljare på Palm Oasis på GranCan 1999-2000 (vistelsen framgår i WSS artikeln) och smutskastades ordentligt i bl a Expressen av en av alla de journalister som togs väl om hand av den nervösa konkurrensen, charterbolagen. Han har berättat för mig om hur kontroversiellt detta var (jag frågade vad han gjorde så länge i Spanien) och framhållit att han har kontakt fortfarande med nöjda timesharekunder från den tiden (hotellet tillhör den väletablerade agenturen Interval International) och att han tyckte den helt ensidiga smutskastningen i media var roande. Med alla pengar han tjänade bjöd han bl a ned hela WSS ensemblen 2 veckor från Sthlm så de fick spela där. EmilEikS (talk) 18:33, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
Vissa är nöjda, andra ångrar sig. Jag har i alla fall lagt till referenserna om Mae West-tillställningarna. /Pieter Kuiper (talk) 20:52, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
Ungefär som med alla andra sorters affärer med andra ord? Mer än så, och att det även funnits charlataner och oseriösa företag, vet inte jag konkret om detta. Men jag tror inte att Demitz har något som han borde skämmas för i det sammanhanget. ~ Please have another look at what is going on at en:Jacob Truedson Demitz. This is excrutiatingly embarassing and makes all the work I have done recently, which I just thought was complete and something to be proud of, feel like foolishness. EmilEikS (talk) 06:30, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
Blev rätt ledsen när jag såg din för ensidiga tolkning och därav färgade ändring i texten hos JTD om inställd "gala". Har ändrat så att det är riktigare nu. Om inte Jacob Truedson Demitz vore så generös som han är skulle P D inte ha fått några bilder av Southerly Clubs. Med mera med mera med mera under årens gång. Tackam om du vill fortsätta vara objektiv, även om du eller bekanta kanske har råkat ut för oskysta time-share-folk, vilket jag i så fall beklagar. EmilEikS (talk) 09:25, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
Jag har väl inte tolkat något? Jag bara såg en notis om att Mae West galaföreställningen hade blivit inställd på dagen för premiären på grund av att för få sålda biljetter. Jag lade till tidningsnotisen i artikeln för att styrka "notability". Och jag har inget med timeshare att göra, det var något som poppade då jag sökte i tidningar. /Pieter Kuiper (talk) 10:27, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
Förlåt Pieter om jag tog i, men jag blev riktigt ledsen först, och har nu först sett ditt fina inlägg. Hu då vad jobbig han/hon är Loca! Nu har jag satt dit en massa citat och bett nästan underdånigt att han/hon ska ta bort mallen (man mår rätt illa i magen). Jag har lagt till time-share-tjosan också och ber dig sätta dit referensen du hittade från Expressen om och när du har tid och lust. Här även satt tillbaka språkkunnigheten igen eftersom den finns med i ett av citaten. Demitz varnade mig faktiskt att inte sätta ut nykterheten. "Det blir folk bara arga på" sa han då. Och så har du rätt i att inget om den saken finns med i någon tidning vad jag vet. EmilEikS (talk) 10:33, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
Det är Expressen 6 februari 2000, sida 8 i rese-avdelningen, en artikel av Lasse Olson med rubriken "Stanken allt värre kring timeshare". Demetz-Truedson (sic) nämns i en läsarredaktion av en "Göran". Jag skulle inte ta med uppgiften, eftersom den är svårt att värdera. Kommerciella aktiviteter bidrar inte mycket till "notability". /Pieter Kuiper (talk) 11:03, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

Börjar om på vä marg. Tack! Vilken kul rubrik! Nästan synd att inte ta med den. Ungefär som Demitz beskrev, en "hätsk" propaganda. Läget har ljusnat betydligt på sidan, by the way. Best to you as ever, sir! EmilEikS (talk) 12:39, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

My RfA[edit]

Thank you very much for supporting my RfA. I'm really honored to have gotten unanimous support and I hope I can live up to everyone expectations! Please don't hesitate to let me know if you need anything. I know we have disagreed a number of times in DR, but do really appreciate your point of view in those discussions. --J.smith (talk) 19:24, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

We have also agreed, and in cases where you already expressed an opinion in a DR with which I agreed, there was little reason for me to write something. /Pieter Kuiper (talk) 20:06, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
I'll take that as a compliment. :) --J.smith (talk) 20:15, 21 November 2008 (UTC)


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Teofilo (talk) 11:29, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

I Quit English Wikipedia[edit]

F Y I: [2]. EmilEikS (talk) 12:08, 1 December 2008 (UTC)


Please, there is enough canvassing already. That post is not helpful.  — Mike.lifeguard | @en.wb 21:56, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

That was not canvassing. I think it is a valid matter for the village pump, that is where I saw it. On commons, it is difficult to know where discussions on administrator elections are taking place. And that is for people actually participating on this site. But this also affects wikipedias. /Pieter Kuiper (talk) 22:02, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

Hi Pieter,
I recommend to immediately remove the username to realname association you just made on the Village pump. I know you've good intention, but that is not o.k. You may also remove this comment (I consent to that). --Túrelio (talk) 09:43, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

Bäste Pieter - se den här killens inputt på File:FUSIA_Spain_Tour_2.jpg Tack! EmilEikS (talk) 23:02, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
Det har redan löst sig ser jag. Bra! /Pieter Kuiper (talk) 23:14, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

New La Rue![edit]

Hej Pieter! Jag håller nu på i dagarna/nätterna och laddar upp resten av de bilder jag får ta av Southerly Clubs' arkivmaterial på mer eller mindre känt folk i dåtid, nutid och förutsägbar framtid. Det kan bli totalt runt 300 i den fina kategorien du skapat åt oss. TACK igen! Har replejsat den svartvita bilden på Danny La Rue med en bättre i färg, men jag kan inte få den nya versionen att funka i hans artikel på EnW. Kan du göra ett försök? Vet inte vad jag gör för fel just denna gång. M b h EmilEikS (talk) 16:21, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

Jag ser. Problemet är att en:File:Danny La Rue.jpg verkligen finns sedan tidigare, och att den inte har raderats än. Antingen måste du be någon på enwp att radera den (för det är ju en tydlig förbättring), eller så laddar du upp färgversionen också på enwp. 300 bilder, vad bra! /Pieter Kuiper (talk) 16:51, 13 December 2008 (UTC)
Nu är alla bilderna uppladdade! Pjooh! Det är kul att språka med dig igen lite. Snälle Pieter, jag kan alltså inte göra något åt detta utan att logga in där och det vill jag absolut inte (aldrig mer) för då börjar de där jackalerna förfölja mig igen (förmodligen grälsjuka fyllekäringar allstå helt hopplöst). Kannnnnnn inte du vara snäll och bara ladda upp färgbilden på EnW? A new La Rue for you to do. Fina rim va? Som att åka tåg nästan. EmilEikS (talk) 03:10, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
Gjort (och nu får man hoppas att inte någon återställer...) Jag tittade också genom Southerly kategorin: vad den vuxit! Mycket jobb som du har lagt på det. Nationella dräkten var ju stilig. Och alla dessa kläder från 70-talet, alla dessa olika människorna - väldigt trevligt att bläddra igenom. Tidningsurklippet kan någon här komma att anmäla för radering (pga texten), men sådant får man då ta. Hälsningar, /Pieter Kuiper (talk) 08:24, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
Tack för hjälpen och dina glada tillrop! Har skrivit på deras discussion redan vid uppladdningen av båda urklippen att jag epostat till Howard Cheng och frågat om de är OK eller ej, men har inte fått svar än. Best as ever ~ EmilEikS (talk) 14:15, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

Dutch, concerning vG.[edit]

Hi Pieter,

my 'Dutch' being =~0.231, I please ask you for help: nl:Lijst van rijksmusea in Nederland seems to say that there are lots of museums which are actually "run" by "the rijk", but "THE Rijksmuseum" is the one in Amsterdam. Right?

When doing cleanup in Category:Vincent van Gogh, I stumble every now-and-then over Yorck project, which most times, or maybe even always, calls Otterlo's Kröller-Müller M. "Rijksmuseum Kröller-Müller".


  1. Would there be anything wrong to omit the R~ in this case? (I'm going to design new descriptions of all relevant vG items. See, as a recent example, File:Vincent_van_Gogh_-_Sorrow.jpg )
  2. What would be the most appropriate term for the Amsterdam's Rijksmuseum (which holds a few vG's, too.)???

Thanks for your expected help. Best, Wolfgang 17:41, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

BTW: Any feedback in Category talk:Vincent van Gogh and Template_talk:Painting would be most welcome. Tell any friends-of-wikipedia.

Hi Wolfgang. "Rijksmuseum Kröller-Müller" is indeed surprising, few people would use that. I would have said "Museum Kröller-Müller", but it has been almost 20 years since I left Holland, and it seems that current usage is "nl:Kröller-Müller Museum". For the Rijksmuseum, I may also be out of touch, but I would go with "en:Rijksmuseum Amsterdam". /Pieter Kuiper (talk) 17:57, 13 December 2008 (UTC)
Agree on KMM. There really seems to be no other/better term for "Rijksmuseum/Amsterdam"? Wolfgang 18:06, 13 December 2008 (UTC)
"Rijksmuseum" would be fine too, but maybe not quite as clear. For that is how presents itself. /Pieter Kuiper (talk) 18:44, 13 December 2008 (UTC)
Thanks. [Had a few hours of real life, today and last evening --therefore answering somewhat later than usually ;] Wolfgang 12:22, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

Hallo Pieter, toevallig zie ik deze pagina. Kröller-Müller is sinds 1994 geen Rijksmuseum meer en heet officiëel Stichting KMM met als roepnaam: category:Kröller-Müller Museum. Ik houd mij al een jaar bezig met het beeldenpark en zag tot mijn verbijstering, dat Europa's beste beeldenpark geen artikel heeft op de Zweedse wikipedia, overigens KMM ook niet ??? Groetend vanuit Groningen,--Gerardus (talk) 15:55, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

@Gerardus: Do I (nl=0.2...) understand right, that you passed by this page "by chance", and that KMM isn't a "Rijksmuseum" since 1994? I, for myself, do not especially care about articles in Swedish WP, as I do not understand their language at all ;]] Greetings to Groningen, from Vienna. Wolfgang 16:37, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
Though state owned collections, both the Van Gogh Museum, Amsterdam and the Kröller-Müller Museum, Otterlo are former-Rijksmuseums since 1994. --Gerardus (talk) 17:35, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
Thanks. In this case, it would be desirable to update nl:Lijst_van_rijksmusea_in_Nederland on this (I won't, for lack of language and specific knowledge ;) Wolfgang 04:00, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
I think that is clear from the text, that all of these museums (also the Rijksmuseum) changed status. They are not public authorities anymore, but foundations or corporations. /Pieter Kuiper (talk) 07:46, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
I see (to me, it was not, and that is why I started this talk). eod on thisone, for me. Best, Wolfgang 09:56, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
PS: Have a look at User talk:W./Van Gogh by date and location (introduction, "Boy with a sickle", "Potato Eaters" and "Starry Night Over the Rhone" as examples. What do you think about that? I mean, compare such to Vincent van Gogh#Potato / Pommes de terre / Aardappelen /Kartoffel, "Potato Eaters", or, even worse, the descriptions of "Starry Night Over the Rhone" with same in "my way" ;). In case you support, or even if you disagree, let's talk on COM:VP wher Lupo recently put in question my linking from Museum templates to national wikis. See COM:VP#tl.7CX-Museum. Wolfgang 09:56, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
I had a look, and I do not have strong opinions either one way or the other. But I think it would be better if you had your design of the gallery as a user page, so that one could comment on the its talk page. /Pieter Kuiper (talk) 10:39, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
First: Thanks.
Second: User talk:W./Van Gogh by date and location is a user page, and can be commented.
Third: I for sure will not waist my spare lifetime in "repeating" some gallery with obvious shortcomings (by trying to slightly improve) which, from its structure, feels pretty useless to me. Sorry to say so. Wolfgang 16:09, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
@Gerardus: Ik geef de voorkeur aan Lousiana. Ok, guests are coming in - rush. /Pieter Kuiper (talk) 16:40, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
@Pieter: laat ik zeggen qua ambiance gelijkwaardig. Maar bij het KMM is de laatste 20 jaar wel iets veranderd. Groetend--Gerardus (talk) 17:35, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

Se din svenska...[edit]

diskussionssida där jag skrivit lite till dig. EmilEikS (talk) 11:29, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

Subkategori felaktigt gjord[edit]

Hej Pieter! Hoppas allt är väl med dig inför julhelgerna. Se [3]. Jag är tillbaka här på Commons några dagar för att försökta få lite smått och gott gjort. Började med detta totala misslyckande. Instruktionerna väldigt förvirrande.

Category:Jacob Truedson Demitz ska vara subcategory till Category:Southerly Clubs Image Archives, inte tvärtom som det blir vad jag än försöker med. Går det överhuvudtaget att fixa utan admin hjälp? EmilEikS (talk) 01:05, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

Du kan sätta en {{radera}} i kategorier som är misstag. God JUL! (måste åka nu). /Pieter Kuiper (talk) 06:08, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

Christmas SPAM.[edit]

Hi, I'm aware that Christmas greetings are more-or-less to be considered to be SPAM, but I can't help:
Here is one more, which is from me.
Although I might have [and might in the future] disagree with you, I'd like to ascertain you that I respect and love you. Believe it or not. [w.] 16:53, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

Merry Christmas! Thank you for the sweet postcard! And I appreciate your work with the Van Gogh collection. /Pieter Kuiper (talk) 20:37, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the Christmas review![edit]

Rayon de soleil et hirondelle 2.jpg

Hi Pieter Kuiper/Archive2008. I would like to thank you for the interest you have shown in my request for adminship, and for the time you have taken to review my profile. As a Christmas present I've just been given the admin tools, for which I'm thankful as well. I have understood all the remarks that have been made during the review period. I will take them into account and begin using the tools with much care, until I gain more experience and self-confidence. Thanks again, and Merry Christmas! --Eusebius (talk) 15:12, 25 December 2008 (UTC)

Ah, it has already been decided. I had just thought that I should support you adminship, in view of your recent activity in deletion requests. Good luck with the awfull backlog! /Pieter Kuiper (talk) 18:21, 25 December 2008 (UTC)
Thanks then! --Eusebius (talk) 19:29, 25 December 2008 (UTC)


You said "After those letters to the NY Times, etc, this whole issue seems not so relevant." -- could you clarify what you meant there? Thanks.  — Mike.lifeguard | @en.wb 06:29, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

I wrote that in this edit, where I also crossed out my vote to unblock. In my eyes, those letters to the NY Times are much worse than confrontational comments to admins. Mutter Erde is now really trying to damage the project. Aleady on December 22. /Pieter Kuiper (talk) 07:41, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

cat review[edit]


While patrolling the recent changes I see you do a lot of cat reviews. Can you please tell me how you do that and do you need help? Maybe if I understand it, and can do it correctly I can help.

With kind regards, Abigor talk 21:14, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

I am going through Category:Media needing category review in use at sv.wikipedia, and I am for now only looking at images that are not persons. (I feel that each person should have its own category, maybe a bot could help with that.) Often the categories supplied by the bot are quite good, and then I choose the most specific category listed, deleting the rest. In other cases it is a bit of a puzzle. I often look at the link to the article on Swedish wikipedia to see what the image is about, and then I try to find adequate categories. So choose your own language, and it will help everybody. /Pieter Kuiper (talk) 21:23, 30 December 2008 (UTC)