User talk:Pigsonthewing/Archive 1

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Plane crash into Hudson River[edit]

Re File:Plane crash into Hudson River.jpg

Hi Andy. Please note that files should be in the most appropriate sub category. In this case the image will already be under Aviation via Category:US Airways Flight 1549. Adambro (talk) 23:57, 15 January 2009 (UTC)


adding cats to templates[edit]

If you are going to add categories to templates, please understand that you must place them inside <noinclude> tags. Otherwise, all pages using the template are placed in that category. I don't think it was your intention to place a couple hundred image and category pages that use template:places by decade into the templates generating hCalendar cateogry. -J JMesserly (talk) 19:40, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

Indeed it wasn't; but it seems to be 'Hotcat' which is at fault. Andy Mabbett (talk) 19:41, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
I differ. It is the author's responsibility to verify the edits they are making are correct- particularly to templates used by large numbers of pages. It is especially hazardous to assume that a tool designed for tagging data will work faultlessly on code. Not bothering to test changes to code is precisely why there are so many buggy programs around. -J JMesserly (talk) 23:17, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
Were I responsible for WikiMedia's code, you might be right. Andy Mabbett (talk) 00:03, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
Andy, take a little responsibility for your actions. You have edited templates twice today, and broken them twice. You are zero for two. -J JMesserly (talk) 01:27, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
Your claims are fallacious. Andy Mabbett (talk) 01:32, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
No, they aren't. Your code generated random text around the calendar icon. If you don't believe me, make your own copy of the templates and see for yourself.
Please accept my apology for accidently deleting your comment. I was attempting to merge our edits that were submitted at the same time. I only saw your edit of a typo of->Of, and didn't see your response below. Sorry. -J JMesserly (talk) 01:54, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

Let's not have an Edit war[edit]

I propose you take your case to an independent microformats body for arbitration. Really, if you want to promote your way of doing things, you are free to create your own templates that do it the way you think is correct, and promote that way on Commons. -J JMesserly (talk) 02:17, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

Sure; as soon as you show me the Commons policies requiring an "independent body" to arbitrate and that we have "our own" templates. Andy Mabbett (talk) 02:20, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
I don't understand why you don't just fork the code and do what you want on a different template. You assert that I am perpetrating some harm to the community, based on an argument that is highly esoteric. It is reasonable to have the question arbitrated by a community knowledgeable of the issues. -J JMesserly (talk) 02:33, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
Nothing that I have said is based on an "esoteric" argument. This wiki, like most others, is predicated on multiple editors working on shared resources; but I have provided concrete evidence of the bogus metadata which you are adding to real, live articles. I have no desire to have "my own" template; I'm trying to fix the live, publicly visible bugs in Wikimedia Commons' template. If you wish to involve "a community knowledgeable of the issues", please do so; but do not persist in the misapprehension that you can require me to. Andy Mabbett (talk) 02:41, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
You want the template not to interoperate with Google and Yahoo maps. If you have an argument on how that is perpetuating some harm on Commons, you are free to make it. Until then, please desist from removing functionality from the Places by decade templates. -J JMesserly (talk) 02:45, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
I want nothing of the kind. I simply want the template not to emit broken and bogus metadata; I have already made clear the harm you are doing Andy Mabbett (talk) 02:53, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
Fine. This is a harm that you think justifies removing functionality. Every vandal has a justification. I tell you what, just don't revert this for a while so I can get some work done. I can't test my work with your so called fix. -J JMesserly (talk) 03:13, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

Moving forward in a productive fashion[edit]

Hi Andy/Pigsonthewing,

I just wanted to leave you a short comment on your reply to my note on your interaction with User:J JMesserly.

I think J JMesserly has realised that he was way too abrupt with you in his description of your initial edits of the template. On Template talk:Places by decade he has shown some patience and certainly displayed an ability to respond to questions with detailed answers. I think the two of you can certainly move forward on this without rubbing each other the right way.

For that to happen, there will have to be co-operation on both sides. Don't agitate or bite back but try to bring constructive comments to the discussion. Please propose improvements rather than removing work in progress. Watch your wording and remember: being right doesn't make your behaviour right, and there might be other valid points of view.

In some of your comments I got the feeling that you weren't quite understanding where your counterpart in the discussion was coming from. It's always a good advice to step into other people's shoes for a while and try to see things their way. You don't have to agree with them, but you should be clear that you're doing an effort to understand where they're coming from.

Take care,
--Swift (talk) 06:23, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

Category:Templates generating hCards[edit]

Andy, you seem to be an hCards expert around here, so I have a question. Could you look in Category:Templates generating hCards? It has dozen of photographer categories which I have created, but those are categories not templates so why are they in the template category? Am I misusing {{Photographer}} template somehow or is it that this template adds some wrong categories? --Jarekt (talk) 19:41, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

That seems to have been fixed already. Andy Mabbett (talk) 22:14, 7 March 2009 (UTC)