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Так в чём же была идея далёкого прошлого?[edit]

Есть общеизвестные вещи (предметы, растения и животные, ситуации и действия), которые постоянны или незначительно-изменчивы и их описание является лишь повторяемостью (или заимствованием с незначительными вариациями изменений и дополнений), что, при переписывании, вызывает лишь потерю времени и не создаёт возможности в продвижении к новому. А почему бы ни создать банк данных (к примеру -- из студенческих курсовых работ) с описанием этих предметов и действий, не давая повторять написанное ранее, но с возможностью дополнять новыми данными и событиями, уточняя и двигаясь к новым темам, создавая новые направления статей и тем самым пополняя знания.

Давайте разберём один из примерных вариантов таких статей, разделы которых также можно дополнить.

Животное или растение:

  • название;
  • латынь и иные названия (в том числе и иностранные);
  • дата описания или обнаружения в природе не столь важна, если это не искусственно созданное или выведенное;
  • возможна запись автора систематики, но к чему? с тех времён и до сего времени вид существовал и дополняется новыми данными исследователей;
  • описание внешнего вида (фото);
  • описание поведения и/или сезонных изменений (особенности, видео/аудио записи);
  • описание среды обитания/произрастания;
  • сырьё, полезные качества, физический и химический состав;
  • использование...

Природное явление или физическое проявление также "разложить по полочкам". Но здесь необходимы и некоторые разграничения. К примеру, для не совсем понятных явлений, указать мнения и известные гипотезы из различных областей знаний -- физиков, химиков, биологов, философов, не исключая и фольклёра. Исключать вмешательств и спора специалистов одного направления в разделы иного направления в науке, давая возможность читателю сравнить все варианты описываемых исследований самостоятельно, которые будут дополняться новыми данными и, со временем, исключая разногласия, сомнения и недоверия при появлении новых данных статьи. Если существуют сомнения и недоверие одного направления в науке к другому, то всё это будет видно из разделов статей с теориями, доказательствами и гипотезами. Мы не можем утверждать есть это или нет, а основываемся лишь на известных и описанных ранее данных "за" или "против". Возможна и критика в самих разделах. К примеру -- "описание явления" и критика с конкретикой в словах (Кирлиан фотографии с "аурой" и конкретные вопросы, демонстрирующие оплошность исследователей), благодаря чему и уточнятся факты более точными правками в статьях.

Исключить нагромождение предупреждающих шаблонов. Лишь текст и иллюстрации в виде фотографий, звуковых и видео файлов, графиков и чертежей -- наглядного материала.


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Image:Alexandroffs v7p68.jpg[edit]

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This is an automated message from DRBot. (Stop bugging me!) 09:55, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

Your mania User:Jeff G.[edit]

It is a part of work of the author and the part of personal family archive, and also my personal collection. According to copyrights to all these works the instructions a name of the author which are specified are required. GNU is GNU, but each work has the author (even not known inhabitant of a planet the Earth, but he was or is).

Dear Friends, I ask to pay attention to constant harassments and spy-mania, copiright-mania and PR-mania against me and my works from User:Jeff G.. I understand, that the specified participant of our community (User:Jeff G.) very much loves me and "roughly breathes" because of me, hinting at a number of "gay photos" (his reproach was transferred to archive) which are not present and never was, but so is simple to him I will not be given.)) Any of my works does not break and did not break whose copyrights and is loaded here for articles of various language sections 'Wiki/s', and not just for the English version. Please, people, take care of User:Jeff G. and occupy him with something another and more useful, that he would not prevent to work. --Pogrebnoj-Alexandroff 13:26, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

Image:Alexandroffs_v7p68.jpg[edit]

Please don't remove delete tags from images. If you'd like to say why the the image should be kept, please comment at Commons:Deletion_requests/Image:Alexandroffs_v7p68.jpg. I restored the delete tag and protected Image:Alexandroffs_v7p68.jpg for one week. Walter Siegmund (talk) 17:33, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

All these works are intended for Russian "ВикипедиЯ" in articles about history and heraldry. --Pogrebnoj-Alexandroff 19:03, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

Interaction with other users[edit]

Please assume good faith by other editors and comment on their actions, not their motives or characters. You are welcome to point out actions by others that conflict with Commons guidelines and policies, however. You may find Commons:Deletion guidelines particularly helpful. Walter Siegmund (talk) 17:59, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

You have only two directions to way - or remove all of my works, illustrations and photos and to lose qualitative illustrations to articles or to leave all in an invariable kind. Otherwise you enter the conflict to the Law and break my copyrights. Also, this project is my idea and you can remove it completely all too. --Pogrebnoj-Alexandroff 19:08, 3 October 2007 (UTC)


Image:Alexandrowi_hrabiow_vp1p5.jpg[edit]

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  — Jeff G. (talk|contribs) 19:11, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

  • All these works are intended for Russian "ВикипедиЯ" in articles about history and heraldry. --Pogrebnoj-Alexandroff 19:03, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

Image:Alexandrowi hrabiow vp1p5.jpg[edit]

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  — Jeff G. (talk|contribs) 19:14, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

  • All these works are intended for Russian "ВикипедиЯ" in articles about history and heraldry. --Pogrebnoj-Alexandroff 19:03, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

Image:Alexandrowich_v8p138.jpg[edit]

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  — Jeff G. (talk|contribs) 19:17, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

  • All these works are intended for Russian "ВикипедиЯ" in articles about history and heraldry. --Pogrebnoj-Alexandroff 19:03, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

Image:Alexandrowich v8p138.jpg[edit]

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  — Jeff G. (talk|contribs) 19:19, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

  • All these works are intended for Russian "ВикипедиЯ" in articles about history and heraldry. --Pogrebnoj-Alexandroff 19:03, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

Copy from User talk:Wsiegmund Re: Pogrebnoj-Alexandroff (talk · contribs)[edit]

Frankly, hard case. COAs could be drown by hand then scanned, from other side Polish users made many COAs in SVG. Usual photos (birds, vegetables) are made with same camera (where EXIF info present), but always in small resolution. I'll ask help of admins who know this user more from RU:WP. --EugeneZelenko 14:27, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for having a look. Your comments are appreciated. Walter Siegmund (talk) 14:46, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
User:Putnik told that Pogrebnoj-Alexandroff had regular problems with copyrights on RU:WP, so this person could not be trusted. His images may be mix of own/copyvios. Putnik suggest to delete all of them for safety, but review of all Pogrebnoj-Alexandroff' contributions are option too. --EugeneZelenko 13:57, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
Pogrebnoj-Alexandroff has 253 image uploads (http://tools.wikimedia.de/~interiot/cgi-bin/count_edits?dbname=commonswiki_p&user=Pogrebnoj-Alexandroff). That is a task that is beyond my experience and skill to handle, I think. It doesn't help that I don't know Russian. Would you consider taking it on? Best wishes, Walter Siegmund (talk) 17:08, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

1. Not 'scanned, from other side Polish users '!!! But from personal archives -- yes.

2. GNU is not for all works and I define what to give for GNU and that is not present - you of it to impose to me do not awake!

3. For the best resolution it is necessary to pay and it is not obligatory money.

4. I haven't problems with copyrights.)))) All of it's -- my work -- not yours.

5. You, EugeneZelenko and Putnik could not be trusted. You protect and someone's lie thus! And it is the truth on 100 %!

And also more, to all who hides, that Wikiprojects Pogrebnoj-Alexandroff's idea (and it can be regarded as larceny!) is impossible to trust. Besides, these people are afraid of Pogrebnoj-Alexandroff for the truth and criticism of their policy with constant lies. According to the above-stated reasons these people also pursue him constantly, being afraid of the truth. --Pogrebnoj-Alexandroff 19:37, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

Aleksey, those deletion requests may seem rude to you but actually this is usual behaviour. Nothing personal: what we are trying to find out is "who is the copyright holder of those coats of arms". We are not interested by the author of the scan (you) but by the author of the drawing. Moreover, we want to know the source, that is: what book (precise ref.) did you scan? It seems to me that the book is "Heraldics of Alexandrowicz" but there is no trace of it on Internet according to Google. Is this book in stores? Is this an old book? How old?
Now, back to the first question, the most important one: did you draw (not scan) those coats of arms? If not: who drew them? when? and have you been given the right, somehow, to reproduce them? That's all that matters here. Thanks. — Xavier, 23:38, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

!!![edit]

  • The Copiright of Author's reconstruction of the family arms on the basis of following literary-historical information sources: "Энциклопедический словарь Брокгауза и Ефрона" (1890—1907 гг) (Brockhaus and Efron Encyclopedic Dictionary); Исторический архив России (Historical archive of Russia); Family archive of Pogrebnoj-Alexandroff and archival inquiries from 15-16 centuries; "Общий гербовник дворянских родов Всероссийской империи" (The General armorial childbirth of the All-Russia empire of noble family (1797-1917)); "Гербовник дворянских родов Царства Польского" (Armorial childbirth of the Kingdom of noble family Polish (18 centuries)) and other materials of public and historical libraries. No part of the image can be removed or changed. --Pogrebnoj-Alexandroff 13:05, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
  • No part of the image can be removed or changed. Who's terms are these? Yours? If so, the material *must* be removed, as they are not free, as required by COM:L. Please elaborate. Cheers! Siebrand 13:25, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

Yes! These are requirements of the author and the Law of the international copyright (including the USA and Russia)COM:L. Besides, the Name of the author should be present at any photo or other author's image at all places where they take places. The images can be used in Wikiprojects without any changes or other should be personally discussed with the author, with reception of the written permission. --Pogrebnoj-Alexandroff 13:36, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

What you quote is standard copyright protection. You forget that you are offering your medias (pictures and drawings) with a licence you have chosen to be "The copyright holder of this file allows anyone to use it for any purpose, provided that the copyright holder is properly attributed. Redistribution, derivative work, commercial use, and all other use is permitted.". If you don't agree that others modify your work, then quickly remove those files from this site because Commons' goal is to host medias that can be freely modified and redistributed, and only those ones. Thanks. — Xavier, 14:26, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
  • You forget, not I'm. I repeat once again:'The images can be used in Wikiprojects and for any other sites or in printing without any changes or other should be personally discussed with the author, with reception of the written permission'[1]. You can impose, demand or threaten nobody of anything! You can ask only, with thanks. And, except everything, any user can load images for a page of the user. Thanks and take care of itself. --Pogrebnoj-Alexandroff 14:40, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
I'll repeat for the last time and I'll not bother you anymore.
  1. What you are saying contradicts the license that is mentionned on the page surrounding each media you deposited here. The link you give to your profile on liveinternet.ru doesn't matter. What matters is the license that _you_ put on _your_ images on _this_ site.
  2. _This_ site does not host non-free content. We respect your license terms but your terms are not compatible with this site (read COM:CLIC#Common license conditions). If those media can not be modified by users, if users must ask you permission for anything related to your media, then your media are not welcome here and you must remove them from this site. Period.
If you do not ask quickly for the deletion of your non-free images, you run the risk to see your images exploited everywhere on the Internet under the free license _you_ have chosen when uploading your content here, not under the conditions you state above. It's your content, it's your risk, not ours. If you chose to be stubborn and persist to say we are wrong and you are right, so be it, the only disappointment will be yours: the more you wait, the more you lose. — Xavier, 15:52, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
  • I am not dead and, also, fund of "Wiki/s" can address to me at any time. Your reference (read COM:CLIC#Common license conditions) about what does not speak and have not clash with the given situation. For you it would be necessary to appreciate and thank with the big apologies for work given to you, instead of to demand inconceivable from authors and the Law! It is not necessary, with rudeness, to stick on rules breaking rights of authors! "_This_ site" -- not-for-profit and must be free. Last question personally for you: - you pursue what personal interest, persistently demanding and trying to force authors to transfer the works without any encouragements? This world is not communist party! --Pogrebnoj-Alexandroff 20:57, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
    • I think you misunderstand. Xavier is trying to help you protect your rights. Please assume good faith. We are authors too. Also, we try to remove material that has an unclear or inappropriate copyright in accordance with the policies and guidelines of Commons. Some of your files have been questioned. Thank you for helping to clarify the sources for some of those files. Walter Siegmund (talk) 14:52, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
  • I see another. Short copied remarks not supported with the Law, and only conjectures - not the help. If someone something does not reach consciousness - address to lawyers. I perfectly realise, that you authors as well as. And for this reason I try to let know to you, that you as authors, do not exist in the given project until your names will be ignored absurd GNU. Also what you confuses in my works? Originality, singularity, quality, conformity to the law which you do not know or similarity? What?! --Pogrebnoj-Alexandroff 15:31, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
Yes, GNU it is free to distribution and without payment, but not anonymously. 
All has the author - idea, work...
Each event in the nature has the name (the wind - blows, the sun - heats, water - gives to drink etc.)

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It is common to respond to an attack by attacking in turn, but it is not helpful. Other editors who read this discussion can see who is behaves well or badly. They are more likely to agree with you if you behave well. You were warned against attacking other editors and subsequently did so above and at User talk:Siebrand. Please stop.[2] Walter Siegmund (talk) 21:22, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
  • Please... please... They must to STOP! I didn't start.)) --Pogrebnoj-Alexandroff 21:57, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
Pogrebnoj-Alex already had his image up for deletion at one time, see Commons:Deletion requests/Pictures of User:Pogrebnoj-Alexandroff, that was closed as a keep. / Fred J 21:18, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
  • 1st, Pogrebnoj-Alexandroff -- not 'Pogrebnoj-Alex'!!! "...look like advertising..." So?! Can't do I work for adds?!)))) Oh, my God!!! Whay that Image:Butterfly.jpg and that Image:Gsn.jpg is not look like advertising? I am talented and very ingenious! "Something which is also a little bit confusing is that picture is taken with a Digimax 420". So, what?! "Why should he take a photo of poorer quality when he also has a DMC-FZ50?" Becouse! Not your busines! You have only 1 camera - I have 10! So?! --Pogrebnoj-Alexandroff 22:07, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
That history is helpful. However, to update the discussion cited, Image:Buttocks.jpg was identified as a copyright violation and closed by me on 27 July 2007.[3] That appears not to have been considered in the deletion request you cite when it was closed on 28 August 2007. Thank you. Walter Siegmund (talk) 21:42, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
  • That history is NOT helpful! Because that is children's delirium!!! Image:Buttocks.jpg was NOT identified as a copyright violation, but was closed. To you can seem anything you like, but you were not present at shootings.))) --Pogrebnoj-Alexandroff 22:13, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

Personal attack[edit]

You have made what I would consider a personal attack[4], e.g., "[y]ou EugeneZelenko and (Putnik) could not be trusted", after being warned not to do so.[5] If you do this again, you will be blocked from editing. I would like to invite you to delete or strike using <s></s> that attack as I have done on my talk page. Walter Siegmund (talk) 20:04, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

I did'n so that changes (if is any).( Sorry.) But that is not my 'personal atteck"! That his personal attack[6] against me!!! You see that. --Pogrebnoj-Alexandroff 20:06, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

Please be civil[edit]

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It seems to me that you are acting in an uncivil manner. Please remain civil and don't resort to making personal attacks or instigate edit wars. Siebrand 20:05, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

Not to forget and have not removed[edit]

...Pogrebnoj-Alexandroff (talk · contribs)...

Спросили моё мнение про легитимность вклада этого участника. Но я в сомнениях - фотографии в подозрительно малом для сегодняшнего времени разрешении, хотя многие из них сделаны одной камерой. Гербы как могут быть нарисованы самостоятельно, так и отсканированы. Может ты можешь что-то сказать исходя из опыта в русской Википедии? Спасибо. --EugeneZelenko 14:32, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

В ру-вики (где он сейчас бессрочно заблокирован) неоднократно были проблемы с нарушением АП данным участником. Думаю, что доверять данному участнику в плане соблюдения им авторских прав нельзя. Во вкладе могут быть вперемешку и свои фотографии, и чужие, выдаваемые за свои. Я бы, от греха подальше, удалил всё. Есть ли смысл что-то оставлять — решайте сами. ~ putnik 17:11, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
Спасибо большое! Пересказал спрашивавшему. Надеюсь, что ничего не исказил :-) --EugeneZelenko 13:59, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
  • Это типичная совковая ложь! никаких нарушений авторского права никогда небыло -- вы мне их приписали, как и многое другое! Фотографии из музея, которые были загружены? Ты сам написал по ICQ: указать -- "источник неизвестен" и вы найдёте его правовые исходники! А теперь меня обвинять?!!! Статью про носорога из источника 18 века?! Так это уже не копиво! А то, что вы дали ссылку на какой-то сайт, якобы "взято оотуда" -- бред!!! Это они взяли из той же энциклопедии 18 века, а не я у них! Вы заблокировали, чтобы не видеть правды, которая писалась и которую многие знали, но пытаются скрыть от общественности. Это, может быть, тебе доверять нельзя после случившегося, а не мне! Таких честных, как я, ещё поискать надо! --Pogrebnoj-Alexandroff 22:41, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

From User Eugene Zelenko[edit]

...I'm writing you because you are a Russian speaking administrator. Pogrebnoj-Alexandroff (talk · contributions · Number of edits) has a history of problems with Wikipedia policies, administrators and other users.[8] Recently Jeff G. (talk · contribs) has left several warning templates on his talk page, but I'm not sure any communication is occurring. Jeff G. speaks English and no Russian. Pogrebnoj-Alexandroff speaks Russian (I think) but is not fluent in English judging from his talk page. Pogrebnoj-Alexandroff came to my attention tonight when a Deletion Request that I closed as a copyright violation and had watchlisted was reopened by Jeff G. A somewhat similar image was reloaded recently under the same name, again by Pogrebnoj-Alexandroff.[9][10] Most of Pogrebnoj-Alexandroff contributions look reasonable to me, but I can't tell if any are copyright violations, e.g., the coats of arms. He seems to be having some trouble with the copyright tags. Lately he has been using both the attribution and CopyrightedFreeUseProvidedThat tags which is redundant and confusing since he adds only his name to the second tag.[11] Anyhow, I'd be grateful if you could take a look. Best wishes, Walter Siegmund (talk) 03:34, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

It looks like my query to you may have been buried in the flurry of activity on my talk page yesterday. You passed on the comment that "Putnik suggest to delete all of them for safety, but review of all Pogrebnoj-Alexandroff' contributions are option too". Thank you for that comment. Pogrebnoj-Alexandroff has 253 image uploads (http://tools.wikimedia.de/~interiot/cgi-bin/count_edits?dbname=commonswiki_p&user=Pogrebnoj-Alexandroff). That is a task that is beyond my experience and skill to handle, I think. It doesn't help that I don't know Russian. Would you consider taking it on? In any case, I wonder if you'd be kind enough to comment at Commons:Deletion requests/Image:Alexandroffs v7p68.jpg. I don't know if Pogrebnoj-Alexandroff's sources are in the public domain and it isn't clear if s/he scanned or redrew the originals. If they are in the public domain, I think the license should be {{PD}}. Thank you, Walter Siegmund (talk) 17:09, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
Commented there. However COAs origins are unclear for me. They could be drown from scratch or be derivative works from scanned PD images or copyrighted modern reconstructions. I lest my comment in deletion request. --EugeneZelenko 14:22, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

Женя, что за персональные наезды?! Не следует утверждать чего-либо если ты в этом не уверен или не знаешь на 100%. Я ни у кого ничего не воровал, как некоторые, и никогда не скрывал авторства, если его знаю (пишу конкретно). Кроме того, ни у каких Поляк я ничего не сканировал! Скажите спасибо, что я предоставляю сюда свой личный архив и свою работу! GNU не совковая обязаловка, и позволь МНЕ решать что загружать, а что нет, и какого качества. За более лучшую работу, которая требует затрат средств и времени, надо платить! (хотя я и имею все свои работы высокого качества, но они ТОЛЬКО на продажу или по договору). Я не раб Википроектов, хотя это и моя идея, и я совершенно свободный, никому не принадлежащий человек. Это при коммунистах было "вперёд, за власть советов". Забудь. (Ах... да! я позапамятовал где ты живёшь. Извини). Но я живу в свободной стране. Если что-то не подходит для статей -- можно удалить. Нет проблем. Но нарушать своих прав и Закон я не позволю. Вот за эту принципиальность некоторые "коммунистические отпрыски" меня и ненавидят. Но это не мои проблемы. --Pogrebnoj-Alexandroff 20:50, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

Во-первых, Вы не могли бы выражать свои мысли более спокойно? Мне не хотелось бы повторно обращать Ваше внимание на просьбы других администраторов на эту тему.
Во-вторых, меня попросили высказать моё мнение о Вашем вкладе, что я и сделал. Надеюсь, это не запрещено?
В-третьих, Вас никто не обвинял в краже чего-либо. Польские участники приводились для примера. Некоторые из них рисуют гербы (в том числе шляхетские) в векторных форматах.
EugeneZelenko 15:57, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
  • Не могу, Женя -- за*бали!)) Вас попросили, но вы-то этого не знаете и сослались на чужие слова, вместо того, что бы сказать правду -- "не знаю", выражая тем самым именно своё мнение. А на счёт "кражи" (ваши слова) вы же и перевели о "нарушении авторских прав", которых никогда небыло. Для того, чтоб это утверждать, надо быть судьёй и хорошо знать Закон об авторском праве. И голословных примеров приводить не следует -- не так понят могут. Я отвечаю только за себя и своё творчество и меня (по большему счёту) не интересует, что делают другие. Извини, если чем-то обидел и за возможные опечатки, тоже. --Pogrebnoj-Alexandroff 21:12, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
Извините, но я высказал своё мнение (которое и сводится к «не знаю»), а также спросил мнения других участников. --EugeneZelenko 14:26, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
  • Да лаааадно уже плакаться и оправдываться перед друг-другом.)) Только ты не учитываешь, что и их мнение может быть предвзято-ложным и основанном на сплетнях. Кроме того, навязывания правил идущих в разрез с Законом чревато плачевными последствиями. Можно украсть любую замечательную (финансово-выгодную) идею и довести её до абсурда, не понимая частностей. Результаты уже начали проявляться здесь и с каждым днём всё активнее. Причины? Ханжеские амбиции детского максимализма и предвзятость отдельных администраторов к живым людям (не говоря уже о мёртвых авторах). --Pogrebnoj-Alexandroff 23:11, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
Moved from User talk:Alex Spade

Спросили моё мнение про легитимность вклада этого участника. Но я в сомнениях - фотографии в подозрительно малом для сегодняшнего времени разрешении, хотя многие из них сделаны одной камерой. Гербы как могут быть нарисованы самостоятельно, так и отсканированы. Может ты можешь что-то сказать исходя из опыта в русской Википедии? Спасибо. --EugeneZelenko 14:32, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

  • Как наверное уже известно, в ру-Вики данный участник и ряд других учётных записей, которые чекъюзеры признали, его сокаппетами, заблокирован за целый ряд нарушений. Насколько данные блокировки и проверки были адекватны на тот момент, мне не очень ясно - тогда я не так ещё вник в проект. Тем не менее в июле 2007 года Арбитражный комитет не снял данные блокировке по иску Википедия:Заявки на арбитраж/О блокировке Погребного и членов его семьи.
    • В дополении необходимо заметить, что участник по-всей видимости продолжает активное участие в ру-вики анонимно через самые различные IP-адреса, по-прежнему неоднократно нарушая правила о недопустимости оскорблений. К числу сомнительных поведений участника следует также присовокупить его желание утвердить себя в качестве изобретателя Википедии, причём он предпочитает это делать через анонимыне правки.
  • Касательно же изображений
  1. У меня нет оснований сомневаться в его авторстве на натуральные фотографии (животные, цветы, города и т.п.)
  2. Гербы (личные) данного участника, что называется в ру-Вики, Very Disputed, не то, чтобы участник не автор (а он действительно не оригинальный автор) или правообладатель, а в их неясном правовом статусе, если гербы российских дворян, созданные до революции 1917 года проходят и как {{PD-old}} и как {{PD-RU-exempt}} (они считались составной частью государственного гербовника), то их пост-1917 модификации - очень проблемные - поэтому без адекватного источника - данные изображения должны быть удалены.
  3. Фотографии его книг - используются данный участником исключительно для своего же промоушена и рекламы - и также подлежат удалению. То же касается большей части его портретов.
Alex Spade 16:41, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

  • Называть свинью свиньёй, скотину скотиной, дурака дураком, юродивого юродивым, еврея евреем и т.д. -- не оскорбление.))) Хотя этого и не присутствовало там, на что ты ссылался,))) и наверное -- зря. Надо было их материть и называть своими именами. Действия с блокировками -- личная месть некоторых "учатников-админов" и попытки сокрыть правду об истинном авторе кое-какой идеи.))) "Фамильные гербы" -- принадлежность их обладателя и автора цветных реконструкций и собственных работ.)))) Фотографии книг и людей -- не "реклама", что пытаются навязать маниакальные завистники, а иллюстрации к статьям и доказательства, без которых их "бред с оскорблениями" обычная вонь в атмосфере. И в чём разница: загрузят фотографии в подтверждение сами авторы или кто-либо ещё (вплоть до "вранья" под псевдо-кличками, называемыми "ник-нэйм")? Или вы пытаетесь и очень желаете учить народ врать и выворачиваться в своей неправде?! Тогда это другое дело. Некоторые, даже здесь "обосрались", удалив правдивые записи. --Pogrebnoj-Alexandroff 17:10, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

Russian saying:[edit]

Everyone judges others by himself. (Comparing with itself)
  • Do not to judge others and you will not to be judged too. [12]

Image:P1000034.jpg[edit]

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  • Cool! I hotly kiss you (in deserted caves). Why "Orphaned own photo"?)))))))) the image has, intended for this illustration, a place.))) you could not find any more - why only one? --Pogrebnoj-Alexandroff 18:47, 7 October 2007 (UTC)


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Warning[edit]

Commons is for uploading useful, free images for use on Wikimedia projects. That's all we do. If you're not doing that, and continue treating other contributors in an uncivil manner, you will be blocked, indefinitely, by me. --SB_Johnny | PA! 15:18, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

  • You can do that you want to do and can do -- your lawful human right. My work here is free. Or do you pay to me money for my job? --Pogrebnoj-Alexandroff 15:56, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
    • If you're happy to pretend to pay me for pretending to work, feel free to pretend to work and I will in turn pretend to pay you :). Everyone here is just contributing because it's a hobby and a passion... please just do your part to keep other people's hobbies from becoming a dreadful chore, and you're all good on my coin. --SB_Johnny | PA! 16:09, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
      • You pay to me a little bit at first (up-front), and then I will give to you from that small money which have received, as it is my idea was.))) I know project principles very well but if the author himself has given the work the authorship should be specified too. It does not speak all that someone to someone should pay money, but the Fatherland should know the heroes.)) And then, if it is the free project and the gainless organisation (non-for-profits) why someone should to earn money on our work, at all not specifying authors of job? --Pogrebnoj-Alexandroff 19:34, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
        • So the issue is about the watermarks? Having your watermark on the image itself might be a legitimate interpretation of the free licenses, but watermarked images are frowned upon by most wikimedians, and so they essentially make the image less useful. If someone is particularly impressed by an image they see in a wp article (etc.), they'll probably click on it to get a better view, and can read the uploader's comments: someone who just glances at an image as part of an article isn't the kind of person who will care much about who contributed the image anyway, and those who do take time to look will see who you are.
        • This is all neither here nor there though. Just be civil (even when someone disagrees with you... it's easy to be civil to those who agree with you). --SB_Johnny | PA! 20:54, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
  • My dear, the person can be deceived only once, but second time he will not believe to you. Those who is not consent with the Law, has created nothing and was engaged only in overindulgence. To appreciate itself, the work and work of other people, it is necessary to live a life and most to try to make something useful in a life and to understand, that it uneasy and demands expenses of forces, time and means. What your personal interest, why you try to disturb the rights of the author? What benefit you wish to receive from this infringement? If, how you have written earlier, "it is a hobby and anybody has no money for work" - donations what for gather and what for sell the CD's in Germany? I know the answer as it there was my idea too,[13] whether but can you answer to me? --Pogrebnoj-Alexandroff 03:04, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
    • I don't have checkuser here, so I have no idea what your IP is. Assuming from your mail that you are blocked, it's probably due to the use of sockpuppets. If you want to sell your images and have control over their use, upload them on Flickr or somewhere else. --SB_Johnny | PA! 07:31, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
  • I tried to be registered there some times, but something is impossible. Registration does not pass. Besides, what's difference between a portal "Yahoo!" where placed the site "Flickr", from other web pages of the Internet for Wiki-projects? Than they it is better? Why such discrimination? Whether are you the owner of these portals? --Pogrebnoj-Alexandroff 14:29, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

So![edit]

  • What you talking about copyright is very interesting situation. You can see [14] about the GNU and the copyright! Vere is your GNU?! "Copyright: Wikimedia Commons"??? the preceding unsigned comment was added by 72.11.219.103 (talk • contribs) 13:26, 13 October 2007
    • All is very suspicious. Your example shows: Pogrebnoj-Alexandroff was right -- all works of authors must be protect by copyright. the preceding unsigned comment was added by 216.194.61.118 (talk • contribs) 14:09, 13 October 2007

All your images[edit]

Image deletion warning All your images have been listed at Commons:Deletion requests so that the community can discuss whether they should be kept or not. We would appreciate it if you could go to voice your opinion about this at their entry.

If you created these images, please note that the fact that they have been proposed for deletion does not necessarily mean that we do not value your kind contribution. It simply means that one person believes that there is some specific problem with them, such as a copyright issue. If the files are up for deletion because they have been superseded by a superior derivative of your work, consider the notion that although the files may be deleted, your hard work (which we all greatly appreciate) lives on in the new files.
In all cases, please do not take the deletion request personally. It is never intended as such. Thank you!

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  — Jeff G. (talk|contribs) 16:42, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

  • Hurrah!!! The truth and lie has started to be shown! One of greedy thieves of another's intellectual work, being covered with the defender of copyrights and wishing to make profit for the account of others, was frightened! Only... It is not all! Search more. Very soon by your hands, by such rates and methods as at you, this project will disappear also. Works of users do not belong to you, even if it for them a hobby! You can not copyright their job. I give and I allow to use my illustrations only in such with what you them to see and no more that. You can use my illustrations or not - the right of everyone. Other users of the given projects will begin to see clearly also, creating the new web-sites. --Pogrebnoj-Alexandroff 17:25, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
    Aleksey, we are not stealing your work since this is you who deposited it here willingly. In the contrary, we are proposing the deletion of your pictures to protect your work and the wikipedia projects. If your content stays on this site, it will be exploited by others in a way you don't agree with, that's why I say we protect your work. And we protect our projects because if your pictures are not free (as in free-software, which means anyone can modify and redistribute it) then they make parts of our project non-free. Contrary to what you say, we do not copyright other's work (attribution remains, you can check by yourself) and we respect the license terms chosen by its author, and that's exactly why we are proposing to remove your images from this site: because your license terms are not compatible with Commons' policy. If you chose to change your license terms and allow anyone to freely modify and redistribute your content (your authorship will remain of course), then your pictures will not be deleted. I personally hope this will be your choice since some of your pictures are good and worthful. Regards. — Xavier, 18:59, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
  • I have nothing against many of you and, especially, against your hobbies. But I wish to notice - envious and malicious people not much, however they very strongly "stink" and stir another. There can be you something do not understand or not all know: larceny of ideas, without authorship instructions - larceny too. Besides: the illustrations loaded here have owners of works - the authors having a name. I do not climb to anybody, also I stir to nobody, I do not interfere with another's affairs as you see - I easy do my work, and envious persons stir accusing in public relations and in all sins. Communists wished to depersonalize each person, proclaiming - "be human" or "don't be uncivil" and making by their herd of slaves... The same I start to observe here. --Pogrebnoj-Alexandroff 19:37, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

Please be civil[edit]

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It seems to me that you are acting in an uncivil manner. Please remain civil and don't resort to making personal attacks or instigate edit wars. Walter Siegmund (talk) 20:36, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

  • Pogrebnoj-Alexandroff are more civil, than many from here present attacking the ingenious author. Cenius#1 05:33, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

For the fourth time...blocked[edit]

After reviewing your contributions, it is apparent that you have decided to continue being uncivil to other users, namely Jeff G. and EugeneZelenko. Despite the final warning given to you above, you continued, and therefore you have been blocked for three months. Also, the licensing restrictions that you have placed on your works do not comply with COM:L, and it is obvious that you have abused sockpuppets Please do be civil to others, make sure that your licenses comply with COM:L, and to not abuse sockpuppets after your block expires. O2 () 02:57, 18 October 2007 (GMT)

  • If the given project noncommercial also is registered as not-for-profit organisation about what commerce there can be a speech? If it is a hobby of users about what commerce there can be a speech? And if someone wishes to receive benefit from use of another's work why not to pay to authors for their work? Something rules specified by you are not joined to the International law and common sense. Your rules and many of you uncivil, but not Pogrebnoj-Alexandroff! Pogrebnoj-Alexandrff just it is more for the people, instead of commercial interest of separate people. And why you block at once users as soon as see danger to your inventions in a deceit of naive people? Where the report on the collected donations which it is collected more than one million dollars? I wish to see this financial report. Genius#1 05:27, 18 October 2007 (GMT)

Block evasion[edit]

Warning Please stop. By evading the existing three-month block of your account, as you have done using 72.11.218.137 and 85.18.242.26, you demonstrate that you have no intention to respect the Commons community and that you intend to continue to disrupt its work and harass its participants. Please use the duration of this block more constructively, such as by reading Commons:Licensing and our other policies and guidelines.

If you continue to evade the block, I will change the limited duration of the block to indefinite, as I can see no reason why we should expect your behaviour to change, even after three months of enforced time off. LX (talk, contribs) 13:54, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

  • Very interesting situation. Who here wishes to make profit? Who is owner? Were is own server? --Gilderg 14:02, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
  • Are you the anti-semite? You do not like the Jewish surnames. [15]
  • What basis one of firms (ICQ) using data "Wiki" for reception of financial profit has?
You're now blocked indefinitely for the reasons explained above. LX (talk, contribs) 14:36, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
* Who "facked", you? The next personal attack on Pogrebnoj-Alexandroff?[16] You will not make anything to him but will suffer from your actions! What kind of your's personal financial interest in 'Wiki'? Why you breaking the rights of authors? Are you the anti-semits or russophobes too? That you so strongly are afraid blocking objectionable to you of courageous freethinking and truthful users, instead of slaves? Here are present not only as you - are available more cleverly. The preceding unsigned comment was added by 72.11.219.220 (talk • contribs) at 16:45, 18 Oct 2007 (UTC)

You will order and lay down the conditions to the dogs and slaves, but not to users (including to the ingenius user Pogrebnoj-Alexandroff). Watch, yes? Watch, how dogs-police dogs? Ghost 16:53, 18 October 2007 (UTC) The preceding fake signed comment was added by 72.11.219.220 (talk • contribs)

  • Correctness of the user Pogrebnoj-Alexandroff has once again proved to be true! There[17] one more acknowledgement of unscrupulous using of work of users for reception of personal financial benefit. Such disgrace to leave it is impossible! RadioTVshowman 18 October 2007 (UTC) the preceding unsigned comment was added by 72.11.219.52 (talk • contribs)

Blocked indefinitely[edit]

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You have been blocked from editing indefinitely for abuse of editing privileges.   — Jeff G. (talk|contribs) 02:56, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
Why does this involve blanking of his protected userpage? +sj + 03:54, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
I don't know that there is a standard practice, but three of us didn't think that it was useful to retain the content of that page.[18] In this instance, the user treated Commons as a personal web host, was disinterested in its goals and policies, and was abusive. The page content is still available via the edit history. Since this user has a history of copyright violations, it seems prudent to remove the userpage content. Walter Siegmund (talk) 20:23, 9 October 2009 (UTC)