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File:WonderCon 2010 - Floor 008.jpg

Hello,

Isn't this a derivative work? --BrokenSphere 19:25, 5 April 2010 (UTC)

Yea, you're probably right. I've deleted it. --ShakataGaNai ^_^ 17:26, 6 April 2010 (UTC)


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Pieter Kuiper (talk) 17:43, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

File:Kindle_2_-_Front.jpg

Please don't close decisions on your own images, or be the one who makes administrative decisions (such as warning or blocking Peter Kupier) related to them: it looks bad. Other admins will be happy to do it for you if you ask.

Also, as a precautionary measure, would you consider another shot of this particular image with a public domain work? I don't think it needs deleted, but I think a lot of us would feel better about it.

That said, I've just blocked Peter for obvious trolling, given what he did in response. I've given him a one day block for the moment, but I suspect he's not long for Commons. Adam Cuerden (talk) 20:06, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

I don't generally get involved with deletions of my own images. This one was a waste of time. It was a DR for the exact same thing that had already been discussed and closed. No one has yet to disagree with that assessment. As for PK, that is a longer running issue, I'm not sure if you're aware, and his blocking/warning will not be impeded by his attempts to harass me. This is exactly what he wants. He gets warned for bad behavior by an admin, so he starts picking on that admin, trying to make them "involved". Unfortunately for him, I know what he's up to. As you've blocked him for the moment, it isn't an issue, but should he continue he will find himself on the wrong side of an indef. He was warned. --ShakataGaNai ^_^ 20:36, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
Understood. As I think I tried to say, the issue is that it looks bad, not that your action was actually wrong. Frankly, he seems rather good at using things that were at all questionable to harass people, and I wouldn't open yourself up to that. Adam Cuerden (talk) 21:06, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
Right. I'm trying to say that running about closing DR's on my stuff is a "Good thing" just that I felt in this case no one would disagree. As for getting harassed - I don't mind stepping in the firing line. Some trolls try to use our system against us and I simply wont stand for that. --ShakataGaNai ^_^ 21:08, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
I still disagree. Please revert your premature closing of this DR. /Pieter Kuiper (talk) 07:45, 7 April 2010 (UTC)
You had nothing new to contribute. The issue you felt was already covered by the previous DR. 1/450th of something, is demins. Plus there are numerous other examples in Category:Books of similar shots. --ShakataGaNai ^_^ 17:23, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

Welp.

He got unblocked, immediately did one of the actions you forbade him to, and he's now blocked for a month. Should've gone indef, but I've never liked indef for people who aren't vandals, and who haven't had a couple blocks already. Adam Cuerden (talk) 21:50, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

I've been watching. He's gonna try to technicality himself out of anything and everything. --ShakataGaNai ^_^ 21:56, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

MGA73‎ is so incredibly out of line. Didn't even bother to check with me before undoing the block. Adam Cuerden (talk) 22:24, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

Well now it is a wait and see. Either PK learns his lesson that we are serious and this harassment of other users stops or he doesn't. In the first case, problem solved, lesson learned. In the later case he ends up indef'd. --ShakataGaNai ^_^ 22:31, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
I'll let you monitor him. What d'ye want to bet he starts complaining about my uploads? Heh. He'll have fun there. I work mainly from Victorian works in my possession. Adam Cuerden (talk) 22:35, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

File:Northern MN - 081.jpg

As it seems that one should discuss possible copyright problems on talk pages in the case of uploads by administrators, I respectfully suggest that you examine whether your images of signs like File:Northern MN - 081.jpg are really free. Thank you for your attention to this matter. /Pieter Kuiper (talk) 23:23, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

What is your problem with it? The big signage you can actually read is mostly PD-Text, PD-Geometic for the squigles. The old fashion picture in it is demins, as by the fact that you can hardly use it. --ShakataGaNai ^_^ 23:27, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
Thank you for giving your thoughts on this issue, but I do not quite follow your argument. Are you arguing that a replica of this sign would not be an infringement? I doubt that your deconstructionism would work in a legal defense. But you also uploaded a close-up of the photo and the text, and of the text. If I had been the author of that text, I would probably be a bit annoyed by you claiming authorship and requiring that you be attributed for derivative works of your photo. Now, if you disagree about whether this set of photos is sufficiently free for commons, would not it be better to discuss this in a DR, where others are more likely to give their opinion? /Pieter Kuiper (talk) 23:54, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
So every photo with text in it is copyright? Just following your logic... --ShakataGaNai ^_^ 02:58, 7 April 2010 (UTC)
Yes, every photo of copyrighted text is a COM:DW of that text. Same problem as with File:Kindle 2 - Front.jpg. /Pieter Kuiper (talk) 05:40, 7 April 2010 (UTC)
So every image that contains text that isn't by default public domain. So...essentially all images that have any words in them. Ok, I'm sure that couldn't be more than 2 million files. --ShakataGaNai ^_^ 06:42, 7 April 2010 (UTC)
This conversation is not very productive. You do not believe anything I say. That is why an ordinary deletetion request is really much better. /Pieter Kuiper (talk) 07:39, 7 April 2010 (UTC)
The problem is you. Frankly. I'm just taking what you are saying, and applying it to commons. You're saying "All text in images is copyright, and therefor DW" (Where not already PD of course). That is laughably stupid. I make an example of why that doesn't make any sense, and suddenly "this isn't going anywhere". So... what? You expect people to fall before you and not put up any sort of logical argument? Hardly. --ShakataGaNai ^_^ 17:26, 7 April 2010 (UTC)
ShakataGaNai, Pieter is right. Those texts are copyrighted and can't be hosted on Commons. There is a difference between a few words on a sign (without any artistic or personal merit) and a whole, carefully composed text. While the former is in the public domain in most countries, the latter certainly isn't. Of course it is annoying when someone points out my mistakes, but that is not a block reason if done civil. Nillerdk (talk) 18:38, 7 April 2010 (UTC)
I'm confused as to where the block comes in. --ShakataGaNai ^_^ 18:40, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

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Pieter Kuiper (talk) 17:31, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

Sorry!

Hi ShakataGaNai!

I just wanted to say I'm sorry for mentioning you in this edit here [1]. It is used to illustrate that Pieter gets spanked more than other users.

Ofcourse I see no reason to spank or block you. Hope you knows that. --MGA73 (talk) 10:46, 9 April 2010 (UTC)

/me shrugs --ShakataGaNai ^_^ 18:23, 9 April 2010 (UTC)

Unblock request

You blocked User:Pieter Kuiper at 17:40 on 7 April 2010, 9 minutes after Pieter nominated some of your uploads for deletion, at 17:31 on 7 April. The uploads have since been deleted as copyvios.

Prior to your block of Pieter, Pieter had been blocked and unblocked twice, by other admins. In my view, and that of others at AN/U, your block was bad, as you were clearly not uninvolved. Please do the right thing and lift the block. --Jayen466 15:30, 12 April 2010 (UTC)

Undelete request

Hi there! I have responded on my talk page to your deletion of my pictures. We can discuss things there. :-) --Quaterego (talk) 20:47, 13 April 2010 (UTC)


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Pieter Kuiper (talk) 08:35, 17 April 2010 (UTC)