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Nice pic[edit]

Like the Haytor one Jim (spotted some "local" contributions!), cheers --Herby talk thyme 12:06, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

Thanks Herby! I was quite pleased with that photo, considering that Haytor is about 8 miles as the crow flies from Newton Abbot where I took the photo.
I'm still finding my way around these Commons: I started adding categories (with the aid of CommonSense) to some photos I uploaded earlier in the year, but I keep getting distracted by other interesting things to do! Smalljim 23:20, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
This tool is very good for looking for text on pictures and checking their categories (use advanced search), that is how I've tried to get "local" stuff into better categories so that they can be found. Let me know if I can help or there is anything we can work on together, cheers --Herby talk thyme 13:15, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

Sorry[edit]

The day ran away with itself. Looking at this generally PD Old ones seem to have the date of the original work on. However I could not find any quickly that had been converted to svg (maybe you can). Otherwise to me it look ok - however I am not a licensing expert. If you still feel like you would like some confirmation then post at the help desk and you'll easily find someone who knows more that me!

Good to see you working on here - there is some great material here. Feel free to try me if you need anything, if I don't know hopefully I'll be able to point - cheers --Herby talk thyme 17:06, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

Much of what I have learnt on wiki comes from seeing what others have done! Looks fine to me.
As far as categories are concerned that is a contentious issue with some (though I find it rather strange). As far as I see it is a case of making things easy to find without over categorising things. So for me the actual media in category:Devon should be few with sub categories arranged to contain things but others may see things differently.
Fascinating to see the Helen Harris reference - there cannot be many wikimedians who have that on their bookshelves. I'm guessing you have Greaves etc as well. The industrial archeology of the area fascinates me and again I guess we are quite close geographically too - regards --Herby talk thyme 11:30, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
Ouch that Dines is technical! I'm really just a wandered who happens across things and wonders what they are, how they came to be there. I've learnt quite a bit. I like the "lumpy & wet" description - fits quite a lot of the area really. The interchange has made me think and I'll try and get some photos relating to the industrial archaeology I think (it will be next year now). Should be able to get a blowing house and maybe some of the detail, maybe try and pick up a picture or two of leats I guess. It also made me think "china clay" so I'll maybe look at getting one of Redlake too (as well as the big pit!). This is one I treasure but the price scared me when I got the link (and it covers far more that you probably want). Cheers --Herby talk thyme 13:18, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

Teignmouth[edit]

Sorry - lost track of this one. I am not aware of any prohibition on annotated photos and I have seen some (although few IIRC). May well be best at VP, cheers --Herby talk thyme 09:09, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

Any views?[edit]

I got out the other day along the Zeal Tor tramway & Petre's pits area so so pics will be uploaded soon. I'm also hoping to get out maybe Skir Hill/Ter Hill area so Hooten Wheels with a bit of luck.

It got me thinking - is it worth looking at a page and/or cat for "Industrial archeology" of and/or would just "Archeology" be better allowing the inclusion of settlements, hut circles etc? Let me know if you have any strong views, thanks --Herby talk thyme 12:37, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

Hi Herby. Sorry for my delay in replying, I haven't logged into Commons for several days. Wow, those are some decent photos you've uploaded - I particularly like Image:Mt Misery cross & view.jpg: it gives the impression of the cross itself looking out over the empty landscape. I went for a short walk from the Warren House Inn down to the Golden Dagger mine a couple of weeks ago and took a number of photos of the workings there - I'd have uploaded some of them, but the sky was so clear that they are very contrasty. There's Image:Crockern Tor, Dartmoor.jpg, though, which I think shows the Tinners' Parliament quite well.
What about a cat for Archaeology (I assume you mean "of Dartmoor"), and a sub-cat for the industrial aspect? Smalljim 17:12, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
Yes I liked your Crockern one, nice. The Mt Misery was quite good, the tinners hut at Aune really didn't come out well & I've yet to upload some Hooten Wheels ones. The earlier day down at Shipley was less clear. Depending on weather I hope to get out again soon & the Fox Tor ares for both crosses & other features would be on the list. I'd certainly like to get some more ones relating to tinning - suggestions for "must haves" welcome!
Cats - yes I think I agree too, next time I'm on with some time I'll give it a go, thanks & regards --Herby talk thyme 18:25, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

Some pics (& a few more to come)[edit]

Uploaded some today tho I do have one or two more but was out of time. You are more than welcome to add to/amend descriptions & in particular Image:Line of tinning works Huntingdon.jpg, Image:Huntingdon wheelpit2.jpg, Image:View Hooten Wheels2.jpg & Image:Tinners hut Aune head3.jpg may be of interest? Regards --Herby talk thyme 16:35, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

And made a start on Category:Archaeology of Dartmoor. Not sure about clapper bridges & crosses as they "seem" part of Dartmoor as well & the archaeology? Views welcome - cheers --Herby talk thyme 10:17, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
Good pics again, Herby. I'll have a look at my new copy of Hemery :) and see if I can add anything useful to the descriptions. I'm sure that crosses and clappers count as archaeology though, as you say, it does feel a bit strange to add them to that category. Now, should your new Category:Archaeology of Dartmoor be added as a sub-cat of Category:Archaeological sites in Britain and should that cat be renamed as Archaeological sites in the United Kingdom, per the suggestion on its page? If you agree, I'll have a go at that as my small contribution till I get out on the moor again. Cheers, Smalljim 20:54, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
Aha - category moves are one of those things....:) Take a look at Category:Requested moves where it is backed up. Equally it is one of the few areas of Commons that generate more heat than light! That said I agree & will take a look. I certainly think adding it to the "Britain" one for now is good & I've done that.
I wonder whether crosses & clappers should be in both cats as we seem to feel similarly - not something I usually favour but not likely to bring about the end of the world (I hope). I'll look at Hemery myself (however I do have a few more to upload as well). If there are places you feel should be featured I'll do what I can to get material (though I'll not have much time until early April now).
Brain rolling gently on makes me wonder (given the UK background) about an Industrial Archaeology of the UK type page sometime too. Equally I seem to recall the are quite a few "archaeology" type pictures for a few other counties ..... - time just disappears! Cheers --Herby talk thyme 13:04, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
OK, I'll leave the category move till I have more experience here, but technically it's just a matter of creating a new page and renaming the category on all the pages that are in it, isn't it? Regarding other places to photograph, well I don't know, there's so much on the moor that any walk would turn something up. I'm relatively more interested in the later mining operations on the moor, simply because they have left more substantial and varied remains; to be honest one tinner's hut or blowing house looks much like another after 500 years :-O What about Drizzlecombe (Hemery calls it Thrushelcombe - p 187 et seq.) and Eylesbarrow mine? Some better photos of the standing stones would be good, and I think there are good remains at the mine: there was certainly an open adit there in the 1970s. Regards, Smalljim 14:03, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

This may be of interest. I agree with the Drizzlecombe/Thrushelcombe one - the light was not good that day :) I'll hope to get that way soon. Cheers --Herby talk thyme 10:15, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

A few more tinning related ones now (& a couple still to upload of the old buildings by Plym Ford). I think I'll add a tinners cat of some sort - hard to get away from the remains at times :) Cheers --Herby talk thyme 16:43, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
New cats for tors and mines. There maybe should be one for waterways of some sort which would cover rivers/reservoirs & the like. Thoughts welcome - cheers --Herby talk thyme 11:40, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
Hi Herby - you've been busy. Sorry I've not been around much for the last week or so. // Oops! I didn't realise that you were the NigelR who took the existing photos of the Drizzlecombe standing stones, no offence intended. I wonder if it's possible to get photos of the stone rows showing the large terminal stones in context? // Your latest batch of photos are very good again - I particularly like Image:Open tinners workings Fox tor 2.jpg and have added it to w:Dartmoor tin-mining because it shows the characteristic scarp and parallel ridges left by tin-streaming so well. I need to add some more text to that article to explain the process. // Despite what I said about blowing houses above, I need a photo of a mould stone from a w:blowing house to illustrate that article. I'm going to try to get to the lower one above Merrivale, where there's said to be a good one (Worth p.309; Hemery p.22 & 1043) // Categories? Well as long as they can be sufficiently populated, the more the better, I suppose. Best, Smalljim 14:32, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
And I in turn had forgotten I'd taken them under my previous alias! I'll probably re-upload them here though ideally I'll get out there again in some better conditions. I'll try and get something that shows the context better too. I'll certainly try and get whatever material I can on tining/mining (& have been digging in Hemery/Worth quite a bit). I was quite pleased with this one too. Cheers --Herby talk thyme 11:18, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
Yes, that one's a gem too. Shame Hookney Tor isn't a little higher so you could have seen over the ridge to the Warren House Inn! Those openworks stand out really well and it's good to see that the Araucaria at the farm is still thriving :-) By the way, have you ever heard of the term "hushing" used in relation to tin mining on Dartmoor? See w:Hushing#Later_examples and its talk page. Smalljim 20:10, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

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Hi[edit]

Hi, I see you've uploaded some nice pictures of Plymouth. I hope you like some of the pictures I've uploaded from Geograph British Isles! EvP (talk) 21:26, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

User page[edit]

Sprot here in case the idiot decides to extend their range. For any admins benefit who happen to be dealing with issues regarding this page, the same page on en wp has been substantially vandalised by the said idiot. If it occurs here I recommend immediately short blocks. Thanks --Herby talk thyme 16:47, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

What idiot? EvP (talk) 17:17, 1 November 2008 (UTC)
Now there's a surprise. The fact that two IPs in America & Sweden attacked my en wp page almost simultaneously does not mean that I don't know where I'M CLOSER THAN YOU THINK is :). --Herby talk thyme 19:30, 1 November 2008 (UTC)
What the hell...? EvP (talk) 20:55, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

Info[edit]

Here :) regards --Herby talk thyme 11:20, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

A request[edit]

Hi, thank you for your work on File:Ancien corps de garde (Colmar).jpg. Could you do the same thing for File:Cannon, Château du Haut-Koenigsbourg, France.jpg (same photographer, same uploader, same annoying watermark)? The picture isn't used anywhere yet, but once vetted, it well might be. Again, thank you. Cheers, Edelseider (talk) 15:01, 8 October 2010 (UTC)

You were lucky this time! - you just caught me looking around for something to do. I've uploaded the cleaned version over the original. Hope it's satisfactory. Smalljim (talk) 18:39, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
Yes it is, now I will look for an article where to place it - it is a spectacular cannon, after all. Many thanks, Edelseider (talk) 18:41, 8 October 2010 (UTC)

Sweet[edit]

Nice job on the cleanup of this file. Glad to see someone else on here agrees with my method. Aavindraa (talk) 01:45, 18 February 2011 (UTC)

Thanks! I think I got a little carried away with it, actually. Smalljim (talk) 20:28, 21 February 2011 (UTC)

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Quarries[edit]

I've noticed the good work you are doing with the quarries :) I assume that you will be logically moving onto mines next. I just wanted to give a heads-up before you do - some mines target multiple minerals (eg Hemerdon is a tungsten mine and a tin mine). The same might apply to certain quarries?--Nilfanion (talk) 15:59, 5 June 2016 (UTC)

Hello Nilfanion! There's a large difference between the ball clay and china clay mining areas, which is what I really came here to do. That's easy :) I'm going to do a bit more research regarding some of the others: Meldon aplite quarry, for instance - I think that counts as granite. Then there's all the limestone quarries dotted around the county - do we count them as limestone or road-stone? As I'm doing this I'm remembering why I don't really like categorising things: I can always think of several different ways to do it. What's the secret? Smalljim (talk) 16:08, 5 June 2016 (UTC)
I find that categorising is one of the most painful activities. My approach is to pick a theme and stick to it to completion, trying not to worry about the branching questions I generate en route. With the quarries, I'd probably choose target mineral first (as you say ball clay vs china clay is easy) and get that done exhaustively. When that's done and I have all the quarries grouped by mineral, then I might re-visit the things that made me think en-route. For instance, I might then look at the primary product type (eg road-stone or building stone).
That way I ensure my initial objective is completed, and I can ensure any spin-offs are done to high standard too (if you start a secondary scheme half-way through things can get messy very fast).
One tool I find particularly useful is AWB. I can use recursive category searches, to get an offline checklist and then can nibble away at that. I can have a few different projects on the go that way too.--Nilfanion (talk) 16:41, 5 June 2016 (UTC)
Thanks for the tips. I just got access to AWB on Commons and used it this morning to move all the Category:Stover Country Park images out of Category:Teigngrace. Then I discovered cat-a-lot which seems to be easier for the simple stuff. Yes, rock type/mineral sounds like the best way to start categorising the quarries, with usage as a possible secondary category. I'll bash on with the quarries for a bit, but to be honest I don't expect to do a lot of Commons categorisation. Smalljim (talk) 19:18, 5 June 2016 (UTC)
Fair enough and I agree Cat-a-Lot is easier for the simple things. AWB becomes the tool of choice when the category tree needs to be "unwound".
An unrelated question: Are there any maps you'd like me to look into developing? I did some work on that Devonport Leat map a couple years ago. The Granite Tramway is an obvious one.--Nilfanion (talk) 18:58, 6 June 2016 (UTC)

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Templer transport[edit]

Templer transport map.svg

Well, yes! If you like a challenge, a map that showed the quarries around Haytor, the Granite Tramway, the Stover and Hackney canals and the estuary down to Teignmouth Docks, also showing the Teigngrace parish boundaries, the position of Teigngrace church, Stover House etc. (and maybe the relevant part of the later w:Moretonhampstead and South Devon Railway line too) would make a useful addition to several articles, helping to tie them all together. What do you think? Smalljim (talk) 20:53, 6 June 2016 (UTC)

It should be easy enough to get something whipped up (of course, getting a polished end result is a different story). All the things you mention should be straightforward, as should the modern country park and maybe the Templer Way. The biggest issue is the tramway itself. Its fine from Haytor to Pottery Pond, but can't find anything from there to Ventiford.
By the way, its article misses some things like milestones in Stover.--Nilfanion (talk) 21:57, 6 June 2016 (UTC)
In The Haytor Granite Tramway and Stover Canal (1994) Helen Harris states at p.49 that the line mostly followed the new railway line from Pottery Road in Bovey until near Ventiford where the railway followed a straighter course and twice crossed the tramway which meandered to lose height more gradually. She doesn't attempt to show this part on her maps (pp. 40 & 50), but Ewans (1964) - do you have a copy? - shows a route on p.20 that more or less matches this description. However I think that at the scale at which we can do it (so that the route is visible in thumbnail) such niceties aren't going to be an issue.
Not sure about mentioning that boundary marker in Stover: it's not clear from the description what is is exactly, and it's apparently been moved too. Looking at the WP article, the whole thing could do with a clean up anyway! Smalljim (talk) 22:45, 6 June 2016 (UTC)
No, I don't have the relevant books to hand (that's something I should invest in to be honest), but that description plus what I can glean from online sources was enough.
I've uploaded a first draft - shown to the right. It was actually somewhat "fun" to create, and is less than an hour's work (except for the contours). I've used the National Grid for the basemap, as cropping the map is simpler, and makes pushpins via superimpose straightforward if the grid ref is known.
Next steps... not sure! :)--Nilfanion (talk) 22:41, 7 June 2016 (UTC)
I don't have much idea how you go about creating that, but it's a great start, thanks :)) Do you use Inkscape? It appears to be editable in that program, though it chugs a bit at the high magnification that it looks like one would need to use to add details.
Looking at the map, I do think that the addition of the relevant railway lines would be helpful: apart from showing how part of the tramway was taken over by the M&SDR, addition of the line to Teignmouth would also show why the water-borne routes fell out of use. Am I right in assuming that the interesting part of this for you is the creation of the base detail like this - would you be happy if I added the names, legend, etc? (with a lot of trial and error!) Smalljim (talk) 10:43, 8 June 2016 (UTC)
My basic workflow starts with GIS, the data files and software (if you want to have a try, have a play with QGIS), as well as some text editing to adjust some things. After that I use Inkscape, to get the final output prepped for upload.
I agree railway lines would be valuable additions, I'm also thinking the rivers too. I'll get those sorted later. Done, plus relief shading.
You are right that my main interest is in the base map, but I do want to improve my skills and be able to get get from producing useful, but blank, bases to valuable annotated maps. I'm fine with you adding what you want to the base file. :)
If you want to add additional point details that should be doable - a grid square is 62.5px wide. For example adding <rect width="10" height="10" x="870" y="495"/> to the end of the code (before the final </svg>) produces a 10px-square centred at SX8772 (14km from west edge, 8km from top).--Nilfanion (talk) 18:07, 8 June 2016 (UTC)
Thanks for those changes and the info, which I'll assimilate. The relief overlay looks great. I've added some annotations, and fixed the unwanted clipping to A4 in my first upload (how did that happen?!), and put the text on its own layer. As you can tell, I've not used Inkscape very much! I also widened the lines for the canals and the tramway to make them stand out a bit better at thumbnail size, and changed the colour of the canals for the same reason. As a result of widening the canals (as it were!) I also moved the Stover Canal a touch to the right to separate it from the railway line. Your turn :) Smalljim (talk) 12:45, 9 June 2016 (UTC)

Nilfanion, I've added a scale based on 1km = 62.5px as you stated. I think I've got it right - could you check, please? I downloaded QGIS, played with it a bit and now understand how the OS OpenData forms the basis for user-created maps. I'm keen to have a go, but I haven't downloaded any of the OpenData files yet - does it matter which format (ESRI/GML) one chooses? Smalljim (talk) 16:30, 15 June 2016 (UTC)

It looks about right now to me. The only real improvements could be to the canals, possibly a darker colour and going further (I stopped the lines at the tidal limit, but it may be better to extend them further?)
As for using OpenData, it should not matter what you use. ESRI shapefiles give a separate file for each layer (eg roads/buildings/rivers...) while a GML has the entire product in a single file. I generally use the ESRI shapefiles for consistency, as for me the most important product is Boundary-Line which contains all political boundaries.--Nilfanion (talk)
Thanks for the help! I'll make a few more adjustments (probably name the tidal Whitelake Channel that the Stover Canal feeds into) then add the map to some articles. I've now tried out some of the OS OpenData in QGIS. I appreciate the availability of the contours, but haven't yet worked out how restrict them to 50m intervals and colour them in as you've done: I assume you use the OS data, but don't tell me - I like a challenge :) Smalljim (talk) 20:18, 27 June 2016 (UTC)