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It's "Lar" (short for Larry) rather than a plural "Lars". Also my decline is based on my read of the way Commons works, nothing more or less. It would be a mistake to attribute it to my ethical position. ++Lar: t/c 04:08, 11 October 2010 (UTC)
- My apologies for getting your name wrong. It was unintended. I do beg your pardon. All our decisions come out of our ethical core, frankly, one way or the other. But you said things that were just plain wrong -- ie -- that maybe you would think differently if Mbz1 promised not to be so strident in the future, but she was never offered that choice; and she wasn't banned for the quality of her language but for the content of it. Further, she is correct that her statement can be interpreted as a personal attack only by the individual on whose page it landed. For example, had she written the same message on my page, I would have agreed with her, not taken it as a personal attack. It can be seen as a personal attack but it is up to the individual to consider it such, not up to another person. She never said anyone was antisemitic. The whole thing is a huge mountain made of a mole-hill, wrong from the get-go. The idea that just because more people think she should be banned than not (and it is mixed as there are at least three people here who think it is a wrong block) that that is justification to ban someone for six months, is justifying a lynch mob and setting a terrible example for the future. Just because one opinion has more adherents than another is no reason to silence the other side. As Mbz1 is quick to point out, it is the acquiesce (or silence) to the larger community or the empowered community that drove the Jews out of one country or another for centuries, and the same thing that drove them into the concentration camps. Banning mbz1 for six months for her views as a bow to consensus (did I miss the poll?) - reflects an ethical position, just as the it would have, had you reversed the block. Stellarkid (talk) 04:59, 11 October 2010 (UTC)
- You can be as right as you like morally or ethically and yet still be blocked. Because being right isn't how Commons works. Being able to get along with others is. I have nothing but respect and admiration for Mbz1 and yet I realise that unless she agrees to keep her views to herself she's not unblockable. Pointing that out is not an ethical failing on my part regardless of how you spin it. I've tilted at enough windmills already this year, thanks. ++Lar: t/c 14:54, 11 October 2010 (UTC)
True Nazi propaganda
It could be foreseen, however, that before long the Third Reich and its Jewish legislation would become a model for those states that only needed a nudge to go a similar way. The time when the Jews could say without contradiction that anti-Semitism (hatred of the Jews) was only shown by the German people is past. The knowledge of the Jews has long since spread over the borders of the Third Reich, kindling explosions even in nations once thought immune to anti-Semitic matters.
Wikimedia Commons is not a place to prolonged deliberating.
So, write to me messages once again but using e-mail. But without argumentum ad personam. Too much these dirty serves, and I have a feeling the dignity. A hard fact it is that Palestinians are an native population in Palestine. Population which is oppressed by newcomers. You do not answer this fact, so only you use argumentum ad personam, or you jump to the other matter. An only theme in the discussion about cartoons of Carlos Latuff is Palestine. --Starscream (talk) 09:17, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
- Arabs are native to the Palestinian Mandate area, as are Jews, Christians, Greeks, Armenians and others. Jews are not newcomers in Palestine, in fact they have been there for thousands of years, as they were in Egypt, in Gaza, in Yemen, in what is now Jordan, in Syria, and throughout the so-called "Arabian Peninsula." The term "Palestinian" in referencing only the Arab population in the Mandate area or Israel is in fact relatively new, and you will find very few references to anything but "Arab" and "Jew" in relation to the people who live there until some time in the 1960's (maybe 50 years). UN documents, newspaper reports, books written before the 60's universally refer to Arab and Jew not "Palestinian." In fact, prior to the 1948 War, when people from all over spoke of "Palestinians" they mostly meant Jews. FYI Stellarkid (talk) 02:27, 22 October 2010 (UTC)
Hi Stellar, I'd like to thank you for your input during my block. I know it is silly, but sometimes I cannot help comparing my situation here on Commons to one Israel is in. In Israel case she first gets provoked, and when she responds, she's taken to UN and everybody is screaming that Israel did wrong. You know exactly as in Neighborhood Bully Well, he knocked out a lynch mob, he was criticized Old women condemned him, said he should apologize.Same here, on commons, first I get provoked, and when I respond I am taken to AN/U and get sanctioned, while the users who made initial provocation get just a slap on the hand, and it is in the best case scenario. Best wishes,--Mbz1 (talk) 23:37, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
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