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Gay LIberation Monument[edit]

Your deletion of the image of this was incorrect. Before 1989, visual arts were required to have a copyright notice to be covered by copyright law:

Copyright Notice Before March 1, 1989, the use of a copyright notice was mandatory on all published works, and any work first published before that date should have carried a notice. For works first published on or after March 1, 1989, use of a copyright notice is optional.

For more information about copyright notice, see Circular 3, Copyright Notice, available on the Copyright Office website at

The "No Freedom of Panorama" rubric did not come into effect until after 1989. Please restore the image, and please don't make deletions when you don't understand the intricacies of copyright law. Beyond My Ken (talk) 01:58, 18 November 2016 (UTC)

Your simplification of the situation reads disingenuously. Your claim at the DR was that FOP was "overridden" by its being included in a national monument, and you made no assertion that the work was published without notice. In any case... while formalities were indeed required for works first published before 1989, for works first published between 1977 and 1989, those formalities could either be a copyright notice or a copyright registration within 5 years. Considering that it has not been established that the work has no copyright notice, and especially that George Segal was known to register his sculptures' copyrights (see VAu000455081), I see no reason to undelete. If you think I have erred, please raise this at COM:Requests for undeletion, but I'd advise dropping the condescending attitude, which doesn't help your case at all. Storkk (talk) 10:45, 18 November 2016 (UTC)
Yes, your attitude of infallibility is understandable, since you became an admin back in 2006, when they were being handed out to all and sundry, pretty much anyone who asked for it and didn't have any dirty laundy. Too bad you haven't learned anything much in the meantime. Beyond My Ken (talk) 17:54, 18 November 2016 (UTC)
Unless you are accusing me of sockpuppetry, there has been some kind of reading comprehension failure on your end. I became an admin earlier this year, not in 2006. I won't deign to respond to the rest of your comment. Please take your complaint either to COM:REFUND to discuss this file or COM:ANU to complain about me. Storkk (talk) 18:17, 18 November 2016 (UTC)
Well, my mistake. then, but you still fucked up, and you still won't admit you're wrong and don't know what you're talking about. Hurray for the "improvement" you made to the Commons. Beyond My Ken (talk) 18:53, 18 November 2016 (UTC)
See COM:REFUND. Storkk (talk) 19:44, 18 November 2016 (UTC)
There are two questions here, REFUND would only deal with one: the restoration of the image. The other, more important question is that of your attitude and behavior as an administrator, which you refuse to acknowledge. Admins are expected to lead, and to acknowledge when they have made a mistake, not to gloss over their behavior and mark the discussion "resolved" when it is not resolved. You need to admit that you don't understand this subject area, or you are going to contonue to make the same kind of mistake over and over again. Beyond My Ken (talk) 01:15, 19 November 2016 (UTC)
  1. Your comment at the DR was fatuous, irrelevant and factually incorrect
  2. I deleted based on my understanding of the law, which I have never claimed is infallible
  3. You then complain on my talk page with a gratuitous condescending remark
  4. I patiently explain the law as I see it, and where you are mistaken... to which you never respond except to:
  5. You continue your insults which take a bizarre twist into the twilight zone and follow on with non sequitur ad hominem attacks from there
I marked the section resolved twice because I thought I had said all I needed to say on the subject, and thought you had said everything of substance you were going to. Either take this to COM:ANU, where I have already pointed you, or don't. But kindly cease being an ass on my talk page. Storkk (talk) 11:07, 19 November 2016 (UTC)

Mass messaging[edit]

Hi, rather than the arguments about a case of poor mass messaging, would you like to start drafting a Commons-specific guideline for mass messaging, including posting several users without using tools? As well as the governance problem of informal fundraising messages, we do find some users sending out lots of Christmas messages and thankspam. Understanding the boundaries of wanted messages and where informal notices cross the line into potential spamming would be a useful guideline for the community to agree. For example, any user sending out the same notice to more than 10 users, probably should be able to justify their actions as writing to "subscribers" or those that had positively expressed an interest in a specific issue. Thanks -- (talk) 10:52, 25 November 2016 (UTC)

@: Despite both of us strongly disfavoring off-wiki discussions, I have discussed exactly this (among other things) with Colin recently by email. He has convinced me that it would probably be prudent to wait till after Christmas to do this something like this. In principle I strongly agree with an approach similar to the one you suggest. My initial suggestion would have been to add "Individual solicitations for money can be considered invasive and discourteous by some, and should not be made except to people who have previously expressed their consent." as the final bullet point of Commons:Talk page guidelines#Here are a few things to bear in mind... but perhaps mass messaging should indeed be discussed more generally. The wording would likely need careful thought, and "the same notice" probably wouldn't work... a simple customization would not make the mass message OK to me, and to some extent it's orthogonal to my main problem with the message... but that might be a good thing. Storkk (talk) 11:10, 25 November 2016 (UTC) edited to add "something like". Storkk (talk) 11:11, 25 November 2016 (UTC)
I agree with picking a neutral time. :-) I look forward to some calm discussion when it comes up. -- (talk) 11:19, 25 November 2016 (UTC)

hello sir ... wanted to know about an email i got on your behalf...[edit]

good evening sir...

i am new to wiki and had posted an image under the banner Indian roller... couple of hours back i got an email regarding the same that my image has been listen in deletion section.. could you please help me what to do or what has to be done either to delete it or to put it back on the page where i had posted it.. would appreciate all your help sir..


Karan — Preceding unsigned comment added by Karankrdave (talk • contribs) 17:43, 20 December 2016 (UTC)

Hi @Karankrdave:... if you took the photo yourself, please follow the instructions on OTRS. If not, please indicate where Snappy Shutter has indicated a free license. Thanks, Storkk (talk) 17:58, 20 December 2016 (UTC)

hello sir my photography account name is snappy shutter yes i took the photo... i have requested for deleting .. shall upload a file with exif..will that do ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Karankrdave (talk • contribs)

@Karankrdave: that would help a little, but it would be best to email the permissions team by following the instructions on →this page←. This is because we have no way of verifying that you are the actual photographer. Storkk (talk) 18:07, 20 December 2016 (UTC)

Freedom of Panorama[edit]

Hi! Why you deleted some photos like this??? It is a restaurant, no FOP here.--Paris 16 (talk) 17:26, 25 December 2016 (UTC)

@Paris 16: "FOP" is an exemption from certain copyright protections in some circumstances that various countries have enacted. For more information, please see COM:Freedom of Panorama. France does have a Freedom of Panorama exemption, but it is non-Commercial only, and Commons only accepts content that can be used commercially (see COM:L for more information). The photograph you point is in my opinion of the architecture and décor, so it cannot be de minimis, and to me the architecture clearly displays the individuality/originality required for copyright protection. There was no indication that it was old enough to be in the public domain, which for France, is 70 years post mortem auctoris... we would need to know the architect's date of death. Best regards, Storkk (talk) 11:17, 27 December 2016 (UTC)
This is a old building, a haussmann building. If we need to know the architect's date of death to keep the photos, we should delete all the photos of France. I can't agree with you in this case.--Paris 16 (talk) 12:46, 27 December 2016 (UTC)
@Paris 16: If the architect has been dead for >70 years, then we can undelete it, yes... But that had not been even asserted until you suggested just now that this was a "Haussmann" building. If the building was indeed pre-1870 as you seem to imply, then please provide evidence. The fact that we have to delete other stuff is not a cogent argument one way or another. Storkk (talk) 17:01, 27 December 2016 (UTC)

How to stop this?[edit]

Hi Storkk, somehow Amitie 10g is still ignoring your warning, see here. He has been warned several times by now about his habbit of calling the work of colleagues 'disruptive'. What could be done to finally stop this behaviour? Jcb (talk) 16:26, 18 January 2017 (UTC)