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关于PRC-StandardMap[edit]

此次在共享资源列出的是无争议的中国国界线画法标准样图、世界各国国界线画法参考样图或行政区域界线标准画法图,此类图片由行政机关通过行政公文公布,是无争议的公有领域。与维基百科上之情况不同。特此告知。Patlabor Ingram (talk) 04:59, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

@Patlabor Ingram:既然这些地图依照著作权法第五条属于公有领域,那么使用{{PD-PRC-exempt}}即可,我仍然认为{{PRC-StandardMap}}没有必要使用,应当删除。--Wcam (talk) 12:30, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
理解您持有观点的权利。但是速删理由G4已经不成立了(目前模板有使用、理据为无争议公有领域)。
另:共享资源中,美国政府公有领域模板都是按政府部门分类,总数上百个,未见有存废问题。Patlabor Ingram (talk) 15:05, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
@Patlabor Ingram:美国政府的是按政府部门分类,那么您的分类是按照什么标准?除了地图,是否还有其它类别?如果只有地图的话,我还是认为没有必要单独建立一个特殊模板。--Wcam (talk) 16:14, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
您有持有个人观点的权利。
但是,方针指引并未规定一国或一个法条下只能有一个PD标签,亦未对新建著作权标签模板进行限制。维基媒体上的著作权标签有近千个,并未有统一标准限定。Patlabor Ingram (talk) 13:04, 1 October 2020 (UTC)
你在不顾前次存废讨论结果的情况下,擅自重建模板,做出这种不当行为前,不知有没有想过方针指引?--Wcam (talk) 18:39, 2 October 2020 (UTC)
前次存废讨论公示的删除理由是“unused template”。现在有图片可以使用此模板自然可以重建,该删除理由也自然消失。此等情况维基百科等也有先例,重建有何不妥?
此次上传的中国国界线画法标准样图、世界各国国界线画法参考样图或行政区域界线标准画法图,在之前维基百科的讨论中您也并没有异议。
我不知道我们之间有什么误会,让阁下在三天内对我提出速删7次、删除1次。如有什么歧见,我觉得还是通过讨论及时化解比较好。若有冒犯之处,本人在此致歉。Patlabor Ingram (talk) 07:40, 3 October 2020 (UTC)
@Patlabor Ingram:既然您认为重建理由充分,理应先在COM:UD提请方为妥当。另外,我标记{{No source since}}的理由是,您给出的来源链接里找不到地图图片,请提供图片本身的来源,希望您能自行修正该错误。--Wcam (talk) 11:37, 3 October 2020 (UTC)
北京市行政区域界线图等已补充原始来源。
关于模板,我很少在共享资源上活跃,不了解“unused template”的重建在本站上需要经过UD。可能维基百科上重新上传因未使用而被删除的电影海报不需要存废复核给了我错误的印象。对于程序上的不妥之处我深表歉意。Patlabor Ingram (talk) 14:36, 4 October 2020 (UTC)
插一句话针对@Wcam:,我不知道接下来的内容是否满足善意推定,如果不满足的话可径自打删除线或回退掉,不必理会。我觉得您是不是被某些明显的互联网审查规则吓怕了,就“公开使用前需要送测绘地理信息行政主管部门审核”,这很明显是审查机制下的行为好吧,其性质无非就是人肉功夫墙,如果按照这个逻辑,那么随便一个人被警察以违反香港特区国安法逮捕并搜出一些涉及所谓“黄色经济圈”、“泛民主派”等违法内容,那么这些违法内容就彻底不能自由使用了么,只能合理使用了么,哪怕就是那个人自制且正式贡献于公有领域(即{{PD-self}})也不行么?希望您以后再提删文件时,避免搞这种将审查机制与版权自由与否相混淆的问题好不?--Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 12:18, 18 October 2020 (UTC)
@Liuxinyu970226:首先,我对{{PRC-StandardMap}}提出的删除理由与行政主管部门审核无关。至于那些北京的标准地图,我也不认为这是审查机制:创作者有权限制其作品被如何使用,如果符合COM:L要求才可收录;政府部门是地图的创作者,并且规定任何修改必须送交政府部门审核,这一要求很明显不符合COM:LThe following restrictions must not apply to the image or other media file: ...Notification of the creator required, rather than requested, for all or for some uses.)。你的{{PD-self}}类比不恰当之处在于,创作者与提出限制的一方不是同一个实体,只要创作者没有限制其内容的自由使用,则是符合COM:L。--Wcam (talk) 12:40, 18 October 2020 (UTC)
@Wcam:我愿引用上面Patlabor Ingram君的说明:《党政机关公文处理工作条例》第八条(六):“*通告*。适用于在*一定范围*内公布*应当遵守或者周知的事项*。”同时根据《北京市测绘条例》:“编制本市各种地图的,必须符合下列要求:……(二)使用本市行政区域界线基础地理底图,作为基础底图;……”另根据《地图管理条例》,在中华人民共和国制作、修改任何地图,*公开使用前需要送测绘地理信息行政主管部门审核*。也就是说在中国大陆的任何地图,哪怕是File:China_edcp_location_map.svg,都是经过严格审核的(换言之,如果没经过审核的话,那么连发布都绝无可能发生),如果您认为这张无文字地图都不能接受,您也可以大规模,甚至统统提删,什么COM:INUSE都可以不管,但如果不是这样的话,请您接受这个既定事实吧,这些审核机制真的不会影响这些地图们的公有领域状态,不然COM:NOTCENSORED早就是张废纸了。--Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 04:03, 23 October 2020 (UTC)
@Liuxinyu970226:需要指出您又弄错了对象。COM:NOTCENSORED说的是维基共享资源不应审查内容,这与您讨论的问题无关。--Wcam (talk) 14:47, 23 October 2020 (UTC)

疑問[edit]

  1. 這張照片並非在下上傳、擁有,為何會收到違規版權通知?
  2. 這張照片的版權是否會引響在下帳號的違規數?(希望不要被牽連)

TR EMU3000 外觀.png --鐵路1 (talk) 16:58, 24 October 2020 (UTC)

@鐵路1:1由于您将此图片由中文维基百科导入至维基共享资源,故提报时自动化处理工具向您发出了通知。2不会影响,请放心。--Wcam (talk) 17:04, 24 October 2020 (UTC)
@Wcam:了解,感謝。(不過據我所知,這些圖確實是由臺灣鐵路管理局新聞稿中提供的圖片,並且應該適用GWOIA授權。)--鐵路1 (talk) 17:31, 24 October 2020 (UTC)
@鐵路1:但是来源提供的链接[1]处找不到相应的图片,无法验证其授权状态。来源应提供包含该图片的网页链接。--Wcam (talk) 20:06, 24 October 2020 (UTC)
@Wcam:了解。--鐵路1 (talk) 04:34, 25 October 2020 (UTC)