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Hello, Wistula!

Tip: Add categories to your images

Thanks a lot for contributing to the Wikimedia Commons! Here's a tip to make your uploads more useful: Why not add some categories to describe them? This will help more people to find and use them.

Here's how:

1) If you're using the UploadWizard, you can add categories to each file when you describe it. Just click "more options" for the file and add the categories which make sense:

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2) You can also pick the file from your list of uploads, edit the file description page, and manually add the category code at the end of the page.

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For example, if you are uploading a diagram showing the orbits of comets, you add the following code:

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This will make the diagram show up in the categories "Astronomical diagrams" and "Comets".

When picking categories, try to choose a specific category ("Astronomical diagrams") over a generic one ("Illustrations"). Pro-tip: The CommonSense tool can help you find the best category for your image.

Thanks again for your uploads! More information about categorization can be found in Commons:Categories, and don't hesitate to leave a note on the help desk.

BotMultichillT 06:47, 25 February 2009 (UTC)


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Eusebius (talk) 09:22, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

Please do not recreate deleted content

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Eusebius (talk) 10:26, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

File tagging File:Pilz,_Erfurt,_Sammelmarken_2.JPG

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shizhao (talk) 12:22, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

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shizhao (talk) 12:22, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

Hi Shizhao - the author of both stamp-scans is unknown, the company, which produced those stamps doesn't exist anymore since (I guess) end of WW II. So no chance to ask anybody about that topic, though I tried, as I contacted the local townhall. If you believe that under those conditions any authors' rights are touched, you have to remove. Scan was done by me from original stamps, which I own.--Wistula (talk) 15:18, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

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132.199.33.92 13:13, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

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blurpeace (talk) 04:46, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

Löschung mag ja richtig sein, ich kann dazu gar nichts dazu sagen, weil ich nicht weiss, was für eine Datei das war. Kann ich mir die irgendwo noch ansehen ? --Wistula (talk) 15:31, 16 October 2009 (UTC)


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Eusebius (talk) 16:04, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

Done rgds --Wistula (talk) 18:35, 24 November 2009 (UTC)
What is needed is primarily the reference of the catalogue, as precise as possible (title, year, editor, and most crucial, place of publication). Thanks in advance. --Eusebius (talk) 19:57, 24 November 2009 (UTC)
Last changes in the foto-description done: that is really all I can say about. I firmly believe, that there are nobodies' author rights touched as I am sure those fotos have been done by an employee of the publisher, with all rights kept by the publisher. The publisher (Polte Armaturen- und Maschinenfabrik (OHG)) has been liquidated under sowjet government in the Eastern part of Germany 1945. There is no legal entity following the former owner anymore, so nobody existing, who could have or claim any rights to this foto (which eventually anyway could be nearly 100 yrs old). rgds --Wistula (talk) 21:54, 26 November 2009 (UTC)
Thanks for the information. I have edited after you, trying to limit visible info to the bibliographical details. I can't read German though, I hope it still looks consistent. Copyright status should be ok, but it is probably more {{Anonymous-EU}} than {{PD-old}} (don't bother changing that). When you have time, would you please duplicate the source and author field on the other files from the same catalogue? Thanks in advance. --Eusebius (talk) 22:07, 26 November 2009 (UTC)
Will do that, give me just a few days pls, Thanks for info and help, rgds --Wistula (talk) 22:11, 26 November 2009 (UTC)


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Martin H. (talk) 17:42, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

Scan from a book - welches Buch? Wenn schon kein Urheber rausgefunden wurde sollte wenigstens die direkte Quelle dokumentiert werden. Bitte Quellenangabe für das Buch nachtragen. Bei dem ersten Bild ist es etwas anders gelagert, 90 Jahre ist einfach nicht alt genug. --Martin H. (talk) 19:57, 29 December 2009 (UTC)


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Re: Fortress Warsaw

Hi there :) I'll be happy to do that - I hope tomorrow morning I'll find time to create that image. --Leafnode 13:27, 9 June 2010 (UTC)

Well, I've decided that I have to do this quick, because otherwise I can forget about it and it'd linger inside my todo list for weeks ;) As you've noticed, I didn't do this yesterday, but I've started the work and hopefully soon it'll be finished :) --Leafnode 12:16, 11 June 2010 (UTC)
Hello. Look at this: File:Mapa Warszawski Rejon Umocniony.svg - it's an early version, and it still needs some work. BTW I've found this map: http://www.varsovia.pl/varsovia/warstwy/twierdza/plan.jpg - do you want this SVG plan to be updated/expanded to include also those other fortifications? --Leafnode 11:43, 15 June 2010 (UTC)
Leafnote, that is already very nice, great job ! And you are right - it would be good, if the Warsaw fortification map fits to the one, you did already about the Region Fortification (incl Modlin, Zegrze). In the region map you have nine forts in the inner circle of Warsaw (incl X, which officially counts as the outer one), which follows the map of Ostrowski - I guess, at a later stage of the construction. And it would be absolutely perfect, if you could do another (small map) about the citadel and its 6+1 forsts, as to show them in the existing map would be too tiny ... btw - are you Warsawian ? --Wistula (talk) 10:20, 16 June 2010 (UTC)
OK, so if I find some free time, I'll update all the diagrams to reflect the final state of the Warsaw Fortress, just before the decision to abandon it. And yes, I was born and live in Warsaw - what's more, I spent a lot of time during my childhood playing on and exploring P-Fort (Bema). --Leafnode 15:33, 16 June 2010 (UTC)
... and i am actually living next to VIII Służew (which, what a pity, was sold to an real-estate-developer and is now not public anymore), which originally raised my interest in that matter. rgds --Wistula (talk) 15:39, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

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Wo habst du das Foto? file:Pole10DSC 0197.JPG Bitte zeigst du: [1] und Kopie PATRONE/SCHABLONE{{}} location. Entschuldigung mein nich gut Deutsch. Marek M (talk) 14:41, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

Witam, ich nehme mal an, dass ist die Rückseite der hässlichen Gebäude an der St Batorego, direkt an der Kreuzung Al Niepodlegosci, Pozdr --Wistula (talk) 16:06, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

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Image from about 1920, Author unknown, PD-old is for works whose author has been known to be dead for more than 70 years. --Martina Nolte (talk) 16:49, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

Zwecks Bündelung der Diskussion von File_talk:Artur_Flechtner_alt_.JPG hierher kopiert:

Es handelt sich um meinen Urgrossvater. Er ist 1936 gestorben, mithin vor 74 Jahren. Das Foto befindet sich in meinem Besitz. Es wurde vermutlich in einem gewerblichen Fotostudio der Zeit gemacht, ein rückseitiger Stempel ist nicht entzifferbar. Als Auftraggeber sind die Rechte damals an den Kunden (Flechtner) übergegangen, der sicher nichts gegen eine Verwendung hätte. --Wistula (talk) 17:28, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

PD-old gilt nur für das Todesdatum des Urhebers, nicht des Abgebildeten. Die ausschließlichen und vollumfänglichen Rechte sind auch damals normalerweise nicht automatisch an den Auftraggeber übergegangen, und falls doch eine solche Vereinbarung getroffen wurde, so müsste der heutige Rechteinhaber bzw. müssten ggf. seine Erben der Veröffentlichung zustimmen. Ob sich nach einer Rechteübertragung die 70-Jahres-Frist ändert (und auf wessen Todsdatum sie sich bezieht), weiß ich allerdings nicht. --Martina Nolte (talk) 19:02, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

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Zwecks Bündelung der Diskussion von File_talk:AvT_alt0001.JPG#Urheberrechtsverletzung.2FL.C3.B6schung hierher kopiert:

Es handelt sich um meinen Urgrossonkel. Foto befindet sich in meinem Besitz. Kein Hiwneis auf Copyrights bzw Urheber. Vermutlich ein gewerbliches Fotostudio der Zeit, dann wären die Rechte wohl an den Kunden (A.v Thaer) übergegangen, der sicher nichts gegen eine Verwendung hätte. Eventuell könnte es auch ein Foto eines Studios der Deutschen Heeres des Deutschen Kaiserreiches gewesen sein - glaube ich aber nicht. Ob die Rechte betr Fotografien dieser Institution an die Reichwehr und von da an die Bundeswehr übergegangen sind und wer dann bei Letzeren zu befragen wäre, entzieht sich meiner Kenntnis. Ich bezweifle überaus, dass jemand bei der Bundeswehr Anstoss an der Veröffentlichung dieses Fotos nehmen würde - wenn es denn vom Deutschen Heer stammt ! --Wistula (talk) 17:23, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

Hallo, Urheberrechte entstehen auch ohne Kennzeichnung und sind in Deutschland unverzichtbar. Die Entstehung in einem gewerblichen Studio besagt noch nicht, dass die Nutzungsrechte vollumfänglich an die abgebildete Person übertragen wurde; das war zu der Zeit jedenfalls nicht Usus. Mit Vermutungen kommen wir nicht weiter. Und wir sprechen hier nicht über eine einfache, einmalige Veröffentlichung, sondern PD oder eine freie Lizenz wie GFDL und CC bedeuten, dass jedermann dieses Bild zu jeglichem Zweck bearbeiten und nutzen darf, auch kommerziell. Bei PD sogar ohne jegliche Bedingungen. Deshalb ist es unerlässlich die urheberrechtliche Situation eindeutig zu klären. --Martina Nolte (talk) 20:30, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

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Zwecks Bündelung der Diskussion von File_talk:Distanzritt Ausschnitt Zeitung.JPG hierher kopiert:

Der Artikel wurde von Albrecht von Thaer verfasst. Das war mein Urgrossonkel. Da er vor meiner Geburt verstarb, konnte ich nicht mehr fragen, ob er mit einer Verwendung bei Wikimedia einverstanden gewesen wäre. Heute sagt er nichts mehr. Ihn hätte es sicher gefreut. In welchem Medium der Artikel veröffentlicht wurde, ist nicht bekannt, auch eine Recherche hat das nicht ergeben. Ross und Reiter oder so ähnlich. Existiert aber sicher nicht mehr. Wer da seine Rechte verletzt sehen und klagen sollte vermag ich nicht zu erkennen. --Wistula (talk) 17:16, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

Die Nutzungsrechte werden beim Tod des Urhebers auf seine Erben übertragen. Die müssen 70 Jahre lang der Veröffentlichung (auch für kommerzielle Zwecke) und Bearbeitungen zustimmen.
Mir wäre lieb, wenn wir diese Fragen gebündelt auf deiner Benutzerdisk. statt an exemplarischen Bildern bündeln könnten. --Martina Nolte (talk) 19:12, 20 November 2010 (UTC)
Schon mal positiv, dass das mittlerweile gelöscht wurde; erspart mir und den rund 40 Nachkommen verschiedener Generationen den Weg zum Notar, um die Erbschaftsverhältnisse an dem Foto zu klären/fixieren. Gut auch, dass nun keiner von denen mehr auf die Idee kommt, Wikimedia auf Schadensersatz zu verklagen - da geht es ja um ganz erhebliche Einkommensverluste. --Wistula (talk) 14:18, 27 November 2010 (UTC)

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Hallo Wistula, ich sehe gerade, dass du etliche Bilder und Texte unter PD-old hochgeladen hast. Bitte beachte, dass pma 70 Jahre aktuell nur für solche Urheber gilt, die bekanntermaßen (oder aufgrund des extrem hohen Alters der Werke sicher) vor 1939 gestorben sind. Ihr Upload stellt sonst eine Urheberrechtsverletzung dar. Bitte hilf mit, diese zur Schnellöschung zu markieren. Danke. --Martina Nolte (talk) 17:07, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

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Wann ist der Urheber gestorben? In de:Porzellanfabrik_Nathusius ist Nikolaus von Nathusius als (noch lebender) Besitzer genannt. -- Martina Nolte (talk) 17:21, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

In Hier zum Beispiel gibst du denselben Urhebernamen an, verlinkst aber auf deine Benutzerseite und stellst die Datei unter "normales" PD (ohne pma). Was denn nun? --Martina Nolte (talk) 17:36, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

Ah, deine de-WP-Seite bringt Licht in die Sache. Du müsstest bei diesen Bildern unterscheiden, ob der tatsächliche Urheber seit mehr als 70 Jahren tot ist und ihn als Urheber nennen (bei unbekannten Personen am besten mit Todesdatum und wenn vorhanden optimalerweise belegt). Falls aber der Urheber ein noch innerhalb der 70 Jahre verstorbenes Familienmitglied ist und du der Alleinerbe der Nutzungsrechte bist, ist PD-old unzutreffend und du solltest entsprechend kennzeichnen, dass du über alle Rechte verfügst. Bei unbekannten Urhebern geht PD-old naürlich nicht so ohne weiteres. Dass sich ein Abzug oder Bild im Familienbesitz befindet, begründet keine Urheberrechte. --Martina Nolte (talk) 17:52, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

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Wie #File:Albrecht_von_Thaer_portrait.JPG. Der tatsächliche Urheber scheint unbekannt zu sein? --Martina Nolte (talk) 01:39, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

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Hier hast du dich selbst als Urheber eingetragen. Und gleichzeitig "Quelle: privat, Familienbesitz". Es sieht nicht so aus, als hättest du die Aufnahme 1942 gemacht. Urheber unbekannt? --Martina Nolte (talk) 01:32, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

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PD-old is for works whose author has been known to be dead for more than 70 years. Da der Urheber unbekannt ist, ist auch unbekannt, ob er wirklich schon seit mindestens 1939 tot ist. Das Bild ist noch nicht in die Gemeinfreiheit entlassen. --Martina Nolte (talk) 01:13, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

I changed this to an alternate licence, and Martina was right to address her concerns to me. We need some further information to ascertain that the correct tag is applied to the work.
  • What is the source of the photo? Is it from a family collection or from another source, please would you give more detail. It is a good idea to provide as much detail as possible, to stop queries like this, and for historical purposes.
  • What actions have you taken to identify the person who took the photograph?
It is important that we give a reasonable effort to identify the original author of a work so that their rights are protected. Thanks.  — billinghurst sDrewth 14:18, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
Thanks for the switch, I couldn't contribute much new info. I guess, that most fotos of this age, specially from the eastern part of Germany (due to ww and socilizm) wouldn't state infos about the photografer ? And whom to ask - already the children generation of those who than ordered a photo aren't alive anymore --Wistula (talk) 16:21, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

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Die Lizenz für dieses Bild wurde nun von PD-old in PD-EU-no author disclosure umgewandelt. Dafür ist folgendes notwendig: Der Urheber ist unbekannt, seit einer Veröffentlichung vor mehr als 70 Jahren wurden keine urheberrechtlichen Ansprüche geltend gemacht. Da diese Veröffentlichung eine Eigenpublikation der Firma war, ist aber nicht sichergestellt, dass keine Rechtsansprüche erhoben wurden. Es ist stark davon auszugehen, dass die Firma die Fotos selbst beauftragt hat, dass die Veröffentlichungsrechte mit einem Verzicht auf Namensnennung gegenüber der Firma, möglicherweise sogar mit der vollständigen Rechteübertragung an die Firma gekoppelt waren. Dann hat sie bzw. ein eventueller Rechtsnachfolger der Firma die vollständigen Rechte inne. Das Buch (inkl. der enthaltenen Fotos) wird vermutlich mit "(c) Polte Armaturen- und Maschinenfabrik" versehen und damit die Urheberrechte geltend gemacht worden sein. Deshalb ist PD-EU-no author disclosure wahrscheinlich ebenfalls unzutreffend. --Martina Nolte (talk) 01:02, 21 November 2010 (UTC)
Ah, ich sehe gerade: "Polte Armaturen- und Maschinenfabrik (OHG)) has been liquidated under sowjet government in the Eastern part of Germany 1945. There is no legal entity following the former owner anymore, so nobody existing, who could have or claim any rights to this foto". Dann hat sich dies hier erledigt. Es wäre hilfreich, wenn diese Information in der Bildbeschreibung stünde. --Martina Nolte (talk) 01:08, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

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I jeszcze tutaj poproś o pozwolenie!

Zdjęcie za ładne, by je kasować. File:Wiktoria Gasiewska 23032009.JPG Pozdr. --Starscream (talk) 18:29, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

Prawda - and I will try that. I am just kept quite busy by the activities of Martina Nolte, pozdr. --Wistula (talk) 18:48, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

And yet here beg leave!

The photo too nice, it to cancel. File:Wiktoria Gasiewska 23032009.JPG Greetins. --Starscream (talk) 19:12, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

Bitte um ergänzende Informationen, korrigierte Lizenzierung und/oder Einholung einer Freigabe

Hallo Wistula,

ich habe hier deine Uploads danach sortiert, was m.E. zu klären bzw. zu tun / zu korrigieren ist. Ich hoffe, so können wir leichter offene Fragen klären. Viele Grüße --Martina Nolte (talk) 19:44, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

Urheber bekannt

Bitte Freigabe einholen /Todesjahr nachtragen für

Die Illustratoren selbst sind bekannt und namentlich angegeben. Hier sind die Lebensdaten, sofern mir bekannt, mit Quelle benannt - alle seit 70 Jahren tot. Die Rechte der Illustrationen könnten auch bei den Verlagen gelegen haben. Selbige sind hier aufgeführt. Die überwiegende Anzahl dieser Verlage (insbes der Erstauflagen-Verlage - die die Rechte gehalten haben werden) lagen in Ostdeutschland und sind bereits vor oder nach WW II untergegangen. Bisherige Recherchen förderten keine Rechtsnachfolger zutage. Die Erstauflagen lagen aber sowieso alle in der zweiten Hälfte des 19. Jahrhunderts.
Freigaben und Ticket zu Image:KLAN 10 LECIE 14.11.2007 (32).jpg und Image:Suzanna von Nathusius, interview Warsaw.JPG sind erfolgt. Die Freigabe zu Image:Gerhard Fels, portrait 2007.JPG wurde vom Fotografen an OTRS gemailt, hier ist also demnächst ein Ticket zu erwarten. Der Fotograf zu Image:Kratervase Porzellanfabrik Nathu0001.JPG wurde von mir um Freigabe-Benachrichtung an OTRS gebeten, derzeitiger Status ist mir unbekannt. --Wistula (talk) 07:54, 28 November 2010 (UTC)
Habe die erledigten aussortiert. Wie geht es mit denen von Peter Geh und Enrico Buffetti weiter? Findest du noch deren Sterbedaten? Sonst stelle ich Löschanträge. --Martina Nolte (talk) 00:12, 7 December 2010 (UTC)
Nein, finde ich nicht. Dann muss halt gelöscht werden. --Wistula (talk) 06:23, 7 December 2010 (UTC)

✓ Done Peter Geh: siehe unten / Enrico Buffetti unten --Martina Nolte (talk) 17:13, 7 December 2010 (UTC)

Urheber bekannt, Sterbedatum nicht vor 1940

Für PD-old (70 Jahre pma) müssten die Urheber spätestens 1939 gestorben sein. SLA gestellt. Siehe unten --Martina Nolte (talk) 16:24, 7 December 2010 (UTC)

Urheber + Todesdatum unbekannt

z.T. unzutreffende Urhebernennung (Uploader statt "unbekannt" = Schutzrechtsberühmung) --> PD-old (70 Jahre nach Tod des Urhebers, Todesdatum also vor 1940) ist ungesichert bzw. unzutreffend. Ausgehend davon, dass ein bei Werkentstehung 20 Jahre junger Urheber 1939 realistisch 80 Jahre gewesen sein könnte, beziehe ich hier Werke bis ca. Mitte des 19.Jh. ein.

Ich hatte hier mal irgendwo gelesen, dass bei Unbekanntheit des Urhebers oder dessen Sterbedatum 100 Jahre nach vermuteter Erstellung des Werkes als angemessen gesehen werden. --Wistula (talk) 09:21, 29 November 2010 (UTC)
Dann wären alle Werke unbekannter Urheber gemeinfrei, die bis 1910 erstellt wurden, obwohl ihre Urheber 30 Jahre später (1940) durchaus noch quicklebendig gewesen sein könnten, so dass ihre Erben heute noch die alleinigen Nutzungsrechte beanspruchen könnten. Meiner Auffassung nach ist eine solche 100-Jahre-Rechtslage also eher sehr unwahrscheinlich. Diese Frage wird aber gerade hier diskutiert. Im übrigen sind hier auch einige Werke gelistet, die vor weniger als 100 Jahren entstanden, teilweise sogar nach 1939. --Martina Nolte (talk) 19:05, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
Theoretisch kann auch ein 10-Jähriger, der 100 Jahre alt wurde, ein Foto gemacht haben. Damit würde sich die Grenze auf 160 Jahre verschieben. Es geht also um Wahrscheinlichkeiten/Mittelwerte ? Wie auch immer, ich habe zunächst einmal nachfolgend die 100jährigen getrennt. --Wistula (talk) 12:19, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
Die "100-Jahre-Regel" ist eine "pragmatische Regelung" - man könnte auch sagen: eine Erfindung - in der deutschsprachigen Wikipedia, die nicht auf rechtlichen Grundlagen beruht, sondern auf der Annahme, dass das Risiko für eine Verfolgung durch einen Rechtsinhaber gering ist. Solche Dateien sollen ausdrücklich nicht ohne sorgfältige Prüfung auf Commons hochgeladen werden. Aus gutem Grund: Geschützte Werke, die vor 100 Jahren geschaffen wurden, wären nur dann frei, wenn der Urheber spätestens 30 Jahre danach gestorben wäre. Das ist mächtig knapp bemessen. --Martina Nolte (talk) 23:46, 6 December 2010 (UTC)
Ich bin ein grosser Freund pragmatischer Regeln. Ohne solche Regeln wäre vieles, was möglich ist, nicht möglich. Umso mehr, wenn es sich um Fotos zu Familienangehörigen oder Familienbesitz handet, die ganz offensichtlich nicht von freien Fotografen gemacht worden, die sich ihren Lebensunterhalt durch mehrfachen Verkauf der Rechte zu Einzelnutzung verdienten. Es handelt sich doch erkennbar zum überwiegenden Teil um typische Privataufnahmeen bzw Firmenmaterial-Illustrationen der Zeit. Nach meinem Dafürhalten kann hier die Verletzung von Copyrights mit hoher Wahrscheinlichkeit ausgeschlossen werden. --Wistula (talk) 06:21, 7 December 2010 (UTC)
Vor allem scheinst du ein großer Freund von PD-old zu sein, unbeachtet der tatsächlichen urheberrechtlichen Situation. ;-) Wenn du potenziell geschützte Fotos unter der "pragmatischen" 100-Jahre-Regelung veröffentlichen möchtest, geht dies eventuell auf deWP, aber wie gesagt nicht auf Commons. Vielleicht willst du dort mal auf de:WP:URF fragen, ob diese Bilder dort geduldet würden? Wenn du grünes Licht kriegst, kläre ich gerne für dich, ob einfaches Verschieben (per Bot?) möglich ist oder wie der Import dorthin technisch abliefe. --Martina Nolte (talk) 16:33, 7 December 2010 (UTC)
Richtig: ich habe die meisten dieser Dateien zu meiner Anfangszeit bei Commons hochgeladen und mich nicht tief in die Lizenzbestimmungen eingelesen, die ich bis heute nicht im Detail kenne und übrigens auch kompliziert und teilweise undeutlich finde. Interessiert mich auch nicht wirklich, hatte also irgendetwas mir einigermassen sinnvoll Erscheinendes gewählt. Eine Korrektur der Lizenzierung durch Fachmann bzw frau fände ich begrüssenswert, ein Verschieben nach de:WP wäre nicht ideal, weil ich gerne auch Artikel in en:WP schreiben möchte und mich fotomässig bei de:WP gar nicht auskenne. Scheint mir auch nicht der Trend zu sein, dort Fotos einzustellen --Wistula (talk) 16:41, 7 December 2010 (UTC)
A. Jünger als 100 Jahre, kein Familienbesitz
B.Jünger als 100 Jahre, Fotos in Familienbesitz
C. 100 J und älter

Urheber (dem Uploader) unbekannt - Datum? Veröffentlichung? Verwaistes Werk?

z.T. unzutreffende Urhebernennung (Uploader statt "unbekannt" = Schutzrechtsberühmung), eventuell kommt PD-EU-no author disclosure (Urheber unbekannt, Veröffentlichung vor mehr als 70 Jahren) in Frage, dann bitte austauschen

Bei nachfolgenden Bildern handelt es sich um Scans von Fotos aus Produktverzeichnissen oder Briefkoepfen von Firmen (Polte, Flechtner, Pilz) , die nach Krieg und Wende endgueltig untergegangen sind. Es ist davon auszugehen dass der Ersteller der Fotos saemtliche Rechte an die beauftragende Firma abgetreten hat. --Wistula (talk) 09:27, 29 November 2010 (UTC)

Schöpfungshöhe? verwaiste Werke?

z.T. unzutreffende Urhebernennung (Uploader statt "unbekannt" = Schutzrechtsberühmung), eventuell kommen PD-EU-no author disclosure (falls keine Rechtsnachfolger des Verlags/der Firma), bei etlichen auch PD-ineligible (keine Schöpfungshöhe) in Frage, bitte entsprechend austauschen (und ggf. Urheber korrigieren)

da mag ich beimHochladen falsche Urheberbennennungen vorgenommen haben. Gerne koennen die von Anderen verbessert werden. --Wistula (talk) 12:22, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
Wenn du die korrekte Lizenzierung einträgst, kannst du die fehlerhafte Urhebernennung gleich mit in Ordnung bringen. Oder erwartest du allen Ernstes, dass dir jemand anderes in fast 300 Bildbeschreibungen hinter dir räumt? --Martina Nolte (talk) 19:37, 4 December 2010 (UTC)
Ich erwarte grundsätzlich einmal gar nichts von Anderen; so wie ich das bislang sah, erwartest Du hier von mir eine Nachbesserung bei hochgeladenen Dateien. Es scheint mir bei einem Wiki allerdings nicht ganz ungewöhnlich zu sein, dass Mehrere am Ergebnis mitwirken. Wenn Du Dich gut bei Lizensierungsbestimmungen auskennst, macht es imo also durchaus Sinn, das Du da verbesserst und nicht nur andere abmahnst. --Wistula (talk) 07:09, 5 December 2010 (UTC)
Ich habe eine Menge Zeit investiert, um deine Uploads nach Problemgruppen zu sortieren und dir Hinweise zu geben, welche Klärungs- und Korrekturschritte jeweils notwendig sind. Darüber hinaus gehe ich davon aus, dass du deine eigenen Uploads urheberrechtlich in Ordnung bringst. --Martina Nolte (talk) 14:14, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

PD-old korrekt

zur Verdeutlichung wäre es m.E. sinnvoll die Lebensdaten in der Bildbeschreibung zu ergänzen

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Fritz Bergen (*1857, † 1941), Werke sind gemeinfrei ab 1. Januar 2012. Ebenso:

Gemeinfrei ab 1. Januar 2013:

Eingetragen auf de:Wikipedia:Countdown_zur_Gemeinfreiheit --Martina Nolte (talk) 16:34, 28 November 2010 (UTC)

Schnellöschantrag auf alle vier Dateien gestellt -- Martina Nolte (talk) 16:18, 7 December 2010 (UTC)

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Schnellöschantrag auch für

--Martina Nolte (talk) 17:13, 7 December 2010 (UTC)

Ein Teil der Zeichnungen oder Schnitte ist mit P. Schnorr unterzeichnet. --Martin H. (talk) 20:08, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

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Martina Nolte (talk) 17:01, 7 December 2010 (UTC)

Schnellöschantrag auch für

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also DR for further images from Peter Geh (* 1865, † unknown):

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Nett gemeint

Hallo Wistula,
da File:Dallmin, Polte.JPG derzeit ohnehin nur auf :de gebraucht wird, solltest du es wegen der unklaren Rechtslage dorthin verschieben, da es in Deutschland frei sein dürfte. --Túrelio (talk) 08:11, 28 December 2010 (UTC)

Hallo Túrelio. Danke für Deinen Hinweis hier. Du hast sicher recht und auch mit Blick darauf, dass jetzt wohl noch weitere alte Dateien von mir gelöscht werden und - anders als im vorliegenden Fall - dann auch bei Artikeln wegfallen, bedenkenswert. Ist mir aber zu mühsam, davon verstehe ich auch zu wenig. Ich bemühe mich, Verständnis für die Säuberungsaktion aufzubringen, muss aber zugeben, dass ich es nicht wirklich schaffe. Es würde mich wirklich interessieren, ob jemals jemand wegen solch alter Fotoas an Wikimdia zwecks Schadensersatz herangetreten ist oder ob hier überflüssig Wind gemacht wird. Anyway und Gruss --Wistula (talk) 14:38, 29 December 2010 (UTC)
(ich habe mir erlaubt, deine Rückmeldung auf meiner Disku hierhin zu kopieren, damit die eventuelle Diskussion nicht auseinandergerissen wird)
Zum konkreten: "verschieben" würde für dich lediglich bedeuten, es auch auf :de hochzuladen, was du hier machen kannst. Die Beschreibung kannst du ja mitnehmen. Danach könnte es hier ggf. mit weniger Bedenken gelöscht werden, wodurch quasi eine Verschiebung nach :de erfolgt ist.
Zum allgemeinen: da ich nicht zum OTRS-Team gehöre, wo ein Teil der Beschwerden wegen URVs eingeht (ein anderer Teil kommt direkt zur Foundation), kann ich deine Frage nicht wirklich beantworten. Die allermeisten Dateien, die ich als admin auf OTRS-vermitteltes Verlangen der Urheberrechtsinhaber löschen musste, waren natürlich neueren Entstehungsdatums. Dennoch gibt es m.E. gute Gründe für die auf Commons geltende Richtlinie des vorbeugenden Prinzips, vor allem in Sinne einer höchst möglichen Rechtssicherheit der Nachuser, aber auch aus Gerechtigkeit (warum sollten nur von Getty Images stammende copyvios sofort gelöscht werden?). Da weder die admins noch die anderen in der Metaarbeit tätigen User auf Urheberrecht spezialisierte Juristen sind, kann die Richtlinie bzw. die dadurch natürlich auch geprägte Haltung immer wieder mal dazu führen, dass auch Bilder gelöscht werden (oder die Löschung beantragt wird), die bei genauester Prüfung vielleicht doch o.k. wären. Und dass sich jemand ärgert oder schockiert ist, weil er seine Bilder in gutem Glauben hochgeladen hatte, kann ich auch verstehen. Deinen Ausdruck "Säuberungsaktion" finde ich aber doch ein bißchen heftig. Wenn ich bei einem User (damit bist du jetzt nicht gemeint) einen groben URV-Upload finde, dann überprüfe ich natürlich auch seine vorherigen Uploads. Dass manchmal vor längerer Zeit hochgeladene Dateien "plötzlich" überprüft werden, liegt auch daran, dass es auf Commons in Relation zur Anzahl der Uploads viel zu wenige admins und andere User gibt, die sich um die Überprüfung des Urheberrechtsstatus der von anderen hochgeladenen Dateien kümmern. Ähnlich wie die Wikipedia ist Commons ein Projekt, dass in der Theorie eigentlich nicht funktionieren kann ... . --Túrelio (talk) 15:52, 29 December 2010 (UTC)
Ich hatte Dich auch nicht gemeint. Betr den Mangel an Mitarbeitern, die nach URV suchen - da bin ich ganz froh drüber, ich habe schon etliche Artikel in WP geschrieben und dankbar mit anderer Leute Dateien bebildert, die vermutlich auch eine URV darstellen aber ernsthaft keinen Menschen stören sollten. Ich bin auch kein Jurist, aber Zeitschriftenverleger, habe täglich im echten/gewerblichen Leben mit der Beachtung von Copyrights (auch bei Fotoverwendung) und dem Schützen meiner eigenen zu tun. Von daher kann ich zumindest die gelebte Praxis etwas beurteilen. Da gibt es schon einen Unterschied zwischen einem aktuellen Tusk-Foto und einem 100 Jahre alten Privatfoto aus Familienbesitz. Aber was muss, das muss anscheinend, Gruss und ein schönes neues Jahr --Wistula (talk) 17:24, 29 December 2010 (UTC)
"Säuberungsaktion" ist in der Tat schweres Verbalgeschütz, mit einem historischen und politischen Rucksack behaftet. Zur Sache: Wir sprechen hier über Hunderte von fremden Werken rund um deine Familiengeschichte, die du als gemeinfrei deklariert hast. Du bist in dem Glauben, dass eine Rechtsverfolgung wohl unwahrscheinlich sei. Commons hat jedoch den Anspruch eine Sammlung Freier Medien aufzubauen, die von jedermann und für jeglichen Zweck genutzt werden dürfen. Projektziel ist nicht, rechtsverletzende Dateien anzuhäufen, für die sich nur mutmaßlich und nach gefühlten Wahrscheinlichkeiten kein Kläger findet. Ich habe dir nun reichlich Unterstützung bei der Einordnung der Dateien in "Problemgruppen" und wochenlang Gelegenheit gegeben, fehlende Informationen (z.B. über Buchtitel und -veröffentlichungsdaten, die eventuell eine Gemeinfreiheit erschließen ließen) nachzutragen sowie die falschen Urhebernennungen und die Lizenzierungen zu deinen Uploads in Ordnung zu bringen. Ich habe dir Tipps gegeben, bei welchen Dateien eventuell mangelnde Schöpfungshöhe eine freie Verwendung erlauben könnte. Ich habe dich (samt Link) auf die großzügige "Hundert-Jahre-Regelung" in der deutschsprachigen Wikipedia hingewiesen, unter die du manche Dateien retten könntest. Das alles ist dir zu lästig. Kann ich bei der großen Anzahl an Dateien verstehen. Ich find's ja genauso mühselig dir hinterher zu räumen. Also werde ich versuchen, sinnvolle Pakete für Massenlöschanträge zusammenzustellen. --Martina Nolte (talk) 22:32, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
Meine Dankbarkeit für Deine Bearbeitung der von mir hochgeladenen Dateien, die ausschliesslich meine Familie betreffen, hält sich allerdings stark in Grenzen. Offenbar fühlst Du Dich berufen, im vorliegenden Falle ohne jede praktische Notwendigkeit Prinzipien zu reiten auf dass es der Welt dann besser gehe. Das erinnert allerdings an die ähnlich sympathischen Leute, die vom Fenster aus Falschparker auf der Strasse notieren und der Polizei melden. Machen das ja auch im Interesse des Gemeinwohls. Und auf wirklich historisch rucksackbehaftete Vergleiche im eifrigen Befolgen von Regeln verzichte ich jetzt. Mir ist es zwar unverständlich, welche Befriedigung jemand wie Du aus solchem Tun zieht, aber das muss ich ja auch nicht verstehen. Viel Spass beim weiteren Durchschnüffeln der von mir hochgeladenen Dateien, Du findest bestimmt noch mehr Löschfähiges. --Wistula (talk) 15:02, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
Ad hominem. No comment. --Martina Nolte (talk) 19:15, 6 January 2011 (UTC)

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Hallo Wistula, du hattest auf der Bild-Disku geschrieben, dass du bzw. deine Firma die abgebildeten Skulpturen besitzt. Das Problem ist aber, dass in den meisten Ländern das bloße Eigentum eines noch geschützten Kunstwerks nicht das Recht an dessen Abbildung verleiht. Dies liegt weiterhin beim Künstler. Falls das also in dem Land, wo diese Skulpturen stehen, nicht anders geregelt ist oder du dir von den betroffenen Künstlern auch die Abbildungsrechte hast übertragen lassen, darfst du die Abbildung, auch wenn selbst photographiert, nicht unter einer freien Lizenz hochladen. --Túrelio (talk) 14:00, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
Hallo Turelio, danke für die Info. Ich habe völliges Verfügungsrecht über die Skulpturen sowie die dazugehörenden Stellkästen, kann sie zerstören oder auch hinstellen, wo ich will - muss ich die 120kg-Dinger jetzt also erst nach draussen vor das Gebäude (Uni, also öffentlich) tragen und kurz aufstellen lassen, um sie dann dort panoramafrei zu fotografieren und gleich danach wieder reinbringen zu lassen ? Oder soll ich mir das sparen und meinen Grafiker gleich einen Aussenhintergrund hinter die Skulturen montieren lassen ... ? Im Ernst: reicht OTRS eine polnsich-sprachige Mail des Künstlers, der aber keine ihm namentlich zuzuordenbar E-Adresse hat ? Schönen Tag noch. --Wistula (talk) 15:13, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
... hat sich zwischenzeitlich erledigt, Datei wurde schon mal gelöscht. --Wistula (talk) 09:08, 10 January 2011 (UTC) Einschmelzen darf ich die Dinger, fotografieren/veröffentlichen nicht, schon lustig
Nach Eingang einer hinreichenden Freigabe kann jede gelöschte Datei wiederhergestellt werden. --Martina Nolte (talk) 22:19, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

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Martina Nolte (talk) 01:06, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

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@Sysop: Before deleting: pls have a look at this disc, I do not have time to react on all those mass deletion requests seperatly. In case, you are a German speaker, pls have a look here too rgds --Wistula (talk) 21:59, 6 January 2011 (UTC)

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I noticed you've uploaded File:342011 DSC0051.JPG and I thought I should draw your attention to a common error.

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This is just an information. New name might be File:Hotel Europejski Warschau.jpg. Renaming will be carried out by a filemover. No action at your side is required. Thank you. RE rillke questions? 16:44, 17 April 2011 (UTC)

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Thanks. I like Oboźna street and I like to find PKiN's tower appearing in different places. And luckilly it was the opportunity of low traffic allowing to shot a photo from this very point. BTW, I like many of your pictures too. Panek (talk) 08:07, 5 August 2011 (UTC)

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Wilanowska Ave. in Warsaw

Right, my edition was a mistake. In fact I thought that the Royal Tract category was attributed to the tiny Wilanowska St. in Solec, which is close to Ujazdowskie Aves., the central part of the Royal Route. It made me think this categorisation was completely wrong as I just forgot about this southmost part of Wilanowska. In a perfect world category:Aleja Wilanowska in Warsaw could be splited into subcategories like category:Aleja Wilanowska in Warsaw - north-western part and category:Aleja Wilanowska in Warsaw - south-eastern part, and the latter one would be also a subcategory of Category:Royal Tract in Warsaw. However, I don't always know, which photo was taken from which part, so I couldn't make this recategorisation completely. Panek (talk) 12:48, 26 September 2011 (UTC)

Thanks, the split in two parts is especially with this street not so beautiful, as there are quite few interesting fotos to contribute; its a long street, but kind of ugly/boring. So let's live in a unperect world so far (til they build some intersting buildings/statues alongside) ! Best regards, --Wistula (talk) 14:19, 26 September 2011 (UTC)

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Paulbe (talk) 23:01, 16 October 2011 (UTC)

Jolanta Dyr's categories

Hi, you've mentioned, that some Jolanta's categories are at your watch-list. Are you perhaps going to make some order with them? It seems Jolanta left the project, so we cannot try to persuade her to do that. I think that apart from the ensemble categories which are justified since parks and palaces usually are strongly connected, the parks should also be categorised in park categories, and the palaces in the palace ones etc., but I've got no time to study the structure of Szuster's Ensemble well enough to make it properly right now. rgrds Panek (talk) 14:20, 7 November 2011 (UTC)

Hello Panek, I would care about the Wilanów castle/park/sorrounding and the Szuster Palace/Morskie-Oko cat-groups. Not today but maybe at next weekend. Best regards --Wistula (talk) 14:49, 7 November 2011 (UTC)
Category:Park Morskie Oko incl merged Category:Szuster Palace ensemble in Warsaw and new cats Category:Ponds at Park Morskie Oko, Category:Monuments and memorials in Park Morskie Oko is fixed now, but actually I have enough, Wilanów-Palace will have to wait a bit now. rgds --Wistula (talk) 13:48, 19 November 2011 (UTC)

Well done. I've done sth with her Łazienki's cats. Panek (talk) 19:48, 19 November 2011 (UTC)

Would be more fun, if she would have picked not already so often fotographed objects. Her fotos are (at least conc the Szuster-ensemble) quite redundent. Anyway, best regards, have a nice weekend ! --Wistula (talk) 19:55, 19 November 2011 (UTC)

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Túrelio (talk) 11:47, 30 December 2011 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

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For good quality photos of Warsaw shared on commons. Hiuppo (talk) 12:55, 23 January 2012 (UTC)

Mokotów/Śródmieście

According to my Warsaw map (printed, so I can't give a link) the border of Śródmieście runs from Pl. Unii by Klonowa, Spacerowa, Podchorążych, Nowosielecka to Vistula. Conf: http://www.mapa.um.warszawa.pl/mapa/Mapa.aspx?service=Today Panek (talk) 12:58, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

So its about Łazienki, they wanted to have the park completely in Srodmiescje - makes sense. Spacerowa itself is the border, good to know, thanks --Wistula (talk) 13:55, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

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Hallo Wistula, FOP-Poland gilt nicht in Gebäuden. Wer sind die Künstler dieser beiden Werke? Wann sind sie gestorben? --Túrelio (talk) 08:34, 9 June 2012 (UTC)

Keine Ahnung, zeitgenössische Kunst, die leben sicher noch, wenns nicht geht, lösch halt bitte. --Wistula (talk) 08:39, 9 June 2012 (UTC)
Bei dem 2. Foto steht ja "Bogusław Zen und Małgorzata Koronkiewicz" in der Beschreibung. Sind das die Künstler? Dann sollte es doch möglich sein, einen davon zu kontaktieren. --Túrelio (talk) 08:49, 9 June 2012 (UTC)
Ja, das sind die Künstler gem. Broschüre, ist mit aber zu aufwändig, schmeiss halt raus, ist mir nicht so wichtig. Solange meine mit UEFA 2012-Werbung verzierten Warschauer Hochhäuser drinbleiben ;) --Wistula (talk) 08:52, 9 June 2012 (UTC)
Hab hier mal angefragt; vielleicht erbarmt sich ja jemand. --Túrelio (talk) 09:21, 9 June 2012 (UTC)
Danke, soviel Erbarmen wird es kaum geben ... --Wistula (talk) 09:23, 9 June 2012 (UTC)

Freedom of panorama in Poland exists only in public paces OUTSIDE ("streets, parks, gardens" as specified in copyright law). For sculptures inside museum you need copyright owner's permission (unless it's in public domain 70 years after sculptor death). A.J. (talk) 10:12, 15 June 2012 (UTC)

That is why I wouldn'y mind the fotos to be deleted; your colleague Turelio just thought, that eventually somebody might organize permissions by the artists - which I doubted. Rgds --Wistula (talk) 14:20, 15 June 2012 (UTC)

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Anatoliy (talk) 18:38, 9 June 2012 (UTC)

Looong name

Hey, I don't know if you speak polish, so I write in english. Are you very attached to this name Poland and Russia match at the UEFA Euro 2012, 12.06.2012‎ or I may rename it to Poland - Russia, 12 Jun 2012? ARvєδuι + 13:47, 13 June 2012 (UTC)

Not attached, feel free to change ? rgds --Wistula (talk) 15:49, 13 June 2012 (UTC)

Jolanta Dyr

Well, Jolanta Dyr apparently seems to feel offended easily, so while talking with her I try explain everything patiently and without patronising attitude. I think she learns a lot and her pictures' quality is much better than used to be the previous year (the photos you listed as the worse ones are from 2011's Wiki Loves Monuments). I discussed with her about redundancy, but we just agreed that we have other points of view. ;-) Panek (talk) 16:14, 14 October 2012 (UTC)

I got a bit the same impression, anyway things may develop, thanks and have a nice sunday eve, --Wistula (talk) 16:45, 14 October 2012 (UTC). And you are right, photos are from last year - I missed that. --Wistula (talk) 16:48, 14 October 2012 (UTC)
I see that my person has become a topic of discussion section, but it is not an honor for me, but rather a problem. I should not be the subject of a discussion, but the merits, which is commons. Would have been nicer if we could be talking about resources encyclopedia merits, and not about the people and their emotions in a more or less patronizing my dear gentlemen. It's not me in the past year, I started talking straight rather emotional mangle rather than encyclopedic publications. That you were offended Wistula last year that saw fit to take pictures of the same objects as you. I did not know the Commons, as hundreds of participants WZL2012 today and if I expected from someone comments are useful, not bashing. And you, unfortunately, until wrzałeś emotions offensive in my direction, some of them today, I sense in you. You might want to realize. Woman is a man, even if he does not respect them. I have 60 years, I am engineer by education, little seen in his life, and some have already done, and I do not need to bring up. If I'm doing something else, maybe because I'm alive. And I was doing among the young, it may be because it's what I do goes to such space in which mostly young people work. Wistula, I do not need a mediator, please, would you reconsider this in the future. And now we can move on to the substantive issues, if you gentlemen will.
Wistula - always appreciated the substantive comments and often take it to heart, just as I appreciate very much your photos and their quality, but among them go to good and bad, not to say of poor quality, so usually I go to the Critique of distance, because if you want you can always find an argument staked thesis (I am an engineer and I know a lot of cases).
I do not wish at this time to look for counter-arguments to defend their poor work. There is nothing in the way of you nominated them all to be thrown away, I will not have it to you by grief. I am well aware of the quality of many of his pictures from last year's WLZ. But I also see the "walking on the commons" hundreds of images of lower quality than mine, which odbrywają an important role in the texts published in the encyclopedia, I try to tame itself now also own emotions and more to watch than "blame".
Many of my photos have been removed last year, without asking for my permission, and perhaps good for the encyclopedia. Unfortunately, I am also aware of your emotional for me and I do not want to discuss about. This discussion led to my departure last year for several months of the Commons.
Each of the indicated by you my pictures can be removed or corrected. Some may have to do is improve, some thrown away. It should be noted, however, that the flowers in the world are similar, but not necessarily the same, and pots arranged in one way or another fit the character of the space and not another's, although the world are similar to each other. No need to share my opinion, but let me be I had. In particular, such spaces as the conservatory, which chose my pictures of flowers. Do not like them, please nominate it for deletion.
For me there is a problem go to the Wilanów because I live 1.5 km from him today and make quality images of the same object, except perhaps flowers that have long faded and been replaced this year with new plantings. The conservatory comes to admire the flowers, discounts, how they are planting and arrangement of space. One of the elements of this place are flowers and donc. Flowers specific to this time and place. For the gardener and the nature of space. I'm not a botanist, and I can not call them, but it seems to me that it is the composition of the space of the picture. Another thing, if I can show, or not. Then I could - please nominate these pictures to be deleted.
Wistula - I have no desire for emotional discussions with you, either now or in the future, but if you have ever important substantive comments, you will know them happy, because that always bring benefits not only for me but for the place and time in which both what we do not only for themselves.
You're right, sometimes less is more.
Sincerely, thanks for your valuable comments - --Jolanya Dyr (talk) 13:00, 15 October 2012 (UTC)
ps sorry my english if it is infested with the bugs, but on a daily basis do not speak English and now I use a translator.
Jolanta Dyr, I understand, what you mean, thanks for the feedback. I just would like to have good photos at Commons - at least in areas in which I am quite active and about which I care. That is not connected with you personally, so no offense. Kind regards, --Wistula (talk) 13:09, 15 October 2012 (UTC)
-))sorry my English --Jolanya Dyr (talk) 13:57, 15 October 2012 (UTC)

Mosty w Wilanowie

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Hallo, Jolanta Dyr, Wilanów Królewskie ma (blisko ul Wiertnica) trzy mostu:

Czy pani jest pewno, że zabytek: Mostek, 1 poł. XIX, ul. Wiertnicza, 639/33 z 2.1973 jest most na zdjecie ? pozdr. --Wistula (talk) 16:18, 19 October 2012 (UTC)

Welcome Wistula

in response to your question - as far as I can understand the available resources, I am confident about the location of the bridge and its historic character. As the pictures show, these are three different bridges, and all three may be historic in nature and probably they have.

I introduced today three files for a moment that soon I will remove [5]:

  • Currently Streets Wiertnicza and Przyczółkowa meet each other at a height of Wilanowska Avenue. In 1988, the course of the street was a bit different - the plan is evident [File: 0 - Wilanow - Plan of 1988r.jpg]. Today between the streets Janczarów and Vogel is not ul Wiertnicza but is ul.Kostki-Potocki.
  • In the study of conditions and directions of development of Warsaw - [File:0 - Wilanow - study uwarunkowan.jpg] bridge, which I have indicated as historical is shown near the streets Wiertnicza and Przyczółkowa - for so this is my place, which I have indicated.
  • The third picture sent to the commons today to plan Wilanów monuments within and around the Palace [File: 0 - Wilanow - przewodnik.jpg].

These three bridges actually exist in Wilanów, are located in the area known as "The Royal Wilanów", and have a historic character. For me everything is okay with them. The categories in the Commons it is all right.

I tried to explain everything as best I can. I hope that I have succeeded. If you do not - I'm sorry. There is nothing more I can do. Regards --Jolanya Dyr (talk) 09:50, 21 October 2012 (UTC)

Small, thin booklet Fri "Wilanów" - unless his own publishing Museum in Wilanów. I bought it (5 zł) in the Orangery. There is no footer publishing. Jadwiga Mieleszko text, photos, several authors. In Polish probably not available, there may still be purchased in German or English. Unusual size 19.7 * 19.2 cm.--Jolanya Dyr (talk) 14:47, 21 October 2012 (UTC)

The pleasure is mine - if I could help you. :)) - --Jolanya Dyr (talk) 15:18, 21 October 2012 (UTC)

Re: thumb|... foto !!

Thanks a lot :) Recently I'm active in another project in places visited by you, too. Best wishes, --Hiuppo (talk) 10:07, 11 November 2012 (UTC)

I'm still tired with wikipedia. Maybe I'll be back in bright future. --Hiuppo (talk) 19:42, 11 November 2012 (UTC)

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Hello - today I put out an order to remove all my photos indicated once by you. You were right - they were poor quality. Now I am ashamed of the unnecessary discussion. I should have listened to you.

Wistula - very sorry for it. Forgive me please. And if you find that some my work is poor quality or does not make sense, please let me know. In fact, I appreciate your comments and experience. Yours sincerely.--Jolanya Dyr (talk) 12:00, 5 April 2013 (UTC)

Czeszcz, Jolanta Dyr, thanks for the info; I guess, in the begin all of us do some mistakes, no problem, have fun furtheron at Commons ! Pozdrowienia --Wistula (talk) 13:48, 5 April 2013 (UTC)

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Hallo Wistula, bitte vergib eine passende Lizenz für dieses Foto. Auch wenn der Bucheinband nicht mehr geschützt ist, so ist dein Foto davon doch ein eigenständiges Werk. Gruß, De728631 (talk) 10:57, 7 April 2013 (UTC)

Liebe/r DE728631, danke fuer den Hinweis. Du meinst, ich als Scanner des Werkes muesste selbst noch eine Erlaubnis zur Nutzung erteilen? Meinst Du also damit, dass ich jetzt Autor des Fotos/Scans geworden bin ? Dbgl gab es bei früheren Disks auch schon andere Ansichten, da hatte ich mich als Autor eingestellt, was als falsch kritisiert wurde. Wie auch immer: ich habe gerade 19 dieser Coverscans (alle Vorlagen aelter als 100 Jahre) eingestellt. Bitte zeige mir an vorliegendem Beispiel doch einmal, wie ich Deiner Meinung nach meine Genehmigung zu freier Weiternutzung einstellen soll, Danke im Vorab und Gruss --Wistula (talk) 11:07, 7 April 2013 (UTC)
Bei solchen Scans/Abbildungen kommt es immer darauf an, ob die Vorlage und das Ergebnis wirklich zweidimensional sind (Gemälde, Fotos), oder, wie in diesem Fall, 3D (Skulpturen, Architektur, Bücher inkl. Ränder und Falze). Ich würde daher einfach irgendeine freie Lizenz wählen, z. B. {{cc-by-sa-3.0}} wie beim Bahnhof Friedland, und zusätzlich {{PD-art-70-3d}}. Bei wirklich flachen, rand- und rahmenlosen 2D-Scans braucht man tatsächlich keine weitere Lizenz, da hier die Reproduktion als gleichwerting zum abgelaufenen Original angesehen wird. De728631 (talk) 13:59, 7 April 2013 (UTC)
Habe die 3.0 Lizenz jetzt mal nachgeschoben, danke, --Wistula (talk) 15:15, 7 April 2013 (UTC)

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