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„Marmor“

Lieber Datei- und Kategoriesortierer Zaccarias, verbesserte Sortierstrukturen halte ich für begrüßenswert. Einige Zuordnungen habe ich wieder verändern müssen. Bitte mal mit dem Marmorbegriff eingehender vertraut machen. Es ist auch nicht so, dass jede Natursteinbezeichnung, die einen Ortsnamen enthält, gleichzeitig dadurch auf den Abbauort des Gesteins verweist und deshalb unter dem augenscheinlich plausiblen Ort kategorisiert werden sollte (z.B. Saalburger Marmor). Eine ganze Reihe von Bildern, die irgendwie mit „marble“ oder „marbre“ oder „marmol“ beschriftet wurden, sind entgegen der bisherigen Kategorisierung „metamorphic rocks in ....“ (also hier Marmor im Sinne der Gesteinsnomenklatur) keine solche, sondern in sehr vielen Fällen farbige, gebänderte usw. Kalksteine. Demnach als „Sedimentary rocks in ...“ zu kategorisieren. Um das zu unterscheiden, muss man die Dekorationsgesteine im einzelnen kennen oder spezielle Literatur heranziehen. Zum Marmorbegriff außerhalb der Geowissenschaften siehe den Link oben. Fragen beantworte ich gern. Einen guten Rutsch wünscht mit besten Grüßen --Lysippos (talk) 21:08, 31 December 2017 (UTC)

Lieber @Lysippos: , erstmal wünsche ich dir alles Gute im neuen Jahr.
Die Dateien von Marmor bzw. Kalksteinen habe ich deswegen angefasst, weil einige dieser Dateien in dieser Wartungskategorie bzw. teils auch in einer ähnlichen anders datierten aufgeschienen sind. Dabei geht es zunächst einmal darum, zu prüfen, ob der automatische Transfer nach Commons rechtens abgelaufen ist, also die Lizenz- Autor- und eventuelle weitere Angaben korrekt sind. Wenn ich eine Datei zu Gesicht bekomme, nehme ich gewohnheitsmäßig – sofern möglich – auch eine grobe Kategorisierung vor. Da noch nicht einsortierte Dateien sehr oft wild durcheinander gemischt aufzufinden sind, ergibt sich zwangsläufig die Notwendigkeit zunächst einmal eine grobe Sortierung vorzunehmen. In einer solchen Situation ist es unmöglich, bei allen Dateien, die man anfassen muss, fachlich versiert zu sein. Im Allgemeinen versucht man das zwar zu umgehen (ich jedenfalls), indem man nur sehr grob kategorisiert und die Feinsortierung den jeweiligen Fachautoren überlässt. Gelegentlich passiert es halt, dass man eine Kategorie zuweist, in die die entsprechende Datei eigentlich nicht hineingehört.
Danke jedenfalls für den Hinweis, dass Sortenbezeichnungen mit Ortsnamen nicht mit dem Abbauort gleichzusetzen sind. In dieser Hinsicht war meine Zuweisung nicht zielführend. Derartige Kategorisierungen werde ich künftig unterlassen. Dazu möchte ich allerdings auch anmerken, dass Mediendateien auf Commons immer durch ihren Inhalt sowie ihrer ergänzenden Beschreibung definiert sind bzw. sein sollten. Kategorien dienen nur der Sortierung, sollen aber keine ergänzende Beschreibung bzw. Klassifizierung darstellen oder ersetzen.
Was die Thematik marble / limestone angeht, war mir diese Problematik schon ansatzweise bewusst. Hier herrscht auf Commons mit Sicherheit ein Chaos. Es fängt ja schon damit an, dass die Kategorien "marbles from..." keine wirkliche Definition haben. Natürlich gibt es eine Kategoriestruktur, die Rückschlüsse oder Interpretationen auf den Zweck einzelner Kategorien zulässt. Dennoch sollte jede Kategorie für sich exakt definiert sein; eine Anforderung die aufgrund der Mehrsprachigkeit in vielen Fällen noch zusätzlich erschwert wird. Im Hinblick auf Nomenklatur, echten / unechten Marmor bzw. Gestein welches zwar als "marble" bezeichnet wird, aber im geologischen Sinne gar kein Marmor ist, gibt es hier sicher viel zu tun. Danke jedenfalls für deine Korrekturen. Beste Grüße Zaccarias (talk) 16:00, 2 January 2018 (UTC)

Lieber Zaccarias, danke für Deine ausführliche Antwort. Natürlich besteht kein Rechtfertigungsgrund dafür, wenn mal die eine oder andere Kat schief geht. Mir ging es um die Sensibilisierung bei diesem "Minenfeld". Diese stark voneinander abweichenden Anwendungsfälle des Begriffs „Marmor“ sind verständlicherweise nicht so sehr bekannt. Ich stimme Dir zu, es herrscht hier tatsächlich Chaos. Vermutlich wird es auch künftig immer wieder zu unklaren Einordnungen kommen. Dein Vorschlag zur Definition von Kategorien halte ich für den einzigen sinnvollen vorbeugenden Schritt. Ich denke mal in den nächsten Tagen über eine kurze-straffe Eingangsformulierung nach. Es wird trotzdem erneut von Uploadern zu irreführenden Beschriftungen kommen, weil manchmal solche Informationen in Touristenführern und Sachbüchern enthalten sind. Bitte lasse Dich aber von weiteren Kategorisierungen in diesem Bereich nicht abhalten. Es lässt sich in den Einzelfällen ja stets ändern. Ortsnamen sind in vielen Fällen mit dem Abbauort identisch, nur manchmal nicht. Dafür gibt es gute Gründe, die jedoch nicht auf geowissenschaftlicher Basis zu erklären sind. Den Fall Saalburg oder ähnliche nicht im Detail zu kennen, ist kein Fauxpas.
Die konkrete Zuordnung zu Marmor oder Kalkstein oder etwas noch anderes ist in manchen Fällen wirklich nicht leicht zu treffen. Hin und wieder schaue ich mit rein. Herzliche Grüße --Lysippos (talk) 21:23, 2 January 2018 (UTC)

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File:Billie76.JPG

This is not a radar image but a satellite image. I had to correct your edition (https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=File:Billie76.JPG&diff=291470271&oldid=210447349).

Pierre cb (talk) 19:56, 18 March 2018 (UTC)

@Pierre cb: . No problem. Thank you. I remember that I was unsure when I've added the category. Sorry. I try to be more careful in the future. --Zaccarias (talk) 20:00, 18 March 2018 (UTC)
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Category reversion

You reverted my removal of the image File:August, 1971. STUDENT TEAM AT WORK WITH HAER PHOTOGRAPHER. - Utah Power Company, Granite Hydroelectric Plant, Holladay, Salt Lake County, UT HAER UTAH,18-HOLD,2-5.tif from Category:Historic American Buildings Survey photographers. You do realize that this is the only HAER image of any structure anywhere in the U.S. in this category? This is also a redundancy because the actual photographer of the image also has his images in a subcategory in the directory tree of which this image is also categorized. For these reasons I removed the image from this parent category. I realize that one of the people captured in the image is an unidentified HAER photographer. I don't feel that this alone is sufficiently noteworthy for inclusion in a category aimed towards identifying works by their creators rather than their subjects. If, however, you can determine which photographer who also was taking pictures at the Granite Hydroelectric Plant in 1971 is depicted in the photo, then the image should be categorized in his subcategory. Fortguy (talk) 06:17, 4 April 2018 (UTC)

@Fortguy: : Thanks for your reply. The main reason for my revert is that you have removed the image from the category without taking account of that it shows a photographer involved in this project and that this person should be listed somewhere where he can possibly be found. On your remark that you recognize Category:Historic American Buildings Survey photographers to be a category aimed towards identifying works by their creators rather than their subjects I have to say that this wasn't clear for me at the time when I did my revert. In my opinion you can't tell that just by looking at the category page (which should be the only source of an exact definition). You are right that the listed subcategories and files imply to be this main category defined as one sorting works by their authors but such a definition should be made on the category page itself.
In comparison to the HABS photographers category (on which I didn't spend much time) you may want to take a look at Category:American Civil War photographers (in which I've invested many hours in finding and sorting images and subcategories and performing maintenance work.) This category system also presents information and images on the photographers not only on their works. (Currently it also contains two images in the main category showing photographers at work which should be sorted into a better place. This will eventually happen.)
I have revised the categories of the image file which you have mentioned: [1] Do you agree? --Zaccarias (talk) 20:10, 4 April 2018 (UTC)
Yes, looks great! Fortguy (talk) 20:59, 4 April 2018 (UTC)
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World map rename - what set

In Special:Diff/295915454 you renamed a world map according to "Criterion 4 (harmonizing names of file set) · Harmonizing name with the rest of the category)". Did you check what set that was? I am worried that the user just wanted English names on files in a category he/she was working on. That is no reason for renaming. --LPfi (talk) 04:31, 7 April 2018 (UTC)

@LPfi: These were the file renamings which I've performed yesterday.

  • It seemed to me that the users intention was to distinguish between a simplified and a detailed map and not just to switch to English filenames.
  • For me these three images form a set because they focus on the same topic and are very similar and also are listed in the same category.
  • The users request appeared okay for me. I assumed good faith and performed the move.

Personally I don't care that much about filenames and only do renamings of obvious errors when editing all by myself. When other people request files to be renamed I tend to decline their requests when I am not convinced. So I appreciate your concern about the necessity of renames.--Zaccarias (talk) 13:57, 7 April 2018 (UTC)

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UN Altar

Dear Zaccarias, I changed the information added by you about the Un headquarters because the picture was taken by myself on Altamira, Caracas. Also, the article that you are using like reference tell that Maria Corina after to come from the Maiquetia Airport (Venezuela) she traveled to Altamira (UN headquarters in Venezuela is situed on Altamira, Caracas city, Venezuela). Thanks for your time and interest about the Venezuela situation. --The Photographer 13:01, 7 April 2018 (UTC)

@The Photographer: Thanks for your reply. I was just a little confused because the term UN headquarters normally refers to the United Nations in New York City, see Category:Headquarters of the United Nations. I have revised the categories once again and also changed the description slightly. Please check again. Do we still need the weblink I have taken from en.wp? This refers to a protest related to Venezuela but at the UN in Brazil, doesn't it? --Zaccarias (talk) 13:22, 7 April 2018 (UTC)
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Multilingual captions testing is available

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Frederick Eugene Durbec

Greetings and thank you for your attention to this 19th-century American photographer whose name is Frederick Eugene Durbec not F. E. Durbec as you kindly suggested. You may consult the LOC press-release, Library of Congress Acquires Rare Civil War Stereographs to learn more about Durbec and his business partner James M. Osborn. With best wishes, --Taterian (talk) 06:28, 5 May 2018 (UTC)

@Taterian: Thanks for your reply. I have used the name F. E. Durbec because it is used this way in the Photographers' Identities Catalog of the NYPL (1). If other sources such as the LOC are using his full name I'am fine to also apply this in Wikipedia as well.
"also we are not in Kansas anymore" ... I did not just reverted one of your edits I also gave you an explanation for it. By the way: Don't complain about getting your edits undone when you also act in the same way: Since I was the one who initially created the category my edit was also refused in some way when you move the category (but you did it whithout any explanation). Best regards. --Zaccarias (talk) 06:44, 5 May 2018 (UTC)
@Zaccarias: O-oops, sorry, I did not mean to hurt you feelings with my redirect... (blushing). Also, WP, that you mentioned while reverting, clearly reads, "In 1858, James M. Osborn (1811–1868), a 47 year old daguerreian, native of New York, living in Charleston, S.C., joined forces with 22 year old Charleston native, Frederick Eugene Durbec (1836–1894). Both were soon to become among the war's first photographers..." Photographers of the American Civil War#Osborn & Durbec. And all pioneers and ground-breakers deserve some respect, you know, at least full name mentioned somewhere. So, next time please do consult WP before reverting other editors or slip them a note, you know, asking what's going around. By the way, do you want me to correct wikidata or gonna do it yourself? Thank you, --Taterian (talk) 07:10, 5 May 2018 (UTC)
@Taterian: . Wikidata is okay now. I have also applied the full name there. Best regards. --Zaccarias (talk) 07:17, 5 May 2018 (UTC)
Cool! Take care, and good luck. --Taterian (talk) 06:21, 6 May 2018 (UTC)
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Austria is not Australia

Siehe - there are no cangaroos in ;-) --K@rl (talk) 13:45, 10 May 2018 (UTC)

@Karl Gruber: Danke für die Korrektur. Ich meinte natürlich Österreich habe mich aber wohl vertippt. --Zaccarias (talk) 13:47, 10 May 2018 (UTC)
Dachte ich eh, wollte es nur gesagt haben :-) --K@rl (talk) 14:46, 10 May 2018 (UTC)
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Proposed Letgo deletion

Hi,

You have proposed deletion of File:Letgo listing page.jpg and File:Letgo feed.png. I think you did not see that the e-mail below had been sent by letgo, the copyright holder, to permissions. Can you resolve the deletion request?

Many thanks. BC1278 (talk) 17:25, 15 May 2018 (UTC)BC1278

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