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Schemat Trójcy Świętej[edit]

Moim zdaniem tak grafika jest kompletnie niepotrzebna: nikomu nie pomoże zrozumieć dogmatu o jedności trójcy, to raz, a dwa: może wywołać kontrowersje. Mianowicie: katolicy twierdzą, że Duch pochodzi "od Ojca i Syna", natomiast prawosławni że "od Ojca przez Syna". Nawet na torturach nie potrafiłbym powiedzieć jaka jest różnica, bo to ciężka teologia, ale Twoja grafika ewidentnie bardziej pasuje do prawosławnej niż do katolickiej wersji, bo "Duch" jest całkiem otoczony "Synem" i wogóle nie styka się z "Ojcem"... Po trzecie: wybacz, ale przedstawianie prawd religijnych na obrazkach kojarzy mi się z katechezą w pierwszej klasie, a nie z encyklopedią :) A.J. 14:23, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

Image:Rhyssa persuasoria.jpg[edit]

Hello, do you have any proof that this file is CC licensed? I can not find it on the source site [1]. -- Bryan (talk to me) 13:20, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

Thank you. Can you add a link to that resource list on all images that came from that website? Then other users won't be confused about the license anymore. Thanks. -- Bryan (talk to me) 09:14, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

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Jacek Cygan[edit]

Jak wynika z opisu zdjęcia nie jestem jego autorką, w opisie jest również napisane skąd ono pochodzi czyli z pl.wikipedia, możesz sobie jeszcze poczytać dyskusję dotyczącą głosowania grafiki na medal. Tam jest napisane, że autor Beno więc jego może pytaj. Ja jak przenosiłam zdjęcie na Commons to były takie dane jak przy zdjęciu. Więcej w śledztwie nie jestem Ci wstanie pomóc. Pozdrawiam Ala z 09:39, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

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Please, authorization must be sent to the Commons:OTRS system. Thank you. Dantadd 19:25, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

The OTRS system is the only way to guarantee the honesty of an authorization. Unfortunately it's not possible to accept statements made by users (I can take a picture from the internet then declare I have an authorization that in fact I don't have). Another problem lies on the terms of each license: a lot of times the person that authorizes the use of a picture thinks that the image will be used only in Wikipedia, what isn't true. The OTRS is necessary to avoid futher problems, such as "I didn't give any authorization" or "The authorization I gave applied only for Wikipedia". Dantadd 22:27, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

Flickr images[edit]

Hi Zureks. Thanks for your uploads. When uploading images from flickr, please tag the page with {{flickrreview}}, so an administrator or bot can verify the status. Thanks. Patstuart 19:11, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

Why? I personally contacted the author (who by the way is on every single photo I am uploading here) and all the images are tagged with CC-BY so there is no confusion there whatsoever. --Zureks 19:15, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
It's simply a policy we have on commons. It's vaguely outlined at Commons:Flickr images. It's not that we don't trust you (in fact, your uploads were correct in this instance), it's that sometimes people mistag images from flickr (happens with surprising frequency), or someone from flickr will change their license; we need verification that all is kosher. Patstuart 19:18, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
OK. Thanks. So do you want me to tag the rest of them (around 1300) or should I just keep this tag off? --Zureks 19:21, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
Goodness, if you've uploaded all of those from flickr, I would say you should tag them, yes. You might ask for help at the village pump in having a bot do it though. Patstuart 19:23, 28 October 2007 (UTC)


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Images from http://www.voelkerstudio.com[edit]

Would you please instead do a mass nomination for these? Unless the reason for deletion is very clear, I would not speedy so many images, since uploading so many is not an easy mistake to make. – Mike.lifeguard | @en.wb 04:47, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

Commons:Administrators/Requests and votes/Zureks[edit]

Hi,

I've closed this RfA as there is very little chance of it passing; community consensus seems fairly clear.

Please take on board the advice there, and good luck in the future.

Regards,
giggy (:O) 01:43, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

en.wikipedia.org Photos on Osteotomy[edit]

A user asked a question about your photos at Osteotomy on the English Wikipedia. Do these photos show *only* an osteotomy, or an osteotomy + other surgery (e.g., knee reconstruction)? 66.124.70.107 20:16, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

Induction Motor[edit]

High, nice picture. Can you send me the datas of the name plate (at least the nominal power)? Thank you.--Kölscher Pitter (talk) 07:50, 21 June 2008 (UTC) (Silniki by Zureks.jpg) is the picture name.--93.129.182.185 09:24, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

Czubówna[edit]

Krystyna_Czubówna - przecież to jest straszne; jedna fotka jak od wiejskiego fotografa, a pozostałe trochę uwłaczają (IMHO)... Picus viridis RSVP? 20:46, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

  • Podobnie jak z fotką Redlińskiego - usunąć (była o to straszna awantura, chyba nawet na OTRS). Picus viridis RSVP? 21:28, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

usuwanie "watermarków"[edit]

Zauważyłem, że skutecznie umiałeś zlikwidować podpis, który wkleja w swoje panoramy niejaki user:Lukaszprzy. Jeśli to nie odbyło się kosztem "obcięcia" fotki, to czy udałoby Ci się to samo z panoramą Image:Wroclaw18395.jpg?

Pozdrawiam Julo (talk) 17:08, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

  • Ja tam zupełnie nie widzę żadnych usterek. Dzięki. Julo (talk) 18:13, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

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Technical problem with Image:Martin_Evans_Nobel_Prize.jpg[edit]

Hi. There seems to be something odd going on with Image:Martin_Evans_Nobel_Prize.jpg: specifically, the file size and image dimensions recorded in the Commons database don't seem to match the actual file. This might be because someone — possibly you — uploaded a new version of it at some point, but due to a software bug the upload wasn't properly recorded as a new version, and ended up silently overwriting the original file instead. I'd appreciate it if you could check the image and reupload either the current version (to simply correct the database record) or whatever version you think should be there. Thanks in advance, and sorry to bother you with this. —Ilmari Karonen (talk) 22:05, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

Image:Nancy Cartwright.jpg[edit]

Hello, I'm trying to use the article on the Bart Simpson article at the en-wikipedia, which is a FAC, and I'm told that the image needs to go through OTRS. I don't suppose you still have a copy of the e-mail in which permission was given to you to use it? (if you don't mind, could you please respond here? I rarely check Commons). Thanks, Scorpion0422 (talk) 01:10, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

FAC. In order for us to be able to use the image, you need to confirm it through OTRS. So, if you still have a copy of the e-mail, you'll need to forward it to the address provided at

OTRS page. -- Scorpion0422 (talk) 19:58, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

Image:Evolution of dinosaurs by Zureks.svg[edit]

I just came across this drawing of yours which shows the evolution of dinosaurs and birds. I just wanted to say how incredibly clear and informative it is. It is definitely one of the most helpful diagrams I've encountered on Wikipedia. Thank you for creating it. Dappawit (talk) 03:58, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

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Image permissions[edit]

Thanks for fixing that, I had copied the information from another image I uploaded, and forgot to change the license. Just to let you know, you forgot to remove the OTRS pending template on File:BrandonTJackson09.jpg, so I think we're even. No just kidding, you're way ahead by completing so many of the image permissions, and I really appreciate it. Thanks for all of your help and happy editing! --Nehrams2020 (talk) 22:19, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

A Flickr user who's images I have been uploading has also uploaded some images on the German Wikipedia. I moved them to commons, but one of the images (File:DanielPowterJan09.jpg) had an OTRS ticket on it (I copied it here, click edit on your talk page to see the details within the template: Template:URV-OTRS). Is there a way to transfer that ticket to this image here? I had used the CommonsMover tool and it didn't transfer the ticket. Also the other image that I moved (File:MarcForsterColorNov08.jpg) was the exact same image as File:MarcForsterNov08.jpg except it's color. I copied the OTRS ticket from my first upload to the new one. Is that okay or do you have to redo the OTRS ticket for that one as well? Let me know if you have any questions. --Nehrams2020 (talk) 00:33, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

Tip: Categorizing images[edit]

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Tip: Add categories to your images

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Equation for hysteresis[edit]

File:B-H loop.png

What is the equation of the curve?

(Reply here) 218.186.12.210 12:27, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

  • No equation. This is measured data. Please be curtous to others and log in. Zureks (talk) 13:34, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

File:PWM, 3-level.svg[edit]

PWM, 3-level.svg

Thank you for the great diagram. It is really nice!!!

Photohound (talk) 04:22, 3 February 2009 (UTC)


File:Artur_Wichniarek.jpg[edit]

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OTRS tickets[edit]

Hi Stan is this the Stan Zurek who deals with OTRS ticketing. Its just I have a number of OTRS tickets outstanding and am concerned that they haven't been sorted out yet. I think the OTRS ticketing is too slow. I think the commons should accept the emails I send them which state "Wikipedia is granted the use of images under Creative Commons Attribution 3.0". Its time I was trusted as a user on here. Its just you having to chase up every agreement to confirm it is the truth is too tedious. It is also not a good idea sending people emails saying we reserve the right to mess with your work and create deriratives etc. Most people are fully aware of the attribution license but if you rub it in that people can profit from their work they are likely to change their mind and rethink. I am going to great lengths to make these agreements so I'd appreciate it if it could be done more easily.Dr. Blofeld (talk) 22:43, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Undeletion_requests/Current_requests#A_few_files_to_undelete[edit]

Hello,

I didn't undelete the pictures yet, when I look at them the look like scans from magazines. The images are in very bad quality and like from a time period within 20 years.

Are you sure the permission is valid?

Best regards, Abigor talk 05:24, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for your fast response, I will use agf and undelete the files later today. Your right that it can be scans from photos :) Abigor talk 09:40, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

Thanks[edit]

Thank you for the barnstars, I appreciate it! Please realize that you put in just as much work as me in adding the permission for each image. I'll keep up with adding the images and I hope you're there to prevent them from getting deleted. Thanks again and happy editing! --Nehrams2020 (talk) 20:56, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

OTRS[edit]

Thanks for your help! Finn Rindahl (talk) 23:21, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

File:Mayor Willie Mount.jpg[edit]

Thanks for notifying me. The file page now says the permission was double checked. Does this mean the issue is dealt with? Best wishes. Hekerui (talk) 08:12, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

Oman images[edit]

Hello Stan. A very kind Dutchman has changed the licenses on all his Oman images here per request. Extremely kind of him. Can you help me upload the ones (excluding the ones of himself and family of course) to the commons?Dr. Blofeld (talk) 13:50, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

LOL not every agreement has to go through OTRS. Some editors are willing to change the licensing on flickr thesmevles which in my view saves a lot of trouble! Don't worry we now have around 250 images from Oman uploaded.Dr. Blofeld (talk) 12:00, 7 June 2009 (UTC)


I'm being spammed in the commons with deletion warning messages, including the Michael Crichton image, images I was under the impression I had sent commons permission to back in January. Given that I receive hundreds of emails every month I doubt I have the emails of confirmation any longer. Perhaps you could be so kind as to at least contact Jon Chase of Harvard for File:MichaelCrichton.jpg in the source provided on that image to stop these images being unnecessrily deleted? Dr. Blofeld White cat 21:07, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

Thanks! Tis OK now. I have two Liberian agreement in the mix too, depsnds on the users internet connections.Dr. Blofeld (talk) 21:33, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

File tagging File:Robert Czebotar.jpg[edit]

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File source is not properly indicated: File:Touch_and_Go.JPG[edit]

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File:StacyKeachMay07.jpg[edit]

After I uploaded the image, I sent the author a message detailing where the image was located as well as how the author's name was attributed. I asked if she had any questions about the image and she didn't point out any problems. By the way a lot of authors ask where/when the image will be released, namely since they want to be able to see the image being used on the Wikipedia article(s). That's why I always send thank you/informational notices to the authors after I upload their images. Let me know if you need any further clarification. --Nehrams2020 (talk) 17:22, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

The message was sent through Flickr mail, so I don't get a copy of the mail sent to my e-mail. Do you want me to copy the message that I sent (and either paste it into a new e-mail or paste here on your talk page)? It's basically the same message I use for all authors once they give permission to allow use of the image. --Nehrams2020 (talk) 07:01, 19 July 2009 (UTC)
I copied the message and replied to your initial e-mail to me. Let me know if any further action is necessary. --Nehrams2020 (talk) 20:25, 19 July 2009 (UTC)


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File tagging File:Karuzela_kram1976.jpg[edit]

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File tagging File:KRAM_do_plakatu_PSJ.jpg[edit]

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File tagging File:Agnieszka_Perepeczko.jpg[edit]

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