Category talk:Jewish people of Czechia

Move proposal

The category contains "Jewish people from what is today the Czech Republic" - which however exists only since 1993 as an independent nation - so the wording "Jewish people of the Czech Republic" is far from the accurate one - given that it contains many people who lived before the Czech republic came into existence.--2A00:1028:83BE:4392:96A:F17:6F07:A9E1 19:07, 3 August 2017 (UTC)

The proposal to rename Category:Jewish people of the Czech Republic to Category:Czech Jews in inconsistent with sister categories from Category:Jewish people by country. Except for Category:Yemenite Jews‎, no other category uses that format – 71 categories use the unified format "Jewish people of (country)"

Czechia existed since time immemorial de facto, but has its own separate republic even since 1969, and since 1993, the republic stopped to be a member of a federation. The solution is to use for Czechia a timeless geographical name as for majority of other countries, not a name of a recent and volatile state structure. We can't to solve it until this general discussion about Czech categories is closed.

Beside it, the argumentation has some mess in the term "nation". Czechs are a specific nation at least since the Middle Ages, although states, regimes and borders changed many times. When several nations have their one common unitary republic, they don't abolish identity of these nations. There exist multinational countries and states, and some nations have more than one state. Many Czechs (and Czech Jews also) live outside Czechia. This category tree accents the geographical origin, not the national (ethnic, language) affiliation to Czechs. Many Jews from Czechia were German-language and are not Czechs by nationality (distinguish from citizenship), and possibly, some Czech-language Jews were never in Czechia. --ŠJů (talk) 16:04, 4 September 2017 (UTC)

Czech republic is quite different from the other examples in this category, as it had no indepedent existence before 1993. It's more similar to the Yemenite Jews example, which also covers multiple historical states existing on the Yemen territory.

Perhaps "Czechia existed since time immemorial de facto", but you've failed to mention that

a) the name was not used internationally,

b) this category is named "Jewish people of the Czech Republic" not "Jewish people of Czechia".

"not a name of a recent and volatile state structure"

Such as the Czech republic? That's obviously a reason for renaming the ctaegory to Czech jews, don't you think?

"Many Jews from Czechia were German-language and are not Czechs by nationality"

Please look up the article en:nation. It would not be helpful at all if you'd keep confusing nationality with ethnicity.-2A00:1028:83BE:4392:C12D:FE7:EA8A:BDFC 18:42, 4 September 2017 (UTC)

So - if there are no more objections, can someone move the category as per the proposal, please? -2A00:1028:83BE:4392:C862:DC4B:680D:A51B 22:03, 10 September 2017 (UTC)

As no one expressed any more objections (and some of them were based upon confusion between nationality and ethnicity), could the move

Nevertheless - after further consideration - it would perhaps be easier the other way around - i.e. to create new Category:Czech Jews and this one could then be a subcategory for Jews from the relatively recent Czech republic? Thus the Czech people of Jewish origin, living earlier in the past would not be categorised in a category tied to 'a recent and volatile state structure'. Any objections or suggestions?-2A00:1028:83BE:4392:8490:41AB:E6D:8F5C 16:13, 5 October 2017 (UTC)