File talk:Flag of the Empire of Vietnam (1945).svg

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About the [edit]

So you mean the trigram Ly/Lí (☲) having spacing for all sides, all right? Let me investigate first. --Great Brightstar (talk) 06:49, 18 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • You're pretty exactly, any false in the ratio, however it's not important. In reality, this ratio was used as some flags of Vietnamese nationalist movement. This flag was designed hurrily, so it's not nice :D. However, we have to respect the history. So Thank You ! (2405:4802:358:2170:954B:1FEA:F63B:FBB 07:57, 19 August 2021 (UTC))[reply]
  • This form (#FFFF00, #EF4135) which I have supplied to TTXVA channel since 2013. The image was shotted by me in Hanoian historic museum. It corresponding to some flags of Vietnamese revolutionary national movements about 1930-40 and it was like the source of South Vietnam's national flag. Three or four red stripes symbolized Vietnamese national spirit and opposited Communist's hammer&sickle. Besides, html code of the red is #EF4135, it is very different Vietnamese communist flag (#DA251D). I uploaded it to wikipedia from 2018, howeved user "Donald Trung" deleted and he said "destructive". But now he steals our information in TTXVA and used for the smearing Vietnamese nations. If he was Vietnamese citizen, so he will come in prison about 3-8 years certainly. I'm sorry, but you can't truth "Donald Trung". He was born in Netherlands and he couldn't speak Vietnamese language and so he doesn't know our fatherland's history. I can forgive him for his imbecility, but you had better to refer our Vietnamese persons. You can't copy one person who doesn't understand Vietnam and never live in Vietnam as us. Thank you very much ! (27.68.139.221 09:26, 23 August 2021 (UTC))[reply]

— Preceding unsigned comment was added by 2405:4802:11D:7B00:C5FA:690D:65A3:D017 (talk) 10:24, 23 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

This user commonly claims "saw this flag" but never provides any photographic evidence, take anything they say with a mountain of salt. First sources, then changes. They're trying to use you to make their fantasies look more legitimate. --Donald Trung 『徵國單』 (No Fake News 💬) (WikiProject Numismatics 💴) (Articles 📚) 12:38, 24 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

 

    • The above user is notorious for spreading false information about Vietnamese history and is the origin for most false information on Vietnamese history on Wikimedia websites. People constantly have to correct his hoaxes and almost everyone at Viwiki hates him for how little he seems to be able to grasp basic concepts. See this entire page for an example where people discuss the misinformation he likes adding to Wikimedia websites. If "Musée Annam" gets banned from discussing Vietnamese history today the world would be a better place. I would understand if they actually were right once a while but they have a notriously bad track record and are incapable of ever sourcing anything. It's best to ignore this troll. --Donald Trung 『徵國單』 (No Fake News 💬) (WikiProject Numismatics 💴) (Articles 📚) 12:33, 23 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
      My comment, which was deleted by Mr. IP above, or vi:User:C:

      "Hi. I am here to tell you that 27.68.139.221 (C) was blocked and banned indefinitely on vi.wikipedia due to long term abuse, making hoaxes, including files that contain false information, and cross-wiki harassing."

      Unnamed UserName me 16:23, 23 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Comments by Musée Annam[edit]

No. Some materials pointed the flag is yellow field with four stripe, but all stripes formed as ☲ and doesn't reach to the side of flag.
--Great Brightstar (talk) 08:32, 18 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

New format (18 August 2021)[edit]

Yes, but what sources did Lê Thy use?

@Great Brightstar: , could you please add a source. --Donald Trung 『徵國單』 (No Fake News 💬) (WikiProject Numismatics 💴) (Articles 📚) 08:34, 18 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

This is Wikimedia Commons, unlike Wikipedia primary sources are the most important here and it's best to have a good contemporary account. Like I kept finding historical depictions of the supposed "fantasy" flag of the Autonomous Republic of Cochinchina. 1945 was a year with cameras so we should be able to find some documentation. --Donald Trung 『徵國單』 (No Fake News 💬) (WikiProject Numismatics 💴) (Articles 📚) 08:46, 18 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Great Brightstar: , I actually think that the new format is probably more correct, I have seen this circulating in a number of publications before alongside other Eight Trigram flags. The current one is likely from here. I will do more research too as I think you were correct. --Donald Trung 『徵國單』 (No Fake News 💬) (WikiProject Numismatics 💴) (Articles 📚) 09:31, 18 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Its's difficult to get more reliable source for this, because Empire of Vietnam is Japanese puppet, it was existed only six months, then it was collapsed under Ho Chi Minh's revolution, so related informations for the Empire of Vietnam is rear on the Internet, I think maybe it's better going to Vietnamese libraries and museums to see if you want even more reliable materials for this period. --Great Brightstar (talk) 04:30, 26 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Great Brightstar: , apparently your version is correct, feel free to change it back. --Donald Trung 『徵國單』 (No Fake News 💬) (WikiProject Numismatics 💴) (Articles 📚) 00:24, 19 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

OK, thanks. BTW you can also try to search images with imgops.com. -- Great Brightstar (talk) 01:36, 19 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Official design[edit]

Cờ quẻ Ly official design.

I have just uploaded a detailed design of the flag which appeared on the newspaper Tin Mới number 1654, 28 June 1945.

As to the colors, the same article quotes a decree by Emperor Bảo Đại indicating that the background is in "vàng thẫm (chính hoàng)", and the Ly trigram is in "đỏ thẫm (chính xích)". "Vàng thẫm" and "đỏ thẫm" are more intense than "vàng tươi" and "đỏ tươi" as in the File:Flag of North Vietnam (1945–1955).svg. Speaking of "đỏ" (red) in Vietnamese, it could be one among a variety of Chinese "hồng" 紅, "xích" 赤, "đan" 丹, "chu" 朱. This imperial decree dictated that the color in this case is "đỏ thẫm", or "chính xích" [正赤].

@Great Brightstar: Would you mind please updating this file? --Greenknight dv (talk) 18:54, 12 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

It's good to know what the flag actually designed. I will try to modify it anyway. --Great Brightstar (talk) 03:23, 13 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
✓ Done --Great Brightstar (talk) 03:54, 13 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you. Also, it's really cool that your reconstructed version back in August was pretty close. Greenknight dv (talk) 01:40, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
To reproduce the new one, I made use of Windows Calculator to get proper coordinates for SVG paths. -- Great Brightstar (talk) 12:14, 12 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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