File talk:Migration of Serbs.png

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image war[edit]

The image war must cease. For further discussion contact expert Panonian, for this is the base. [1] Cheerio. (LAz17 (talk) 05:43, 5 June 2011 (UTC)).[reply]

Please stop revert-warring[edit]

I understand that different people think different versions of the map are "wrong". Commons is an educational resource; it's important that we get it right. Please, somebody, provide evidence about what the true boundaries were, or why they think the boundaries should change. bobrayner (talk) 18:15, 25 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

References are certainly supporting version with bigger Serbia: http://img64.imageshack.us/img64/8800/910veksrpskezemlje.png (this map comes from official history atlas for schools in Serbia) I do not know is there a reference for smaller size Serbia? PANONIAN (talk) 21:15, 25 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Of course it'll be possible to find a Serbian schoolbook which says that; many countries have an unfortunate habit of tampering with their schoolbooks to magnify their national glory. (I'm sure we could find school textbooks from neighbouring countries which say those territories were historically part of those other countries). How about independent, reliable sources? bobrayner (talk) 22:08, 25 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
This Serbian atlas is based on original source which is "De administrando imperio" from 10th century and which claims that Serbs settled all these lands in the 7th century. You cannot have more independent source than that. As for map version uploaded by user Tzowu, it could rather refer to much later period (from let say 12th century) when Raška and Bosnia were separate states. However, in earlier period (which is 9th century), Bosnia and Raška were lands inside principality of Serbia. Since this map shows migration of the Serbs which occurred in the 7th century, it is logical to present here political situation from century which was closer to it (i.e. 9th) instead from the century which came much later (i.e. 12th). PANONIAN (talk) 22:51, 25 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Your best source for your preferred version of this map is a 10th century primary text which doesn't include maps or specify borders. This is not good. bobrayner (talk) 21:24, 21 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
As I can see, this map http://img64.imageshack.us/img64/8800/910veksrpskezemlje.png is far from correct.
Most of areas of Pliva, Livno and Imota, wich are specificaly named Croatian in DAI, are shown as Serbian at this map. Also, in DAI there is no source of Serbian border with Pagania, or it's borders on Sava or Vrbas. Serbian border is a somwhere around Drina, and borders of Bosnia are at best at river Bosnia. Also, Hum should include Prenj and Konjic...--Čeha (talk) 23:58, 26 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

OR and editorializing[edit]

Original research based on misinterpretation of primary source.--Santasa99 (talk) 14:48, 19 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I have to agree, the current version of the image ([2]) is a misinterpretation of political borders of the Serbian polities mentioned in DAI. The correct map with correct text would be the other version to which is reverted ([3]).--Miki Filigranski (talk) 07:49, 1 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I tried to make a revert, but I really don't understand anymore what the editors have done with reverting the file so many times the system is having a difficulty to correctly revert the image. I will upload the better version as a separate file.--Miki Filigranski (talk) 07:57, 1 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Sadko, Santasa99, and Miki Filigranski: this map is clearly OR. Migration of Serbs in the early 7th century is the name of this map but here should write and "according to". Here is Duklja for which DAI does not say that it is inhabited by Serbs, also according to DAI Bosnia is mentioned in two cities but in the Bosnia of that time not in almost whole Bosnia. Not to mention the eastern borders towards Bulgaria. I suggest that evidence in sources must be presented here. Mikola22 (talk) 16:42, 1 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
The text is problematic, it quotes DAI which is not stating "significant population". Historian Vladimir Ćorović is also stating that those are the lends where Serbs dwell. A new map, with a different text and borders may be the next step. cheers Sadkσ (talk is cheap) 16:49, 1 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

DAI[edit]

The map legend does not explain that DAI is the abbreviation of De administrando Imperio... Wisdood (talk) 14:51, 27 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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