File talk:Otto Liman Von Sanders with daughter and Wilhelm Souchon.jpg

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Zweifel[edit]

1. Souchon ging bereits im September 1917 nach Deutschland zurück, kann also kaum im Oktober 1917 auf der “Goeben“ fotografiert worden sein. 2. Souchon war schon 1915 zum Vizeadmiral befördert worden, aber das Foto zeigt einen Konteradmiral. Es scheint sich daher wohl eher um ein Foto seines Nachfolgers zu handeln, dem Liman von Sanders mit Frau wahrscheinlich einen Antrittsbesuch auf der “Goeben“ abstattete. --Cosal (talk) 17:17, 7 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Im Vergleich mit anderen Fotos (Foto-Suche in einem aktuellen Browser) kann man unschwer erkennen, dass es sich um Souchon handelt (Nase, Kinn, Mund, Ohren ...). Er trug offenbar auch nur in jungen Jahren einen Bart. Es ist aber auch richtig, dass er als Konteradmiral abgebildet ist. Meine Vermutung: Das Foto ist 1915 aufgenommen als Souchon noch Konteradmiral war. Liman war zu der Zeit bereits in der Türkei. --Kuhl-k (talk) 10:12, 2 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Er trägt auch nicht den Pour le Mérite, den er 1916 erhielt.--Kuhl-k (talk) 10:20, 2 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Doubts[edit]

1. Souchon returned to Germany in September 1917 to command of a squadron of the battle fleet, and it is therefore most unlikely that he was photographed on board the "Goeben" in October 1917. 2. Souchon was promoted to Vice Admiral in 1915, but the photo shows a Rear Admiral. 3. Souchon wore a moustache. Conclusion: the photo probably shows Souchon's successor (don't know his name) on the occasion of General Liman von Sanders' welcoming visit on board his flagship. --Cosal (talk) 17:23, 7 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

In comparison with other photos (photo search in a current browser), it is easy to see that it is indeed Souchon (nose, chin, mouth, ears ...). He apparently only sported a beard in his younger years. But it is also true that he is depicted as a rear admiral. My guess: The photo was taken in 1915, when Souchon was still a rear admiral. By then Liman was already in Turkey.--Kuhl-k (talk) 10:12, 2 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nor does he wear the Pour le Mérite, which he received in 1916.--Kuhl-k (talk) 10:20, 2 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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