File talk:10 weeks pregnant.jpg

Details about donation of image

The owners of this image donated it to Wikimedia. The original version that the owners donated had a watermark which has subsequently been removed according to Wikimedia policy. See here. The present image (without watermark) was donated by Wouter Vergeer <wouter.vergeer@tribal.nl> on Wednesday, August 29, 2007 on behalf of 3DPregnancy.com. Mr. Vergeer stated in an email to Ferrylodge on that date:

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For now we are only willing to share these four 3D pictures under the CC-SY-BA license. Lets first see how this goes before we decide to share more or, perhaps in the future, all our works....I noticed you changed the picture and removed the CC-SY-BA notification. Which is fine by us. We just added them to make sure everybody saw they were released under CC-SY-BA license and nobody would delete them. We did notice, however that the quality of the images has decreased quite a lot due to the cropping. I enclosed new versions of the images at better quality with this email. Would you be so kind to upload these? Or should we do this? The company behind 3DPregnancy.com is Tribal Internet Projects. We are Dutch based publisher of family websites. We are working on a corporate website containing more company information. If you have any more questions, please let me know. And thank you for your involvement. With kind regards / Met vriendelijke groet, Wouter Vergeer Managing Director Tribal Internet Projects BV Larenweg 24 5234 KA 's-Hertogenbosch The Netherlands Toll Free form U.S. and Canada: 1-888-766-5577 Tel.: +31 (0)73 6158113 (NEW NUMBER) Fax.: +31 (0)73 6124756 Internet: www.tribal.nl E-mail: wouter.vergeer@tribal.nl

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This image is now licensed under a "free" license.Ferrylodge 00:54, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

I converted the images to black and white, in response to some objections here. I also notified the staff of 3D Pregnancy, and received the following reply (at Mon, 7 Jan 2008 10:55:23):

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Thank you for notifying me. The black and white version as currently online, are fine! Thnx for the change. With kind regards, Wouter.

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Because I was the original uploader at Wikimedia, and because the BW images that I made were approved by the donor, and because some other editors (not myself) found the color images problematic, the B & W version is now the current version.Ferrylodge 19:33, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

Sources for assessment of accuracy

Some of the resources relied upon to create this image were as follows:

A Child is Born (A book by Lennart Nilsson)

In the Womb (DVD)

In the Womb (Book)

Kidshealth.org (Website)

When comparing this image to other images, it should be kept in mind that this stage of development is often referenced using a variety of different numerical descriptions. This is an approximate drawing of a fetus eight weeks after fertilization, i.e. at the beginning of the ninth week after fertilization. This is equivalent to a gestational age of about ten weeks, i.e. at the beginning of the eleventh week of gestational age. This drawing can be compared to other online images of a fetus at approximately the same stage of development, including the following images:

I. Drawing and movie of fetus at eight weeks and two days after fertilization, from the Endowment for Human Development;

II. Motion-picture 4D ultrasound of fetus at eight weeks and two days after fertilization, from the Endowment for Human Development;

III. Photograph of fetus during ninth week after fertilization, from Thomas W. Sadler, Langman's Medical Embryology, page 90 (2006) via Google Books;

IV. Photograph with detailed annotations at 8 weeks after fertilization, from online course in embryology for medicine students developed by the universities of Fribourg, Lausanne and Bern (Switzerland) with the support of the Swiss Virtual Campus;

V. Drawing of fetus at ten weeks’ gestational age, from KidsHealth.org which has a medical review board;

VI. Drawing of fetus at ten weeks' gestational age, from Michigan Department of Community Health;

VII. Drawing of fetus at ten weeks' gestational age, from A.D.A.M. via About.com.

Note that by the fetal stage, the tail is gone. See Mayo Clinic website. An atrophied embryonic tail bud remains, but typically there is no tail.[1] Additionally, note that a human fetus does not have gills. See Stanley J. Ulijaszek, Francis E. Johnston, M. A. Preece The Cambridge Encyclopedia of Human Growth and Development, pages 161-162 (1998). Also see James S. Trefil The Nature of Science, page 309 (2003). A fetus 8 weeks after fertilization is typically about 1.25 inches crown to rump. This donor-approved image is in black and white, although the originally-uploaded version is in a pinkish color. According to the pro-choice organization "Life and Liberty for Women", the color of a fetus after removal from the uterus (e.g. after an abortion) depends upon the method of removal. Gray skin will result from “laminaria through an intra-amniotic injection." On the other hand, "If the procedure was done while the fetus was alive, its skin would be the pinkish color....", as in the drawing that was originally uploaded.Ferrylodge 19:47, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

Reverting

This image was recently reverted to a color image. If this image remains in color, it will be a duplicate of another image. However, if it is now reverted back to black and white, it will have no duplicate. Furthermore, reverting this image to black and white will result in a black and white image in Wikipedia articles where a black and white image was agreed upon. Another black and white image was recently deleted on the premise that the present image is black and white, not color.

All Wikimedia images offer an option to "upload a new version." There is absolutely nothing wrong with the new version being in black and white and the old version being in color, especially when both the image donor and the original uploader approve that. The only guideline that suggests otherwise is discussing a situation where "you try to upload a different file type".

Having this image in color has resulted in duplicate color images, and resulted in color images at articles where black and white images had been agreed upon. That seems wrong. Therefore, I will revert back to the black and white version, with full attribution to the person who re-desaturated it.Ferrylodge 02:47, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

Renaming

If no species is indicated, then it's implied that we're talking about a human. If you look at the gallery of fetus images, you'll see that very few have names specifying that they are human, since that is the obvious implication if no other species is identified in the file name. This rename request therefore strikes me as being more trouble than it's worth, since it would require rewriting links in multiple articles, and going through that process four times (since we have images at 6, 10, 20, and 40 weeks). As one user put it, file names should be descriptive, but it's not important because no one will see the file names when they read a Wikipedia article.Ferrylodge 06:54, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

Also see discussion here.Ferrylodge 07:43, 3 February 2008 (UTC)