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Bei der Gruppierung der Abstimmungsergebnisse sowohl im Farbband als auch im Tortendiagramm sind die 100 % wie folgt aufgeteilt: 0%-15%, 25%-50% usw. Es könnte sein, dass 15% jeweils für 25% verschrieben ist, dann wäre eine Aufteilung der 100% in vier gleiche Intervalle gemeint. Auch mit dieser Korrektur ist das Tortendiagramm weiterhin unverständlich bzw. erklärungsbedürftig. Es zeigt offenbar jeweils den prodeutschen Stimmenanteil, aber teils mit DK und teils mit DE beschriftet. Würde man überall DE schreiben, wäre es verständlicher. Weiter sollte erklärt werden, was das Tortendiagramm zeigt: Sind Flächenanteile oder Stimmenanteile gemeint? Stellen die Flächen im Tortendiagramm die Flächengrößen des Landes oder die Stimmenzahlen der Abstimmung dar? --Pp.paul.4 (talk) 08:12, 13 June 2013 (UTC)

Der 15/25-Fehler und der DK/DE-Fehler sind in der Tat unverständlich. Es muss ganz offensichtlich 25 statt 15 und im Tortendiagramm überall DE statt DK heißen. Davon abgesehen erscheint mir das Tortendiagramm nicht ganz so unklar. Es ist mit "Flächen / Område" überschrieben, also gehe ich davon aus, dass es Flächen-, nicht Stimmenanteile darstellt. Ein Einheit für die angegebenen Zahlenwerte ist nicht genannt, alle Zahlenwerte des Tortendiagramms zusammen ergeben aber 100, demnach dürfte es sich um Prozentwerte handeln. Zu lesen ist das dann so: 54,1% des Abstimmungsgebiets (nach Fläche) hatte Ergebnisse von 0-25% für Deutschland und kam zu Dänemark; 13,3% des Abstimmungsgebiets hatte Ergebnisse von 25-50% für Deutschland und kam zu Dänemark; 5,5% des Abstimmungsgebiets hatte Ergebnisse von 50-75% für Deutschland und kam zu Dänemark; 1,6% des Abstimmungsgebiets hatte Ergebnisse von 75-100% für Deutschland und kam zu Dänemark; 3,4% des Abstimmungsgebiets hatte Ergebnisse von 50-75% für Deutschland und kam zu Deutschland; 21,9% des Abstimmungsgebiets hatte Ergebnisse von 75-100% für Deutschland und kam zu Deutschland; 0,2% des Abstimmungsgebiets hatte Ergebnisse von 25-50% für Deutschland und kam zu Deutschland. Das hätte man aber wirklich deutlicher machen können, zumindest durch Hinzufügung von Prozentzeichen (und natürlich die Korrektur der Fehler). --Jossi2 (talk) 11:54, 6 July 2013 (UTC)

The legend is broken, in the figures for Zone I, "DK" must be replaced with "DE"; the areas voting 75%+ for Germany in Zone I very extremely small (Tønder, Ubjerg Parish, Højer and Højer Land Parish), and possibly one additional village further north shown here, but which I don't recall from the offical map published in Denmark. It is somewhat hard to compare this map with the offical Danish referendum map, as in Denmark such maps were counted by parish, since the parish is the smallest unit in Danish civil administration. The German maps seem to be based on a "Gemeinde" or something smaller. The south-central region in Zone I is shown on Danish maps (counted pr. parish) as showing Danish majorities in the lower 50%s figures. This is a copy of a similar Danish map of Zone I (broken down parish-wise), and no, it is not fancy Wahlgeometrie, the first virtually identical map (without colouring and Tiedje's Line) was published on February 11, 1920 in leading Danish newspapers, so effectively the map must have been prepared in advance in Denmark's Temporary Department for South Jutlandic Affairs, and an official would have spent the evening adding the relevant figures before sending it to the newspapers. It is based on reports from local pro-Danish community leaders, and they were instructed to communicate the local results to Copenhagen parish-wise, so they naturally did that. Most of the coloured maps came slightly later in 1920 (the one linked to here is the exception, it is from 1938), but they were all based on the same basic map. But the Danish map also indicates why Tiedje's Line was so strongly rejected in Denmark; e.g. including Møgeltønder in the German zone (86% pro-Danish, Home of the Schack family, North Schleswig's leading Danish family for three centuries and the place of the discovery of the Golden Horns), or adding Tønder Land Parish, Rinkenæs, Holbøl, Abild, Bjolderup, Kværs and Bylderup was a simple provocation. In Denmark Tiedje's Line was discribed as something arbitrarily created on a map in which excess German votes from Tønder were spread over as wide an area as possible. Valentinian ^{T / C} 22:22, 29 December 2013 (UTC)

Yes the geographical extend of the area (Fläche) was calculated. DK and DE were automatically extracted by the geodatabase resulting from who gets the area. The percentages of votes are always related to germany, This is confusing in the diagram and need to be fixed... thats true. @Valentinian: Okay. What is your point? As far as i understand the Danish site aggregated the votes on a higher level to reduce the visible areas with a German mayority on their maps for propaganda purpose. --Exec (留言) 05:45, 3 June 2017 (UTC)

The Danish maps weren't aggregated on a higher level, for "propaganda purposes". They were registered on parish level, because 1) that is the smallest level of civil administration in Denmark (the ranking in 1920 was: "parish" (Sogn)" -> "hundred" (Herred)" -> "county" (Amt) ) ; 2) the official Danish map was created using the method that one trusted person from each parish would telephone the ministry in Copenhagen with the figures for his parish; they were not asked to subdivide their parish. The objective was to be able to publish a map in Danish newspapers on February 11, so the postal service was not relied upon 3) there was an overwhelming political consensus in DK that the entire Zone 1 would be annexed, provided that there was an overall Danish majority for the entire region. Professor Clausen's maps (drawn in the 1890s, if memory serves me correctly) were not disputed.

AFAIK (but please correct me, if you have information that show contrary to that), Tiedje's Line was created after the vote in 1920. Consequently, it was presented universally in DK, as an attempt to spread the huge German majority from Tønder thinly over as large a region as possible; notably regions with clear Danish majorities in the eastern part of the province. Unfortunately, Danish copyright law doesn't expressly copyright-exempt the works of public officials, otherwise I would have uploaded a copy of the map produced by the Danish Temporary Ministry of South Jutland Affairs for comparison. Valentinian ^{T / C} 06:54, 17 November 2017 (UTC)

How about 15-25%?

The legend has 0-15% and 25-50%. How about 15-25%, which color are they? Thue (留言) 15:17, 12 November 2014 (UTC)

Also a mistake, it needs to be "0-25%" ... --Exec (留言) 05:35, 3 June 2017 (UTC)