File talk:Coat of arms of Libya (1952–1969).svg

This svg file is based on the design of this gif, which is in turn loosely based on the official emblem used on bank notes, but with its own colour scheme chosen ad hoc for decorative use on a website.

Based on the obsessively detailed description of the design at 24dec1951.com, our image should fix the following to comply with the official emblem:

• "The background color of the large interior below the Top Crown can be white or transparent, although this is not evident in the picture of the Libyan pound." (red in our image)
• "A white ring with thin black borders, surrounds the center large white Crescent and Star." (yellow in our image)
• "Five pointed star located well above the perimeter of the crescent. This differs from the flag, which places the star at the extremities of the crescent." -- our image has the central star point downward, while the official emblem has the star riding above the crescent point upward
• the two crowns are depicted from the side, without the "3-d effect" showing the lower rim as an ellipse
• "Plantar/ floral ornamentation similar to #2 above, providing variation and connectivity to the base." (missing)
• "At the base, an elegant design that resembles a document scroll with a ring tie at its center." (sort of comparable to our image, but the original scroll seems to twist in the opposite direction)

on a more general note, I wish people would stop categorizing such emblems as "coats of arms". This is on-wiki jargon generated by the category systems. They are not in fact "coats of arms". Coats of arms are a European tradition which originates during the crusades on actual w:heater shields, and develops into the heraldic escutcheon by the end of the middle ages. Only heraldic designs based around an actual Escutcheon should be described as "coats of arms". Other similar designs are "emblems" or "seals" etc. --Dbachmann (talk) 09:02, 16 April 2011 (UTC)

There are certainly emblems which have no particular relationship to any form of European heraldry (such as File:Coat of arms of Iran.svg etc.), but this is not one of them -- in fact it has a rather close relationship with old continental European sovereign coats of arms with a background "pavilion" surmounted by a crown, except that here the pavilion is not shown as a piece of cloth lined with ermine, but as a plain-color area surrounded by abstract scroll-work... AnonMoos (talk) 13:30, 16 April 2011 (UTC)

yes, I agree. This is a 20th century emblem or logo loosely inspired by European heraldic tradition.

perhaps I should phrase my complaint in simpler terms: please only call something a "coat of arms" if there are quotable, independent, third-party sources which already call it that. --Dbachmann (talk) 13:56, 16 April 2011 (UTC)

Anyway, the Arabic language tends to use the word شعار indiscriminately for "coat of arms, symbol, distinguishing mark, emblem, badge" (and also "slogan, motto")... AnonMoos (talk) 17:00, 17 April 2011 (UTC)

The illustration at 24dec1951.com has excellent detail and will be a good base for a new svg. However, official government issues (sources of the research done by the website) contradict one another, and with no official description obtainable, I don't know how accurate this is, at least in some aspects. Here are some of these issues: 1963 Quarter Pound, 1963 5 Pounds, 1963 one pound, 1955(?) half pound, 1963 ten pounds. The small crown in the 5 pounds has the ellipse on bottom contrary to all the others. All these banknotes contradict the passport and stamps (here and here) in regards to the background, the big crown, and the orientation of the stars. Only in the stamps does the crescent look like the one in the flag, with another unique feature having the nine surrounding stars point to the center of the circle.

I'm mostly suspicious about the orientation of the star (relative to the crescent) which the website puts in the opposite direction to the flag. Regards, -- Orionist ★ talk 15:56, 17 April 2011 (UTC)

Hm yes... at least we now have some sort of solid reference beyond a crappy gif pulled off the internets. I think we need to recognize that the design is in essence monochromatic, and shouldn't be given a colour scheme. The picture should best be kept in greyscale. But in that case, the background isn't "white or transparent" at all, it is sort of a medium grey on the bank notes you have shown. As for the details on the orientation of stars etc., it would be best to just model the image after a given source explicitly, say, "the 1963 one pound note", and state as much in the image description. --Dbachmann (talk) 14:01, 21 April 2011 (UTC)