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Kosovo - a solution

Hello all,

Over the last few months, I've seen edit wars over Kosovo being on maps. This is sad. I've been thinking about this and I may have a solution for this.

For maps of a continent or regional level, I think if would be a good idea to depict the Serbia-Kosovo boundry in hashmarks. This would show both sides of the issue. If someone wanted to color in both Serbia and Kosovo, they could. If someone wanted to color in Kosovo as an independent state, they do so.

For world maps, I think it would be a good idea to shade the boundry in a grey-ish color that does not clash with the base image. The purpose of this is the same thing as continental or regional maps described above.

I'm doing all of this to bring peace to the Commons. I hope this all helps. Hoshie (talk) 10:47, 27 September 2008 (UTC)

I think that there should be main maps and alternative maps. Main maps would not include Kosovo, Palestine, Abkhazia etc. and alternative would. This is a much less complicated proposal.--Avala (talk) 17:21, 27 September 2008 (UTC)

I also have a proposal for maps which are made by international organisations or are locator maps for countries :

Kosovo gets excluded in maps of organisations/countries/etc which haven't recognised it (e.g. UN maps/Maps of Greece/Maps of Serbia/etc) and included in maps of organisations/countries/etc which have (e.g. CIA maps/Maps of Albania/maps of the UK/etc), now about the European Union, mos of it (21 out of 27) have recognised Kosovo so it would be logical to include it in EU maps, however, if the map is taken from the internet (official sources etc.) it won't be changed (to including or excluding Kosovo)--Cradel (talk) 16:25, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

Considering that Kosovo has since declared independence, and it's recognised by most countries, and Serbia's legal approach failed miserably, we should not show Kosovo as part of Serbia by default. Maps should reflect reality, and the reality is that Kosovo is independent. It's probably appropriate to have some alternate maps which do so in order to show Belgrade's perspective, as long as it's made clear in accompanying text that the map does not reflect reality "on the ground". bobrayner (talk) 19:20, 13 October 2013 (UTC)

If you, Bob, awful POV pusher said something, that is not agreement, that is just pov. Agreement is when several users agreed to something. the reality is that Kosovo is disputed. Deal with it, live with it. --WhiteWriter ^speaks 11:35, 15 October 2013 (UTC)

I notice WhiteWriter has been revert-warring back to pre-2008 maps, including inserting falsified map data. That's really bad. You should stop that. Just look at this: UNMIK_map.png. Nikswerdhond had uploaded the actual UNMIK map. From UNMIK. Whitewriter automatically reverts to an old version of the UNMIK map, but that wasn't sufficiently emphatic about Kosovo's status, so "Province of Kosovo" has been added over the top in big red letters. That wasn't on the UNMIK map and it's certainly not true, yet Whitewriter automatically reverts to that version. UNMIK, of course, would never try such a childish nationalist stunt. That is obvious pov-pushing. It's frustrating that Commons has tolerated it for so long. bobrayner (talk) 12:40, 15 October 2013 (UTC)

I notice Bobrayner has been pushing POV edits on files without first reaching a concession. This is bad. You should stop that because hypocrisy is a two-way street, one which you've crossed several times already and degrades the quality of Wikipedia. And believe me, its most frustrating for editors who actually try to be neutral and reach a concession on controversial issues such as this. Regarding the topic at hand, I agree with Hoshie's proposal as a fair solution. Buttons (talk) 00:45, 16 October 2013 (UTC)

• Serbia has no control over Kosovo. That territory is not part of Serbia. I have unloaded a copy of the old municipal map at File:Map of Serbia municipalities before 2008.PNG for any reader who wants to see what the map was like before Kosovo declared independence, but that map is not true. The current map is factual. A map of the real world is not "POV". Pretending that an old map is still true, that is POV. -N

Serbia didn't have control over Kosovo before 2008 either, and it Kosovo was included in Serbia map as well as in the map of Yugoslavia and Serbia and Montenegro, maps aren't about 'control' then about legal status of territories. Kosovo didn't have a right to declare independence without consent of both sides and consensus with Serbs. Currently, Kosovo is disputed area so choosing to be presented completely as part of Serbia or completely not is in both cases POV pushing, so stop with that. Alex‘s SeeSide 11:20, 16 November 2013 (UTC)

Considering that Kosovo has since declared independence, and it's recognised by most countries, and Serbia's legal challenge failed miserably (although the ethnic-cleansing approach was brutally successful for a while), we should not show Kosovo as part of Serbia by default. Maps should reflect reality, and the reality is that Kosovo is independent. It's probably appropriate to have some alternate maps which do show Belgrade's perspective, as long as it's made clear in accompanying text that the map does not reflect reality "on the ground". bobrayner (talk) 11:23, 16 November 2013 (UTC)

The dotted border of Kosovo is fine and neutral. Also User:Aleksa Lukic stop Wiki Hounding bobrayner. It is harassment! IJA (talk) 11:48, 16 November 2013 (UTC)

I'm not hounding anyone, I'm just fighting for neutrality and giving and justifying opinion isn't hounding. Alex‘s SeeSide 12:53, 16 November 2013 (UTC)