File talk:Cornelis anthonisz vogelvluchtkaart amsterdam.JPG
跳转到导航
跳转到搜索
"De vermaerde koopstadt .." better goes to > Works after Map of Amsterdam, 1544[编辑]
so we should keep it separate with own data item, at least not under the same wikidata item, now new Q116787851 Oursana (留言) 04:22, 16 February 2023 (UTC)
![04:22, 16 February 2023 (UTC)](https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File_talk:Cornelis_anthonisz_vogelvluchtkaart_amsterdam.JPG#c-Oursana-20230216042200-"De_vermaerde_koopstadt_.."_better_goes_to_>_Works_after_Map_of_Amsterdam,_1544){kind=link}
- @Oursana, Why do you think this is a work after the 1544 Map of Amsterdam? Also it is not located in the Stadsarchief Amsterdam, but in the Rijksmuseum Amsterdam as part of the KOG collection. In the wikidata item the image doesn't match the description. Vincent Steenberg (留言) 08:17, 16 February 2023 (UTC)
- Sorry @Vincent Steenberg I did not update this. Yes understand that it is a later version. I could not find it into Rijksmuseum or KOG database. Do you have the exhibition catalog as reference? --Oursana (留言) 11:39, 16 February 2023 (UTC)
- Its part of the KOG collection which is stored at the Rijksmuseum Amsterdam.
- Another thing, you made 15 edits to this file in 2 days. It would help tremendously if you would fill in the edit summary before publishing your changes. Vincent Steenberg (留言) 13:30, 16 February 2023 (UTC)
- @Vincent Steenberg Thank you, but I really wonder why there is no referencing url for a colored version. Even the source was not reliable--Oursana (留言) 13:35, 16 February 2023 (UTC)
- ok, @Oursana, I think I solved the mystery. On the archived page of the source it says "Gemeentearchief Amsterdam" under "Instelling" (institution). However, that doesn't mean the print is part of the collection of that institution. Read the caption underneath the image. It just means that the information about the print was provided by the Gemeentearchief (today called Stadsarchief). Bert Gerlagh, who signed it, was (or still is) curator at the Stadsarchief. Why this print doesn't appear in the Rijksmuseum and KOG databases, I don't know. Vincent Steenberg (留言) 14:37, 16 February 2023 (UTC)
- @Vincent Steenberg hartelijk dank, de herkomst is opgelost
- https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=File:Cornelis_anthonisz_vogelvluchtkaart_amsterdam.JPG&diff=next&oldid=146907299
- kommt denk ik van de catalogus, maar Gerlagh zegt daar niets over 1557 en Jan Janszens 4. versie. Darom heb ik ervoor een extra wd-item gemaakt om de verschillende versies uit elkaar te houden en daardoor wilde ik vroeger in cat:Maps after 1544.
- 1557 en Jansz ook File:Map of Amsterdam, 1544 by Cornelis Anthonisz. Rijksmuseum Amsterdam RP-P-AO-20-15.jpg
- en https://archief.amsterdam/beeldbank/detail/cf078ee0-cef9-44c5-f844-c144459c7629--Oursana (留言) 15:33, 16 February 2023 (UTC)
- ok, ik snap het. Ik vond trouwens een mooi exemplaar van de tweede drukgang. Met gotische D. Zie https://uvaerfgoed.nl//beeldbank/xview?identifier=hdl:11245/3.2836#page/0 . Vincent Steenberg (留言) 17:13, 16 February 2023 (UTC)
- ok, @Oursana, I think I solved the mystery. On the archived page of the source it says "Gemeentearchief Amsterdam" under "Instelling" (institution). However, that doesn't mean the print is part of the collection of that institution. Read the caption underneath the image. It just means that the information about the print was provided by the Gemeentearchief (today called Stadsarchief). Bert Gerlagh, who signed it, was (or still is) curator at the Stadsarchief. Why this print doesn't appear in the Rijksmuseum and KOG databases, I don't know. Vincent Steenberg (留言) 14:37, 16 February 2023 (UTC)
- @Vincent Steenberg Thank you, but I really wonder why there is no referencing url for a colored version. Even the source was not reliable--Oursana (留言) 13:35, 16 February 2023 (UTC)
- Sorry @Vincent Steenberg I did not update this. Yes understand that it is a later version. I could not find it into Rijksmuseum or KOG database. Do you have the exhibition catalog as reference? --Oursana (留言) 11:39, 16 February 2023 (UTC)
