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A somewhat discordant note is that the person depicted in an Israeli-flag shirt is shown wearing Jewish religious side-curls -- even though the majority of Israelis who wear side-curls in fact reside in ultra-Orthodox neighborhoods of west Jerusalem, where they speak Yiddish instead of Hebrew, attend yeshivas, are exempt from general Israeli army service requirements, and are by no means necessarily Zionists.—the preceding unsigned comment was added by AnonMoos (talk • contribs)

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The following relevant categories was removed: Category:Aesop's Fables (relevant because en:The Boy Who Cried Wolf is on of them), Category:Sheep in art (because it's a sheep in the cartoon), Category:Politics of the Palestinian territories (relevant because that's the subject of the cartton), Category:Antisemitism (relevant because that's also the subject of the cartoon). I'm waiting for an explanation why these relevant categories was removed. // Liftarn (talk) 22:42, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

The Category "Aesop's Fables" shows only illustrations of the actual fables. It does not include citation of the fables or visual paraphrases. Political cartoons are certainly out of scope. The cartoon is not intended to illustrate sheep. It also shows grass - should we include it in a category of herbs? The category: "Politics of the Palestinian territories" is meant to deal with political figures and political situations in the Palestinian territories. It is not meant to show interpretation of one Brazilian cartoonist about the situation in the Middle East. Currently most images in this category do not show anything related to the politics in the PT and this is quite embarrassing. We might as well make it a sub-category of the "Carlos Latuff" category. About "Antisemitism" - many of Lauff's cartoons can be said to fall under this category. If you want this image to be included in that category you have to accept attaching this category to other images of his as well. Drork (talk) 08:10, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

We have Category:Israeli-Palestinian conflict cartoons that looks better than Category:Politics of the Palestinian territories. However, Category:Aesop's Fables and Category:Antisemitism are still very relevant categories. // Liftarn (talk) 22:15, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

Please explain how this image relates to antisemitism, and remember that those images of Latuff which criticize Israel bluntly or portray Israelis in a way which resembles historical antisemitic cartoons were said to be unrelated to antisemitism on the ground that criticizing Israel is not antisemitism. If you want to present good arguments, you'd better be consistent. About Aesop's tales, I urge you to browse that category and see it is intended only for illustrations of these tales. Had this cartoon been a parody or a paraphrase focused on a tale by Aesop, it might have been regarded as relevant, but this cartoon is not focused on Aesop or one of his tales. Drork (talk) 08:11, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

Take a look at what is says in the speech bubble. That's why Category:Antisemitism is relevant. This cartoon is an obvious paraphrase on en:The Boy Who Cried Wolf (the title should give you a clue). // Liftarn (talk) 16:44, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

Category:Antisemitism is absolutely irrelavant. The purpose of caricature was to show that there's no such thing as Antisemitism.--Mbz1 (talk) 17:06, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

Category:Antisemitism seems entirely relevant. The image isn't antisemtic but it does seem to concern the subject of antisemitism and Mbz1's comment that "The purpose of caricature was to show that there's no such thing as Antisemitism" seems to confirm that antisemitism is a subject of this image. "Anti-semitism" in bold letters tends to offer a clue as to this image's subject. Adambro (talk) 17:17, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

I believe Antisemitism is not a good category for any latuff caricatures. I would rather add category Antisemitic picture to some of latuff caricatures,but I would not call this particular image an Antisemitic picture. This image like all latuff images are out of touch with reality and I could easily prove it:. Please look at the signs and the faces of the two demonstrations (enlarge the image to the maximum). See the difference? See the difference with latuff caricature? Liftarn, you often say that latuff caricatures promote peace. No, they promote hate. If you really want peace please, when you talk to latuff next time, try to explain to him that to promote peace he should make something that at least few percents closer to the real situation on the ground. The real situation is that Palestinian people suffer from hamas even more than Israelis do. Yes, Palestinians are victims, but their oppressor is hamas. I want the peace for all people in the region very much and I believe the peace will come, together with the truth. I believe that this image should have only one category - carlos latuff.--Mbz1 (talk) 02:24, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

Yes, I know you hate people who disagree with you, but please live your political propaganda outside Commons. // Liftarn (talk) 16:44, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

I wanted to respond your comment, but I decided to let both of the comments mine and your to speak for themselves.--Mbz1 (talk) 17:15, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

The cartoon is about accusations of antisemitism. Putting this in the Category:Antisemitism will make it easier to find, and that is what categorization is done for. Same with Aesop's fables. But Drork does not want people to find these images, and that is why he is systematically vandalizing their categorization. I will revert his edit once more. Admins should not lock the page, they should block the vandal. /Pieter Kuiper (talk) 13:13, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

The game is over. I am not and I repeat NOT going to live with you making this site an anti-Israeli site. End of story. Drork (talk) 14:53, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

So you do admit that what you do is an effort to whitewash rather than to make sure images are put in proper categories? Since the image is based on en:The Boy Who Cried Wolf it clearly belongs in Category:Aesop's Fables. There is no way to deny that. // Liftarn (talk) 13:57, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

Liftarn, you have your own blog. It is not on Wikimedia Commons. Keep your political opinions there. Drork (talk) 12:38, 1 January 2010 (UTC)

I'm sure you can start your own blog as well so please keep your political censorship out of Commons. // Liftarn (talk) 12:44, 1 January 2010 (UTC)

I am not surprised you accuse me of censorship after you accused me of promoting terrorism. Such accusation seem to be you method of imposing your political opinions. Drork (talk) 15:10, 1 January 2010 (UTC)

Please keep your personal remarks to yourself. Also I would like to know why an illustration to one of Aesop's fables should not be included in the category. // Liftarn (talk) 17:10, 1 January 2010 (UTC)