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It´s not "el Cid´s" sword, it´s San Fernando´s. It´s at the Royal Armoury, Madrid.
--unsigned comment by 89.7.1.84 (留言 · 貢獻) on 23:34, 25 December 2008‎

It's neithers el Cid's other sword, nor Ferdinand's III sword. It is Alphons' X sword.

--unsigned comment by 188.78.194.212 (留言 · 貢獻) on 23:34, 23:27, 7 June 2013‎

Joyosa (G22)

The pictured sword is the sword catalogued G22 by the armoury.

Hoffmeyer calls it "The sword of San Fernando (or Alfonso el Sabio)" and says "chronologically it can belong to both of the two kings, father and son" (source: Hoffmeyer, Ada Bruhn de (1982) Arms & Armour in Spain II: A Short Survey^[1], CSIC, 國際標準期刊號 0435-029X, pages 39, 50–51).

You can verify this is G22 against the black and white photograph in: Catálogo histórico-descriptivo de la Real Armería de Madrid^[2], Madrid: [s.n.], 1898, pages 203 For better resolution use the Internet archive copy--Kiyoweap (talk) 07:32, 13 March 2014 (UTC)

This sword "G22" was once claimed to be Roland's sword, "Joyosa de Bel cortar" in the inventory of the treasury of Segovia, compiled by Gaspar de Gricio [Grizio], secretary to Isabella I. That information is in both the Catálogo (1898) and Hoffmeyer, p. 46 (in English).

Colada (G21)

The sword which has traditionally been mistaken for Colada is "G21", which is identifiable San Fernando's sword named "Lobera" (with its grip replaced by a 16th century hilt), according to the above sources.

To further complicated matters, someone has posted the misidentified picture File:Lobera. Espada de Fernando III el Santo.JPG (which is being used in the w:Lobera (sword) article). That sword, which is from the Seville cathedral, is discussed by Hoffmeyer (1982), and you see its photo on p.41, but this is another of San Fernando's swords that is not "Lobera".--Kiyoweap (talk) 08:45, 13 March 2014 (UTC)