File talk:Flag of the Ottoman Empire (1844–1922).svg

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Reverted to version as of 22:09, 1 April 2018 (UTC)

To clarify my revert, the new flag which was uploaded on 19 May 2018 is the Turkish national flag, not the Ottoman one. Redman19 (留言) 11:23, 19 May 2018 (UTC)

@Redman19, what do you mean the new flag is the Turkish national flag? Are you saying you can't see the distinction between this and this? Not that there actually needs to be a distinction; Ottoman flag and Turkish flag are not distinct, it's just that the proportions were standardized in 1936. Before 1936, various proportions were used depending on the manufacturer. While simplifying the SVG code I just adjusted the shapes slightly in accordance with the source images (including the one I added) to reflect them better.--Orwellianist (留言) 15:25, 19 May 2018 (UTC)

I reverted back, and added a few other sources about the ratios.--Orwellianist (留言) 20:57, 21 May 2018 (UTC)

Hello. I am the original uploader of the earlier Ottoman flag and I'd like to add my two cents. Until 2007, Ottoman Empire article was using the Flag of Turkey. The community decided that it needs a different flag because the Turkish flag was not standardized until mid 1930s. As a design student and an active Wikipedian back then, I made several different versions that we could use in the article - maybe within half an hour. While they were vaguely based in some old photos, I honestly never gave it the attention it deserves. One of these flags were adopted by the community after a rather quick discussion (at least by Wikipedia standards.) Some time after that DsMurat made a color update and it has been stable ever since. (See archives of the Talk:Ottoman Empire for original discussion)

If my personal opinion matters, I think Orwellianist's version of the flag better represents the flag used in the final years of the Ottoman Empire. Therefore, I support the change. I also think that Orwellianist's version is significantly different than the original flags I and DsMurat have uploaded, so Orwellianist needs to be credited appropriately (which I'll do in a moment.) Finally, I happen to know a professor in Middle Eastern studies who knows quite a bit about Ottoman Flag history. I'll bring him to the discussion and get his opinion on the matter so we can resolve this issue for good.

Let's redesign the flag of an Empire that ceased to exist ~100 years ago! Kerem Ozcan (留言) 05:14, 26 June 2018 (UTC)

all sources should be web archived

please do this. internet wont last forever, but https://archive.org/ should. ----modern_primat ඞඞඞ ^TALK 18:28, 9 May 2023 (UTC)