File talk:Generation timeline.svg

 

Data is fully unsourced

The diagram itself is the "own work" of an editor. However, for diagrams that present data, the *data* also needs to be sourced. Surely, the creating editor has those sources available and it should be a straightforward matter to add them in. For the mean time, I added a "citation needed" type of caution against using the diagram until the sourcing is straightened out. 142.105.159.178 20:37, 15 June 2021 (UTC)

Fair point. The info is from en:Generation#Western_world. I suppose one could list the references in the file description page but that would lead to redundancy and links going out of sync when the page is updated. Cheers, cmɢʟee ⋅τaʟκ 11:58, 17 June 2021 (UTC)

There is misleading information on this diagram. There isn’t a general ending yet to z....If your going of by pew. It’s clear they have never put an ending to their opinion on the demographic. Also generation Alpha description is completely misleading. There is little to no talk about generation alpha starting times especially and ending range to it. It seems like the photo has pew Research views on it which is fine but as soon as you start putting arbitrary endings and starting ranges to generation z and Alpha it just gets unrealistic and misleading. Especially since it’s not sourced. You should completely erase the generation alpha description on the picture and take away the ending range for z. You should also source it as pew research somewhat since that is what it’s obviously going of by. Joseph165 (留言) 10:35, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

@Joseph165: I find your tone rather hostile, and would be more receptive if it were less accusatory and commanding. May I invite you to take up your changes with en:Generation#Western_world? Once it's stable, I'll be happy to update the date ranges according to the article. Thanks, cmɢʟee ⋅τaʟκ 22:50, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

Cropping of en-simple

Because of the way that it was cropped and is rendered, the image often cuts off a bit of the Greatest Generation text. It's not a huge issue, just a little annoying to look at (particularly on the Wikipedia Generations sidebar) but perhaps the person who originally created the SVG could re-crop it in a way that leaves a little more room on the right? Someone else could do it obviously, I just wouldn't know how. BappleBusiness (留言) 19:37, 18 June 2021 (UTC)

@BappleBusiness: I created the SVG and don't see it cropped. The image I get is http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/3e/Generation_timeline.svg/langsimple-290px-Generation_timeline.svg.png . Can you please send the link to the image similar to the above? Thanks, cmɢʟee ⋅τaʟκ 22:06, 18 June 2021 (UTC)

Hi @Cmglee: , thanks for replying! It's okay in some resolutions, but on en:Template:Generations sidebar it cuts off the n (at least on the screens I've tried). I've tried changing the dimensions of the image on the sidebar, but in order for the n not to be cut off the image has to be either absurdly large or small, so I thought it might be easier to ask about the cropping here. I've attached an image below. BappleBusiness (留言) 01:23, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

File:Generations sidebar screenshot june 20 2021.jpg

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Thanks, @BappleBusiness: That's strange indeed, as I don't see it on my system. Nevertheless, before I could further investigate it, @The.thales: has uploaded several translations (for which I'm grateful). Can you please check if the problem still occurs? Thanks, cmɢʟee ⋅τaʟκ 22:53, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

As far as I'm aware, the problem only happens on the simple version of the image that (unless I missed something) is only available in English. On the full images, even in other translations, the words are far away from the edge of the image so letters don't get cut off when they are rendered. BappleBusiness (留言) 21:14, 25 June 2021 (UTC)

I made the font larger in the simple version to make it more visible in the infobox. I can shrink it if it helps, as there doesn't seem much space to expand otherwise. Cheers, cmɢʟee ⋅τaʟκ 22:00, 25 June 2021 (UTC)

I'm not sure how you made the image, but to me, it looks like if you added another decade (2040) to the right side there should be enough room for the words. If it has to stay the same aspect ratio (I don't know how variations of SVGs work on here), two options that fix the issue would be to add a decade on the right but get rid of a decade on the left (which would hide the very beginning of the Lost Generation bar) or make the font smaller like you said (we could do it just for the Greatest Generation text if that doesn't look weird, to maintain maximum readability). BappleBusiness (留言) 23:09, 25 June 2021 (UTC)

@BappleBusiness: Adding more years will effectively shrink the font size as the image gets wider but the thumbnail is the same width. Thus, I've condensed just the "Greatest Generation" label to 95% the original value. The text is no longer cropped from 260 to 290 px width. cmɢʟee ⋅τaʟκ 18:58, 27 June 2021 (UTC)

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The latest SVG thumbnail renderer (rsvg) does not seem to recognise systemLanguage="simple" anymore. I've requested help on en:Special:Diff/1160401494. cmɢʟee ⋅τaʟκ 08:26, 25 June 2023 (UTC)

Renaming "simple" to "en-simple" as per http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3ASVG_help&diff=1165024758&oldid=1164965717 fixed it. cmɢʟee ⋅τaʟκ 00:39, 16 July 2023 (UTC)

Chart update

Should the War on Terror and Web 2.0 parts really be extending that far into the chart? It's been argued the GWOT, or at least the main portion, ended in 2021 (the National Defense Service Medal stopped being offered after December 2022). Also, Web3 started being discussed more around 2021, which some argue is the successor to Web 2.0. 204.111.198.147 18:40, 29 June 2023 (UTC)

Thanks! https://prhome.defense.gov/Portals/52/Documents/MRA_Docs/OEPM/NDSM%20Authorized%20Conflicts%20-%202022%2009%2009.pdf?ver=mEPo1_zdH7zCEh7l6xlmag%3d%3d convinces me that at least the US WOT ended on 30 Dec 2022. I'll update the chart.

The case for Web 2.0 is less clear-cut, though. Cheers, cmɢʟee ⋅τaʟκ 20:55, 29 June 2023 (UTC)

Thank you. Also, the text isn't displaying for the "Great Depression" part.--204.111.198.147 15:04, 30 June 2023 (UTC)

Thanks and well spotted. I've restored the "Great Depression" label lost in the 00:38, 19 May 2021 version and tried to translate it into the available languages. Cheers, cmɢʟee ⋅τaʟκ 22:01, 30 June 2023 (UTC)

The text veers a bit off the shaded part because of its size. Maybe you could nudge the text more into the shade or align it to the right to make it fit more.--204.111.198.147 17:39, 1 July 2023 (UTC)

I haven't much choice, as the word "Depression" is too long and would clash with the "2" of "WW2", so decided to centre the whole phrase between "WW1" and "WW2". We also beed to consider that the diagram is translated into several languages and potentially many more. cmɢʟee ⋅τaʟκ 17:47, 1 July 2023 (UTC)