File talk:Gezicht op Lissabon met een oorlogsschip in de haven, Bestanddeelnr 191-0201.jpg

Rename ?

There's a rename request to move this to File:German cruiser Emden in Lisbon, May 1935.jpg

I've revoked this (for the moment at least), for the following reasons.

• The current name isn't incorrect, just vague.
• Filenames have two functions: they act both as a description and also as an ordinal identifier. This image is one of an enormous set (300,000), itself containing the work of one photographer (30,000), from the Dutch national archive. They created the original name, they're likely to persist in using it. If we rename this file locally, we break the obvious link to that archive. The archive has two naming schemes, a text-based name and an ID number (191-0201). Losing the link to the archive is a perennial nuisance, and often leads to duplicated files here (we've already seen those for this photographer collection).
• It is valuable to identify the ship. We've already done that, through the Commons catagorization, and we can easily (and should) add it to the description metadata here.

We can rename or not. But IMHO, the value of renaming is outweighed by the value of keeping the link to the archive clearly evident.

If we do renamce, it should at least be to File:German cruiser Emden in Lisbon, May 1935 191-0201.jpg and thus preserving the archive's ID number in the filename. Andy Dingley (留言) 00:39, 2 November 2018 (UTC)

I don't see any value in that - Commons is a Wikimedia project, not an extension of the Dutch national archives. We should name files in a way that makes sense for our purposes, not theirs. And that means using names that adequately describe their contents. Parsecboy (留言) 00:13, 3 November 2018 (UTC)