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Is this map correct? I think it is totally wrong --Inov2011 (talk) 00:12, 19 June 2013 (UTC)
- It's got its source of data cited in the image description. What about it do you think might be incorrect? Fut.Perf. ☼ 05:44, 19 June 2013 (UTC)
- Well I really do not understand these colours. I saw the source, but I cannot check it. I am Greek, and as greek is my mother tongue, I disagree with this colours in the mainland. If this map is about modern greek, as spoken today, there is no difference between the purple colours and the "pink" in the regions of Attica, South Euboea or Patras and other big cities in the peloponnese. So I really do not understand this "pink" colour --Inov2011 (talk) 13:36, 19 June 2013 (UTC)
- It might help you to read the article on en-wp about en:Varieties of Modern Greek, which uses this map and another similar one, together with some of the literature cited there (or the corresponding el-wp article el:Διάλεκτοι της Νεοελληνικής γλώσσας#Κεντρικές διάλεκτοι). I'm not quite sure which colour contrast you are referring to in talking about "Patras and other big cities in the Peloponnese" (the map doesn't mark off either Patras or any other larger city on the Peloponnese). If you are referring to the small dark red dots in Mani, central Euboea and Megara, those refer to a group of highly conservative remnant dialects that are now mostly extinct (as described in the en-wp article). The larger boundary between the purple "northern dialects" and the pink southern ones that crosses the mainland between Attica and Boeotia is meant to represent the extent of "northern vocalism" (i.e. pronuncations like "του σκ'λι" for "το σκυλί"), which are characteristic of traditional rural dialects north of that line. Fut.Perf. ☼ 16:14, 19 June 2013 (UTC)
- Not I am nor refering to these dots, but to the larger boundary. Still, this "vocalism" is not present any more to cities... (it's σκυλί everywhere.... )
- It might help you to read the article on en-wp about en:Varieties of Modern Greek, which uses this map and another similar one, together with some of the literature cited there (or the corresponding el-wp article el:Διάλεκτοι της Νεοελληνικής γλώσσας#Κεντρικές διάλεκτοι). I'm not quite sure which colour contrast you are referring to in talking about "Patras and other big cities in the Peloponnese" (the map doesn't mark off either Patras or any other larger city on the Peloponnese). If you are referring to the small dark red dots in Mani, central Euboea and Megara, those refer to a group of highly conservative remnant dialects that are now mostly extinct (as described in the en-wp article). The larger boundary between the purple "northern dialects" and the pink southern ones that crosses the mainland between Attica and Boeotia is meant to represent the extent of "northern vocalism" (i.e. pronuncations like "του σκ'λι" for "το σκυλί"), which are characteristic of traditional rural dialects north of that line. Fut.Perf. ☼ 16:14, 19 June 2013 (UTC)
- Well I really do not understand these colours. I saw the source, but I cannot check it. I am Greek, and as greek is my mother tongue, I disagree with this colours in the mainland. If this map is about modern greek, as spoken today, there is no difference between the purple colours and the "pink" in the regions of Attica, South Euboea or Patras and other big cities in the peloponnese. So I really do not understand this "pink" colour --Inov2011 (talk) 13:36, 19 June 2013 (UTC)
In the greek wikipedia, it says that one map if from the 1900... Todat I don't think that many people talk like that
- By the way, what is the explantion of all other colours? --Inov2011 (talk) 12:57, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
- It's not "from 1900"; it's based on a 2003 work which uses the 1900 (i.e. pre-1923) geographic extent of a contiguous Greek-speaking area as its geographical point of reference. Of course, these are meant to be "traditional" dialects; it's taking the nation-wide existence of more standard speech styles among urban and educated speakers for granted. I recommend you read the article (Trudgill 2003) to understand what choices the mapping is based on. (Unfortunately, it seems to be no longer online at the place it was when the file was uploaded, but it's of course still available as an academic publication via normal channels.)
- If you compare the two maps, you will notice that the south-eastern insular area marked in orange in this map basically corresponds to the extent of the retention of final -n, and the southern yellow area is mostly that which has palatalization of k. Fut.Perf. ☼ 13:42, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
- By the way, what is the explantion of all other colours? --Inov2011 (talk) 12:57, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
