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Hello, Wiki-Ed. I am wondering if you can clear up some questions I have about en:Image:Paratroopers Crete '41.JPG.

For the source of the photo, you write, "From collection of Wiki-Ed's great uncle, probably traded". What does this mean exactly? Does it mean that your great uncle took the photo, or that someone else did and your great uncle traded for it? You have also tagged the image with {{PD-self}}, which says, "I, the creator of this work…", but apparently you are not actually the creator?

Also, in the summary section you say that the image is released under the GFDL, but in the licensing section you state that you have released the image into the public domain. Which of these is the case? —Bkell (talk) 16:38, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

Interesting photo that one. My great uncle was in the Royal Navy and his ship went all over the place during the war. He took many pictures and because of the medals he had we (my family) know it is quite possible that he was in each of the locations - including being on land - at the time that the event portrayed actually occurred. However, we also know that servicemen traded photos around and it is equally possible that he traded a copy of one of his better photos for this dramatic image of paratroopers landing in Crete (I should point out that to my eye it looks like it has been touched up slightly). However, since he passed away 20 years ago I cannot ask him and can only assume it is genuine and that he took it. It was in his collection, was labelled in his handwriting and I now have the print.

As for the licensing, I've digistised the original, cropped it and tinkered with the contrast/resolution. I didn't take the original so I haven't "created" it as such (and I've made that clear) but as far as I can see there is no applicable licensing template for a situation where the current owner digistises and edits an image taken by someone in his family who has passed away and bequeathed possessions to a relative. Grateful if you could suggest the correct tag if it is incorrect. Wiki-Ed 20:24, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

Okay, I see. I guess the question still remains: do you want to release it under the GFDL, which allows anyone to use or modify it for any purpose as long as they release their derivative works under the GFDL, or do you want to release it into the public domain, which places absolutely no restrictions on what anyone can do with the photo? —Bkell (talk) 22:04, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

Given the circumstances I think GFDL is more appropriate. I've changed it accordingly. Wiki-Ed 22:45, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

Assuming that you don't mind, I'm going to copy this discussion to the image's talk page. —Bkell (talk) 01:02, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

• • • I have this exact photo and I got it from my father's photo album. He was an RCAF bomber pilot based in Helwan, Egypt as part of the Desert Air Force in 42 & 43. I have a ton of other photos that are pro-german and pro-italian as well. I couldn't figure out where he got them from. All of those certain photos have the words "SELO" surrounded by a Diamond logo on the back of the photographic paper for all of these types of photos and the rest of his do not. SELO is Ilford paper, and Ilford is an English company. My guess is that some Allied member confiscated some negatives or simply took/found them and printed them at an allied photo lab and made some money on them through their sale or trade. So based on this, it is reasonable to deduce that he got them from another source. If your uncle took this picture then he was part of the German or Italian military and not part of the Allied forces because the rest of the ones that I have seen were not taken by a member of the Allied Forces unless he was undercover or some kind of spy. The Battle of Crete was in 41 and my father was in Dafoe Canada learning to fly during that time period. For this reason I don't think this photo was "taken by someone in his family", and your claims of such are unfounded. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.85.196.224 (talk) 02:16, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

Wow, that’s pretty convoluted. A) who says this is a pro-Axis photo? B) where does it show that this photo was printed in Ilford and how is this relevant? C) Why is it not possible for a member of the allied forces on the ground in Crete at this time to have taken the picture? D) What does it matter where your father was at the time? E) How is this related to my great uncle?

As explained above, this photo was scanned in. It came from a collection of photos owned by a late relative. He featured in some of those photos and he had been to all the places featured in the rest. Did he take them all? Clearly not since he was in some of them. Did he own the camera that was used? Certainly for some of them; not sure about all of them. However, someone took this photo at some point and unless they can assert definitive copyright I don't see why this should come out on the basis that you claim to have the "same" photo in your album. Wiki-Ed (talk) 10:11, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

[File talk:Paratroopers Crete '41.JPG blockquoted above by Athaenara (talk) 21:31, 11 May 2009 (UTC)]