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Possible peculiarities...

Don't want to unnecessarily criticize, but it seems a little odd that symbols of groups with extremely small numbers of adherents are placed side-by-side with groups with millions of adherents. Also, I would guess that some Muslims could be offended by applying the word إمان to Pagan belief systems. And ΠΙΣΤΙΣ is the ancient Greek word, while ΠΙΣΤΗ is modern Greek only... AnonMoos (talk) 02:01, 1 December 2011 (UTC)

That is not criticism, but a good point... there are symbols of a great religions as well as symbols of a small-ones all together.
That was an intention to put together these two sides of religions... there are pictures showing symbols of the "great" religions together... there are pictures showing symbols of the "tiny" pagan religions together... but none showing them all. This picture was created to be used on portals about religions. These portals, by their definition, by the the definition of their topic, are about religions, generaly about religions, including big-ones as well as small-ones. They are about all what is represented by all of these sixteen symbols.
I am fully aware of the fact that this picture cannot be used on any specific article. But it was not created to be used there. On the contrary it was created to be (and it is) suitable for the religion-portals, which are about all what is behind of the word "religion", no matter of numbers. And maybe on the articles of the same general topic.
That greek word... intention was not to use ancient languages (by this logick is wrong and in an incorrect form at least a half of the circle) but to use the wide spectrum of languages through the world and through variety of writting systems. The only ancient language is latin and yet this language is liturgical language of the big religion. And I am thinking about a reupload with added spanish, chinese and hebrew.
As well as I am thinking about replacing Yin-Yang symbol by another asian symbol, it is not exactly symbol of religion, but a symbol of principle common to more asian religions. For the same reason I didn't use a pentacle, it is a religious symbol but not symbol of the religion.
Niusereset (talk) 10:30, 1 December 2011 (UTC)

Correction, Yin-Yang symbol is a symbol of Taoism, my mistake... description corrected, but to the text-circle I will add the three languages mentioned above.
About the muslims... some of them could be also offended just by that symbol of their faith is with the symbol of crux, jew-star... and others symbols of infidel dogs, like it is e.g. on this picture. As well as I can be offended that the symbol of my faith is here with the symbol of a religion which whiped out mine and damaged, if not even destroyed, temples of my gods. But I have to cope with this. And so should them.
Niusereset (talk) 13:50, 1 December 2011 (UTC)

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First off, the star and crescent is not actually strictly a religious symbol of Islam as such, but rather a Muslim cultural or community symbol, and also a symbol of historical Muslim empires. That's why Muslims often take a relatively relaxed view toward uses of the star and crescent, while they would often be less relaxed toward uses of Arabic-script renderings of key Islamic terms (the "shahadah" phrase, etc.).

More importantly, your juxtaposition of symbols of major world religions with symbols of European and Middle Eastern neo-paganism may reflect your own views, but it could be considered very curiously selective from a broad "global perspective" -- e.g. where's Zoroastrianism, Yezidism, Mandaeism, Druze, Shinto, Voudoun, Rastafarianism, Candomblé, etc. etc.?? -- and I'm really not so sure that it's very suitable for use as a religion portal image. AnonMoos (talk) 19:27, 1 December 2011 (UTC)

Nobody is stoping you to make a better one.
But yes, as I am thinkig abou it I see ways how to improve it... I stil don't se the problem with the arabic word... it is just a word, just a translation of the rest of the circle, but if you insist on, the text-circle can be replaced by second inner symbol-circle, which gives me space for eight more symbols to be put in... I also have an idea of rearangment of the symbols
But I need the list of faiths to be added... at least eight. I don't see a possibility to put there more symbols than 24, even now it can be problematic to recognise them on resolutions under 125px (not mentioning under 100px), so something just have to be skipped, there is no place to put them all, not without complete redesign of the image. And to make another shape than a circle is out of the question, it would ruin the entire idea of that image with the globe in the middle. As well as there have to be symbols of several neopagan faiths, that was the reason I made it, to create an image containing symbols of great main religions together with symbols of neopagan faiths.
Niusereset (talk) 20:33, 1 December 2011 (UTC)

And what is funnier about that? Images which were mostly used on headline of religion portals were only with 9symbols, and sometimes even only 4symbols. What make these images more suitable for the religion portals than mine? Why is mine, with 16symbols, so unsuitable for this?

Well... from this image I took eight symbols of a great religions (the other eight were taken from pagan-symbols image), which leaves me eight more symbols...

• Shinto I considered as a replacement of Yin-Yang before I realised, it is a smybol of Taoism. It definately should be there.
• Sun cross is not a symbol of any particular religion... which makes it totaly needless for my image.
• Dzinism has there two symbols, but of course I will use only one... swastika, which is used often as the symbol of this faith.
• Ayyavali, where the most follower declare themselves as hindus, and hinduism I already have here. Needless.
• Triple goddess is a wiccan symbol... which I allready have there. And for more fun it also means triple goddess. Needless.
• Cross pattée is a christian symbol... and christianity is already there. Needless.
• Hands of god is already on the image. Needless.

Wow! A great score, from the second half of the image we have only two candidates to be used.

What else we have here.

• Rastafari - what is their symbol? Ethiop-flag? Ankh? Jew-star? Marihuana? These are the results of google, but I need a usable symbol.
• Zoroastrianism - I am not sure if that religion still exists or if it has contemporary neopagan form. Tell me yes and I will use it.
• Mandaeism - not even google could find me a symbol... without the symbol they cannot be there.
• Druze - interesting religion, but in fact very closely related to islam... candidate to be skipped
• Voodoo - interesting choice but with the question of symbol... What to use? There are too many different variations... What to choose?
• Candomblé - and again the question of the symbol... I almost start to feel like broken gramo...

Six more faiths but so few usable symbols... I need more than this. And if I get (in total) more than eight aditional symbols (not just religious symbols but symbols of religion), I can start to think about skipping some of the neopagan symbols I already hav there. But at this point I don't have enaught image to complete inner circle, not mentioning skipping of any already used symbols.

Niusereset (talk) 21:36, 1 December 2011 (UTC)

Whatever -- none of this changes the fact that your choice of which religions to symbolize is rather oddly selective, making your image less useful than you seem to think it is. And if you insist on calling the Star of David "the jew-star"[sic], be prepared for a highly-negative reaction from many English mother-tongue speakers... AnonMoos (talk) 05:43, 2 December 2011 (UTC)

Well my choice of which faith on the picture is odd... but to use as the portal-image those with the halh number of faiths on isnt, or what? That is a thing we still argue about but you never explaind. Why is my image odd, when the pictures usualy used have even less symbols than mine? And when I'm trying to improve the image and asking you for help... I'm truly asking for help to find symbols I couldn't find or help to choose there, where are more different symbols like voodoo has. As well as I am asking for faiths that has more right to be there than those I already used... And your only answer is that it always will be odd despite all I am trying to improve? That is a great help... Why is my picture unsuitable, when usualy is as a portal-image used a image with half of a symbol? Or when is sometimes used that 16square image, even there is less faiths than I do 'cause christianity is there twice, jainism is there twice, hindu is there twice and the sun-cross is not even symbol of any particular faith... which makes only 12 faiths to be represented there. I have more. Even now I have on the image more faiths than any image on commons, without duplicities, without non-particular symbols. And now I am trying to improve it, to expand the image and have there even more faiths to be presented there... and it is still odd? There always will be some choices. There are now... I am offering more than any image here, with the possibility to add there even more... and yet it is my image, which is odd, which is unsuitable for portals.
So I am asking you again for help, this time more clearly... I need faits you think they should by on this image. But I'm not asking only for the faith-name, but also for the symbol, which represent the religion and which can be used there. I need at least eight symbols, that is the minimum necesary to create a new image. At this point I may have eight additional faiths... but only four symbols.
By the way... I am not antisemitic if you trying to ascribe me nazi-rasism... But I am not writing here some public speech or enouncement for newspapers. In the first case I used it for purpouse and by the style of the entire sentence it should be obious. In the second case... Its just because it is short and I wanted to be sure the line will not break and the list keeps straight and clear.
Niusereset (talk) 10:24, 2 December 2011 (UTC)

"Ręce Boga"

Why there is used "Ręce Boga" in this graphic to represent Slavic Paganism? This symbol is hardly used outside Poland. -- 18:35, 28 October 2012‎ 178.36.28.127

Not sure that's the main problem -- the major difficulty is the curiously selective placing of European-derived neopaganisms alongside major world religions, ignoring all other religious traditions... AnonMoos (talk) 02:57, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

I asked you, AnonMoos, several times why is this image with 16 symbols odd and less suitable for religious portals, than images with 8 or 9 symbols. I asked several times, still no answer on this.
About the "Ręce Boga" symbol... tell me what should be there instead and it will be there instead.
Niusereset (talk) 21:55, 25 May 2013 (UTC)