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Dacians as Slavs, Costoboci uncertain on the Roman Empire Map?

w:Dacians are marked with the same color as w:Slavs which is completely incorrect and unfortunate. While w:Costoboci and Carpi, considered by most historians as Dacian, are in a blue/uncertain color. While w:Bastarnae who are a w:Celtic-w:Germanic mix with possible Dacian elements is marked as Germanic for sure. This is raising serious questions about the map and its neutrality. I suggest at least a distinct Dacian color and section in the legend. --Codrinb (talk) 20:55, 5 January 2011 (UTC)

Probably very little is known about many of these peoples, and the map author is much more focused on mapping inside the Roman empire. Anyway, the 138 A.D. map in Colin McEvedy's Atlas of Ancient History shades the Bastarnae as Celtic, and unnamed regions to the west and south of the Bastarnae as Baltic... AnonMoos (talk) 03:45, 6 January 2011 (UTC)

About Bastrae yes, little source, but w:Dacia was on of the largest enemy of Rome and a lot is known. And another broader point is this: Due to the hard work of the author, this map is used by a LOT of pages, and significant changes to it should involve more discussions and scrutiny from now on. It can no longer be updated with radical changes without impacting other articles. Otherwise it becomes some sort of Trojan horse, pushing incorrect information to many articles in one shot. --Codrinb (talk) 17:02, 6 January 2011 (UTC)

Take a look also at w:Talk:Roman_Empire#Dacians as Slavs, Costoboci uncertain on the Roman Empire Map?--Codrinb (talk) 19:18, 6 January 2011 (UTC)

The sourcing's nice and all

but, no, the Cherusci at least were lost to history by the time of Hadrian. You can't use historians from the era giving the German situation under Augustus and consider that Hadrian's neighbors would look the same because the historians were writing under or just before Hadrian's time. It would be like a present-day map of Europe labeling France's neighbors as the Habsburg Empire and Kingdom of Prussia because there are academics who write about them in French universities.

Presumably the other tribes are just as anachronistic and need as much individual scrutiny before further inclusion. — LlywelynII 17:00, 22 October 2022 (UTC)