File talk:Ustaše militia execute prisoners near the Jasenovac concentration camp.jpg

• 'Description: Ustasa militia execute prisoners near the Jasenovac concentration camp

The location of that photohraph is questionable as in some of the books the location and explanation was not near the Jasenovac concentration camp.

1. In a book Prva godina narodno-oslobodilačkog rata na području Korduna, Gline, Like, Gorskog kotra, Pokuplja i Žumberka, Zbornik III, Historijski arhiv u Karlovcu, Karlovac, 1971., 736/737. Location for that photograph is said to be in Lika, 1942.

2. In a catalogue book by Muzej Vojvodine iz Novog Sada i Muzej žrtava genocida iz Beograda, Katalog izložbe: Jasenovac, sistem ustaških logora smrti - Jasenovac, autor izložbe i kataloga: Mladenko Kumović, Novi Sad, 1994., 29. The location is said to be East Herzegovina, Summer of 1941.

More explanation at pages 38.-40. in book Jasenovac Fotomonografija, Nataša Mataušić, Spomen područje Jasenovac, Zagreb, 2008., ISBN 978-953-99169-4-5--Rovoobo (talk) 09:03, 22 October 2012 (UTC)

Na slici nema niti jednog Ustaše. Osobe na slici nose uglavnom bijele košulje kakve ustaše nisu nosile. Vide se različiti dijelovi civilne odjeće, različita obuća, opasači i hlače. Nema niti jedog Ustaše s naoružanjem i u odori kakvu su nosili Ustaše 212.15.177.35 16:29, 25 March 2023 (UTC)

Propaganda information in the context of the image?

@Magog the Ogre and Peacemaker67:

"Petoj skupini fotografija pripadaju one kojima je tematska pripadnost upitna. Njihovi fotografi su nepoznati. Često je bila dovoljna činjenica da prikazuju neki od počinjenih ustaških zločina da ih se atributira sa zločinom počinjenim u KL Jasenovac.... Originalna fotografija nalazi se u Hrvatskom državnom arhivu s opisom koji ne određuje ni mjesto ni vrijeme: Ustaše kolju nad jamom — skupnom grobnicom. U knjizi Prva godina NOR-a... dobila je opis: Ustaška zvjerstva u Lici, 1942, U knjizi Milana Bulajića: Ustaški koljači spremaju se da ubiju jednog zatočenika u Jasenovcu, 1942. Antun Miletić donosi pak opis: Jasenovačke ustaše na delu. No, to nije sve. U katalogu izložbe Jasenovac, sistem ustaških logora smrti - Jasenovac Muzeja Vojvodine iz Novog Sada i Muzeja žrtava genocida iz Beograda, fotografija iz 1994. godine ima slijedeći opis: U leto 1941. jame u Istočnoj Hercegovini su napunjene hiljadama pobijenih Srba.... The fifth group of photos includes those whose thematic affiliation is questionable. Their photographers are unknown. It was often enough the fact that they show some of the Ustasha crimes committed and it is attribute to the crime committed in KL Jasenovac. The original photo is in the Croatian State Archives and does not specify neither place nor time: the Ustaše slaughter over the pit — a mass grave. In the book First year of NOR... it was described: Ustaša atrocities in Lika, 1942. In Milan Bulajić's book: Ustaša butchers prepare to kill a prisoner in Jasenovac, 1942. Antun Miletić provides a description: Jasenovac Ustaše at work. But that's not all. In the catalog of the exhibition Jasenovac, system of Ustasha death camps - Jasenovac of the Museum of Vojvodina from Novi Sad and the Museum of Genocide Victims from Belgrade, photo from 1994 has the following description: In the summer of 1941, pits in Eastern Herzegovina were filled with thousands of murdered Serbs."

Mataušić, Nataša Jasenovac - fotomonografija. Zagreb: Spomen-područje Jasenovac, 2008, page 40.'[1]

Given that the primary source (picture) is in the Croatian State Archives and is not mentioned in the context of Jasenovac, and other sources define it differently, the claim that the said picture shows "Ustaše militia execute prisoners near the Jasenovac concentration camp" is in relation to the primary source as well as the secondary source of Nataša Mataušić OR possible and FRINGE. Nataša Mataušić herself notes in the source: "Kako se jedna te ista fotografija s različitim opisima, može koristiti za ilustriranje ustaškog zločina počinjenog na mjestu sukladnom autorskim pretenzijama, vrlo rječito govori fotografija koja prikazuje likvidaciju muškarca nad grobnom jamom. Desno stoji grupa vojnika (oznake na kapama koje bi ih svrstale u bilo koju postrojbu nisu »čitljive«)... How one and the same photograph with different descriptions can be used to illustrate the Ustasha crime committed in a place in accordance with the author's pretensions, speaks very eloquently of the photograph showing the liquidation of a man by a grave pit. On the right stands a group of soldiers (marks on the caps that would classify them in any unit are not "readable"). Mikola22 (トーク) 04:42, 24 May 2024 (UTC)