Category talk:Roads and streets

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Category:Streets named after Kyiv

Move to Category:Roads and streets named Kyiv to match parent and peers. -- Themightyquill (talk) 07:59, 1 June 2022 (UTC)

@Themightyquill: Why are these categories named "roads and streets"? Isn't a street a type of road? Isn't this like the argument we had a while back to change "Buildings and structures" to just one or the other? The argument was that saying "buildings and structures" (and in this case, "roads and streets") is like saying "carrots and vegetables". --Auntof6 (talk) 07:46, 15 June 2022 (UTC)

You might be right. I suspect the concern was that we end up with both (e.g. Category:Roads named after Kyiv and subcategory Category:Streets named after Kyiv with just one or two entries each? We do have Category:Streets by name but no Category:Roads by name for some reason. Category:Roads and streets dates back to 2013. -- Themightyquill (talk) 08:24, 22 June 2022 (UTC)

I agree with Auntof6, since the category "Streets" accommodates address-forming objects and a "road" (as an address-forming object) is one of such objects. And if we consider a "road" not as an address-forming object then it will be "carrots and vegetables".--Александр Мотин (talk) 12:13, 23 June 2022 (UTC)

• From Russian Wikipedia:

Category:Streets in Saint Petersburg

Category:Streets in Saint Petersburg by type

Category:Roads in Saint Petersburg

--Александр Мотин (talk) 13:09, 23 June 2022 (UTC)

That should be the other way around. Streets should be under roads. -- Auntof6 (talk) 18:09, 23 June 2022 (UTC)

@Auntof6: it is correct because "road" means "doroga" (passage) here as the element of address (e.g. Torfyanaya Doroga). But the category should be named more accurate, e.g. Category:Dorogas in Saint Petersburg, in order to resolve ambiguity. --Александр Мотин (talk) 19:55, 23 June 2022 (UTC)

@Александр Мотин: Maybe so, but I think it should be decided according to the usual meaning of road and street here in Commons. If there is a different usage in Russia (or elsewhere), maybe the categories should be named with a transliteration of the terms from the relevant language (for example, "Dorogas in Saint Petersburg" instead of roads or streets). The usual Commons usage has nothing to do with whether the thing is used to form addresses; both roads and streets can have addresses. -- Auntof6 (talk) 20:24, 23 June 2022 (UTC)

I am okay with either roads under streets or streets under roads, but opposed to 'streets and roads'. Of course, this should be decided for roads/streets at large, not just for this particular category. Josh (talk) 11:39, 15 July 2022 (UTC)

I have tagged Category:Roads and streets with this CfD. I suggest we merge Category:Roads and streets into either Category:Roads or Category:Streets while the other of the two becomes a sub-category of the other. Josh (talk) 11:57, 15 July 2022 (UTC)

That sounds good. I would merge it into roads, because I think we categorize streets under roads. -- Auntof6 (talk) 20:46, 15 July 2022 (UTC)

I agree. Streets should be a sub-category of roads. In the United States history, there were "trails" that developed into "wilderness roads" or rural roads. Streets are predominantly urban. There were wilderness trails and rural roads, before urban areas with roads and streets. @Auntof6, @Joshbaumgartner, @Themightyquill, @Александр Мотин Ooligan (talk) 16:52, 31 October 2022 (UTC)

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Roads and streets has been merged to Roads. Overturned by Commons:Village_pump/Archive/2023/11#Roads_and_streets. "Dorogas" should be used for Saint Petersburg instead of "roads". --Sbb1413 (he) (talk • contribs) 09:39, 8 November 2023 (UTC)