Commons:Featured picture candidates/File:Beggar Woman.jpg

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File:Beggar Woman.jpg, not featured[edit]

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  •  Comment @Tomascastelazo what might be black-white for some for other can be white-black, so get your position. For me this should would be hard-for my mind. I suppose person would not like to be photographed, even if person affirmed shoting. Photographers bacame more predators, thats why i am affraid to go to shot my kindergarten. Too often we dont think on person which we shot at and how hard can it be. @Peulle: you gave us comparasion with migrating mother, for me more portrait shot (not begging). This citations tell all: "...the family wasn’t happy about the Migrant Mother photograph: “We were ashamed of it. We didn’t want no one to know who we were.” and "When the picture was taken, she claimed that Lange assured her the picture would never be published. She also said that Lange promised to send her a copy and she never did." Even more, they pumped up that story like CNN and FOX News does. One photographer said “To photograph it is to put on the same line of sight the head, the eye and the heart.” You gave one comparison, but i think this is more comparable. Hunting for the prize left many dead, not just for Pulitzer, even for "Like" on social media. You know...Mikey LIKES it! --Mile (talk) 14:36, 24 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • @Mile: I recommend reading the rest of the article too; as you can see, the ending goes: "Florence Owens Thompson suffered a stroke in August of 1983. Her family couldn’t afford the medical treatment, so they took advantage of their mother’s status as the Migrant Mother. They raised over $25,000 (about $58,000 today) for her medical care through donations from the American public. That experience changed the family’s opinion of the photograph as they realized how many people their mother’s picture touched.".--Peulle (talk) 18:29, 24 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Comment I think that as photographers we should document what is happening all around us in our society, not just pretty buildings, preferably as respectfully as possible. Looking back at history, we will always need photographs, however horrible, since they will make us understand things better than any text can do. Even so, photographers have often been used as scapegoats for people's frustration and anger over a situation they feel they can't handle. I spoke with some ambulance personnel not long ago. They told me that when they arrive at an accident, people are hurt, afraid, irrational and they need someone to lash out at. Since there are no others at the scene of the accident, they direct their anger and frustration at the police and ambulance personnel. So the ambulance guys are always grateful when the photographers arrive, since people turn on them instead and let the ambulance crew work in peace. There are many more strong, famous photos where people have blamed the photographer who documented it, instead of those responsible for the situation in the photo. It is a modern version of "shooting the messenger". --cart-Talk 17:06, 24 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Comment Well, I can say many things about this image, but my main argument is that of documenting a social reality, even though the issue may not be pretty. In this particular image, it is pretty sterile, for it really lacks the drama that the subject matter can elicit. I tried to illustrate the phenomena in a very clean, abstract manner. These beggars #REDIRECT [[1]], in my opinion, are doing a job, for they do it in a very systematic way. I try not to judge them on the personal level, but it also seems to me that they choose to do this over other activities that could earn them money. Why do I say that? Well, I´ve seen them in many places, and I can see when they beg out of necessity and when they beg as a job. There is a huge difference. But regardless of the motivation or conditions, begging is begging, and beggars use public spaces to do their thing, and as such, they are fair game photographically for documenting purposes, for they are the expression of a social condition that needs management, and photography is a tool to do just that. As an observer of social phenomena and as a photographer I document this with a cold mind and cold heart, not judging, just showing what is. --Tomascastelazo (talk) 19:09, 25 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Oppose With the hidden face this does not really affect me. --Uoaei1 (talk) 10:20, 23 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Comment Categories fixed. As for the objection by Mile, I don't understand why this image should show a lack of dignity or decency seeing as the face does not show. Furthermore, the subject should not be avoided for sensitivity's sake: poverty is a huge problem that seems only to grow, and Commons' role is to document such facts. Photographers must strive to find the balance between documenting people's desperate situations while not serving to actively ridicule them. If you would like to read about a more famous example, I recommend this article about the iconic image Migrant Mother.
For me personally, however, this specific image is not particularly moving. The distance to the subject is too close not to show the personal features, IMO; it's an image that I think should show the facial features of the person in question. I  Oppose for this reason.--Peulle (talk) 10:34, 23 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
 Info Bad idea. Now the image is over-categorized. Read more here.--Peulle (talk) 18:26, 24 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you. -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 05:48, 29 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Confirmed results:
Result: 7 support, 8 oppose, 0 neutral → not featured. /--cart-Talk 18:38, 1 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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