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Info created by Sandipoutsider - uploaded by Sandipoutsider - nominated by Bodhisattwa -- Bodhisattwa (talk) 14:39, 9 February 2022 (UTC)
Support -- Bodhisattwa (talk) 14:39, 9 February 2022 (UTC)
Oppose Poor quality undeclared compositeimage. Charlesjsharp (talk) 14:46, 9 February 2022 (UTC)
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- Oppose I agree that it's not of great quality, but how are you able to detect that it's a composite? -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 00:35, 10 February 2022 (UTC)
Comment Doubtful assumption about the photo being a composite, pinging @Sandipoutsider: , the photographer to confirm. -- Bodhisattwa (talk) 06:43, 10 February 2022 (UTC)
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- Oppose per Charles. Daniel Case (talk) 22:19, 9 February 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose per above. --SHB2000 (talk) 06:45, 10 February 2022 (UTC)
- Comment As the photographer of the image, I confirm that, this is not a composite image. The specimens where flying high above head. The faster shutter speed, high flash-sync and larger aperture have succeeded in keeping all three specimens relatively sharp and in focus. Thank you--Sandipoutsider (talk) 07:59, 10 February 2022 (UTC)
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- Comment Your response @Sandipoutsider: has made me look again. I have marked the area of the image which, when I look closely, the background noise on the butterfly and background did not seem consistent with one image. Many apologies if I have got this wrong and there has been a lot of selective processing. The RAW image would show my error. The other reason I was doubtful is that all three butterflies are nectaring; they all have their proboscis out and legs down. This is not the normal flight mode for any species. A butterfly curls its proboscis in flight. Check out images online (for this species see Butterflies of India website). How did you trigger the flash using spot metering? The camera did not record the on-camera flash being fired. Charlesjsharp (talk) 12:38, 10 February 2022 (UTC)
- Comment Someother issues that @Charlesjsharp: didn't metion are the weird DOF and some artifact below the left butterfly. As fas as DOF is concerned, the left butterfly, which isn't blurrry, looks to be infront of the blurry flower, which looks bigger, and thus closer, from the sharper flower below it. No lens creates DOF like that. Also, there looks to be an artifact, like a partially removed/cloned proboscis below the legs of the left butterfly. --C messier (talk) 17:17, 10 February 2022 (UTC)
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- Oppose Poor quality --Tagooty (talk) 16:29, 11 February 2022 (UTC)
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- Had you noticed @Sandipoutsider: that these three butterflies appear to have identical damage to the outer margin of their hindwings. I've not seen this before. Charlesjsharp (talk) 18:23, 11 February 2022 (UTC)
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- CommentSorry for the delay in responding . Here I am to tell you something.
The production of the raw file of the image in question could serve the best undoubtedly, but I am sadly to inform that I never keep the NEF raw files of the images as my storage capacity is limited. Plentiful pictures occur as I shoot butterflies twice or thrice every week. Hence I don’t have enough space in keeping the raw files. I edit on the jpg converted files.
In the point of uncoiled proboscis and legs down while flying ;- that day 7-8 Common Birdwings were nectaring, flying ,gliding and nectaring again & flying again and so on .There I saw some of them lying & hovering in between gaps of nectaring with their proboscis uncoiled & legs down in some occasion. For reference , I have uploaded two pictures vide file nos. https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Common_Birdwing_in_flight_WLB_DSC_0126.jpg & https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Common_Birdwing_in_flight_WLB_DSC_0125.jpg in Commons .
About flash triggering in spot metering , I humbly say that I never shoot butterflies without flash in all kind of light conditions using my non-TTL cheap price manual flash. But in none of my image’s metadata ever show any record of use of flash. I have checked even the photos shot in poor evening time light where shooting is impossible without flash, but in those too no metadata record of flash. I don’t know why it happens.
About the top left butterfly appearing bigger in size, I can only say with my little knowledge on butterfly Common Birdwing occur with wing span ranging from 140mm – 170/175mm .That day on that spot I saw Common Birdwings with varied sizes.
In the matter of noise distribution on the subjects & background (some flowers, butterflies & sky), I say that I have sharpened the butterflies & flower portions with smart sharpening tool to let them appear sharper & used gaussian blur tool in the sky portion to remove the heavy amount of noise generated after cropping the image . My old camera causes pretty good noise in the background in highlight and shadow parts when I crop images more.Hence , this sharpening & blurring operation may cause uneven noise level in the image when seen in zooming .
The right two butterflies are not the same , this is seen clearly in the gap of abdomen & wings of them . This is all I can say in this regard . Thank you all. --Sandipoutsider (talk) 03:20, 13 February 2022 (UTC)
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- Comment Thanks for this. I'm sorry if I doubted you, but the sort of selective processing you have done raised my suspicions. It doesn't really work. Can I suggest you keep the RAW files of you best images. I didn't process in RAW for a long time, but now I'm glad I kept them since 2015. Charlesjsharp (talk) 17:24, 13 February 2022 (UTC)
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