Commons:Valued image candidates/14-05-04-Střední-Smržovka v Jizerské hory-RalfR-34.jpg

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14-05-04-Střední-Smržovka v Jizerské hory-RalfR-34.jpg

promoted
Image
Nominated by Ralf Roleček on 2015-12-03 19:44 (UTC)
Scope Nominated as the most valued image on Commons within the scope:
Smržovka střed (train station)
Used in Global usage
Review
(criteria)
  • The scope is too narrow. The statement "Not any church is worth a Valued Image scope" (English link) / "Nicht jede Kirche ist einen Bereich wertvoller Bilder wert" (German link) applies equally to railway stations. This is a small railway station in a small town. Why is it sufficiently significant to warrant a VI?
  • The description is inadequate - while the use of Czech is welcome, I did not understand a single word of the text. If I clicked onto a word and it took me into the Czech-language Wikipedia, I could click on "English" in the left-hand column. I had to use Google Translate to understand the description. See here for more information in German or here for more information in English.
Martinvl (talk) 16:32, 4 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I have added german and english description. --Ralf Roleček 17:57, 4 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for the English and German descriptions. However I am still not happy about the scope and I cannot realy give advice on how to get a better scope. The only scope that I can think of "Minor railway station in the Czech Republic" which woudl be OK if the was represetnative of all the minor stations. Martinvl (talk) 18:15, 4 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
@DeFacto: May I draw your attention to Commons:Valued image criteria#2. Is nominated as being the most valuable within a suitably generic scope. which states that "... it defines a generic field or category ...". Generic is the opposite of "specific" or "particular", so your statement flies in the face of the concept of VI scoping. Martinvl (talk) 21:13, 4 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
@Martinvl: you seem to have missed the most important qualifier in that clause, that the scope needs "to be realistically useful to somebody who wishes to search the VI repository". If I'm looking for an image of Smržovka train station I wouldn't be happy with just any old "minor railway station in the Czech Republic". It's just like why We don't lump all the rare bird species into one "minor birds" scope. On the other hand, I would not expect, say, to see a scope called "window handles at Smržovka train station" - that is too specific. That is my understanding of the spirit and concept of VI scoping. DeFacto (talk). 21:31, 4 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
@DeFacto: Point 2 of this page states "...it defines a generic field or category...". The rationale behind this is that if I want a specific small station (such as the one at Smržovka), I enter "Smržovka" into the search box. If I am looking for the best image to illustan article, I find as suitable category and click the "Good pictures" icon. I will then get all the good pictures relevant to that category (including its sub-categories). Martinvl (talk) 08:32, 5 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
@Martinvl: it needs to be suitably generic (as this scope is). The category tree is your friend if you want to go more general. However, if you want a valued image of a particular Czech station you couldn't find it if all that was available was a single image of an arbitrary "minor railway station in the Czech Republic". Let's drop it now and agree to differ; and move on. DeFacto (talk). 09:24, 5 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Result: 3 support, 1 oppose =>
promoted. --Medium69 You wanted talk to me? 22:00, 10 December 2015 (UTC)
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