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Formel V 1965-08-01 (2) Nürburgring.jpg

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Nominated by Spurzem (talk) on 2020-07-17 14:56 (UTC)
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First Formula Vee: Crash at first Formula Vee race in Germany on the Nürburgring, Frame 2: Car turned over into ditch
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Ridicolous! In dealing with you, it is difficult not to be abusive. -- Spurzem (talk) 21:24, 17 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
 Question Spurzem, my question would be whether there are a number of different recognizable features on the route that are known as "Scene 1", "Scene 2", etc., or are those just your names for the different photos of the race? In other words, what makes these two scopes descriptive? -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 07:11, 18 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Ikan Kekek: It is the numbering of the pictures that belong together. First the car turned sideways, a few meters further it got into the so-called trench and overturned, then helpers came over. I think there are three of the few photos of an accident from that time at the Nürburgring that we have in the Commons. Thank goodness the driver was not injured. But if charlesjsharp thinks the photos are uninteresting or unusable, I have to accept it. Regards -- Spurzem (talk) 08:07, 18 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
They're surely interesting, but I think the description could be made clearer, and in fact, you just did that. Do you think you could include the whole description in each photo in this series and then for the scope, indicate what the car is doing in each shot? That way, we can have a clear and really useful narrative. I'd be happy to help with phrasing as needed and useful, now that I understand what's being depicted. -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 09:37, 18 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
So based on your description, I think this shot is "First Formula Vee race in Germany on the Nürburgring, car runs into ditch", but do you know the model of the car or the name of the driver? Either or both of those could be added to the scope. The other picture would be "car turns over". -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 09:39, 18 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Ikan Kekek: This race was a demonstration event for the still young Formula Vee in Germany. In the program booklet it was announced as the "AvD Nürburgring Cup for Formula-V (Vau)-Fahrzeuge". Time 12:00 p.m. to 12:25 p.m., 10 laps on the so-called concrete loop. There was no list of drivers and vehicles in the program booklet. The vehicles were "beachcar" and "formcar". I don't know which car is in the ditch and I don't know the driver either. However, the pictures show what was understood as safety at the Nürburgring 55 years ago. -- Spurzem (talk) 11:58, 18 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. I think we can work with this. "First Formula Vee race in Germany on the Nürburgring, car runs into ditch" is sufficient for me to support, as this is definitely a valuable bit of history, as you mention. -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 21:24, 18 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
The accident begins with "Scene 1". Have we to change the scope too? -- Spurzem (talk) 07:29, 19 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I doubt "Scene [number]" is a useful scope, but perhaps I'm wrong. Is this a very well-known accident that is well-known to have occurred in the numbered scenes you're specifying, or would it be clearer to describe what's actually happening in each scene, as I'm suggesting? I feel like "Scene 1", "Scene 2" tells the user nothing except that they most likely happened in chronological order. -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 11:14, 19 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Ikan Kekek: Again: The three pictures belong together. They show the process of an accident in three steps. Maybe it would be better to say "Step 1" etc. instead of "Scene 1" etc. The first photo shows how the car is oversteering and with the rear is pushing outwards, starting to turn. You can't see how it gets into the ditch and overturns. Picture two shows how the car is lying in the ditch with the wheels upwards and the driver is freeing himself from the car. The helpers can be seen in picture three. With their help, the car was erected. The so-called security ditches of former times were dangerous. Today, such a driving error as in this Formula Vee race would be unproblematic. The car would remain on the wheels and could continue to drive. -- Spurzem (talk) 16:08, 19 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I think I get how to do this. You could describe it as "Crash at first Formula Vee race in Germany on the Nürburgring, Frame 2: Car runs into ditch" and do the analogous thing with the other photos. That makes the scope a little long, but it makes the point you want to make about the photos being a series, and it's informative. What do you think? -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 20:29, 19 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Okay. -- Spurzem (talk) 05:55, 20 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Result: 2 support, 0 oppose =>
promoted. Archaeodontosaurus (talk) 05:12, 24 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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