File:Première croisade.jpg
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Alternative map of the first crusade.
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Français : Carte de la Première croisade et des religions majoritaires à l'époque. This file was derived from: Carte de la premiere croisade.jpg
mais sur un fond de carte du 11-e siècle (sans les polders et les lacs de barrage modernes) et sans les omissions et les simplifications abusives de la source première (absence des myophysites-monophysites, des pauliciens, des juifs, des Bulgares de la Volga ; discontinuité dans l'orthodoxie alors que tous les slaves et les Bulgares du Danube étaient christianisés même sous domination pétchénègue ou autre, large exagération de l'islam en Anatolie comme si les Seldjoukides avaient brutalement exterminé la majeure partie de la population chrétienne, etc). Aussitôt introduite dans quelques articles le 19 février 2023, cette carte a été revertée comme « modif. non consensuelle ». Question : en quoi le rétablissement systématique d'une carte pleine d'erreurs serait-il plus « consensuel » que l'introduction d'une carte sans ces erreurs ? A moins qu'il soit « consensuel » de véhiculer lesdites erreurs, et de ne tenir aucun compte des sources permettant de les éviter ? English: Map in french language of the First Crusade and the main religions at the time, derivative from File:Carte_de_la_premiere_croisade.jpg but on an 11th century background, without the modern polders and dam reservoirs and without the omissions and oversimplifications of the first map (absence of Myophysits-Monopysits, Paulicians, Jews, Volga Bulgars; discontinuity in Orthodoxy while all Slavs and the Danube Bulgars were Christianized even under Pecheneg or other rule, large exaggeration of Islam in Anatolia as if the Seljuks had brutally exterminated most of the Christian population, etc). As soon as introduced in some articles on February 19, 2023, this map was reverted as “not consensual modification”. Question: in what way would the systematic restoration of a partially wrong map be more “consensual” than the introduction of another without mistakes? Unless it is "consensual" to convey errors, and to take no account of the sources making it possible to avoid them? |
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