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# 💭 Title 💬 👥 🙋 Last editor 🕒 (UTC)
1 Use of word "of" in category names 5 4 Adeirf 2022-11-22 22:44
2 Commons:Deletion requests/Files uploaded by Elisachan 5 3 RZuo 2022-11-21 05:37
3 Creator templates deleted 12 6 RZuo 2022-11-26 08:48
4 Login credentials for Wikimedia and Wikipedia. 3 3 TheDJ 2022-11-20 20:04
5 What is Category:Food pictures to move about? 7 5 HyperGaruda 2022-11-21 19:10
6 ‎SchlurcherBot 13 5 SergeWoodzing 2022-11-21 21:17
7 2 Question: How do we replace OUR painting? What is the maximum size of an image? 5 3 Yann 2022-11-19 13:35
8 POTY 2021 Banner 1 1 Sandra Hanbo 2022-11-20 08:25
9 Wrong copyright status. 5 4 Yann 2022-11-21 13:01
10 template:tincture new behavior? 4 3 Jpgibert 2022-11-21 13:21
11 Migration scripts 2 2 RZuo 2022-11-21 21:02
12 Are you annoyed by the "by year" and "by decade" cats? 7 4 Jim.henderson 2022-11-22 23:43
13 Join the Movement Charter Regional Conversation Hours 1 1 Zuz (WMF) 2022-11-22 11:53
14 Ernst Haeckel's 1 1 Jmabel 2022-11-23 16:06
15 What is the largest file that can be downloaded from this website 5 4 Jeff G. 2022-11-26 17:14
16 Canada: The date is out 3 2 Rosenzweig 2022-11-24 14:23
17 New template Rail transport in Bremen-year 3 2 Ricky81682 2022-11-25 02:08
18 File:London Cardiff terrain blank.jpg licnese review 1 1 Sanandros 2022-11-26 16:18
19 Cycle lane versus Bikeway - are they different? 4 3 Túrelio 2022-11-26 20:39
20 Latest uploads not rendering 3 3 Jeff G. 2022-11-26 21:14
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November 11[edit]

Use of word "of" in category names[edit]

E.g. Category:Birds of the Isle of Wight. To me, the word "of" suggests native or naturally occurring birds, not e.g. birds kept in captivity, so it seems odd to include e.g. File:Bald Eagle at Appuldurcombe House.jpg. Does anyone agree/disagree? The principle would potentially apply to numerous categories. ITookSomePhotos (talk) 22:38, 11 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Disagree, use of the word "of" in categories means "in some way related to". For instance we have in the category Category:Mayors of London, Category:Boris Johnson. He is in that category despite being born in New York City. Also we have Category:People in Germany which is a subcategry of Category:People of Germany. So in that case people have a relation to Germany by being in Germany. Oxyman (talk) 00:13, 12 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
"Mayor of London" is a title, like "King of England" or "President of the USA". It can hardly be misunderstood. On the other hand, I believe that many people would understand, let's say, a book entitled "Birds of Great Britain" to be concerned with native birds, not any birds that happen to have been brought there in captivity. "People in Germany" versus "People of Germany" is potentially confusing with no further explanation. At minimum, the category pages need to explain the distinction. With no further information, I understand "People of Germany" to mean ethnic or resident Germans, and "People in Germany" to mean people of any ethnicity or nationality who happen to be in Germany, which is logically consistent with my original suggestion. ITookSomePhotos (talk) 00:51, 13 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I don't understand the mention of Johnson: he was a mayor of London. Regardless of where he was born, he was later in life a certain place's mayor, and that place was London. I think OP is arguing that the Appuldurcombe eagle is more like if former New York mayor Rudy Giuliani moved to London and someone then categorized him in Category:Mayors of London. -sche (talk) 05:59, 18 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I agree as well: species 'of' a geographic region are understood to to be species that are naturally occurring in that place. In other uses, 'of' would not be so restrictive. For example, "birds of the Metro Toronto Zoo", or "plants of Kew Gardens" would not have the same implication. Adeirf (talk) 22:44, 22 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

November 13[edit]

Commons:Deletion requests/Files uploaded by Elisachan[edit]

Commons:Deletion requests/Files uploaded by Elisachan

File:唔知得唔得 05.jpg File:唔知得唔得 06.jpg File:唔知得唔得 04.jpg

useful for what? if you wanna show the pots, the glass jars partially block the view. if you wanna show the jars, which seem to contain ginseng liquor, something else blocks the view. there's no location either. uploader wrote "dont know if this works" in filenames and "testing" in descriptions.--RZuo (talk) 20:16, 11 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

User:Kadı care to answer why these low quality photos would be "realistically useful for an educational purpose" instead of plenty of other photos that show an unobstructed view of the subjects? RZuo (talk) 11:18, 13 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I certainly would not call these "low quality". These are high resolution images taken with a good camera. I rather like the composition actually, not every image needs to be a "catalog picture" of a single subject. Quite well within scope. MKFI (talk) 07:31, 14 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Fully agree, it is within scope and can illustrate multiple topics suchs as Depth of Field, Kitchen, pots, etc. PierreSelim (talk) 10:04, 15 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Kadı, MKFI, and PierreSelim: since you know what these photos can be used for, please resolve their maintenance cats and give them precise filenames that correctly identify depicted subjects. RZuo (talk) 05:37, 21 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Creator templates deleted[edit]

When we delete the only file of a Creator, should we be deleting the Creator template also? See Creator:Hanna Kunsch. RAN (talk) 17:58, 13 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

This should not have been deleted. It seems she died in 1945, so her works are already in the public domain. Yann (talk) 19:13, 13 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • What was the image file that was deleted, I don't have access to deleted images. As a general rule, should we keep creator templates even if we have no images that link to them? --RAN (talk) 21:51, 13 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • These images should be restored. Since Hanna Kunsch's works are in the public domain, this is template is useful, even if not actually used. Yann (talk) 21:58, 13 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
COM:L still says that "Wikimedia Commons only accepts media ... that are in the public domain in at least the United States and in the source country of the work." And virtually all of her works first published between 1927 and 2002 will be in copyright in the US.--Prosfilaes (talk) 00:59, 14 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
There seems to be some confusion about when Hanna Kusch died. Is it 1945, after 1949, after 1960? This needs to be sorted out first, before we can decide whether or not to delete her works and creator template. --HyperGaruda (talk) 05:16, 14 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
It's not 1945, that is an outlier copied from an image catalog without any explanations how they got that year. The German authority file and German biography portal have her as still active as a photographer in 1949, and she is listed as living in Göttingen in the 1960 Göttingen address book (city directory). And that is not "a person with the same name" as claimed elsewhere. The name is not common at all (I couldn't find any other person with the same name using both Ancestry and Google), and she is specifically listed as a photographer in the 1960 address book. --Rosenzweig τ 07:43, 14 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
She died in 1961, see my comment at COM:UNDEL. --Rosenzweig τ 10:29, 14 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I always appreciate a nice piece of detective work; well done! Guess this is then the end of the story, undeletion in about nine years. An admin should also have a look at the remaining files in Category:Hanna Kunsch. --HyperGaruda (talk) 19:01, 14 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Yes, excellent detective work, still unanswered: Do we delete the Creator template because we have no images, or do we always make a Creator template for creators? I think we should keep them, eventually all images will be PD, and this way they will already be linked to a creator template when restored. Any one disagree? --RAN (talk) 20:04, 19 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Commons:Criteria for speedy deletion#Template T2. Unused template is clear about this: “Unused templates (except maintenance/project templates that are substituted), are subjected to speedy deletion.” The text “Unused and unlikely to be needed Creator template (T2)” is even preconfigured among the rationales when deleting a creator template. Similarly, empty categories are deleted as well. Both can be restored as soon as they are needed. --Rosenzweig τ 22:25, 19 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
needless bureaucracy.--RZuo (talk) 08:48, 26 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • It says: "Unused templates (except maintenance/project templates that are substituted), are subjected to speedy deletion." But {{Creator:John Smith}} and {{Creator|wikidata=Q}}, are in use at Wikidata and at Commons, even if it is not connected to an image that is currently on displayed for the general viewer. The Utility being that when the images are restored, when they are in the public domain, they are already attached to a creator template with the proper life and death dates. Remember, and image is never deleted, just hidden from view from most viewers. When the suggested restoration date is reached, the editor will want to be looking at the birth and death dates in the Creator template to confirm the restoration date. Doe anyone else agree?

November 17[edit]

Login credentials for Wikimedia and Wikipedia.[edit]

My credentials seem to be accepted without issue when I log in to Wikimedia, but very often when I click a link to another page, on the new page it appears that I have been logged out. For example if I am logged in when looking at the page at

https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki

and then I click on the link labelled "Wikipedia" which takes me to

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page

the newly opened page shows that I am not logged in. If I hit the 'log in' link at the top right of the page I'm presented with a login page, but the credentials fields are both empty. It's very tedious to have to keep filling them in by hand. (This is just and example, it isn't always a Wikipedia page which shows the issue.)

Once or twice I have found a way to get logged in to Wikipedia from a Wikimedia page. The method was to click a link which brings up a browser dialogue asking for username and password, the two items having been helpfully filled in by my browser. But most of the time neither item is populated, and I haven't found a way reliably to ensure that the browser fills in the boxes. I guess it depends on exactly which link it was that I clicked that took me to the login page. I've no idea what the differences are and I can't at the moment give an example of a link which populates the boxes. It's taken me an hour to get this far.

Cookies are allowed and I've tried disabling all blocking for the sites without obvious effect.

What am I missing? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ged Haywood (talk • contribs) 12:53, 17 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Ged Haywood: Have you considered trying to check the "Keep me logged in" checkbox to set the cookies? You can logout when you are done.   — 🇺🇦Jeff G. please ping or talk to me🇺🇦 15:50, 17 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
If I login to Wikipedia (English) I find that the other Wikipedia sites, particularly other languages, seem to know straight away that I'm logged in, but if I go to Wikimedia Commons, that mostly isn't aware that I'm logged in. However, if I click the 'log in' link in Wikimedia Commons and then do nothing, it seems at that point to notice that I'm already logged in and after a few seconds logs me in (to Wikimedia Commons) with no further action on my part. It just seems to need the 'log in' prod and a little patience for it to pick up that I'm centrally logged in. Philh-591 (talk) 22:16, 18 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
This is because of modern protections by browsers, which block (and isolate) cookies to 3rd party top level domains. When you visit the other domain however, it does know how to reauthenticate (its pretty complicated, and has this downside you describe, which is why it took browsers 15 years to plug this major hole, which was used extensively by Google and Facebook ad tracking, but also by Wikimedia to do their cross domain login). —TheDJ (talkcontribs) 20:04, 20 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

November 18[edit]

What is Category:Food pictures to move about?[edit]

Does anybody knows what Category:Food pictures to move is about? I started a discussion, I left an extra message on talkpage of the initiator (both were moved to the Archive without any reaction), but I did not get an answer yet (only one reaction of Auntof6, who did not know the answer either). So the questions are:

  1. Can this category be deleted/removed?
  2. If no: what is the purpose of this category, why should it exist?

--JopkeB (talk) 12:48, 18 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Pinging @JuTa as initiator.   — 🇺🇦Jeff G. please ping or talk to me🇺🇦 12:56, 18 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
obviously it's a cat only used by JuTa. you'll get the answer only when s/he comes back online, or the cat can be deleted if s/he remains offline for a long time. RZuo (talk) 10:59, 19 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

‎SchlurcherBot[edit]

Is it possible, in some way that I cannot figure out, to block SchlurcherBot from my watchlist? "Changed an entity: automatically adding structured data based on file information: meta" is just about all I get nowadays, hundreds of them, and anything that happened before that, as you all know, does not show up without further investigation. Very tiresome. --SergeWoodzing (talk) 18:02, 18 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@SergeWoodzing Have you checked the "Hide bot edits from the watchlist" option under Watchlist in your preferences? User:SchlurcherBot is flagged as a bot so that's good. Ricky81682 (talk) 09:40, 19 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Ricky81682: Two problems with that:
  1. Hides all bots, not one particular bot.
  2. Also, unfortunately, as far as I can tell that whole mechanism is a bit broken, because it leaves out all files where the latest edit is a bot edit, even though there may also have been manual edits to the same file since you last checked your watchlist. - Jmabel ! talk 17:08, 19 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
+1. There is no way to block only SchlurcherBot and Botmultichill SDC edits from the watchlist. It has become a very tiny bit better since the bots only edit 200 files from the same category in one run, I still had 800 edits in my watchlist a few days ago. A year or more ago I found a note that the watchlist would be extended to 2000 edits max, but I cannot find the info again, i has not been implemented and it would not really help. If an edit tag (like "2020-source-edit", "reverted", "changed-from-visual-editor") was added to the SDC edits of bots, it would be really easy to filter SchlurcherBot and BotMultichill. C.Suthorn (talk) 18:14, 19 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
ping @Schlurcher @BotMultichill @BotMultichillT C.Suthorn (talk) 18:16, 19 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Unfortunately I am not a wmf developer, so I cannot influence that. --Schlurcher (talk) 08:41, 20 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Second thought: How are Special:Tags defined and set? That would help, correct? --Schlurcher (talk) 09:16, 20 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Update: So I can fairly easily implement adding a tag to all my edits. I borrowed the ACDC tag for a short test: Special:Contributions/SchlurcherBotT. @C.Suthorn: would this work? As I found out further, apparently any admin can set new tags (it's part of the managechangetags user right that is assigned to admins). So if this works, we can reach out to an admin to make an fairly short and informative tag for this purpose and then I can start it. --Schlurcher (talk) 10:27, 20 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Update 2: As far as I can tell the edit tag would allow for the option to filter to the edits marked with this tag, but not to filter out the edits marked with this tag. Am I missing something? Please advise if the is indeed a possible solution. --Schlurcher (talk) 18:45, 20 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
It works for me: I can filter the watchlist for all tags BUT the SDC tag. C.Suthorn (talk) 06:32, 21 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Ok fine then. I've reached out to Multichil to have a coordinated approach on this: User_talk:Multichill#Tag_Bot_SDC_edits Schlurcher (talk) 16:30, 21 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
✓ Done --Schlurcher (talk) 19:21, 21 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Great to see all this activity here. So tell me what I need to do, please! --SergeWoodzing (talk) 21:17, 21 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Am I to assume that we will continue to have this problem permanently? --SergeWoodzing (talk) 15:09, 27 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

November 20[edit]

POTY 2021 Banner[edit]

I would like to ask why not adding POTY 2021 Banner for the main page of Commons as it is totally related to it? We are now in the First round of the competition, and with the banner. It will be easier to access and vote for the best featured pictures in 2021. Sandra Hanbo (talk) 08:25, 20 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Wrong copyright status.[edit]

It seems to me that File:1902 - University College, Oxford Rowing VIII - far right (with boater) Henry Dubs Middleton, Chairman of Leeds General Infirmary 1928-1932.jpg has the wrong status. It is clearly not "own work", but I imagine that it is PD because of age. I'm not very familiar with Commons procedures, so I don't know how to handle this. --ColinFine (talk) 21:15, 20 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I came to the above from the article w:Family of Catherine, Princess of Wales, which was largely written by the assiduous editor @Srbernadette, and I wondered about the status of the photos in it and came looking. The one I mentioned above is probably PD, and so legal even if misdescribed. But I looked at another one, File:Hawkhills, Gledhow - home of William Middleton.jpg, also uploaded by Srbernadette and claimed as "Own work", but stated to be uploaded from http://www.fgvw.co.uk/ . I cannot now find it on that website, but I'm quite ready to believe that it was there once; but I am extremely dubious that it is freely licensed. Looking at User Talk:Srbernadette I see that many pictures uploaded by that user have been challenged or deleted. I'm not sure if there is some general actgion that should be taken about this.
People active on the English Wikipedia Help Desk are familiar with Srbernadette, but people here may not be. She has written a lot of material in English Wikipedia, (sometimes logged in, and sometimes not) particularly about royal and noble houses with connections to Leeds; but she often asks for assistance at the Help desk there, usually to fix errors she has made in referencing; she appears to have difficulty understanding instructions, and relies on people being willing to fix the problems she asks about. ColinFine (talk) 21:48, 20 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • I agree. It seems like @Srbernadette: just uploads everything with "own work" regardless of whether they are from a book, an old image or other websites. The talk page indicates that this has been an issue since 2017 and the non-file edits indicate that the only issue the uploader cares about is the file names rather than the excessive work created by their refusal to deal with the issue. Prior editors just tagged things with {{wrong license}} so that may be a solution as people try to figure things out. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 22:28, 20 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    @ColinFine and Ricky81682: She has been warned.   — 🇺🇦Jeff G. please ping or talk to me🇺🇦 11:07, 21 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    I fixed some of her files, but there are more to fix or delete. See Commons:Deletion requests/Files uploaded by Srbernadette. Yann (talk) 13:01, 21 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

November 21[edit]

template:tincture new behavior?[edit]

Hi everybody,

Some time ago, when I used the {{Tincture}} template via the {{COAInformation}} template, colored rectangles was visible in the definition table and a categorization was automatically done.

Today, I can see that the look and feel changed (why not) but the categoryzation fails. I can only see Tinctures (Undefined) where previously I saw something like azure, or, vert in heraldry.

Someone would know what happened? A bug, perhaps? I tried to find the reason, but I can't.

Jpgibert (talk) 10:50, 21 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Pinging @Sarang, Doc Taxon as editors of {{Tincture}}.   — 🇺🇦Jeff G. please ping or talk to me🇺🇦 11:03, 21 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Jpgibert and Jeff G.:
Bonjour Jean-Paul,
  1. the mentioned categorizations as e.g. Azure, or, vert in heraldry had been questioned whether it will be for any good. I was maintaining it successfully, I do not know why it got lost — when you like it I can give it a look how it can reestabished.
  2. Yes, there is a new behavior. It was a decision of the German heralders to treat tinctures in another way. To show again the color boxes just add /FR to the tincture list, e.g. | tincture = o/b/v/FR; specifying tinctures without any palette had been changed now to "undefined". Add that national palette tag in future svp; to all your files in CoA Lab-fr:Jpgibert I just added it.
Thank you for your good work, and for always specifying the tinctures. May be helpful when you always start with |tincture=FR/ and add then the colors?
For any further questions, I would like when I can help you. Cdlt -- sarang사랑 12:28, 21 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Hi Sarang, thanks a lot for your answer and your upgrade of my work. I will add the /FR in the future.
For the tincture categories, I don't think that it is necessary to keep them. I just mentioned them because of the Tinctures (undefined) category appears.
If there is a consensus to abandon them, it's ok for me. I don't think that this kind of categories is very relevant for arms research.
Best regards, Jpgibert (talk) 13:21, 21 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Migration scripts[edit]

Are there some existing scripts/tools to help with

  • download image from another wiki
  • edit description, validate description
  • upload it to Wikimedia Commons

?

I expect that something like that exists and I cannot really track anything like that down

Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 19:01, 21 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

mw:Help:Extension:FileImporter.--RZuo (talk) 21:02, 21 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Are you annoyed by the "by year" and "by decade" cats?[edit]

by the differences in the way cat titles are constructed:

Category:January 2022 in France Category:2022 in France Category:3rd millennium in Europe time before place vs Category:France in the 2020s Category:France in the 21st century place before time.

do you think this is a problem? do you think it can be improved?--RZuo (talk) 21:02, 21 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • I think it's a very minor problem. I'm not sure it would be worth the impact to fix it. If it is to be fixed, I favor "date before place". - Jmabel ! talk 21:21, 21 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    • I indeed am often annoyed, as I often sort those categories. I care little which comes first, and agree that the solution, if any, ought to minimize impact. Maybe first, a consensus that date should be first, or a consensus the other way, and then a bot strategy. For example if a bot is running through a category for some other reason and changing every file or almost every file, it could do this job as well, to all of them. Presumably such a solution would take years to reach a position of 90% done, at which point it might finish with a bot job of its own. Jim.henderson (talk) 21:48, 21 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
      i think there're two solutions:
      1. keep the current cat trees, but create redirects from one to other, e.g. France in 2022 redirects to 2022 in France.
      2. overhaul of the cats. choose one style for all, and move the non-compliant cats, keeping the redirects that result from moves. future cats except "YYYY in XX" generally dont need redirects since a consistent system is implemented.
      personally i prefer #2, and a format of "time before place". implementing #2 will cause a lot of moves in the short run, but it will save the effort of making redirects in the long run. RZuo (talk) 20:39, 22 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
lol i just realised enwp has a consistent structure: en:Category:2020s in France en:Category:21st century in France. who came up with this dumb dual system on commons?? RZuo (talk) 20:42, 22 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • I am also indeed often annoyed, and would support standardizing either style. Sometimes I create redirects, but it's tedious and their existence is unreliable. There's also, of course, [subject] of [place] / [subject] in [place], [people] from [place] / [people] of [place], etc. but one at a time I suppose. :) — Rhododendrites talk |  21:29, 22 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    • It seems among our little group we have a consensus for consistency. We have some who prefer "12th century in Johannesburg" or whatever, and none who want vice versa. This doesn't look a very big concensus, so maybe the next step is to go to Commons talk:Categories and repeat that this is our idea. If no serious dissent, then "So shall it be written, so shall it be done". As for how fast and by what means, I normally recategorize a couple dozen files every day. Many have a "when in where" category, which don't need adjustment. Few have "where in when" category but when it arises in the course of other work, I intend to make the new category with the old category as its daughter, and start moving files slowly. After days or months the old cat is empty, and it becomes a redirect. So, overall, we first establish and publish a policy or conventional cat preference or whatever we call it, and then consider what we each or all should do to move stray cats into line. For me, it's not urgent but ought not be completely ignored. Jim.henderson (talk) 23:43, 22 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

November 22[edit]

Join the Movement Charter Regional Conversation Hours[edit]

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Hi all,

As most of you are aware, the Movement Charter Drafting Committee (MCDC) is currently collecting community feedback about three draft sections of the Movement Charter: Preamble, Values & Principles, and Roles & Responsibilities (intentions statement).

How can you participate and share your feedback?

The MCDC is looking forward to receiving all types of feedback in different languages from the community members across the Movement and Affiliates. You can participate in the following ways:

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Community consultation hour for the Sub-Saharan Africa region will take place this Friday, November 25, on Zoom. It will be translated into French language. The conversations will not be recorded, except for the section where participants are invited to share what they discussed in the breakout rooms. We will take notes and produce a summary report afterwards.

If you want to learn more about the Movement Charter, its goals, why it matters and how it impacts your community, please watch the recording of the “Ask Me Anything about Movement Charter” sessions which took place earlier in November 2022.

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Zuz (WMF) (talk) 11:53, 22 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

November 23[edit]

Ernst Haeckel's[edit]

There is any issue with ernst haeckels artwork individual names. —Preceding unsigned comment was added by 81.145.173.34 (talk) 11:20, 23 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • I don't see anything obvious. Could you be more specific? - Jmabel ! talk 16:06, 23 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

What is the largest file that can be downloaded from this website[edit]

See File:William Craig Brownlee (1783-1860) by Frederick R. Spencer.jpg, can someone doublecheck to see if the largest file has already been uploaded. --RAN (talk) 18:53, 23 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Yes, it seems so. I fixed the date and the license. Yann (talk) 19:43, 23 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
As of now, there is unfortunately now way at all to download files from https://zimmerli.emuseum.com/objects/2416/reverend-william-craig-brownlee-17831860 by a simple right-click. All images on that website have been placed in some sort of container that prevents manual downloading. De728631 (talk) 19:44, 23 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • I use the Inspect > Application > Full method to find the downloadable version. I think they only load a small image, so you have to license a larger version. --RAN (talk) 21:49, 23 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    @Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) and De728631: In Chrome, I clicked EXPAND and then used "DevTools > Application > Frames > Images > full". Another method in Chrome's DevTools is to use "Event Listeners > contextmenu > remove" to allow you to right-click.   — 🇺🇦Jeff G. please ping or talk to me🇺🇦 17:14, 26 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Canada: The date is out[edit]

The date on which Canada switches to a copyright term of 70 years pma (instead of the 50 years pma before) will be December 30, 2022 [1]. So I guess all works of Canadian authors who died in 1972 won't enter the public domain until 2043. --Rosenzweig τ 21:56, 23 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Is this change retroactive? Ruslik (talk) 12:00, 24 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
No. All works that entered the public domain on January 1, 2022 or in the years before stay in the PD. --Rosenzweig τ 14:23, 24 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

November 24[edit]

New template Rail transport in Bremen-year[edit]

For nearly al German states there are year categories for rail transport. Unlike Hamburg where the state is the same as the city, there is a separate city Bremerhaven also belonging to the state. Often pictures of Bremen are dumped in Lower-Saxony categories as it is an enclave within Lower-Saxony. With the the template I have created two categories: 2018 in rail transport Bremen (state) and 2019 in rail transport Bremen (state) Smiley.toerist (talk) 13:35, 24 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Unfortunately it seems that this template already existed for Bremen (state), but was never used. The template Rail transport in Bremen-year can be modified and reused for the city of Bremen. I wil be concentrating on moving the year in rail transport in Germany files to Bremen state.Smiley.toerist (talk) 13:47, 24 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Smiley.toerist It helps to provide links to people. The new template is Template:Rail transport in Bremen (state)-year I think. I fixed Category:2018 in rail transport in Bremen (state) (missing the second 'in'). Shouldn't it be a category of Category:2018 in Bremen (state), not Category:2018 in Bremen (the city)? Ricky81682 (talk) 02:08, 25 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

November 26[edit]

File:London Cardiff terrain blank.jpg licnese review[edit]

Can somebody pls help me to review that file? How can you review mapping data? Pls ping me.--Sanandros (talk) 16:18, 26 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Cycle lane versus Bikeway - are they different?[edit]

We have a category-tree Category:Cycle lane road markings by country and a category-tree Category:Bikeway road markings by country‎. What is the difference between a cycle lane and a bikeway? --Túrelio (talk) 20:00, 26 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

A bike lane is lane at a street with many lanes but reserved for bicycles. A bikeway is a separate way for cycles. GPSLeo (talk) 20:10, 26 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I'd say File:Holmevej, Ribe 2022 vestende.jpg shows a cycle/bikeway, while File:Dagmarsgade, Ribe 2022 øst.jpg shows bike/cycle lanes around the roundabout (separated by paint) as well as on both sides of the street on the other side (separated by curbs). Hjart (talk) 20:16, 26 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Thanks. Nevertheless, is it really useful to have both above mentioned categories? I have the impression that images of both types of bike-ways/lanes are put rather randomly into one or the other cat. Funfact: there is no "Category:Bikeway road markings" for Germany and The Netherlands, both cycling-friendly countries. --Túrelio (talk) 20:39, 26 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I think a bike/cycle lane is specifically a lane of a street that also carries cars (though I suppose a trail or path could also be split into a pedestrian lane and a bike lane). "Bikeway" strikes me as looser: could include that (or not), but also could mean something specifically built as a bicycle path, or a street which is a recommended bike route but also carries cars. - Jmabel ! talk 03:33, 27 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Category:Bike paths is an actual category. --HyperGaruda (talk) 14:46, 27 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Latest uploads not rendering[edit]

Hello, I've been having issues with my latest uploads of File:Petroleum Barnstar.png and File:Norway Barnstar.png. I've been clearing my internet history and cache, yet the older versions are still being previewed rather than their latest uploads. Anyone else have other solutions? Judekkan (talk) 20:09, 26 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Both look fine for me. --Túrelio (talk) 20:32, 26 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Judekkan: They look different, but still scale as blurry - please read {{Convert to SVG}}, COM:MFC#PNG photos that require a JPEG version, and COM:PURGE.   — 🇺🇦Jeff G. please ping or talk to me🇺🇦 21:14, 26 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

November 27[edit]

Help needed to communicate with German-speaking user[edit]

I've been trying to communicate with User:Tobibln about incorrect use of {{Container category}}, but haven't gotten an answer. It looks like they might speak German. If someone could translate into German my messages at User talk:Tobibln#Use of Template:Container category, I'd appreciate it. Thanks! --Auntof6 (talk) 04:26, 27 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Though Tobibln may be natively German, their "home Wikipedia" seems to be the English one by a large margin. Considering their zero contributions to discussion/talk pages here, I think they just refuse to engage with others. --HyperGaruda (talk) 06:28, 27 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
It would probably also help a lot if all template pages state their purpose more clearly and when to use what in case of similar templates. {{Container category}} in particular is lacking that information. --HyperGaruda (talk) 08:19, 27 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
And {{Container category}} is a redirect anyway. -- Auntof6 (talk) 08:57, 27 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]