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Water pump next to the church in the town center of Doel. Doel, Beveren, East Flanders, Belgium. [add]
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August 24[edit]

Thumbnails not animated[edit]

The GIF on the left has an animated thumbnail, that on the right has not.

For the animation on the right no animated thumbnail is created. It also says so on the page: Note: Due to technical limitations, thumbnails of high resolution GIF images such as this one will not be animated. Fair enough. But that message would be much more helpful if it told me the limit. I would rather not make test uploads until one is small enough. Watchduck (quack) 00:31, 13 September 2018 (UTC)

I vaguely recall this was discussed in Phabricator perhaps 3 years ago, it would be worth searching the archives there. I hit a limit at 12MB (warning: my human memory about this may be faulty) but the specific limit is fuzzy due to the nature of WM rendering. Whether the limits have changed as the underpinning software has changed, or whether the limit is by arbitrary development choice, I have no idea. -- (talk) 05:09, 13 September 2018 (UTC)
File:Polyhedron 12 big.gif is only 5.54 MB, and it has the same problem. Maybe it actually is about resolution rather than file size. Anyway, I will stick to linking animations instead of showing them. Watchduck (quack) 07:46, 13 September 2018 (UTC)
@Fae, Watchduck: the limit is in decoded pixels of the original. So it is W x H x frame count that should be smaller than the limit. The first image is 256*256*120 == 7.864.320 bytes (7.8MP), whereas the second image is 600*600*360 == 129.600.000 (130MP). The public config shows that the limit for animated images is 100MP. This quickly exploding size is also why GIFs are problematic. —TheDJ (talkcontribs) 11:20, 18 September 2018 (UTC)
Oh, while the limit is in theory 100MP, it should be noted that stress on the servers can cause a timeout to occur with images under that limit. The limit protects the server (as does the timeout), it is not a promise to deliver results at all costs. —TheDJ (talkcontribs) 11:26, 18 September 2018 (UTC)

I need 1000 deleted selfies, to develop selfie detection in the Commons Android app[edit]

As a developer of the Commons Android app, I am programming selfie detection (when the user tries to upload a selfie the app will warn them that selfies are off-topic, and ask them whether the person in the picture is really notable).

For machine learning, I need a lot of real-world selfies. I could use Category:Cell phone selfies but it contains only 39 pictures (I need at least 1000), and the selfies in that category were kept for some reason, whereas I prefer selfies that have actually been deleted, as they are more representative of what we don't want on Commons.

Problem: Only administrators have access to deleted images.

Would an administrator be kind enough to send me at least a thousand deleted selfies? Technically, you could maybe search for deleted files that have the word "selfie" in their close reason? Not sure how deleted files are stored. If it is too complex, just send me the latest 10000 deleted files and I will sort them by myself (if possible, only images uploaded from the app: Category:Uploaded with Mobile/Android or

Please ping me or see my email address at thanks a lot! :-) Syced (talk) 03:55, 13 September 2018 (UTC)

@Syced: Unfortunately, searching deleted files and pages is not easy. I would take a look at Category:Personal files, which might have some of what you're looking for. The only real distinction between selfies we keep and selfies we delete is whether the person is a notable person or Wikimedia contributor. Machine learning probably can't tell the difference. I would use this logic: "Warn if the photo is taken with the front-facing camera AND depicts one or two people and little else AND user has less than total 100 edits across Wikimedia projects." Guanaco (talk) 04:32, 13 September 2018 (UTC)
Wouldn't it be possible to search for the deletion request pages, and then get the file names of the associated files? Front facing camera (should be in the metadata?) sounds like an excellent suggestion btw. Effeietsanders (talk) 05:05, 13 September 2018 (UTC)
@Guanaco: 99% of uploaded selfies are of non-notable people, I know this because I review new uploads a lot, and because out of thousands of uploaded selfies only very few are left on Commons. As you say the app will only show a warning, so machine learning not being able to tell whether a person is notable or not is expected, and it is not a problem. We will use the logic you describe. Thanks for the personal files link, I should be able to select a hundred mobile-taken selfies using its intersection with the Category:Uploaded with Mobile/Android category. I still need 10 times more samples, though. Syced (talk) 05:21, 13 September 2018 (UTC)
Hi, Someone will an account on tools labs should be able to create a list of deleted files. Regards, Yann (talk) 06:51, 13 September 2018 (UTC)
just do not delete the 1% such as File:Dorothea Lasky.JPG. the fact that notable people do not want to upload self-portraits is a bug not a feature. Slowking4 § Sander.v.Ginkel's revenge 04:07, 14 September 2018 (UTC)
@Syced: List of 1931 deleted selfies. A few more selfies are also found in Category:Selfies and 30 in a category that I created a while ago, Category:Selfies with arm visibly stretched out. But not all are taken with a cell phone and some are simply not yet further categorized. - Alexis Jazz ping plz 12:14, 17 September 2018 (UTC)
@Alexis Jazz: Wonderful! Unfortunately these files are red for me... probably because I am not an administrator. Would any administrator be kind enough to download them, put them on a network drive, and send a link to my email address (link to it in my first message above). Thanks so much! :-)
@Syced: I would have thought "front camera => reject" would be the simplest and just use EXIF data. Don't see the need to augment that with any other attributes such as identifying people or counting user contributions as Guanaco suggests. It is a poor quality camera on most phones and often linked with filters such as skin softening. Requiring that contributors use the rear camera to take photos for Wiki would not IMO be any hardship and result in higher quality images and no selfies. -- Colin (talk) 12:23, 17 September 2018 (UTC)
Unfortunately most phones do not put this information in the EXIF. Syced (talk) 02:50, 18 September 2018 (UTC)
@Colin, Syced: If the user has been a contributor, selfies are welcome for userspace. Also, on occasion there are photos of notable people or natural phenomena taken with the front camera. Some people also have a broken rear camera. I think a warning can be useful, but outright rejecting images could turn editors off from the app and/or Commons. Guanaco (talk) 17:41, 18 September 2018 (UTC)
Well I think the balance between warning, strong warning, and just banning has to be determined by admins who will end up having to delete the photos that are either multiple selfies or too poor quality. The point is that we don't need fancy AI to virtually eliminate a whole class of image. There is a stronger danger I think that false hits will end up with valid images rejected, and that could also put users off. I think it will be hard to tell the difference between a selfie and a photo of a celebrity taken close up, or even a photo of a painting portrait in an art gallery. Whereas "is the camera facing the photographer" test is much simpler. -- Colin (talk) 20:54, 18 September 2018 (UTC)
While we don't want selfies of non-notable people unless they are active Wikimedians who want them for user pages, etc., they're pretty harmless. I'd put this at the low end of Commons' concerns. - Jmabel ! talk 00:10, 19 September 2018 (UTC)
Once again, nobody has ever talked about rejecting selfies. The final goal of this is to display a gentle reminder of what kinds of pictures are totally off-topic, from time to time, to users who AI guess are uploading mostly selfies. I am glad to see you guys are not too extreme in your rejection of selfies: A few years ago we had a person who really wanted the whole app to be shut down just because a few % of the uploads were selfies. Cheers! Syced (talk) 01:58, 19 September 2018 (UTC)
If the info in in the EXIF and is in a relatively standard format, it should be possible to query to find which images on Commons were taken by the front camera of a mobile phone. Then we could get some stats on what number of those are useful. I think that would be a valuable exercise, though biased because so many selfies and other unwanted images will already have been deleted. If that was compared to the rear camera, we might get a feel for whether enabling the front camera is really providing any significant advantage. The concern above that the rear camera is broken and the user only has a front camera, must apply to such a tiny number of people as to be insignificant. Remember that it is perfectly possible to get a portrait of oneself by asking someone else to take the picture with your camera, or another camera. So there is not really any significant use-case for requiring Commons to accept front-camera photos, if rejecting them leads to the elimination of a lot of admin hassle.
All things are a balance and many times people forget just how few admins there are on Commons or editors on given Wikipedia articles. I remember Wikipedia had some dreadful experience with Canadian Psychology 101 students in classes of 1000+ dumping plagiarised and ignorant sentences into medical articles. The prof thought that Wikipedia had millions of editors with nothing better to do that fix these, and even thought they could use the "was it fixed/removed" as a free way to get the student homework marked. Mobile phones are a particular problem as the numbers are massive (literally billions of photos taken a year) and the userbase likely less educated about Commons scope. If you start introducing AI into the equation, there is a risk people will have fun trying to defeat the algorithm for fun, or who mock us when the algorithm misfires on another subject. -- Colin (talk) 09:20, 19 September 2018 (UTC)
This thread is not about whether enabling such AI feature. The thread is about where to find images to produce that kind of feature. Once developed, we can see if it's useful.
Furthermore, it makes an interesting point that if we had keep those images, they would be useful to somebody - there are lots of developers interested in training AI to recongize some kinds of images. The images we delete as personal or redundant and therefore useless would be useful to a lot of people.--Pere prlpz (talk) 15:51, 19 September 2018 (UTC)
"If you start introducing AI into the equation, there is a risk people will have fun trying to defeat the algorithm" = heavens, we would not want to automate the soul crushing backlog, since there are so few admins to do it. better admin personal control of a broken and bankrupt system, than introducing some tools, not entirely within their control. if we introduce AI, there is a risk admins might be shown to be redundant, or counter-productive. Slowking4 § Sander.v.Ginkel's revenge 03:30, 21 September 2018 (UTC)
Slowking4 above: just do not delete the 1% such as File:Dorothea Lasky.JPG. the fact that notable people do not want to upload self-portraits is a bug not a feature. Colin above: Requiring that contributors use the rear camera to take photos for Wiki would not IMO be any hardship and result in higher quality images and no selfies. Whatever its value or the notability of its subject, File:Dorothea Lasky.JPG used the rear camera and yet is a selfie. (But change "no selfies" to "a lot fewer selfies", and I'd agree.) -- Hoary (talk) 04:23, 21 September 2018 (UTC)
I never claimed that selfies can't be taken (or unwelcome portraits of oneself taken by others) with a rear camera. Just that I think the front camera selection, if the EXIF is available, is an easy win and likely have very few false positives. Pere prlpz, no, Commons Scope is not "We will host any image that someone might want to train an AI algorithm on". That's not our purpose. I actually find it baffling that anyone might think that Commons would be a suitable source of selfies to train an AI algorithm. There are just one or two other websites with probably several billion selfies that one could train on. -- Colin (talk) 08:36, 21 September 2018 (UTC)
I agree that storing images to train AI algorithms is not our stated purpose, and that embracing that purpose would need a discussion that doesn't fit this thread. However, Commons has a great advantage for those purpose: we have millions of labelled images. Other sites host large amounts of images but they are not labelled. In fact, the most important modification to become a perfect repository for AI would be stop deleting images with the (otherwise reasonable) rationale "we have plenty of better images about that" (like selfies, family photos or blurred birds).--Pere prlpz (talk) 11:23, 21 September 2018 (UTC)
i find it baffling, that people can tl;dr, why commons cannot do this or that task. scope is the new "i don't like it"; commons is not paper, and a few thousand selfies, do not harm the other images. meanwhile, we have thousands of crotch-shots, maybe they should train on those. "very few false positives" = do not do creative work here, go anywhere else. it is a failure of imagination. Slowking4 § Sander.v.Ginkel's revenge 12:21, 21 September 2018 (UTC)

Portrait right in Japan and South Korea.[edit]

On Chinese Wikipedia Village Pumps, someone mentioned that a certain users uploaded 100+ photo with various subjects in Japan and South Korea which included face of bystanders in those photo, and the one who raise the question think that those face must be blurred before uploading onto commons in order to comply with local law in those countries. Is this really necessary for the domestic regulation in those countries to be followed when uploading photos taken from those countries onto commons? An example of image being mentioned would be File:Car Free Ginza 201806.jpg. C933103 (talk) 02:44, 14 September 2018 (UTC)

editor needs to point to legislation. no mention of Japanese personality rights, ([1]; [2]) Chinese personality rights is draft [3] "commercial use" requires consent. see also w:Personality rights, and Template:Personality rights -- Slowking4 § Sander.v.Ginkel's revenge 03:42, 14 September 2018 (UTC)
It seems like the editor pointed to a law reported by media that doesn't actually exists in those countries. C933103 (talk) 04:25, 14 September 2018 (UTC)
I've heard that there were some civil cases where photographers lost the suit and were required to reimburse those photographed in public areas, ie. Subway station. — regards, Revi 13:13, 17 September 2018 (UTC)

Personality rights aren't copyright. If personality rights are a problem for some uses, it should be enough to put {{personality}} to warn reusers.--Pere prlpz (talk) 16:30, 19 September 2018 (UTC)

Copyrite on File:Indiana, 1817.jpg[edit]

Can someone take a look at this thread and advise? Thanks. —Justin (koavf)TCM 22:28, 14 September 2018 (UTC)

The original author (user indianastatearchives) describes their claim to authorship pretty well. Nomitated for speedy deletion per COM:COPYVIO. —⁠andrybak (talk) 01:29, 15 September 2018 (UTC)
andrybak: Do not create such request. This is clearly public domain due to age, whatever claim exists. BTW indianastatearchives is not the author of the map, so the claim is a nonsense anyway. Regards, Yann (talk) 03:40, 15 September 2018 (UTC)
Yann, I didn't know such aspect of copyright. Thanks. —⁠andrybak (talk) 10:01, 15 September 2018 (UTC)
@Andrybak: Why did you do this? —Justin (koavf)TCM 03:51, 15 September 2018 (UTC)
please do not engage GLAM institutions in this way. telling people they are doing it wrong is counter-productive. and where is the source? no link to reddit, no link to archival site? wow. why don't you query the glam-wiki group or wikimedia library to engage. Slowking4 § Sander.v.Ginkel's revenge 02:02, 16 September 2018 (UTC)
@Slowking4: You are free to post to the Reddit thread and I've invited someone from the institution here. —Justin (koavf)TCM 03:33, 17 September 2018 (UTC)
i provided an imgur source. please reread Commons:Essential information. you realize that newbies have had similar files deleted as source missing? Slowking4 § Sander.v.Ginkel's revenge 10:27, 17 September 2018 (UTC)
@Slowking4: I can't understand your point. —Justin (koavf)TCM 18:08, 17 September 2018 (UTC)

September 15[edit]

File:Bernard Deyriès et Jean Chalopin.jpg[edit]

Does anyone know if this image is free. I will sign off for tonight but hopefully someone knows the answer. Best, --Leoboudv (talk) 10:10, 16 September 2018 (UTC)

  • I see no reason to think it is free. Do you? - Jmabel ! talk 17:13, 16 September 2018 (UTC)
  • Pictogram voting comment.svg Comment: I don't either. I'll tag it as no permission. Thank You Jmabel --Leoboudv (talk) 18:41, 16 September 2018 (UTC)

Category:SVG graphics by software used vs Category:SVG created with[edit]

What is the difference between these two categories? —⁠andrybak (talk) 10:30, 16 September 2018 (UTC)

The latter category is the root category for categories filled in by templates while the former is a broader category. The latter is also a member of the former. Although this distinction is not always obeyed. Ruslik (talk) 19:47, 16 September 2018 (UTC)

SVG rendering problem[edit]

Red edge only in second solid

Commons does not correctly render this image (while Inkscape does). See file talk. All the yellow faces have red edges, but Commons shows them only for the second solid. Watchduck (quack) 13:28, 16 September 2018 (UTC)

I seem to remember a similar issue with badly-rendered SVG thumbnails, but I can't recall what it was. De728631 (talk) 20:13, 16 September 2018 (UTC)

September 17[edit]

Set / Album / Gallery / See also / Similar images / or.....?[edit]

I'm seeking something I can't easily search for as I don't know the proper terms or they are too common or vague to Google for wiki help. I know I've seen something like what I'm after before, perhaps only on Wikipedia.

I'm uploading images that are related. I'd like to add thumbnails to related images in a set. "Set" and "album" and "gallery" are vague words. I don't think a gallery is what I'm after. I'm not making a photo album. I'm simply trying to offer options of similar shots taken of the same thing on the same day. Please feel free to just point me to an appropriate help page.

For example, I'd like to cross reference these:

Reaume Park Coventry Gardens Peace Fountain In Windsor, Ontario With Distant Detroit Skyline Across River - photo by jodelli @ Flickr.jpg
The Peace Fountain in Coventry Gardens, Reaume Park, Windsor, Ontario, and the Detroit River by jodelli @ Flickr 9660844116 69acd31bab o.jpg

And, as I said, I have other sets I'd like to "join". —Preceding unsigned comment was added by (talk) 03:13, 17 September 2018 (UTC)

Also, I'm uploading Flickr select images from a prolific talented person on Flickr who's given CC2.0. It's a little tedious and I'd appreciated advice on automating or batch uploads. I'm not going to do his/her whole gallery, but a dozen or two very select choices I intend to use on WP and WV articles.

Thanks in advance, ~ JasonCarswell (talk) 01:14, 17 September 2018 (UTC)

  • If you want to do a set of thumbnails of related images, and this is not something you want to do in your own user space, yes, that is what we would call a "gallery page." Technically speaking, that is Commons' equivalent of "article space," though these play a much lesser role on Commons than in most wikis. Here's a few examples; if this isn't the thing you are talking of, you'll need to be a bit clearer: Romanian Orthodox churches in Bucharest, The Beatles, Seattle. - Jmabel ! talk 04:03, 17 September 2018 (UTC)
  • Other things you can do: you can always reference one picture in the description of another, as in File:Parkour-04-4.jpg, or you can use one image within an ImageNote in another, as I did with File:Living Computer Museum pano 01.jpg. - Jmabel ! talk 04:06, 17 September 2018 (UTC)
I think a use of gallery was actually what I was after, but now I far more prefer that Parkour example. Thanks a bunch. That Living Computer Museum trick is nifty. Any advice on Flikr to Commons? ~ 08:25, 17 September 2018 (UTC) some aspects of the UI are a little tricky at first, but it works well. Feel free to get hold of me if you have trouble using it. Expect to do some editing on the pages it generates, it does a lot of the work, but not everything. - Jmabel ! talk 16:19, 17 September 2018 (UTC)

Thanks! ~ JasonCarswell (talk) 02:08, 20 September 2018 (UTC)

lower case a...z in Categories[edit]

At the moment, in Categories of all wiki projects the links are indexed under A...Z upper case letters (latin or other). BUT: they look so similar (A = a? α? B = b? β? and so on). Has there ever been a thought to change them into nice big lower case letters? Thank you. Sarri.greek (talk) 15:39, 17 September 2018 (UTC)

  • Since categories are supposed to be in English whenever that is reasonable, that shouldn't be an issue. Do you have a specific problem in mind (e.g. a case where this is unclear)? - Jmabel ! talk 16:21, 17 September 2018 (UTC)
    • The names of files can be in any language, @Jmabel:, especially for pronunciation-audios (Thank you for your help with those). Each .ogg file is indexed/alphabetized manually. e.g. words under K (k) and under Κ (κ) in this Category. Some Cyrillic letters (Russian), and Greek, may look very similar to latin letters.
      I am suggesting, that at an international platform, it would be very helpful to have lower case letters as headings, because they are more precise than the capitals. Of course, greek is a small exception. Here are some greek letters which could be perceived as latin: Α Β Ε Η Ι Κ Μ Ν Ρ Τ Υ Χ Ζ and Ο = α β ε η ι κ μ ν ρ τ υ χ ζ and ο (this is identical to latin o, but coded differently). Thank you. Sarri.greek (talk) 08:42, 18 September 2018 (UTC)
    • I see, you are talking about how content of categories are indexed, not how the list of categories is indexed. - Jmabel ! talk 15:14, 18 September 2018 (UTC)
  • @Sarri.greek: Subcats and other category content will be sorted alphabetically by name (incl. filename, for files) unless a sort key is added in the categorization, introduced by a pipe character. When you add [[:Category:Greek letters by letter]] to its subcat Category:Psi (letter) is will sort under "P" in Category:Greek letters by letter, but if you add instead [[:Category:Greek letters by letter|Ψ]], it will sort under "Ψ". (Adding such sort keys to files is also possible although not a good idea in most cases.) See also this. -- Tuválkin 00:17, 21 September 2018 (UTC)
    • Thank you @Tuvalkin:Tuválkin, I did not explain myself well (not an anglophone). It is not the sorting, that I meant. It is the use of upper case letters as these little headings e.g. at this Cat the latin and greek symbols are sometimes identical. Suppose large lower case were used: latin: a instead of A, greek: α instead of Α and so on. But, never mind, thanks. Sarri.greek (talk) 00:37, 21 September 2018 (UTC)
  • The headings are always capitalized regardless of how you case the sortkey. E.g., File:Ell-Hlios.ogg will always be under the heading "Η" (upper case eta) regardless of it being categorized as [[:Category:Greek pronunciation|ηλιοσ]] or as [[:Category:Greek pronunciation|Ηλιοσ]]. Simply, the first character is taken, capitalized if its Unicode properties allow it, and used as the heading in the parent category. The only exception are characters like "ß" or "ʔ", with unusual casing rules (cf. "ẞ" and "ɂ"<"Ɂ", resp.). -- Tuválkin 01:27, 21 September 2018 (UTC)
  • Hmm, new idea: You can use "𝛈" or "𝝶", from the Unicode block of en:Mathematical Alphanumeric Symbols. It’s phishing, but it’s for a good cause, I guess. -- Tuválkin 01:32, 21 September 2018 (UTC)
  • Thank you very much @Tuvalkin:Tuválkin. Clever solution at File:Ell-Hlios.ogg. I just hope that one day, wiki-projects will adopt lower case symbols as default for a...z alphabetizing headings and headings only. Sarri.greek (talk) 13:01, 21 September 2018 (UTC)

File:Marie Gutheil-Schoder.jpg[edit]

Is this image appropriate to review. The claim of cc by is not correct as the uploader did not take this image in the early 20th century. If it is passed, the image license has to be changed to EU-Anonymous or something like that. I don't really know if an author took it or if it is safe to review? Best, --Leoboudv (talk) 19:20, 17 September 2018 (UTC)

  • Probably will turn out to be PD, but worth investigating if someone wants to put the effort into it. - Jmabel ! talk 15:19, 18 September 2018 (UTC)
  • Thank You [[User:Jmabel|Jmabel]. I will not review this image. Best, --Leoboudv (talk) 18:13, 18 September 2018 (UTC)

Tech News: 2018-38[edit]

21:58, 17 September 2018 (UTC)

Banana trees in Milan?[edit]

Are these banana trees in Milan? What are the other plants?
Smiley.toerist (talk) 22:57, 17 September 2018 (UTC)
  • Yes, it does look like banana trees. They can grow in climates that are too col for the fruit to be harvestable, though: Uusally grown as an ornamental, not as a crop. -- Tuválkin 00:08, 21 September 2018 (UTC)

September 18[edit]

File:Notimex logo.jpg[edit]

Is this logo too complex to be copyright free? What do you think? If it is please give a reason to file a DR. Complex design? Thank You, --Leoboudv (talk) 05:53, 18 September 2018 (UTC)

  • You might bring this to Commons:Village pump/Copyright to find someone who would know at what level of complexity something becomes copyrightable in Mexico. I would say that in most countries that would be over the threshold and could be copyrighted. - Jmabel ! talk 15:21, 18 September 2018 (UTC)
  • @Leoboudv: It likely is too complex for {{PD-textlogo}}, but does that matter in this case? It's a screenshot from a freely-licensed video, so the current license should be enough. Just make sure to add {{trademarked}}. clpo13(talk) 15:27, 18 September 2018 (UTC)
  • I will be put the {{trademarked}} caution text then. Thank You, --Leoboudv (talk) 18:11, 18 September 2018 (UTC)

September 19[edit]


The source has a cc by sa 3.0 license at the bottom of the source but I am not sure it refers to the photo since it is next to wikipedia's article on the subject in the photo. Secondly, the image resolution is very small and this is the uploader's first image on Commons. Is this image acceptable for Commons or a copy vio? Best, --Leoboudv (talk) 08:25, 19 September 2018 (UTC)

Need help categorizing an image[edit]

Hi, en-wiki regular, first time using commons. This image seems to be in the wrong categories, they're all 1998 instead of 1988 .. I can fix easily but it's strange to me that there are so many incorrect cats. Would like a second opinion. --LaserLegs (talk) 11:28, 19 September 2018 (UTC)

Hello there. There are some typos in category names, just go ahead and change them. Rodhullandemu (talk) 11:49, 19 September 2018 (UTC)

External Search[edit]

For possibly more objective (or more) results (or if you do not want to read 50 KiB plain text, or if you want relieve the Wikimedia servers) there is now also for Commons this as gadget (universal version, analogous [8],[9]). PS: Comments can also be submitted here. -- User: Perhelion 15:02, 19 September 2018 (UTC)

September 20[edit]

The GFDL license on Commons[edit]

18:11, 20 September 2018 (UTC)
Wait one cotton pickin minute...Commons allows local uploads? News to me. GMGtalk 18:18, 20 September 2018 (UTC)
@GreenMeansGo: Really? How have you been uploading? - Jmabel ! talk
I mean. it's kindof a silly artifact of "post this message to all projects that allow local uploads". Also sarcasm. GMGtalk 01:09, 21 September 2018 (UTC)
@GreenMeansGo: the Local upload configuration info (few more details and working links) actually doesn't list Commons, so I had to make an exception to make sure Commons wouldn't be excluded. But maybe it really was a mistake? Otherwise how can we explain "Cross-wiki upload from"? If it's a cross-wiki upload from Commons, where did it get uploaded? - Alexis Jazz ping plz 01:34, 21 September 2018 (UTC)
The sound of one wiki clapping... - Jmabel ! talk 04:36, 21 September 2018 (UTC)
Oh. Okay then. I was just being silly. GMGtalk 10:07, 21 September 2018 (UTC)

Structured Data - IRC Office hours in October and November[edit]

There's a lot happening in for Structured Data: there's an ongoing look at structured statements, a talk page discussion about starting the property creation process on Wikidata, coming next week is a search prototype, coming next month is the first feature release (multilingual captions, you'll be hearing more about that next week or so). As such, I've scheduled two IRC office hours in the next six weeks for the project.

  • Thursday, 4 October from 17:00-18:00 UTC in #wikimedia-office
  • Thursday, 1 November from 17:00-18:00 UTC in #wikimedia-office

Some more information, including a link to join and date/time conversion, is on Meta. I'll post a notice and send out an email to the Commons mailing list as we get closer to the dates. Keegan (WMF) (talk) 20:55, 20 September 2018 (UTC)

September 21[edit]

Hermann Lukowski[edit]

Hi, Some German and/or Polish speaker(s) are needed to find out about this person: Category:Hermann Lukowski. Thanks, Yann (talk) 06:45, 21 September 2018 (UTC)

Some help with agricultural things[edit]

A colleague has uploaded File:John Deere 4720.jpg and we have a category for the tractor. But we would like to know is if there is a category for the additional machinery on the tractor. Thanks. B25es (talk) 16:20, 21 September 2018 (UTC)

Village pumps[edit]

Here in Pakistan there is different types of water pumps that drawn water from the ground mechanically.

The people of Pakistan were first time introduced by a newly formed of mechanical pump after the flood 2010.The government of Saudi Arabia installed many pumps in Southern Punjab province.
— Preceding unsigned comment added by Vet Hassnain Khan (talk • contribs) 17:22, 21 September 2018 (UTC)
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September 22[edit]

Category:Ships by name[edit]

User Themightyquill moved the complete Category:Ships by name without consensus to Category:Ships by name (flat list). It is now the only category (flat list) in Category:Categories by name (flat list). I think this move was not correct. I don't correct it myself, as it has a strong impact. What is the opinion of the community? The discussion page is even closed. --Stunteltje (talk) 08:12, 22 September 2018 (UTC)

Perhaps you could explain why you think it was an incorrect move? It certainly solves a problem, and I don't see what problem it creates. I might mention that I did not move the entirety of Category:Ships by name to Category:Ships by name (flat list), as two other categories remain in the former. That was, in fact, the point of the move. - Themightyquill (talk) 08:30, 22 September 2018 (UTC)
See the discussion page. The problem raised had simple been solved bij recategorisation. Not by renaming, as you did. --Stunteltje (talk) 12:02, 22 September 2018 (UTC)

IMHO, the Category:Ships by name by type should simply be removed, it serves no purpose. The following structure would be logical and completely sufficient:

etc. Thanks --Reinhard Müller (talk) 21:09, 23 September 2018 (UTC)

Public domain of Madagascar postage stamps[edit]

I found these postage stamp from Madagascar, but I did not find any information about the expiration of copyright of postal stamps from this territory in Wikimedia Commons. Without knowing, I will not put on this site. Mário NET (talk) 10:05, 22 September 2018 (UTC)

When was that stamp issued? Ruslik (talk) 20:55, 22 September 2018 (UTC)
Here on this page I found the information that belongs to 1963. Mário NET (talk) 21:34, 22 September 2018 (UTC)
The copyright term in Madagascar is 70 years after the author death and can not find any exceptions for postal stamps. Ruslik (talk) 20:54, 23 September 2018 (UTC)

September 23[edit]

Template:Latvian coins[edit]

The template {{Latvian coins}} is outdated and has dead links. It is titled coins but I think it only applies to bank notes. Euro latvian coins cannot use this license. Triplecaña (talk) 16:11, 23 September 2018 (UTC)

Editing data imported from GLAMs[edit]

jmabel and I had a short discussion about whether it's advisable to change File page contents that were imported from a GLAM and wanted a broader opinion. jmabel suggests that the data should be preserved unchanged, while I think the page contents should be open to be improved on. Is there any policy about this, and what are your opinions? BMacZero (talk) 16:48, 23 September 2018 (UTC)

The edit that raised this discussion is here, though I'm more interested in general best practice than the merits of this specific edit. BMacZero (talk) 16:50, 23 September 2018 (UTC)
For what it's worth, I often add to what came from the GLAM, but am very hesitant to remove anything. In the case of outright errors, I often contact the GLAM, try to get them to make the correction on their site, then bring over the correction. (I've had to do that with the University of Washington Library over a dozen times in the last 2 weeks!) - Jmabel ! talk 23:28, 23 September 2018 (UTC)
yeah, should not "correct" the metadata from GLAMs, such as here [10]; [11]; [12] because we need to maintain the chain of attribution, and reflect what the reliable sources say. GLAMs are a reliable source, we are not. error correcting at the GLAM is the right way, although less summary. you could use a category, which is a commons interpretation. Slowking4 § Sander.v.Ginkel's revenge 23:45, 23 September 2018 (UTC)

September 24[edit]

Picture of the Day caption, 24 Sept[edit]

The English caption for the Picture of the Day is bizarre. It identifies the woodpecker in the picture, but not the (palm?) on which it is perching. Then there is a digression for two sentences about the Republic of Trinidad and Tobago, and the first meeting of its Parliament.

There is no explanation offered as to a connection between the woodpecker and Trinidad and Tobago. Are the captions in other languages equally bizarre? --EncycloPetey (talk) 00:23, 24 September 2018 (UTC)

Also, there is a Speedy deletion notice on the Main Page, though I cannot track the source of the problem. --EncycloPetey (talk) 00:25, 24 September 2018 (UTC)

@EncycloPetey: This is being discussed at COM:AN#Main page issues.   — Jeff G. ツ please ping or talk to me 01:20, 24 September 2018 (UTC)
Thanks, I had e-mailed Billinghurst, as I knew he was around and an admin, so the functional problems seem attended to now.
However, there is still the odd photo caption:
"A female red-crowned woodpecker. . . Trinidad and Tobago became a Republic. . . September 24 is Republic Day. . ."
I mean. . . what??? Three seemingly unrelated statements, only one of which seems to connect to the Photo. --EncycloPetey (talk) 02:24, 24 September 2018 (UTC)