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Czechia vs. Czech Republic[edit]

Our categories related to the Czech Republic seem to be a hodgepodge with respect to whether they use Czechia vs. Czech Republic in their names. I would normally think this is a no-brainer: we normally call things by their common English-language names if they have one, and as far as I know Czech Republic is by far the normal usage in English. But I'm aware that or its equivalents might not be by any means the majority usage in other languages, and this is a multilingual project. Still, it seems to me that this is a place where any uniform decision would be better than no uniform decision. As it is, no one can ever correctly guess any category names for this country without looking up the individual category. ~~- Jmabel ! talk 00:36, 10 February 2017 (UTC)

I would say that in Polish Czechy is far more common than the official Republika Czeska. Anyway, en:Czech Republic#Etymology may give some hint – since May/July 2016 Czechia is the official short name of the state in English. Regarding category names on Commons, IMO Czech Republic should be used everywhere. --jdx Re: 01:58, 10 February 2017 (UTC)
Czech Republic seems best, except there's an open discussion about historical categories at Commons:Categories for discussion/2016/12/Category:History of Czechia. --ghouston (talk) 02:04, 10 February 2017 (UTC)
Regrettably, "Czech Republic" is quite unusable (or even absurd and ridiculous) for pre-1969 context (1848 in the Czech Republic, Comenius among "Educators from the Czech Republic" etc.). The word "Czechia" is maybe not very known among uneducated people but English language has no better word for this meaning – timeless and geographical name of the Czech country. "Czech lands" or "Czech Lands" can be an equivalent (especially in historical context) but generally we don't prefer such country names which emphasize some level of division of the country (except for United States, United Kingdom and Soviet Union which have no simple geographical names). The history-related categories were renamed urgently. However, as it seems, unification of the remained categories requires some time to wait until the irrational resistance weakens. --ŠJů (talk) 17:55, 11 February 2017 (UTC)
I'm not sure it is any less problematic to say that all of the Germans who lived in Bohemia were in "Czechia" than in the "Czech Republic".
There are many cases where we use anachronistic names. For example, Category:Old maps of Israel includes many maps that predate Zionism, let alone Israel. Category:Washington (state) in the 1860s refers to a geographical area that was not a state at that time. - Jmabel ! talk 20:33, 11 February 2017 (UTC)
We also have categories for former entities, such as Category:Maps of the British Mandate of Palestine. Wouldn't those be better than anachronistic names? Washington in the 1860s was Washington Territory. --ghouston (talk) 00:29, 12 February 2017 (UTC)
@Jmabel: The first thing is meaning of the terms, a second and different thing is how well-known is which subject or which term.
* Bohemia is only one part of Czechia, i.e. everybody who lived in Bohemia lived in Czechia but not everybody who lived in Czechia lived in Bohemia.
* Obviously no Czech Republic existed before 1969 (uneducated people didn't notice it even before 1993), but Czechia existed through centuries. E.g. who lived in Bohemia or in Moravia in 1880s, 1920s or 1950s, that lived in Czechia but surely not in the Czech Republic. Although the word Czechia is relatively modern (its Latin form appears in baroque period), Czechia as the area of Czech lands and Czech language is relatively immemorial subject, even though German language prevailed in some periods and areas. Formation of the Czech nation (including Moravians) and the unified state of two lands (under Premyslids) is dated to the 11th century, i.e. since that times, it is not an anachronism to apply retrospectively the term Czechia. German colonization of Sudeten areas of Bohemia and Moravia began in 12th century but it is considered as an internal colonization (supported by the Bohemian King and not disrupting the national identity of the country). Even though Czechia was at least bilingual for centuries, its determination as "primary Czech lands" is unquestionable. (The one-time secondary Czech lands as Lusatias and most of Silesia are commonly not count as parts of Czechia.)
Germany has not so definite meaning in relation to the period before 1871 but "Germany" is obviously more timeless and more universal name of the whole country than "Bundesrepublik Deutschland" or "Federal Republic of Germany". Israel is a bit different case, their state was not created mostly by any previous inhabitant nation of any previously existing country, there was any historic discontinuity. European national countries are relatively stable since medieval times, although empires, states, kingdoms and republics arise, perish, split or join. Czechoslovakia was comprised by two previously existing countries of Czechia and Slovakia. The federalization didn't create the countries, just as the dissolution of the federal "peel" of the two countries. Even the countries of Bohemia and Moravia (constituting parts of Czechia) are existing continuously, even though they have not their own self-governments currently. --ŠJů (talk) 20:31, 13 February 2017 (UTC)
My only strongly held conviction about this particular case is that any uniform decision would be better than no uniform decision. The current state of the categories is a mess. - Jmabel ! talk 00:35, 14 February 2017 (UTC)
Generally, everybody can agree with it, but such an opinion doesn't solve the problem. "Czech Republic" is quite unsuitable and absurd for pre-1969 contexts. I mean that a complete shift to "Czechia" is the only possible solution, but the word has still some adversaries. Maybe, the situation need to grow mature for such a decision. --ŠJů (talk) 23:59, 19 February 2017 (UTC)

Other eyes needed[edit]


I was ready to put a {{NoUploads}} on Category:Donald De Lue and sending all files to DR when I had a doubt, can maybe some of these file be indeed free? At least for the works in France (like Spirit of American Youth Rising from the Waves in Colleville-sur-Mer) where there is no FoP, the deletion is almost certain but what about works in USA? There is FoP there but not sure if it applied for such artworks (and not sure if it's true for both 3D statue and 2D-like relief). As there is maybe a lot of different cases, I'd like some other point of view before starting a RfD.

Cdlt, VIGNERON (talk) 09:56, 15 February 2017 (UTC)

According to Commons:Freedom_of_panorama#United_States, FoP in the US is for architecture only - artworks like statues are not covered by this. --El Grafo (talk) 14:52, 15 February 2017 (UTC)
What happens when sculpture and architecture are combined, like at Category:United States Court House and Post Office Building, Philadelphia? Kaldari (talk) 07:24, 16 February 2017 (UTC)
Those particular sculptures almost certainly are not copyrighted, but if they were the issue would be whether the photograph emphasizes the copyrighted sculpture (in which case it would not be OK) or the inclusion of the sculpture is de minimis (in which case it is OK). For example, you can certainly photograph a building that happens to have some small bas reliefs. - Jmabel ! talk 16:23, 16 February 2017 (UTC)
for US public art, you should be checking SIRIS, i.e. [1]; public buildings from the 30s & 40s tend to be PD WPA, or PD US no notice. need a second license for the sculpture. also user:smallbones can speak to philly. Slowking4 § Sander.v.Ginkel's revenge 00:43, 19 February 2017 (UTC)
See Commons:Public art and copyrights in the US about the copyright of publicly displayed sculptures in the US. Before 1978 if they were displayed in a public setting (not a closed gallery) and they don't have a visible copyright mark they are in the public domain. Freedom of panorama then is irrelevant. The SIRIS website mentioned above notes the writing on and around the sculpture, so should be checked to see if there is a copyright mark and also for the date of display. All my photos of public sculpture involve a close examination for a copyright mark and checking the date of display. Any blanket ban of De Lue's American work is totally uncalled for. Smallbones (talk) 03:05, 19 February 2017 (UTC)

Review of initial updates on Wikimedia movement strategy process[edit]

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February 16[edit]

George Eastman House[edit]

Looks like George Eastman House has a new website: It is way classier but it aint yuge, because try as you might neither button «browse our collection» nor «advanced search» yields anything remotely close to the wealth of material the previous version of the site, clunky and fugly as it was, did. All links to previous resources are now, “obviously”, lost and pointing redirected to a limp — sad!

A couple years ago I uploaded from GEH all photos by/from Charles Chusseau-Flaviens that pertain Portugal (resulting that Category:Photographs of Portugal by Charles Chusseau-Flaviens‎ includes 845 files and its parent Category:Charles Chusseau-Flaviens‎ has only 28…) and I did add 2 source urls for each image. They look like this:

  • number)_ful.html
  • number).jpg

It is possible to mend this case of linkrot by adding*/ right before each of these urls. Even for those which were not archived the result isn’t any worse. Anyone against? Any better ideas? -- Tuválkin 02:31, 16 February 2017 (UTC)

For linking to archived versions of pages at the Internet Archive, it could be useful to use*/ which uses HTTPS and as such would provide more privacy and security for users than an HTTP link.
It appears that a number of the photos have a 12-digit number (identified as "(some number)" above) in the URL. For a photo that has such a number, it may be possible to link to a "search results" page with just an entry for the photo by dividing the 12-digit number into three groups of four digits separated by periods, and to append the number to the URL. For example, in the case of File:1er_de_l’an_au_Palais_de_Belém.jpg, there is the source URL, and for linking to the "search results" page, appears to work. For File:BarbarosHayreddin-class1910s.jpg, which has the source URL the URL for the "search results" page would be --Gazebo (talk) 09:39, 16 February 2017 (UTC)
For the photos in the Category:Photographs of Portugal by Charles Chusseau-Flaviens‎, it might be possible to do a search and replace operation (such as with VisualFileChange) by using regexps and replacement strings. For the first variety of source URL, the regexp would be /http://www\.geh\.org/ar/chus/([a-z])+/m([0-9]{4})([0-9]{4})([0-9]{4})_ful\.html(#[a-z]+)?/ and the replacement string would be$2.$3.$4. For the second variety of source URL, the regexp would be http://www\.geh\.org/ar/strip[0-9]{2}/m([0-9]{4})([0-9]{4})([0-9]{4})\.jpg and the replacement string would be$1.$2.$3. --Gazebo (talk) 10:41, 18 February 2017 (UTC)

Public domain images of the Oroville dam crisis[edit]


I just came around these pictures of the 2017 Oroville Dam crisis. I haven't got time to upload them but maybe someone would have the time to make them available on Commons.

Have a good day, Letartean (talk) 15:28, 16 February 2017 (UTC)

I've seen images of the crisis with a copyright notice from the California Department of Water Resources. I am not certain that such a copyright claim would be legit; {{PD-CAGov}} sounds like it would apply to images made by the DWR, and people incorrectly claiming copyright on things they don't have rights to is common even in government departments. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 16:10, 16 February 2017 (UTC)
The site seems to be produced by the DWR and the pictures have a Public Domain license attribution on the site (click on one of the picture to see it. Maybe you're right, still. Good day, Letartean (talk) 16:29, 16 February 2017 (UTC)

Please note my (currently unanswered) query, above, about #California Highway Patrol images. Andy Mabbett (talk) 23:36, 16 February 2017 (UTC)

Hi, Images from Tweeter are quite uncertain, but I don't see any issue with images from the California Department of Water Resources website. A lot of images from there would be useful on Wikimedia. Any one with a bot? @:? Regards, Yann (talk) 16:29, 17 February 2017 (UTC)
I tried to get a few images, but I always get "Download unavailable. Please contact us for download access to this file." Any idea how to get them? Thanks, Yann (talk) 17:38, 19 February 2017 (UTC)
On this page, there is a "Download" button (with a downwards-pointing arrow) in the lower-right corner. However, it appears that usage of the download option requires signing up for a free PhotoShelter account. On the sign up page, there is a note about accessing specific site content, which may be relevant. --Gazebo (talk) 14:32, 24 February 2017 (UTC)

Is just that all my drawings were deleted withoug any concensus[edit]

Hello I'm Vicond.In the past an User posted to me a deletion request of basically all my uploads of images See:. Subsequently, an Administrator deleted withoug any consensus, of the community all my work.For me It's was very absurd.Speaking about the matter of the images I'ts represent a lot of drawings MADE BY MOUSE,that I'm absolutely sure that could be posted in the category with the same name.

In other side I draw a lot of drawings that are intimate linked with the customers and tippical culture of my comunity.I wonder: I'ts not represent any condition of educative way in any case??

I know It's was very time ago but on that time the possibilities to communicate with the commons admin was very limited. So, I wonder if any human person here can help me to resolv this inconvenient. Can I resque my drawings??Meaby making a kind of selection?

Thank you very mutch. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vicond (talk • contribs) 16:03, 17 February 2017 (UTC)

  • As an admin, I can still see these. I looked at four, more or less at random. I don't see any reason these would be any more in scope than any other art by a non-notable artist. There's nothing to stop you from posting these elsewhere on the Internet, and if you've lost the originals I'd be glad to help with a temporary undelete so you can recover them, but I don't see any reason for these to be on Commons. - Jmabel ! talk 16:38, 17 February 2017 (UTC)

Frist of all:Thak you very mutch by your amability.Sadly and in adiction I have to say that I loose the works...Even the four that you see is corresponding to others uploads made by others users made more recently.In fact if you go to the pages of the files, you can note that the names of the pages is not correspondig with the names of the primary files, like one kind of redirecting. In any way I will be gratefull to recover this works or at least the most part of them, if you believe is possible that. I promisess to be more careful when I made my uploads in the future.Honestly:I thinked that could served in an educative way like expression of the culture of my country. Thank you very mutch aggain. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vicond (talk • contribs) 16:03, 17 February 2017 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vicond (talk • contribs) 17:12, 17 February 2017 (UTC)

I'm also an administrator and have reviewed the deleted materials which were not educational. In fact, the remaining images in your gallery also seem to have no educational purpose. Commons is not here to be your filing cabinet or scrap book, sorry! Ellin Beltz (talk) 18:10, 17 February 2017 (UTC)
it's true, commons is not flickr, and artists and institutions should be using the latter. Slowking4 § Sander.v.Ginkel's revenge 23:35, 18 February 2017 (UTC)

Google Cultural Institute sync?[edit]

Back in 2012 a big batch of Google Art images were uploaded. Google Art was renamed to Google Cultural Institute and more content has been added. I noticed some more recent pictures, but I don't think anyone recently did a batch upload to add the missing images here. Am I right or did I miss a big upload? Can someone sync the public domain paintings to Commons? Multichill (talk) 17:14, 17 February 2017 (UTC)

@Multichill: Downloading from Google is a complex task, with all those obfuscation and encryption Google uses. Searching the web about it, almost all the solutions I see are:
  • Solutions that once worked before Google obfuscated the images, but no longer works after that.
  • Use some programs to resize the browser to some insanely large size then take a screenshot.
  • Search on Commons (maybe we should be proud of this)
  • Use a site (which I already forgot). The method was mainly, AFAICT, reverse-engineered image url and de-obfuscation, with the image concatenated in user's browser.
A year ago I had a script that could download this, using headless browsers to fetch the images and imagemagick to concatenate them. However, with Google redesigning some parts of the site, and Ubuntu Trusty being deprecated on Tool Labs, the script no longer works and needs a complete rewrite/overhaul. I'll try to get it done during March/April due to the headless browser requiring Firefox 53 (currently alpha). --Zhuyifei1999 (talk) 01:30, 20 February 2017 (UTC)

Do not crop template[edit]

The scale is important on en:Portable Antiquities Scheme

Do - or could - we have a template, say {{Do not crop}}, to warn when an image like the above is used on an article where cropping (say, to remove the scale) would be detrimental to its purpose?

If so, the crop tool should not allow an image marked with the template to be overwritten. Andy Mabbett (talk) 17:25, 17 February 2017 (UTC)

It may be good idea but someone will need to make a change to MediaWiki:Gadget-CropTool.js. Ruslik (talk) 19:29, 17 February 2017 (UTC)
Preempt by creating a cropped version as a new file. -- (talk) 10:05, 19 February 2017 (UTC)
I don't think that would stop well meaning but uninformed individuals; and in some cases there are multiple possible ways to crop. Andy Mabbett (talk) 19:24, 19 February 2017 (UTC)
See the “Merging categories“ thread above (under Feb. 15); I think that’s what Images with intentional borders is supposed to do when populated by {{Border is intentional}}, which last I take to mean more or less the same thing as {{Do not crop}}. It might be easier to exclude the category from CropTool than to make it look for a template.—Odysseus1479 (talk) 17:50, 19 February 2017 (UTC)
No, it is not the same as (though it is comparable to) 'Border is intentional'. Andy Mabbett (talk) 19:24, 19 February 2017 (UTC)

February 18[edit]

All geolocated images which I have uploaded displayed on a map[edit]

Hi there, I have made tons of pics all over the world and uploaded them here. I would like to see an wiki-integrated map with a layer of my locations. What do I have to do? Thanks and bye --Mattes (talk) 12:55, 18 February 2017 (UTC)

Firstly, put all your images in one category (mine is Category:Images by Andy Mabbett). Andy Mabbett (talk) 20:23, 18 February 2017 (UTC)
✓ Done Category:Work by Mattes --Mattes (talk) 08:52, 19 February 2017 (UTC)

Category problem[edit]

I recently came across Category:CL, meant for images of a Korean K-pop singer. However the category is mostly filled with images of cathedrals, castles, canal locks and such, uploaded from Panoramio. Only 7 out of 354 actually belong there. Could this be fixed, and if so how? --Auric (talk) 16:53, 18 February 2017 (UTC)

  • I think most of that miscategorizations comes from CL (or rather CyL) standing for Castille-Leon, a region of Spain. Before deleting, better move them to Category:Castilla y León. -- Tuválkin 01:07, 19 February 2017 (UTC)
✓ Done. -- Tuválkin 10:14, 19 February 2017 (UTC)

Improving PD-art templates[edit]

Instead of {{PD-art-70}} and {{PD-art-100}}, we could have a template that looks like, say, {{PD-art-year|1920}}, and which works out the necessary text to display, changing it as the years roll on.

In other words, {{PD-art-year|1917}} would display like {{PD-art-70}} this year, but from 1 January 2018, would display like {{PD-art-100}}. Andy Mabbett (talk) 20:21, 18 February 2017 (UTC)

We allready have {{PD-old-auto}}, like {{PD-old-auto|deathyear=1935}}. Maybe a good idea to create the same or similar for PD-art. --JuTa 20:51, 18 February 2017 (UTC)
you could just do {{PD-art|PD-old-auto|deathyear=1935}} Slowking4 § Sander.v.Ginkel's revenge 23:31, 18 February 2017 (UTC)

Intersection categories[edit]

I'm working on some categories; see, for example, Commons:Categories for discussion/2017/02/Category:Taken with Canon EOS 60D and Canon EF 100mm F2.8L Macro IS USM. It looks like it's a straightforward intersection of Category:Taken with Canon EOS 60D and Category:Taken with Canon EF 100mm F2.8L Macro IS USM. This should be doable with the Help:FastCCI tool, but it just hangs. Trying it on the command line, I think it's broken?

 $ wscat -c 'wss://'
 connected (press CTRL+C to quit)

There are, for Canon alone, about fifty camera models and sixty lens models. The combinatorial blowup here is potentially over three thousand, and that doesn't even include filters. Is FastCCI broken? Should there be three thousand intersecting categories instead of two sets of fifty and sixty? I don't think intersections are warranted here, but I feel like I'm missing something. COM:CAT#Principles says that intersection categories are sometimes reasonable, but I don't think they make sense here, especially if we have tools which can perform the intersection. --grendel|khan 21:45, 18 February 2017 (UTC)

I don't know about FastCCI, but a search query can give the intersection: incategory:"Taken with Canon EOS 60D" incategory:"Taken with Canon EF 100mm F2.8L Macro IS USM". Creating the thousands of intersection categories doesn't sound like a great idea. Next somebody will want Category:Taken with Canon EOS 60D and Canon EF 100mm F2.8L Macro IS USM on 2017-02-19. --ghouston (talk) 03:59, 19 February 2017 (UTC)
Also, once you choose a particular set of intersections, you make it harder to do different intersections. E.g., incategory:"Taken with Canon EOS 60D" incategory:"CC-Zero". There's also a good chance that a lot of this intersection work will be undone when Structured data is implemented. --ghouston (talk) 04:11, 19 February 2017 (UTC)
Thank you; that search query is extremely helpful! (It's even worse than you think; there's intersection categories for all manner of equipment; see Category:Taken with Canon EOS 60D and Canon EF 100mm F2.8 Macro USM + Raynox DCR-250, for example.) One thing that worries me is that policy (COM:CAT) is mostly silent on this. ("A category can combine two (or more) different criteria; such categories are called "compound categories" or "intersection categories"."--there's no guidelines for when it is or isn't appropriate to do this sort of thing.) Is this the right place to seek a firmer policy, or at least to push for a flatter categorization for the camera-equipment categories? --grendel|khan 08:37, 19 February 2017 (UTC)
  • As I mentioned at the deletion discussion in question, when it comes to camera + lens combinations, I don't find the intersection to be too problematic. Yes, there are numerous possible categories. However, a simple camera + lens combination is useful for showing the potential performance of a certain body with a certain lens, as camera performance can vary considerably based on lens used (and vice versa). I don't think it will reach the point where we have Camera + lens + date, and if it does such intersections would be deletable under the simplicity principal at COM:Categories.
@--ghouston: I thought the more advanced search tools allowed us to select how deep of a search to go (i.e. up to 3 subcategories). In such a case, if you tell the tool to search down three levels wouldn't searching "Taken with Canon EOS 60D" automatically bring up images in "Taken with Canon EOS 60 and foo lens"? — Chris Woodrich (talk) 08:08, 23 February 2017 (UTC)
Probably, but I expect it would be slow when there are a lot of categories to be scanned. --ghouston (talk) 08:49, 24 February 2017 (UTC)

IAEA images[edit]

Hi, I came accross IAEA Flickr stream, which contains many useful free images. Could someone with a bot upload them? Independently some files were imported, but are not in Category:Files from IAEA Flickr stream. Could someone with a bot add them there? Thanks, Yann (talk) 22:10, 18 February 2017 (UTC)

Those are NC, so you might want to have a word with the UNESCO Wikimedian in Residence, User:John Cummings. Slowking4 § Sander.v.Ginkel's revenge 23:41, 18 February 2017 (UTC)
Hmmm, well I have no idea how to do it with a bot... You might want to try using Flickr2Commons to find and upload any Wikipedia compatible license images. It looks like the Flickr account uses a mix of different licenses and Flickr2Commons will filter out the ones that aren't compatible with Wikimedia Commons.... --John Cummings (talk) 21:10, 19 February 2017 (UTC)
Flickr2Commons detects about 12,000 images with a free license among a total of 18,000+ images. But then it crashes on Chrome+Win7 on a 8 GB RAM machine... :/ Regards, Yann (talk) 21:50, 19 February 2017 (UTC)

February 19[edit]

Recruiting photographers[edit]

How do we recruit photographers online and/or offline? So far, Wikipedians demand more free photos as they are challenging the use of copyrighted photos. If more photographers are recruited, they can let us share some of their own photos of things and people, living and deceased. Thoughts? --George Ho (talk) 09:52, 19 February 2017 (UTC)

I searched for an image of w:Jill Saward at Flickr but found none except photos of the singer with the same name. I don't live in the UK. Nevertheless, I found Twitter webpage and official website of her husband (widower), Gavin Drake. I don't know what to appropriately say to him, given that Saward died last month. I don't feel comfortable taking advantage of a grieving widower just for an image of Saward. If contacting him is not a good choice, how else can I convince any photographer to contribute to Commons? --George Ho (talk) 19:07, 19 February 2017 (UTC)

One possibility is to look at the history page of the Wikipedia article and look for the people that have contributed to the article. In particular when they contribute also to Commons, you can ask them. Possibly they have ideas how to obtain the desired photos. Success. Wouter (talk) 19:30, 19 February 2017 (UTC)
@Espresso Addict, Philip Cross, Aircorn, Stephen, Marchjuly: Your thoughts about this? --George Ho (talk) 20:01, 19 February 2017 (UTC)
Also pinging Jayron32. --George Ho (talk) 20:03, 19 February 2017 (UTC)
Firstly, please don't use "free" and "copyrighted" as if they were opposites. They are not. We have lots of free content here that is protected by copyright.
Secondly, we already have File:Jill 080627b.jpg, for which the uploader claims to have sent in permission evidence via e-mail.
As for the subject heading, if all you want are free media, then you don't necessarily need to recruit photographers to Commons – you "only" need to convince them to publish their content under a free license. Creative Commons does a lot of work on that. LX (talk, contribs) 23:56, 19 February 2017 (UTC)
@LX: Oh... the Saward photo is still pending. Hmm... I didn't know that. That case aside, I have another case of obtaining a permission to use a photo of w:A. A. Gill. I contacted some photographers about the Commons. I provided them links to contribute to Wikimedia Commons, like a Welcome page and COM:Flickr files. I did imply permission to use their photos, but I also said that they can upload their photos to Commons themselves. I've not yet received a response from them. Well, I did receive one email saying that this photo is not his work but someone else's. I replied and still am awaiting another response. --George Ho (talk) 01:32, 20 February 2017 (UTC)
we have a desperate need for photos. why don't you submit an idea lab for small grants for photo stringers of living people at premieres and book festivals? Slowking4 § Sander.v.Ginkel's revenge 04:15, 20 February 2017 (UTC)
@Slowking4: I am not sure which "idea lab" you refer to. Can you clarify? Commons:Picture requests looks messy and requires a lot of cleanup. --George Ho (talk) 04:36, 20 February 2017 (UTC)
it is the on ramp to grants - here you go meta:Grants:IdeaLab/Inspire - Slowking4 § Sander.v.Ginkel's revenge 12:04, 20 February 2017 (UTC)
@Slowking4: Reading IdeaLab, that requires a lot of resources and effort. What happens if I just bring up the idea and then not contribute afterwards? --George Ho (talk) 20:09, 20 February 2017 (UTC)
idealab is where you pitch ideas - the probability of implementation goes up as the quality of the planning goes up. - it will take resources to stipend photographers. Slowking4 § Sander.v.Ginkel's revenge 20:33, 20 February 2017 (UTC)

@Slowking4: I created meta:Grants:IdeaLab/In memoria and commemorations, but it's more about images of people who became recently deceased and ones who are now deceased. When shall I create an idea about recruiting photographers in general? --George Ho (talk) 22:26, 20 February 2017 (UTC)

I refer people to en:WP:A picture of you (if I'm asking for a picture of them) or en:Wikipedia:Images from social media (if I'm asking them to donate pictures they've taken themselves, and then posted to sites like Twitter or Facebook. Note that the pages are on Wikipedia, because that's the brand that most people recognise, and that they are written in plain language, with (I hope) no Wikipedia jargon. Andy Mabbett (talk) 15:15, 22 February 2017 (UTC)
i have also started m:Grants:IdeaLab/images of living people. we will see if we can pry loose some expense money. Slowking4 § Sander.v.Ginkel's revenge 17:16, 22 February 2017 (UTC)

February 20[edit]

European Space Agency release its content under a CC BY-SA 3.0 IGO license[edit]


If someone could import them en masse with a bot or something, that would be great.

Regards. --Thibaut120094 (talk) 14:54, 20 February 2017 (UTC)

Wow! We should also review deleted files from ESA. Regards, Yann (talk) 15:35, 20 February 2017 (UTC)
@: FYI. Andy Mabbett (talk) 16:53, 20 February 2017 (UTC)
This is incredible news!! It seems from the announcement, however, that we can't automatically regard their content as CC BY-SA as we can automatically regard NASA content as PD. It's just a statement of intent to apply the license a lot more broadly. Am I reading that right? If so, hopefully they will retrospectively apply it to most of their online archives soon, if they haven't already.
Addendum: I found their use policy, which confirms that the CC BY-SA license only applies "where explicitly so stated". So it looks like this is an announcement that they plan to explicitly state it in a lot more places in the near future. I can't wait! A2soup (talk) 04:07, 21 February 2017 (UTC)
Absolutely fantastic, but as has been suggested, this should only be taken as moving forward under specific circumstances. It only applies, for now, to material produced in whole by ESA, and not to anything created under partnership with industry or other agencies. So, we'll still have to exercise caution when uploading, but things are about to get a whole lot easier. Very exciting, as I especially hope this opens up even more of the Rosetta archive. Huntster (t @ c) 08:41, 21 February 2017 (UTC)

Tech News: 2017-08[edit]

19:25, 20 February 2017 (UTC)

Removal of out of scope mass announcements[edit]

I would like to propose that mass announcements and posts which are posted across many projects but have no obvious connection for Wikimedia Commons, or raise no issues for the Wikimedia Commons project, can be removed from the Village pump, and any contributor that takes action to do this may do so with a presumption of good faith from the wider Community. As stated at the top of this noticeboard, it "is used for discussions of the operations, technical issues, and policies of Wikimedia Commons", so posts which are simple blanket mass announcements and raise nothing of obvious interest about the operation, technical issues or policies of Wikimedia Commons should not be here, while those that meet the scope should be kept for discussion. For notices of wide general interest to the entire Wikimedia Community, CentralNotice has the best impact, and using that procedure for mass communication helps to keep this noticeboard in scope. Thanks -- (talk) 20:02, 20 February 2017 (UTC)

If you're referring to "Tech News: 2017-08" directly above, then I would prefer that they keep posting it here. There are some other announcements which are less relevant to Commons, but also less frequent... AnonMoos (talk) 01:04, 21 February 2017 (UTC)
How about replacing post like that one, which are at best tangential, with a link to the master post on meta? By the way you can subscribe and have copies on your talk page, if you really want transcluded copies. -- (talk) 02:18, 21 February 2017 (UTC)
Edit summaries or the Hovercards/Page Previews beta feature are available on Wikimedia Commons. How did you get to "no obvious connection"? --Malyacko (talk) 13:35, 21 February 2017 (UTC)

If there's a specific regular post that is cluttering this page, then we can debate removing it. Otherwise this just seems like rule creep. The scope quoted above has remained unchanged since the page was created and I doubt that a whole lot of thought went into it. It used to also say "Other discussions are welcome here until pages are created to hold them" and now we have some other pages which are listed. There is more variety here than that "scope" implies. Including, for example, discussions about new websites containing free images, or noting legal and political threats/opening of free content. Even notices of wide community impact (such as WMF) may warrant discussion among Commons regulars, something that the central notice does not provide. Surely this should be a page where people can post whatever they, in good faith, feel the community might like to discuss (that doesn't have a dedicated forum) without having to read 101 rules or run the risk of someone rudely dismissing their edit. I'd rather this page supported good-faith-inclusionism than some kind of unilateral "good-faith" removalism. -- Colin (talk) 13:53, 21 February 2017 (UTC)

+1. Yann (talk) 14:10, 21 February 2017 (UTC)
Symbol keep vote.svg Agree with Colin --Jarekt (talk) 17:38, 21 February 2017 (UTC)
+1 --El Grafo (talk) 10:40, 22 February 2017 (UTC)

really dislikes the tech news has advocated several times to get rid of tech news on this page. See also discussions at Commons:Village_pump/Archive/2016/02#Tech_News:_2016-07 and Commons:Village_pump/Archive/2016/11#Tech_News:_2016-44. I'll note that this page can be unsubscribed from the delivery list by simply removing it from m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors. Matma Rex (talk) 16:50, 22 February 2017 (UTC)

Please don't make statements about what is in my head, unless you have mind reading powers. I do not dislike tech news, and I find it interesting to check over, which I can do by following it on meta and anything tech and more urgent I tend to find out about from announcements on Wikitech-l. Movement wide newsletters and announcements posted by bots are not a good fit, as frustratingly to ask questions you have to go to yet another forum off Wikimedia Commons. If someone who contributed to the tech newsletter were to customize the post, or even just introduce it to point out anything of interest for Commons contributors, that would be great and would indicate some human interest rather than automatons relentlessly delivering box-ticking of the Comms plan. -- (talk) 17:06, 22 February 2017 (UTC)
yeah, some projects have such self regard, that they like broadcasting on noticeboards. some others narrow cast on user talk after opt in. i prefer the latter; it is more considerate. Slowking4 § Sander.v.Ginkel's revenge 17:13, 22 February 2017 (UTC)

February 21[edit]

WikiProject Women[edit]

Hi, I created this project. Your contributions, opinions, suggestions, and critics are welcome. Regards, Yann (talk) 13:35, 21 February 2017 (UTC)

You left out Annie Besant's name in the caption. Not too sure why you chose her, since her main life's work was Theosophy, and she held a number of extremely bizarre (and sometimes repulsive) beliefs in connection with it... AnonMoos (talk) 14:19, 22 February 2017 (UTC)
Hi, I don't understand what you want to say by "Annie Besant's name in the caption". The objective is to help the creation and promotion of images of women, by women and for women, irrespective of their origin, opinions, etc. And she also was a women's rights activist, although she is better known for her work on theosophy. Regards, Yann (talk) 14:41, 22 February 2017 (UTC)
Dude, her name ain't in the caption. It says "British women's rights activist, writer and orator", but does not include her name. To see some of the dark side of the swirling vortex of strange occultism that was Theosophy, start with en:Root race. Would you really include a photo of en:Ilse Koch on your page? (Not that I'm comparing Besant and Koch...) AnonMoos (talk) 15:11, 22 February 2017 (UTC)
dude, go change the caption. not sure why you want to sea lion a project with anti-theosophy ideology. Slowking4 § Sander.v.Ginkel's revenge 17:10, 22 February 2017 (UTC)
If I were to edit the caption, it would basically be impossible for me not to change it to be a lot less evasively blandly flattering than it is now. And if she were just a follower or believer in theosophy, it might not be so relevant -- but she was in fact its main founder, and so basically a cult leader... AnonMoos (talk) 22:27, 22 February 2017 (UTC)

What does it mean?[edit]

This message is followed by a table with metadata in every file page.

"This file contains additional information, probably added from the digital camera or scanner used to create or digitize it.

If the file has been modified from its original state, some details may not fully reflect the modified file."

What does the second sentence mean? Please explain it.--維基小霸王 (talk) 16:57, 21 February 2017 (UTC)

This refers to en:Exif data. Image editing programs can remove or modify that data. For instance, en:Exif#Problems has an example where the embedded thumbnail may not be updated when an image is modified, so the thumbnail will show an outdated version of the image. clpo13(talk) 17:26, 21 February 2017 (UTC)

Would it be possible to insert a link to w:EXIF, into the text mentioned above? Andy Mabbett (talk) 20:17, 24 February 2017 (UTC)

February 22[edit]

The first video uploaded to YouTube[edit]

Hello.Is there a benefit of being here?See Commons:Deletion requests/File:Me at the zoo.webm.Thank you --ديفيد عادل وهبة خليل 2 (talk) 13:16, 22 February 2017 (UTC)

Cropping an image to remove possible non-de minimis image of a fictional character?[edit]

Please see this deletion request discussion: Commons:Deletion requests/File:ShimajiroDisplayChina.jpg - A user is arguing that the image should be deleted because there is a cardboard cutout of a copyrighted character but I proposed cropping it out so what is left is de minimis (it is a display of Shimajiro-themed merchandise in China) - the character originates from Japan WhisperToMe (talk) 15:33, 22 February 2017 (UTC)

Babel box is too wide[edit]


I have noticed that the box displaying the language abilities of users is too wide, as a result of which there is a distinct white edge (empty space) on the right.

The width of the box is 250px, but I think this should be 242. The examples on the right will hopefully show you the difference.

The width appears to be defined by class="mw-babel-wrapper".

I don't know if this issue can be resolved locally, but perhaps a developer or somebody with editing rights can look into it. ErikvanB (talk) 20:36, 22 February 2017 (UTC)

I've often noticed little things like this. The only answer is usually to design your own, as you've done above, or as I've done on my user page. I've also seen a lot of messy pages where the user doesn't seem to worry about it. These are the people whose pictures and posters on their walls at home are all crooked and uneven... Face-wink.svg lNeverCry 21:39, 22 February 2017 (UTC)
Ha! Ha! Thanks. ;-) ErikvanB (talk) 22:29, 22 February 2017 (UTC)
Also please note that there is deprecated template {{babel}} and MadiaWiki's parser function {{#babel}}. There are differences between them. --jdx Re: 04:38, 23 February 2017 (UTC)
  • You also have the option of adding the language categories to your user page manually. Daphne Lantier 08:25, 23 February 2017 (UTC)

February 23[edit]

Redirected categories, inmovable interwikis[edit]

Is there any possibility that interwikis migrate with redirecting category, see for example: Otherwise, it is very dedious to fix these manually--Estopedist1 (talk) 10:13, 23 February 2017 (UTC)

I am not sure that they should migrate. Ruslik (talk) 18:51, 23 February 2017 (UTC)

Voting for cut-off date for PD-old with unknown date of death of author[edit]

Hi all, to conclude the discussion about how we should deal with old files if the PMA+70 rule applies and we don't know when the author died, I have started a vote: Commons:Village_pump/Copyright#Voting. Please vote, so that we can come to a consensus. Jcb (talk) 22:22, 23 February 2017 (UTC)

February 24[edit]

~~~~ Not Working Properly[edit]

~~~~ Not Working Properly in source editing -- Suyash Dwivedi (talk) 07:17, 24 February 2017 (UTC)

@Suyash.dwivedi: How is it "not working properly"? Example and expectation required. --Malyacko (talk) 11:52, 24 February 2017 (UTC)

Is there a way to export all vector graphics from a pdf automatically?[edit]

Hi all

I'm working with some open license publications that have 100s of open license vector graphics graphs in them. Currently I have worked out that I can extract them one page at a time using Illustrator or Inkscape as svg files, however it is taking far to long. Can anyone think of a way to extract the images in some way more automatically? Is there a way to automated making svg files from all pages in a pdf? There are going to be 1000s of pages in total, maybe even 10,000s.


--John Cummings (talk) 09:17, 24 February 2017 (UTC)

I have never used it, but you might give a try to PDF2SVG. --jdx Re: 10:10, 24 February 2017 (UTC)
Thanks Jdx, unfortunately I can't get it to run for some reason.... I'll keep trying. --John Cummings (talk) 16:10, 24 February 2017 (UTC)
OMG Jdx, I got it working and it is amazing. It works perfectly :) :) :), I will write a guide. --John Cummings (talk) 16:21, 24 February 2017 (UTC)

Current preferred language ?[edit]

Is there a good way to get somebody's current preferred language, to pass on into a templated Wikidata query?

I know on Wikidata, the system software seems to use people's Babel template to generate a sequence of languages to offer. Is anything like that available here, and is it available to template writers?

Thanks, Jheald (talk) 16:59, 24 February 2017 (UTC)

February 25[edit]

Reuploading a large number of files[edit]

What's the easiest way of reuploading lots of files? I've tried using VicuñaUploader, but it refuses to reupload files. Jc86035 (talk) Use {{re|Jc86035}}
to reply to me
10:31, 25 February 2017 (UTC)

  • By "reupload" do you mean to write over an existing file? (I don't have an answer, just trying to clarify the question.) - Jmabel ! talk 17:48, 25 February 2017 (UTC)
In case the answer to Jmabel’s question is yes, then it is a feature: In Commons:VicuñaUploader you can read “It checks file-name conflicts before sending files to Commons”. — Speravir – 18:59, 25 February 2017 (UTC)
  • Sure, but the lack of a manual override is a bit of a misfeature. - Jmabel ! talk 21:51, 25 February 2017 (UTC)

Sorting character for unidentified subjects[edit]

Please could we discuss it in Category talk:unidentified subjects#Sorting character thanks--Pierpao.lo (listening) 10:53, 25 February 2017 (UTC)

Multiple copyvio uploads[edit] 23:12, 25 February 2017 (UTC)

✓ Done Files deleted, user warned. Yann (talk) 23:33, 25 February 2017 (UTC)

February 26[edit]