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People of Ngadisan (Java, Indonesia) are filling their cans at the village pump. The old well is defunct and replaced by a water tap. [add]
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1 Searching structured data; replacements of the category system 4 3 Jmabel 2022-06-19 16:35
2 Is there any way to limit a search by file license? 6 5 Robkelk 2022-06-19 11:58
3 How to identify people in an image? 2 2 HyperGaruda 2022-06-19 05:05
4 No P180 property for this file in SD 3 2 Smiley.toerist 2022-06-19 11:47
5 Transformation of an image 2 2 Animalparty 2022-06-19 19:19
6 Desktop Improvements update 2 1 SGrabarczuk (WMF) 2022-06-23 21:42
7 Putting a CC 1.0 license automatically for North Macedonian official images 19 5 Jmabel 2022-06-26 15:45
8 Photo inherited from photographer - required information? 6 4 SternaElegans 2022-06-22 21:48
9 Old, vintage, historical, or what?... 4 4 RTG 2022-06-26 10:45
10 Copyright question 8 2 Jmabel 2022-06-23 20:27
11 Maquettes 13 7 RTG 2022-06-26 21:20
12 Commons Archive 3 2 Yann 2022-06-24 15:51
13 Spectrum 3 3 RTG 2022-06-26 10:30
14 Questionable & useless 2 2 Yann 2022-06-25 13:33
15 Is re-licensing own work possible? 3 3 RTG 2022-06-26 10:27
16 Annotation bug ? 3 3 Wouterhagens 2022-06-26 19:48
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May 11[edit]

freedom of panorama in the US: paintings on buildings[edit]

Hi, newbie here doing some research about FoP. I've understood that freedom of panorama in the US only applies to buildings, which do not include other 3D arts and 2D art. However according to Leicester v. Warner Bros., paintings on the exterior of buildings are integral parts of the buildings, thus included in the FoP. Is it safe to say that those paintings, murals and graffitis are with FoP so suitable for Commons (talking only about paintings right on the buildings, not about posters or separate paintings which are not parts of buildings)? Taking the mural in Quebec City for example, if this were located in the US and within time period of copyright protection, would this mural still be under FoP in the US because it's an integral part of the building? Thanks --Suiren2022 (talk) 01:36, 11 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

June 17[edit]

Searching structured data; replacements of the category system[edit]

This is a longer problem, TL;DR warning. Some of the responses of the questions here ought to be in Help:Search in some clearly understandable manner.

The original question was how to list/search sub-categories easily, and it seems to be best answered by using Special:Search and either giving the category in the advanced field, or use a search string like "deepcat:"Pictures by Madboy74" deepcat:"Coats of arms of Transilvania"" for specific category search or intersection search.

However this have lead me to numerous discussion and closed issues telling that Structured data should have replaced the (hard to use and inflexible) Category system. While this is an unrelated question (whether it should or not) I started to examine how to search by structured data. Generally it seems searching is not supported for the common people, since it's only available by using the geeky properties with no lookup whatsoever, like haswbstatement:P170=Q15136093, clearly unfriendly, but at least works. The syntax is described here in WikibaseCirrusSearch and WikibaseMediaInfo to some extent.

However, I have completely failed to look up this image by trying to look for creator (P170) with "some value" (I can't even guess where this come from) with a qualifier Wikimedia usrname (P4174) containing a string. The search haswbstatement:P170=*[P4174=Madboy74] doesn't work, but it seems haswbstatement:P170=* doesn't, either, while it seems like it should.

So, my main questions:

  • Is there any way or concept for Average Joe to search by structured data?
  • Where does some value come from, and how to search for its qualifiers?
  • How to find that specific image by that specific structured data?
  • Does anyone think structured data could be used instead of the category system ("are we there yet")? Is there any past discussion about this? Maybe some summary of all the alternatives (dead or alive) to the Category system, and their state of readiness?

Thanks! --grin 12:41, 17 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment: there is a lot of information that we carry in the categories that is not, and in many case cannot currently be, modeled in the structured data. For example, if we have a poster for a concert where a particular band is on the bill, it certainly belongs in the category for the band, but as far as I know there is no correct way to reflect that in the structured data system. Also, far more files are well-categorized in terms of what they represent but have little or no content-related structured data. And from what I've seen of the structured data people have added to some of my photos, nearly half of the "depicts" are wrong or trivial (e.g. who really cares that a picture "depicts" a stop sign when mainly it depicts a building, which is not listed in the "depicts"). - Jmabel ! talk 15:48, 17 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Ha! 2 days after I wrote that, someone did exactly that: File:Carbonado fire station 01.jpg. - Jmabel ! talk 16:35, 19 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Structured data was made to replace categories in the long term, but there is no plan yet. I think the transition could last one decade. You asked for searching. The new search tool was made to be used like Google: Just type in what you are searching for without any special syntax. If you want exact results you need to use the old search engine or the query service. I invest much more time in the structured data statements for my files then for the categories and I see that some other users do the same. --GPSLeo (talk) 16:21, 17 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Is there any way to limit a search by file license?[edit]

I'm looking for a wide variety of SVG icons, but for re-use reasons I need them to be CC-0 or Public Domain - no license restrictions whatsoever. Is there any way to limit a search so that I only see public domain files? (And if there isn't, how can I ask for this feature?) --Robkelk (talk) 23:21, 17 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

It is possible in several ways, as the files are in (hidden) categories by licence. You could enable seeing hidden categories in your preferences, but the point is that any tool that can search for category intersections is able to find such images. Wikipedia:PetScan (Catscan) is the most well-known such tool. I've understood that also Special:Search and perhaps Special:Mediasearch can do that, with a suitable query. –LPfi (talk) 16:05, 18 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
It is broken in several ways. Commons offers a large number of licenses, but most files use one of only three licenses: cc-zeo, cc-by-sa-3.0, cc-by-sa-4.0. But then there are few files with cc-by-sa-4.0-really-obscure-language-version. It is worse with PD. a PD-older-than-110-years-sculpture-published-before-1951-in-oklahoma file may be in that very license category, or in PD-for-unknown-reasons, of in PD-oklahoma, or in PD-older-than-65-years or in PD-sculptures-in-USA, or in cc-by-sa-4.0 because the fotographer decided so. While cc-zero and most PD-... may be subcategorie of the same main-PD category, one PD-category may be missing for being the PD-published-by-employies-of-cron-depandency-of-former-duchy-of-bla and have some restriction. Maybe this would be solvable with SDC, but I am not aware of a help page or tool that would do that.
However, if you simply search for "in category cc-zero and file type svg" you will find more than 90% of the files, that match your query. --C.Suthorn (talk) 07:15, 19 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Robkelk: as you can see trying to use the category system for this doesn't work at all.
It's easier to use structured data for this. Files that have been put in the public domain by the copyright owner have the statement copyright status (P6216) set to copyrighted, dedicated to the public domain by copyright holder (Q88088423) so you can filter on that in the search. Multichill (talk) 10:38, 19 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Robkelk: This is pretty simple using Special:MediaSearch. Enter the search query and choose "No restrictions" from the "license" drop-down. I don't know what source this uses, so it may be that other techniques will find files that this doesn't. --bjh21 (talk) 11:55, 19 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you all for the help. --Robkelk (talk) 11:58, 19 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

June 19[edit]

How to identify people in an image?[edit]

Hello.
I know there is a way to identify people in an image, with a small yellow square around them and their name appearing when one overs over it. I would like do know how to do that.
Thanks in davance. Veverve (talk) 02:56, 19 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

That would be the Help:Image-Annotator. In a nutshell, use the button Add a note just underneath an image. --HyperGaruda (talk) 05:05, 19 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

No P180 property for this file in SD[edit]

SNCV route Corbion Sugny in France.jpg

I want to connect the picture to wikidata item Q95379991.Smiley.toerist (talk) 10:19, 19 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

It is already in Category:Remains of tram line 510C, so connected with Bouillon - Pussemange tram line (Q95379991) (which need label and description in more languages, now only in French and Dutch). For structured data, choose that tab on the file description page (under the Summary heading) and add a "depicts" statement (P180). –LPfi (talk) 11:00, 19 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
It is now visible in the structured data, so I added it there. There an connection via the categories, but it is preferable to also have a direct connection in SD. Search engines work better with SD.Smiley.toerist (talk) 11:47, 19 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Transformation of an image[edit]

I want to show the intermediate steps made in transforming an original image to a better derivative copy. See File:John_Howard_Lindauer_1983_(upscaled_whitebackground_enhanced).jpg#Transformation. Is there a standard way of showing the transformation? Is keeping the key intermediate steps wrong? RAN (talk) 18:24, 19 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

It's not wrong, just needlessly detailed bordering on pedantry IMHO. We have {{Retouched picture}} and {{Other versions}}, etc. Since the version is highly retouched (by man and machine) from the original, {{Retouched picture}} should definitely be added to the final transformed image. --Animalparty (talk) 19:19, 19 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

June 21[edit]

Desktop Improvements update[edit]

Making this the new default

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June 22[edit]

Putting a CC 1.0 license automatically for North Macedonian official images[edit]

Hello.
I am trying to upload two albums from Flickr (this one and this one), using Commons:Flickr2Commons. I made a test by only uploading File:Премиерот Ковачевски во дводневна посета во Рим и Ватикан -23.05.2022- (52092992938).jpg.
However, I have an alert message at the licensing part, due to the image being under CC 1.0. What should I do to have Flickr2Commons add a {{cc-zero}} into the licensing section of all the images I want to upload from this user which are under CC 1.0?
The image belongs to Category:Files from the Government of the Republic of Northern Macedonia Flickr stream, which has no problem with the CC 1.0. Veverve (talk) 07:04, 22 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, from their "About us" section, "Published photos/videos are available under the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 4.0 International license." I think there might be a way to change all the licenses at the upload stage with Flikr2Commons, but if not, archive the "About us" section on the Wayback machine, and get someone with the ability to write a script or program AWB and swap out all the tags automatically in a few minutes. Alternatively you just upload them all and spend a couple of hours copy/pasting the appropriate tags. ~ R.T.G 09:36, 22 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@RTG: thanks for your input!
  • The individual pictures are given as being under CC 1.0 (e.g., this one); and all pictures on WCommons imported from this Flickr account are marked as such in Category:Files from the Government of the Republic of Northern Macedonia Flickr stream. So, which statement of license has priority, CC 1.0 or 4.0?
  • Who do you think I should contact to make a script? Apparently, Flickr2Commons is very easy to use; and for what I want to do it does the job very well, except the part with the licensing problem. So, I would prefer not to have to try other Flickr import scripts.
@Magnus Manske: sorry to bother you. Since you are the script's screator, could you tell us if there is a way to accomplish what I want? Veverve (talk) 09:59, 22 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Veverve: We know of eight different "CC 1.0" licenses per COM:L#Well-known licenses (the unnumbered ones start at 1.0), please be more specific.   — Jeff G. please ping or talk to me 11:19, 22 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
It's not "cc1.0", it's "cc0 1.0" (or PD1 or something like that). I have come across this before and if the uploader is active, they generally change the licenses for me, if it is their own work. Send them an email on Flickr and explain that you are trying to upload to Commons for Wikipedia, that cc0 is not sufficient, that you need cc1 or better. I think they have a way of changing the licenses as a batch, I'm not sure how that works though. ~ R.T.G 11:28, 22 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
If you are only trying to upload a small portion of the streams images, use the Commons uploader. It can handle a few hundred images and you can copy paste the relevant license. Bit of work in that if there is hundreds of images but if there is only a few dozen it might be feasible. ~ R.T.G 11:34, 22 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@RTG: The uploader is active... but the uploader is also the official Flickr of the state of North Macedonia, so I do not have much hope for an answer or that the team behind the account will go throught the administrative red tape to change the license of their 30 000 images.
I am trying to upload around 100 images, so doing i manually is not something I will do.
All images within Category:Files from the Government of the Republic of Northern Macedonia Flickr stream are marked on WCommons as either under the {{cc-zero}} or CC 4.0 license, and are from the same uploader. @Alex Cohn: even reviewed this image and marked it as being under CC 4.0 (despite the page of the image stating it is under PD). So, are the licenses used and their inconsistency really a problem? Veverve (talk) 12:15, 22 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Why not just using the {{PDMark-owner}}? This is used for many organizations for some reason publishing their photos with PDMark instead of CC-Zero. In 2020 we decided to accept this. --GPSLeo (talk) 12:26, 22 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@GPSLeo: The issue is manually adding the license for hundreds of photos. Copy/pasting for an hour can be a daunting task I guess. @Veverve: Their "About us" says cc-by-4, but they have selected public domain tags consistently. The confusion with the Flickr PD tags is: one is for the author, and one is for someone who promises it is public domain. Macedonia government are either releasing to the PD, or they know for sure these images are PD, otherwise they are liable for any sales lost, not to mention the cost of deciding in court how much that liability should cost. If these 33,000 images are in copyright, that is a LOT of mistakes on their part. So it is public domain (for those marked as PD identified), under the direction of a government body. ~ R.T.G 13:22, 22 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I think with VFC this would not be much work. The different license in the description is an other problem. For videos from YouTube we always use the license written in the description or the video itself if these license differs to the selected one. --GPSLeo (talk) 13:33, 22 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I'm a bit difficult to follow there. They've used this public domain tag up to 33,000 times as a recognised government body. Government bodies are authorities on legal matters. They do have the authority and responsibility to license these images to the best of their ability. If the authors are not working on the governments/publishers behalf, that is 33,000 accidents. They'd have had a few complaints by now. It is definitely right to use PD on the ones published with a PD tag on Flickr in this circumstance. ~ R.T.G 13:42, 22 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Jeff G.: by chance, do you have a solution to how I could add {{cc-zero}} top those one hundred images? Maybe you know someone able to make a script? Veverve (talk) 02:59, 26 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  • @Veverve: I'm not sure I follow all of the above (including how you are confident that change would be correct), but assuming there is a sane way to find them either via a category or a search, it should be easy enough to make the change with VFC. - Jmabel ! talk 03:26, 26 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    @Jmabel: thanks! I will try it whenever I can.
    including how you are confident that change would be correct: I do not see how it would not be correct, or how all all the pictures uploaded on WCommons from this account for years would have the wrong license. Veverve (talk) 04:07, 26 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Veverve: Exactly what makes those 100 file description pages unique?   — Jeff G. please ping or talk to me 11:02, 26 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Jeff G.: the fact I get an alert message at the licensing part, due to the image being under CC 1.0, i.e., I get this error: Template:Flickr-public domain mark. Therefore, I must manually add a {{cc-zero}} as a license for each image. Veverve (talk) 11:07, 26 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Veverve: Sorry, I was not precise enough. How exactly may we find them?   — Jeff G. please ping or talk to me 12:11, 26 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Jeff G.: I have put the URLs to the albums in my first message: this one and this one. Veverve (talk) 12:33, 26 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Template:Pin VFC won't work from a list of URLs. We need a search that will find these, or who uploaded them in some particular time frame, etc. It's OK if the search includes some other files, but inconvenient if it includes (say) thousands of other files. - Jmabel ! talk 15:45, 26 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Photo inherited from photographer - required information?[edit]

I had a photo deleted [1], I believe because I did not supply some essential information. I inherited the photo from my father, so I believe that I do have the right to put it into the public domain, but I could use some guidance on getting it right this time. Specifically-

  1. Does the fact that I am licensing an inherited work affect which licence I should use?
  2. How do I ensure that all the required information is present so that this doesn't happen again?
  3. Is it possible to edit the information after uploading a file?

I am almost a first-time user, so please forgive any inadvertent breaches of protocol. — Preceding unsigned comment added by SternaElegans (talk • contribs) 16:16, 22 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  • @SternaElegans: You never answered the question you were asked at Commons:Deletion requests/File:Joan Payzant.jpg, so after a few weeks the deletion went ahead as unchallenged. You can still presumably get it undeleted by addressing the issue, but at this point it needs to go through Commons:Undeletion requests. - Jmabel ! talk 18:00, 22 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Thanks for this - yes, I missed the question because I had forgotten to update my user profile following a change to my email address, and only was made aware of the deletion by a friend, much later. I'll contact Undeletion requests and see what happens. SternaElegans (talk) 21:48, 22 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
ad 2: there is {{PD-heirs}} for example. Best wishes, --Mateus2019 (talk) 20:12, 22 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Mateus2019: the image was licensed with {{Cc-by-sa-3.0-heirs}}, which seems appropriate. - Jmabel ! talk 20:39, 22 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
"Who is the photographer? When he died?" was asked at deletion request - which precision is needed for "When he died?"? Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 21:26, 22 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Mateusz Konieczny: As much precision as is available. But that's not the point. The point is that if your picture is nominated for deletion as a possible copyvio, and you don't respond at all, it will probably be deleted. - Jmabel ! talk 21:30, 22 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Old, vintage, historical, or what?...[edit]

Hello!

For a Frenchy like me it's some times hard to find the right Commons' english denominations. That's for all vehicles (land, air, water) I can find in 'uncated'.

How may I be sure it's an historical truck, a vintage automobile or just an old bike??? Before 1900? Before WWI? WWII? B&W pics? Before Diesel? Before Hybrid? After this world? Question of dates of production? If they are still made? If they are so rares?

Please, let me know? Thanks. lol LW² \m/ (Lie ² me...) 22:53, 22 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

None of those terms should be used in categories on Commons - they're fundamentally subjective, and what things qualify will change as time passes. Categories should be precise and stable: 20th-century trucks, 1930s automobiles, etc. Pi.1415926535 (talk) 23:19, 22 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Completely agree with Pi.1415926535. This isn't a foreign vs. native-speaker issue, it's a fuzzy vs. clear thinking issue. These are poorly named categories. - Jmabel ! talk 00:03, 23 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Llann Wé²: Before cars were called "diesel" and "hybrid", they had another name, like "steam locomotive". ~ R.T.G 10:45, 26 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

June 23[edit]

Copyright question[edit]

If a record is public domain and someone digitizes the record and releases the digitized verzion for download without a specified license, is it public domain? – Ilovemydoodle (talk) 17:38, 23 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Ilovemydoodle: Hard to answer that with full generality.
  • "Record" is so ambiguous: "sound recording"? "statement of a fact"? "transcription of a proceeding"? etc.
  • "Digitizing" also covers a lot of ground: e.g. remastering a sound recording can involve copyrightable creative choices.
So it would help a lot if you asked a more specific question. - Jmabel ! talk 17:47, 23 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Jmabel: "Record" meaning vinyl record. "Digitized version" meaning a sound recording of said vinyl record in a digital format. – Ilovemydoodle (talk) 17:57, 23 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Ilovemydoodle: If the original recording was, indeed, public domain (determining that can be a very tricky problem for sound recordings) and there was no significant creativity involved in the digitizing, then the digitized version should still be public domain. - Jmabel ! talk 18:09, 23 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Copyright question 2[edit]

@Jmabel: What is the copyright status of something recorded in 1926? – Ilovemydoodle (talk) 19:25, 23 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Maquettes[edit]

Jack Dempsey and Alonzo Victor Lewis, Seattle, ca 1923 (MOHAI 3174).jpg

We don't seem to have a Category:Maquettes. Do we have an equivalent under another name? I'd want to put it on the image shown here. Maybe Category:Models of sculptures? But I want something specific to a small preparatory sculpture, the equivalent of a sketch. - Jmabel ! talk 20:39, 23 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

So create the category yourself. DS (talk) 00:38, 24 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@DragonflySixtyseven: in my experience, often there is an oddly-named category that I turn out not to have known about. This is one where I could imagine a lot of possible names. I don't want to create an effective duplicate. Of course, if no one comes up with something, that is exactly what I'll do. - Jmabel ! talk 02:02, 24 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Jmabel: Category:Models of sculptures should do. Alternatively, Category:Maquettes could be between (Category:Sculptures and Category:Models by subject) and Category:The Kelpies maquettes‎   — Jeff G. please ping or talk to me 03:05, 24 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Maquettes are not, strictly speaking, models of sculptures; they are proposals for sculptures which may or may not be made. A distinct category would be sensible. (Be aware that "maquette" is also the French word for scale model, and we have many files which use the word in that context.) Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 18:02, 24 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Maquettes is also the Dutch word for Category:Architectural models or Category:Scale models. See e.g. this file. --- Vysotsky (talk) 21:52, 24 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
It can mean that in English, too (and we all borrowed it from the French). @Vysotsky: in Dutch, does it (as in English) have the connotation of being a model of something you propose to build/make rather than a model of something that already exists? - Jmabel ! talk 00:26, 25 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Yes it does - as in this file (1981) - the Stopera (1986) wasn't built yet. Vysotsky (talk) 07:56, 25 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not so sure about maquette being exclusively used for building proposals. I would also use it for architectural scale models of buildings that already exist. Our national dictionary maintains a fairly generic definition: scale model of a building, neighbourhood etc. --HyperGaruda (talk) 06:40, 26 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Jmabel: According to the Tate (the most prominent British gallery group), and every dictionary I tried, "maquette" is proper English. This is not unusual. English is not Anglo Saxon. It is a mixture of Anglo Saxon, French, Celtic, Gaelic, Italian and Latin, some German and Spanish, and a basket load of words from every culture that was once connected to or closely allied with the British Empire. Hindu. Hebrew. I suppose whatever the Norse spoke would have to be a main part of it too. (Norse Code maybe?) The closest words in English might be "figurine" and "statuette", but those are simply scale models. Multiple searches returned no synonyms for "maquette", but many uses and definition in English. Ignore the spell checker in a circumstance like this. Create the category. Make it clear why not to confuse the word with figurines or statuettes. ~ R.T.G 10:40, 26 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Of course it is proper English. Did I ever suggest it wasn't? - Jmabel ! talk 15:47, 26 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Ah okay, well I meant the proper English term as well as simply acceptable. And if you are going to include both sculptures and architecture, it would be a good idea to separate them. ~ R.T.G 21:18, 26 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I tried to start you off by adding Category:Art and design, but I am shocked that category does not exist yet either! ~ R.T.G 21:20, 26 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

June 24[edit]

Commons Archive[edit]

Hi, Does anyone know why I can't upload CR2 files to Commons Archive? It used to be possible, but now I get the message IMG_9732.CR2 [9529eda1381cd250ac6b2183] Exception caught: No specifications provided to ArchivedFile constructor. Thanks, Yann (talk) 13:12, 24 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Yann: You might want to ask at the community portal there or file a phabricator task.   — Jeff G. please ping or talk to me 14:11, 24 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
That project seems to be stalled, but good suggestion: phab:T280807. Yann (talk) 15:51, 24 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Spectrum[edit]

Being new to the commenting on Wikipedia pages, have noticed incorrect dates for example the Zx Spectrum computer, I while not long out of high-school sold one at Morphetville and know often the dates fort information such as these are way off. Possibly reversed order and even incorrect crediting. 203.213.31.89 18:44, 18 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Do you know of a resource for the production history that could be linked from the root cat for the computer model line? Arlo James Barnes 15:06, 24 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
There is a vast range of resources for Sinclair Research and Amstrad history. Which dates are incorrect? ~ R.T.G 10:30, 26 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

June 25[edit]

Questionable & useless[edit]

What do we do with photos that have a questionable legal status AND have become useless because the article they were meant for has been speedy deleted as promotional spam?

It's about the photos by this user. Some of them have already been nominated for deletion because it seems those were pretty clear cases of copyvio: derivative work from newspaper clippings. Many of the others show not only the person the article was meant for but also other people, so personality rights might be involved. Mostly well-known people, so photos might be o.k. for some of them, but I assume we'd have to check each individual one.

The permission status of these images is also doubtful imho. The uploader has been adressed on her German WP page if she actually took all those pictures herself but hasn't replied. Especially this one looks like a professional promo photo to me, taken by a professional photographer, not a snapshot a colleague might happen to take.

So, what do we do with that? Just leave it all as is and let the images sink into oblivion? Or go through the hassle of checking each individual photo for its legal status? Or just batch delete all of them, since they no longer serve any useful purpose anyway? --217.239.5.220 10:13, 25 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

See Commons:Deletion requests/Files uploaded by Kkuschel. Yann (talk) 13:33, 25 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

June 26[edit]

Is re-licensing own work possible?[edit]

Is such a change allowed? Veverve (talk) 02:56, 26 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, also as the user changed the license to less restrictive (cc-by-sa-4.0 -> cc0) there should be no problem with it in any case. --Zache (talk) 03:00, 26 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Once an item is deliberately released as PD, if it is still within copyright and the author changes their mind, most jurisdictions will uphold attribution, and sometimes protect the author if the work is being used as an attack on them. How would you explain it... if I release my work to the public domain, and you claim it is your work, I can prevent that by demanding attribution. But I cannot prevent its use or demand a fee on sales, because I released it with a contract of free use to the general public. So the reality is, unrestricted commercial attribution and public domain are basically the same thing. Attribution in the license is as much a warning to the end user as a gift to the author. Correct me of course if I'm wrong. And I've read somewhere that some jurisdictions will prevent a work being used to humiliate the author, but I am fuzzy on the details of that. ~ R.T.G 10:27, 26 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Annotation bug ?[edit]

Would anybody have an idea why I can't add an annotation on this image? Thanks, — Racconish💬 10:10, 26 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  • There has been an ongoing bug like that on a lot of images. I've encountered it repeatedly. - Jmabel ! talk 15:49, 26 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    • On my iPad I have the option to add an annotation, but there I cannot do it. When using the desktop computer I don't get the option. Wouter (talk) 19:48, 26 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

June 27[edit]