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Oldies[edit]

Mass-rename tool issues[edit]

Is anyone else having problems using User:Legoktm's massrename.js tool? I'm trying to rename all 91 files in a category and it does a few then stops. If I start it again, in a new tab or even after restarting my browser (Firefox 50), it does nothing. I managed to get it going again after restarting my machine (Window 10), but this time it made eight changes then stopped again. Andy Mabbett (talk) 18:40, 7 January 2017 (UTC)

While I remember that massrename worked very well a few years ago I sadly couldn't get it to rename even a single file when I tried to use it at several occasions in the past months. A fix would be very much appreciated.    FDMS  4    19:51, 7 January 2017 (UTC)
If I remember well, I used this script few months ago to rename several tens of images in one category, and it worked well. Last night I tested it, two times: by one time on one image in one category:) and it worked, but this may be not enough to detect bugs, errors. Maybe there are some specific cases when the script does not work (e.g. long/complex file titles or category name, large categories, etc.)?
Anyway, there are some alternatives (generic scripts for all type of wiki pages):
  • en:User:Plastikspork/massmove.js - which is useful when is necessary only to add/remove some prefix to titles. (His version is available only for admins, here is one enabled for almost all user).
  • User:XXN/massrename.js - this works with two parallel pair lists of page titles (sources & targets).
These scripts probably are not so comfortable as Legoktm's script; they need to provide directly the list of page titles to work on (one can achieve these lists either with AWB, CatScan, DB query, or directly via API and then processing it with a text editor). --XXN, 14:52, 8 January 2017 (UTC)
@Pigsonthewing, XXN, FDMS: I've rewritten the tool a bit, the version from Legoktm has now also RegExp support (and using Commons libs) User:Perhelion/massrename.js. Be aware it is beta, so test it before. Cheers User: Perhelion 15:32, 10 January 2017 (UTC)

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Screenshot made on 2017-01-10 15.45.13 of errors generated by User:Perhelion/massrename.js.
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@Perhelion: Thank you. I've just tried that. After making just two changes, it threw the errors in the above screenshot. See also Ajax error reports. Andy Mabbett (talk) 16:09, 10 January 2017 (UTC)

@Pigsonthewing, Hedwig in Washington: Ok, next round for test, I've updated, thanks for the report. User: Perhelion 01:24, 11 January 2017 (UTC)
No change. Doesn't move one single file, that stinker. No error msg, tho. Tried Chrome and Firefox, both latest stable version. Here's a screenshot of the new input box using regex. --Hedwig in Washington (mail?) 03:26, 11 January 2017 (UTC)
Screenshot of input box generated by User:Perhelion/massrename.js.
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@Perhelion: The script is not even loading for me, now. Andy Mabbett (talk) 16:24, 17 January 2017 (UTC)
Hej, yes, sorry, I'm working on a better version this days. User: Perhelion 19:49, 17 January 2017 (UTC)
@Pigsonthewing, Hedwig in Washington, XXN, FDMS4: Check it out now. Every hint is welcome. User: Perhelion 14:50, 22 January 2017 (UTC)
@Perhelion: Thank you for the update! Just tried it; the script moved the file to the name of the category instead of the entered new name and also somehow mixed up the previous name with the entered reason.    FDMS  4    21:12, 22 January 2017 (UTC)
@FDMS4: Oh* strange, I think I fixed this. Test carefully, I also saw this sometimes on reusing the input fields with new text are ignored (and the old ones used, but maybe this is a wider problem). :-O User: Perhelion 21:37, 22 January 2017 (UTC)

January 08[edit]

Structured data on Commons Funding[edit]

Hi all, the WMF and WMDE just announced funding for work on Structured data on Commons via a grant from the en:Sloan Foundation. You can find the announcement at the Wikimedia blog. More information about the grant is at Commons:Structured data/Sloan Grant. If you have questions, please join us at the Structured Data on Commons talk page, Astinson (WMF) (talk) 20:24, 9 January 2017 (UTC)

A $3 million grant to be spent on Commons is impressive. I look forward to seeing it making real differences for this project. It'll be interesting to see how this is going to be measured and reported on. BTW, this means that proportionately $190,000 should be spent on files I've uploaded. :-) -- (talk) 20:33, 9 January 2017 (UTC)
This is indeed good news. Structured data is a huge chance for Commons if it is implemented the right way. Sebari – aka Srittau (talk) 20:44, 9 January 2017 (UTC)
Yes!! Or better: WOW!!! Seems we are doing something right! , you have to subtract the deleted files and you get paid in shells only :-P! Thanks dear Sloan-Foundation! Thank you very much! Here's a link to the page on the Sloan website: [1] --Hedwig in Washington (mail?) 20:59, 9 January 2017 (UTC)
Well... If this Wikidata Commons will be developed with people not familiar with commons (which is likely...) then i am highly concerned about the outcome... There is absolutely a team of experienced commons people needed which is supervising the project and which can be contacted for questions. --Steinsplitter (talk) 09:53, 15 January 2017 (UTC)
@Steinsplitter: The grant allows us to hire two community-focused roles, whose jobs are to communicate with and help facilitate feedback from the Commons community and its broader contributor/reusers base within the Wikimedia Community (GLAMs, WLM, other Wikimedia contributors who rely on Commons for hosting free media). We also plan to spend time and resources researching different existing Commons workflows. We will definitely be soliciting feedback and conversations about community needs on a regular basis, and if you would like to be involved, make sure you are watching Commons talk:Structured data and, I see that you are already on the newsletter distribution list. Looking forward to continuing to work with you, Astinson (WMF) (talk) 15:36, 16 January 2017 (UTC)
i nominate user:Jane023 and user:Multichill. i.e. this has some expert commons help. (but then you have your names) go stroopwafels. Slowking4 § Richard Arthur Norton's revenge 22:33, 17 January 2017 (UTC)

Template:Move cat usage etc.[edit]

Template:Move cat doesn't document usage of its parameters. User talk:CommonsDelinker/commands shows at least 2 different usage examples:

  1. {{move cat|Nice, Palais de Nice|Palais de Nice|The first word "Nice" is unnecessary. ~~~~}}
  2. {{move cat|Old cat name|New cat name|3=Explanation|user=Your username}}

The 1st one results in a warning ("Username of requester missing (user parameter)"), and the 2nd one doesn't display the username (at least for me). Perhaps, something should be fixed. --Djadjko (talk) 23:47, 9 January 2017 (UTC)

  • Yes, that is poorly documented in the template. Beyond the first two parameters (Old cat name, New cat name) I would strongly recommend explicit user=, reason= rather than anything positional. It is documented better at User:CommonsDelinker/commands/front. - Jmabel ! talk 00:49, 10 January 2017 (UTC)
  • I've now done a minimal clarification at Template:Move cat/doc, which is transcluded into Template:Move cat. If you have further improvements to suggest, feel free to state them here. - Jmabel ! talk 00:55, 10 January 2017 (UTC)
Fiddled around with the doc. One can now copy the template a little easier. Double click on entry (i.e. reason) highlights the text, just write over and done. Saves some time and reduces errors while changing the default to whatever you want. --Hedwig in Washington 18:50, 10 January 2017 (UTC)
@Hedwig in Washington: if I understand it correctly, it wants just a plain username, not a formatted signature provided by four tildes... (Is there a shorcut for users to insert their plain username?) --Djadjko (talk) 01:01, 16 January 2017 (UTC)
What's wrong with using the shortcuts (signature)? You can double click the tildes and type your username by hand if you like, it's just more work. ;-)--Hedwig in Washington (mail?) 02:38, 16 January 2017 (UTC)
Just from a technical viewpoint, you need to use correct shortcuts. I don't know how the "user" parameter is used afterwards; if just a plain username (e. g., "User123") wanted, then something actually produced by 4 tildes (e. g., "[[User:User123|User123]] ([[User talk:User123|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 12:34, 12 January 2017 (UTC)") could simply not work correctly. --Djadjko (talk) 02:59, 16 January 2017 (UTC)

January 11[edit]

.xls files from Wikipedia moved to Wikimedia Commons[edit]

Hello. I have a problem about the following files:

These files are licensed by free copyright, but they uses .xls filetype. Now the rule of Wikimedia projects cannot allow .xls to upload or transfer. I have a question: can we transfer these files to Wikimedia Commons, keep these files in Wikipedia, or delete immediately? Thanks! This is Taiwania Justo speaking (Reception Room) 07:19, 11 January 2017 (UTC)

I looked onto zh:File:Yearpage01.xls and it looks like year page template. Why it's needed at all? Why such template could not be made in wiki-text or Lua? --EugeneZelenko (talk) 15:26, 11 January 2017 (UTC)
We certainly cannot transfer them to Commons. I don't know whether the policies of the various Wikipedias involved may allow these on those particular Wikipedias, but clearly they have not technically disallowed them. Issues of what to do with them on the particular Wikipedias need to be taken up on particular Wikipedias. - Jmabel ! talk 15:48, 11 January 2017 (UTC)

Traditionally (as has been discussed in the archives of Commons talk:File types and elsewhere), Commons has been for media in a fixed visual, audio, or audio-visual form, and not really for abstract data which can be validly rendered in many different ways. That's why spreadsheet files and word processor files were not allowed to be uploaded. Of course .xls is also a non-free file format... AnonMoos (talk) 16:20, 11 January 2017 (UTC)

So, in WMF's policy, the non-free filetype should be extincted? This is Taiwania Justo speaking (Reception Room) 01:49, 12 January 2017 (UTC)
It's very old files and not sure that it's still be used. Maybe it's not be allowed to upload on Commons, but it's also not sure that it can be stored on anywhere, whether Commons not local wiki. --Cwek (talk) 03:12, 12 January 2017 (UTC)

Something tells me the recent addition of tabular data may be the solution. Pinging @Yurik: --Zhuyifei1999 (talk) 05:15, 12 January 2017 (UTC)

Zhuyifei1999, thanks, I would suggest to look at the work @TheDJ: did at the hackathon - he created an importer/exporter from .csv and .xls files into a dataset as a gadget. --Yurik (talk) 17:58, 12 January 2017 (UTC)

The flow of event means the probable creator of that file needs to speak up... What does the importer/exporter work at on excel files so their licences change from copyright to some more free forms of licences. Regarding the question by Taiwania Justo, has a kind of consensus already reached for this issue? Stretching the reply by Cwek, my question as a reply is how dataset, that used to be represented in .xls or excel files, is uploaded onto Wikimania Foundation sites? Stretching this whole issue further, attending wikimania gives the attendants insiders information that can be handy -- there is a benefit of attending Wikimania. Is that hackathon mentioned above by Yurik presented at Wikimania? :) -- Ktsquare (talk) 06:47, 13 January 2017 (UTC)

you mean the creator from 13 years ago? User:Shizhao. i'm sure they are happy where they are- they have the "do not transfer tag" for a reason. why don't you just save as csv file and upload? Slowking4 § Richard Arthur Norton's revenge 21:10, 13 January 2017 (UTC)
What do you mean when you say they are happy where they are. Without asking at least User:Shizhao, how do you know if they are happy where they are. The discussions on this thread is talking albeit good ideas. Do you talkers and users who chipped in ideas want truth or talking? -- Ktsquare (talk) 09:06, 14 January 2017 (UTC)
That is what you see in history. I did contribute to that project of doing articles on years, decades and that user was also a contributor 13 years ago. Which I think it was unfair to me because somehow history of contribution is lost in the works. Off the top of my head, at least I looked at the content of that .xls file -- Ktsquare (talk) 09:02, 14 January 2017 (UTC)

Well, I think a proper way to deal with those .xls files is to convert them into other formats. Like PDF or .ods. --TechyanTalk) 06:16, 14 January 2017 (UTC)

New Excel and CSV import and export userscript[edit]

Hi all, This week I created a script that makes it very simple to import or export a CSV or Excel file into a tabular data set. When enabled it presents two export buttons at the bottom of a page like Data:Sandbox/Yurik.tab and adds a "File selector" on it's edit page. I encourage you all to try it out and maybe we can turn it into a Gadget. For something purely javascript, it's working surprisingly well and it takes care of most of the data that I have been able to throw at it. If you have a file or dataset that is problematic, do let me know on my talk page and when I get around to it (and you are welcome to further evolve the script if you want to). —TheDJ (talkcontribs) 00:16, 15 January 2017 (UTC)

  • @TheDJ: Using externally hosted javascript (eg. cloudflare) is usually frowned upon due to a potential to leak IP addresses to a third party without user's consent. Would you mind using toollabs:cdnjs instead? For labs we have a few tickets addressing this, but I'm pretty sure the same applies to gadgets as well. --Zhuyifei1999 (talk) 06:19, 15 January 2017 (UTC)
  • @TheDJ: But still a question, some files have the marco. this factor should be solved. This is Taiwania Justo speaking (Reception Room) 13:42, 17 January 2017 (UTC)

January 12[edit]

Translation administrators gaining noratelimit permission[edit]

Translation administrators who are not also administrators have reported hitting the rate limit when moving pages as part of the translation system. It is proposed to add the noratelimit flag to the translation administrator user group. Comments concerning this change are invited. Nick (talk) 17:00, 12 January 2017 (UTC)

  • +1 makes sense, there are thousands of pages to maintain here. Nemo 17:06, 12 January 2017 (UTC)
maybe you need to rethink the rate limit. Slowking4 § Richard Arthur Norton's revenge 17:55, 12 January 2017 (UTC)
  • Symbol support vote.svg Support I didn't know that there is such a problem… --jdx Re: 09:27, 16 January 2017 (UTC)

Template:Suppression image[edit]

Could a French-speaking experienced user take a look at {{Suppression image}}? It looks fishy. -- Tuválkin Tuvalkin 06:09, 14 January 2017 (UTC)

  • Well, the English that is there now is an accurate, if grammatically challenged, version of the French that was originally there. The content seems kind of useless, although the template is transcluded into a lot of pages. It looks like a bad version of {{superseded}} that fails to indicate what is the superseding image. - Jmabel ! talk 16:22, 14 January 2017 (UTC)
redir to {{tl|superseded}? --Hedwig in Washington (mail?) 07:17, 15 January 2017 (UTC)
  • I'd have no problem with that, but lacking the parameters that say what superseded it, the places where it is already used are of limited value at best. I think a first step is to add a maintenance category to all of these indicating that we'd like an argument added to indicate what they were superseded by, then we can do the redirect. - Jmabel ! talk 17:18, 15 January 2017 (UTC)
  • I come across this template when commenting in an “intricate” DR, where it was added to images someone wants deleted — as if it were a synonym of {{delete}}. This use of this or other such template that lacks indication of which is the better image that replaces the one tagged could be safely undone and ignored, in my opinion. -- Tuválkin 13:19, 20 January 2017 (UTC)
Cleaned up by hand, template deleted. No need for a redir. --Hedwig in Washington (mail?) 06:02, 22 January 2017 (UTC)
Checkmark This section is resolved and can be archived. If you disagree, replace this template with your comment. --Hedwig in Washington (mail?) 06:02, 22 January 2017 (UTC)

Barbie dolls[edit]

Hello.It's a good suggestion that we add these files:

  1. Commons:Deletion requests/Files in Category:Barbie dolls
  2. File:Mother doll 1.jpg and File:Mother doll 2.jpg
  3. these deletion requests

to Category:Undelete in 2030 (1959+71).is not it?Thank you --ديفيد عادل وهبة خليل 2 (talk) 07:51, 14 January 2017 (UTC)

Why 1959 + 71? The American Barbies will run through 1959 + 95 at least, and the copyrights on anything but the earliest will be arguably longer.--Prosfilaes (talk) 20:31, 15 January 2017 (UTC)
@Prosfilaes:Depending on this, when can they undeleted?in 2054?Thank you --ديفيد عادل وهبة خليل 2 (talk) 06:58, 17 January 2017 (UTC)

Potrace at wmflabs[edit]

Hi guys, I just forked javascript potrace (tool for tracing a bitmap) and put it on wmflabs for anyone to use. This was inspired by the amount of commons images marked with SVG template.

I am thinking I might try to extend/improve the code of the tool but I would like to hear from you if the community is interested in such a thing at all. I dont want to spend time on it if you think that the preferable way for people to vectorize images will be using other tools that are already available, such as inkscape etc.

To summarise, do you think it is worth developing the tool? --Wesalius (talk) 10:45, 14 January 2017 (UTC)

Cool. It looks like a client-only javascript, right? Why not host it here as a userscript or a gadget? --Zhuyifei1999 (talk) 12:57, 14 January 2017 (UTC)
It looks like it has the potential of being very useful, but since the output is only black and white, its current usefulness is probably very niche. If it could accurately handle colours, I'd probably be using it all the time for astronomical graphics. Huntster (t @ c) 08:04, 15 January 2017 (UTC)
I just checked and there is no easy solution to tracing coloured images with potrace right now, BUT I found this https://github.com/migvel/color_trace I will try it out and if it yields good results, all that needs to be done is to put it on toollabs and write the frontend for input. --Wesalius (talk) 09:46, 20 January 2017 (UTC)

Wikidata Commons[edit]

FYI: Wikimedia Foundation receives $3 million grant from Alfred P. Sloan Foundation to make freely licensed images accessible and reusable across the web. --Steinsplitter (talk) 12:06, 14 January 2017 (UTC)

It has been posted here. With only 3 comments :-/ . If implemented right this will be an amazing change! Amada44  talk to me 13:00, 14 January 2017 (UTC)
yes, i hear user:Astinson (WMF) is organizing. (see above Commons:Village_pump#Structured_data_on_Commons_Funding) i'm sure there will be plenty of cleanup after their bots run. in the meantime, check out User:Multichill/Same image without Wikidata or User talk:Multichill/Same image without Wikidata. Slowking4 § Richard Arthur Norton's revenge 22:27, 17 January 2017 (UTC)
I think the grant will be a good thing if done right, unfortunately I have not been impressed by the WMF's usage of previous grants on the purposes they were intended for. Astinson is a good guy though so my hope is he will be able to keep it straight with the WMF. Reguyla (talk) 01:06, 20 January 2017 (UTC)
well, they have not shared the grant app and plan, so wait and see. but i heard that it included input from wikidata folks, and had slots for 2 fellows, which is a hopeful sign. Slowking4 § Richard Arthur Norton's revenge 03:29, 23 January 2017 (UTC)

January 15[edit]

Licensing issues[edit]

I would like to know if a source can design its own license other than Creative Commons or other free ones. Can we use its contents in commons? If the answer's yes, what terms should it include enabling us use the picture in Commons. Thanks. --Mhhossein talk 15:55, 15 January 2017 (UTC)

Different versions of an image[edit]

If a source uses Creative Commons phrase, e.g. "all Content by this web page is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution 4.0 International License," beneath its pages, does it affect the original versions of those images? I mean, if a file is licensed under CC, does the free license include higher resolution versions which are not available on that website? --Mhhossein talk 17:07, 15 January 2017 (UTC)

  • This has been argued several times. There is a decent case to be made on both sides. My own view is that it does not. The reductio ad absurdum of this is to imagine a reduction of a work of art to, say, 4x4 pixels that accurately reflect the average color of each of its 16 similarly mapped areas. Certainly no one would say that if an artist released rights to such a 4x4 color field based on one of his or her paintings, then the painting was automatically similarly released. - Jmabel ! talk 17:25, 15 January 2017 (UTC)
Thank you Jmabel. Do you mean that there's no consensus on that? How does Wikimedia Commons treat this issue? --Mhhossein talk 18:07, 15 January 2017 (UTC)
  • Speaking only for myself, and with the caveat that I am not a lawyer. I would say that there is no solid consensus here for what the rules should be, but that there is certainly no solid consensus that anyone is on good legal ground to upload the higher-res image, and that if you did so and were sued, you would have no reasonable expectation that WMF would give you any support, so I personally would recommend strongly against doing such a thing. - Jmabel ! talk 18:48, 15 January 2017 (UTC)
  • Pinging user:Clindberg for more discussions, of course if he feels like to. --Mhhossein talk 18:07, 15 January 2017 (UTC)
  • This depends on weather the original images are in public domain or not. If the original images had fallen into the public domain, the notice on the website with claim "all Content by this web page is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution 4.0 International License," does affect the original versions of those images regardless of the quality. If the original images are not in public domain, it's unreasonable to assume that they are in PD simply because a low resolution version were freely released under a CC license. This remind me of a controversial case involving the National Portrait Gallery and Wikimedia Foundation in 2009 in which User:Dcoetzee (banned by WMF) uploaded over 3000 high-resolution images here from the British National Portrait Gallery's database of images. Dcoetzee received a legal threat from NPG as a result. I don't know if his banned was connected to the issue. Wikicology (talk) 18:24, 15 January 2017 (UTC)
  • i doubt that was the reason. Dcoetzee took a maximalist position position with respect to PD, leading to the PD-art, which is his spirit. contrary to the caution above. i trust his actions respected the TOU here as at NPG, leading to the hot water.
  • that being said, i would upload the lower resolution. need to play nice with institutions, and show the traffic we bring to them, to change their minds about the higher resolution. long game. Slowking4 § Richard Arthur Norton's revenge 22:15, 17 January 2017 (UTC)
  • If a license is given, it is only the copyrightable expression given out there which is licensed. If another "version" of the file has additional expression, then no, that additional expression is not licensed. So if someone licenses a crop of their painting, that does not give you any rights over the rest of the painting. The difficulty comes from the nature of "expression" in photographs -- it may be that a lower resolution photo contains all of the expression present in the higher-resolution version. If that is the case, then legally all of the expression was licensed in the low-res version. I don't think there have been any legal test cases on this matter, and it could be yet another area where countries have differences. For myself, I am not at all comfortable using alternate, non-licensed versions. The nature of paintings vs photographs make them completely separate questions, and it's possible that even if normally low-res photos do have all the expression, a photo of a separately copyrightable object (like a sculpture) may be different again -- a sculptor's permission on a low-res photo may well not apply to a high-res version of the photo, if that exposes more of the sculpture's expression. Carl Lindberg (talk) 21:11, 15 January 2017 (UTC)

"Women's association football players from Norway"[edit]

I was adding a person to the category Association football players from Norway and happened to notice that men are categorised underneath this category and in a category tree directly underneath this category while women have a pretty much mirrored category tree underneath this category in Category:Women's association football players from Norway and prefixed with Women's. I did a quick check underneath a couple of other countries too and the same seems to be the case there. This kind of special treatment of women seems like a really bad idea and I know we have received some flack over this before in other cases. Either get rid of the category tree prefixed Women's or put men in a similar tree. Don't treat men as the general case and women as a special case. TommyG (talk) 22:30, 15 January 2017 (UTC)

Was pointed in the direction of Commons:Categories for discussion/2017/01/Category:Association football players by country. TommyG (talk) 23:39, 15 January 2017 (UTC)

January 16[edit]

Mountain running pictogram[edit]

Hi, I can not find any suitable mountain running pictogram. Can someone make this? Thanks. Ssu (talk) 08:25, 16 January 2017 (UTC)

Hack tool to guess photographer possition[edit]

Hi, there is Jeffrey's Image Metadata Viewer (url removed), which from metada guesses photographer possition. Is here someone, who would be able create and keep tool on commons, which would ease to set categories to more images in time? Like we can work with files in PerformBatchTask by Rilke.--Juandev (talk) 10:03, 16 January 2017 (UTC)

Tech News: 2017-03[edit]

23:24, 16 January 2017 (UTC)

January 17[edit]

Inquire about "Male Lion and Cub Chitwa South Africa Luca Galuzzi 2004"[edit]

Hello.I see that File:Male Lion and Cub Chitwa South Africa Luca Galuzzi 2004 edit1.jpg is identical to File:Male Lion and Cub Chitwa South Africa Luca Galuzzi 2004.JPGIs it possible to avoid repetition?Thank you --ديفيد عادل وهبة خليل 2 (talk) 08:08, 17 January 2017 (UTC)

They're not identical. Look at the file sizes. The first one is an edit of the second one (hence the filename). According to the file description, it has had noise reduction applied to it. LX (talk, contribs) 08:13, 17 January 2017 (UTC)
Discussed on Commons:Featured picture candidates/Image:Male Lion and Cub Chitwa South Africa Luca Galuzzi 2004 edit1.jpg where it claims "noise reduced"... AnonMoos (talk) 13:07, 17 January 2017 (UTC)

URL to diff[edit]

Please can someone import the very useful en:Template:URL to diff from en.Wikipedia (or from Wikidata)? Andy Mabbett (talk) 16:16, 17 January 2017 (UTC)

You probably meant en:Template:URL to diff? Ruslik (talk) 18:22, 17 January 2017 (UTC)
Yes; fixed; thank you. Andy Mabbett (talk) 18:31, 17 January 2017 (UTC)
I copied the files and adjusted the domain for Commons. The Lua module seems to work but I'm not sure about the template. --ghouston (talk) 05:55, 19 January 2017 (UTC)

January 18[edit]

Authorship of a modified public domain file-- who gets to claim it?[edit]

Hello, Pump! I have been having a discussion with User:Kevjonesin regarding the meaning of "authorship" on a public domain image which has had annotations added to it (the image is here: File:Opened scallop shell (with arrows).png). I had a look around Commons and could find no clear guidelines with regard to a situation like this-- I am interpreting the existing policy one way, and Kev is interpreting them an entirely different way that may also be perfectly legitimate (see his talk page for our discussion). I would like to A.) invite others to have a look at the situation and help us come to an agreement on what the correct outcome is, and B.) find out where the policy information exists that would have prevented this confusion (or does it exist?). Any assistance would be appreciated! Thank you! KDS4444 (talk) 08:15, 18 January 2017 (UTC)

I suggest folks start with a comparison ...
Here is the image uploaded by YuryKirienko to File:Opened_scallop_shell.jpg:
... to be compared with an image Kevjonesin uploaded to File:Opened_scallop_shell_(with_arrows).png:
... and then, if interested in further context, explore in detail the Wikipedia talkpage thread which KDS4444 linked above.
--Kevjonesin (talk) 12:43, 18 January 2017 (UTC)
I made an attempt in the file page. Feel free to revert if you don't like it. ;) Jee 13:00, 18 January 2017 (UTC)
Which I do like! The next question is, is that the correct answer? And is there a "correct" answer? KDS4444 (talk) 06:05, 19 January 2017 (UTC)
See my comments here and the links I mentioned there. (Here the source is CC0; so credit to source is not a must. But we can prefer it; CC too prefer it even for CC0 licensed works.) Jee 06:50, 19 January 2017 (UTC)
CC0 means you don't have to name the author when reusing the image. Still, it would be decent when you do name the author. I would say by adding some arrows and some letters to an image, it does not represent change significant enough, to be able to claim new authorship. The change should represent significant artistic and creative change, not just a brief explanation added to the original image. Respect (towards others) is at the basis of freedom. Feeling free to do something, shouldn't mean you can take liberties when walking a perhaps more gray area, where things don't appear 100 percent clear at first. When in doubt, do he most respectful thing. Besides this, the quality of the changes made to the original work are not of a very good quality in my opinion. Consider using a (freeware) vector image manipulation software like Inkscape to draw arrows. It would produce much better looking arrows. Just my thoughts on this subject. --oSeveno (talk) 14:18, 19 January 2017 (UTC)
I agree -- there's no legal requirement that you mention the name of the author of a PD image that you've modified, and I don't think there's any strict Commons policy requirement to do so, but it's considered good etiquette to do this when uploading such modified PD images to Commons. AnonMoos (talk) 14:31, 19 January 2017 (UTC)

I am getting the sense through this that there is no Commons page anywhere that specifically discusses the author= parameter of the {{information}} template other than the brief discussion of authorship on the information template's documentation subpage. I am now working on drafting such a page, and it can be viewed here. I would very much like input from others on this page: please feel free to view it and modify it. I would like to have a working draft ready to go in about a week or so. KDS4444 (talk) 10:19, 21 January 2017 (UTC)

KDS4444 -- If you do a lot of work vectorizing a raster, then I think that it's accepted Commons practice that you can add your name in the Author field (such work isn't necessarily always as "mechanical" as you seem to think). For File:Gender signs.svg, I included my name alone in the Author field, since while I was inspired by File:Gender signs.png to create a loose vector equivalent, I did not directly "vectorize" it at all in the sense of raster tracing -- rather I eyeballed the PNG when typing circle and line instructions directly into my text editor, and at the same time also applied certain corrections for a better visual appearance (which I then cycled back into the PNG), and I don't think I violated any Commons policies... AnonMoos (talk) 17:53, 21 January 2017 (UTC)
AnonMoos: would you describe your changes as creative ones? I understand that the changes were difficult, but if your goal in eyeballing was to improve accuracy, then that probably isn't considered creative or transformative. You can spend days and weeks making technical changes to an image and still end up with no right to authorship if your changes were not transformative of that original work. How would you characterize your changes? Do they reflect your own personality and artistic (not merely technical) skills? KDS4444 (talk) 03:56, 22 January 2017 (UTC)
It was not "to improve accuracy" (accurate to what, pray tell??) but because the male sign was ugly and didn't match the female sign too well. And such abstract simple geometric symbols are only dubiously copyrightable in the United States in any case. My attempt to get File:How-to-get-your-ex-back-tips.gif deleted was rejected for that reason (even though the source of the originally-uploaded file version is quite problematic)... AnonMoos (talk) 09:31, 22 January 2017 (UTC)

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Hi y'all, there is related discussion taking place at File_talk:Opened_scallop_shell_(with_arrows).png#Acceptable_option?. --Kevjonesin (talk) 15:30, 22 January 2017 (UTC)

Language selector[edit]

Hi. I've played with it few times but I still could not get language selector (drop down list box for select currently used language of text of file description page) working for my image. Could you please fix it for me for this file? I just want language selector like on this page. Then I fix all files in series myself. Thanks. Artem.komisarenko (talk) 08:53, 18 January 2017 (UTC)

The second file shows the language selector because it transcludes Template:Picture_of_week_on_the_Czech_Wikipedia, which is translated. Ruslik (talk) 17:52, 18 January 2017 (UTC)
Got it. Thanks very much. Artem.komisarenko (talk) 08:39, 19 January 2017 (UTC)

January 19[edit]

Russavia flickr spam[edit]

May we delete Category:Photographs by Melv L - MACASR (check needed), which are 73 fully uncategorized files uploaded by Russavia's most recent sockpuppet?--Moritz Rodach (talk) 20:02, 19 January 2017 (UTC)

No, the photographs are good quality and well within scope. They look pretty easy to categorize if you want to fix that issue.
As for the WMF's action in locking the account, this was noted as "Globally banned user", nothing was said about whom. Please do not speculate on things that the WMF has made no statement about.
By the way, I can see you are using a temporary sock, but just to make it clear to WMF legal, I have no idea who you are, nor have I been on IRC talking to anyone before responding. So no reason for the WMF to ban me for writing this, despite their past threats and ridiculous bad faith presumptions. -- (talk) 20:11, 19 January 2017 (UTC)
"uncategorized" has never been a reason for deletion. you realize we have 300000 files without metadata? the vindictiveness belongs to english, that's where they RBI. no such essay or policy here. Slowking4 § Richard Arthur Norton's revenge 03:22, 23 January 2017 (UTC)

New Facebook group to encourage photographers to add their photos to Commons[edit]

Hi all

I've created the Wikipedia Photography Club Facebook group to try to engage some of the 100s of Facebook photography groups who have 1000s of members with amazing photos. I would appreciate it if you would join the group so that potential contributors can ask questions. I decided to call it Wikipedia Photography club instead of using the word Commons because it is much more recognisable to people not in the community.

Thanks

--John Cummings (talk) 21:26, 19 January 2017 (UTC)

January 20[edit]

Video2Commons down[edit]

Video2Commons is currently down. It gives the error "Error: An exception occurred: IOError: [Errno 116] Stale file handle"

Jasonanaggie (talk) 04:39, 20 January 2017 (UTC)

I've had an audio file (File:Ainsley Harriott voice.flac) in the transcode queue for over 12 hours now. Is this related? Andy Mabbett (talk) 08:10, 20 January 2017 (UTC)
@Pigsonthewing: No, they are unrelated. Videoscaling system and video2commons are two separate systems. --Zhuyifei1999 (talk) 10:06, 20 January 2017 (UTC)
Thanks. Separate section opened, below. Andy Mabbett (talk) 10:09, 20 January 2017 (UTC)
@Jasonanaggie: Would you mind be clear about your issue and not crossposting? So far you have posted to here, phab:T155803, and a phab conpherence, and none of them contain the information required to debug the issue. Please read mw:How to report a bug and phab:T155803#2955339. --Zhuyifei1999 (talk) 10:06, 20 January 2017 (UTC)

Transcode queue backlog[edit]

I've had an audio file (File:Ainsley Harriott voice.flac) in the transcode queue for over 12 hours now. Is there a problem somewhere? Andy Mabbett (talk) 10:08, 20 January 2017 (UTC)
Pictogram voting comment.svg Comment The queue is a bit large just now, so it will take some time. Regards, Yann (talk) 10:11, 20 January 2017 (UTC)

Surfeit of masturbation videos, still.[edit]

I noticed that one of my videos was added to Category:WebM videos, which mostly contains files, but also, as of right now, contains Category:WebM videos of male ejaculation‎ and Category:WebM videos of male masturbation‎, which I don't think are the most natural subdivisions of the category 'WebM videos'.

So I went down the rabbit hole; see Commons:Categories for discussion/2017/01 for where I wound up. We have Category:Ogv videos of male masturbation and Category:GIF videos of male masturbation and Category:2010s ejaculation (animated) and Category:2010s videos of ejaculation and of course Category:Videos of ejaculation by format and I keep finding more of them. If we're going to accrete videos from exhibitionist men (and it does seem to uniformly be men) like a whale accretes barnacles, I don't think we need to make categories that don't even fit our style. Did this just flood back over the last four years since (apparently) it was last brought to the Village Pump? grendel|khan 17:39, 20 January 2017 (UTC)

What action are you trying to get support for? If you think the categorization is poor, then be bold and change it. -- (talk) 17:58, 20 January 2017 (UTC)
I am--see see this month on CFD; I've nominated a dozen categories and I'm about to paste another six to ten nominations in. I'm part kvetching, part passive-aggressively seeking help, part at least explicitly noting somewhere what I'm doing, part wondering if I've made some kind of mistake and it's very intentional that Category:Videos of the 2000s contains Category:Videos of 2000, Category:Videos of 2001, ..., Category:Videos of 2009 and Category:2000s videos of male masturbation‎. grendel|khan 18:28, 20 January 2017 (UTC)
Fair enough. If the categorization makes more sense, and ends up slightly flatter, then I can't see anyone getting far with criticising you for trying. If I notice someone working hard on a niche bit of categorization, I tend to stay away rather than tampering with their creation. -- (talk) 18:52, 20 January 2017 (UTC)

delete me and my photos please who can[edit]

delete me and my photos please who can — Preceding unsigned comment added by VAPE buro (talk • contribs) 20:07, 20 January 2017 (UTC)

See Commons:Deletion requests/Files uploaded by VAPE buro. Ruslik (talk) 20:40, 20 January 2017 (UTC)
✓ Done per COM:CSD#G7. Sebari – aka Srittau (talk) 00:52, 21 January 2017 (UTC)

Redirect loop when saving Flickr photos using Wayback Machine[edit]

I'm going to save some photos from Flickr for license evidencing. When I go to https://archive.org/web/ I'm unable to save any page from Flickr and I get error about redirect loop. Do you experience the same problem? --Rezonansowy (talk) 21:41, 20 January 2017 (UTC)

This may be caused because the photographs are for Friends only or restricted. If you are uploading to Commons, using either standard upload tools or adding {{Flickrreview}} will ensure the license is checked automatically. The automatic bot checks are sufficient evidence against any future challenge. -- (talk) 21:54, 20 January 2017 (UTC)
@: Thanks for hint! But in this case photos are public and in addition I noticed that Flickrreview bot is also unable to check licenses of new photos right now. I tried with this example: https://www.flickr.com/photos/microsoftsweden/15716942894/
--Rezonansowy (talk) 22:41, 20 January 2017 (UTC)

January 21[edit]

First Soviet nuclear test[edit]

Does anyone know when this photograph (en:File:Joe one.jpg) of the first Soviet nuclear test will enter the public domain? It was taken on August 29, 1949. I would like to place it in some category of "undelete in ...". --Metrónomo's truth of the day: "That was also done by the president" not an excuse. 04:53, 21 January 2017 (UTC)

If this photo was first published in Russian in 1949 and the author is truly anonymous, its copyright will expire in Russia on 1 January 2020 (1949 + 70 + 1) and in the US on 1 January 2045 (1949 + 95 + 1). As Commons requires works to free both in the country of origin and the US, if that information is correct it can be placed in Category:Undelete in 2045. —RP88 (talk) 06:44, 21 January 2017 (UTC)
Thank you! --Metrónomo's truth of the day: "That was also done by the president" not an excuse. 02:53, 22 January 2017 (UTC)

COM:V is Commons' official guideline, right?[edit]

I am writing to let you know that I have just added missing, I guess, template to this page. Any objections? --jdx Re: 09:04, 21 January 2017 (UTC)

It is more like a help page than a guideline. Ruslik (talk) 19:00, 21 January 2017 (UTC)
It is listed as a guideline in Template:Commons policies and guidelines. --jdx Re: 19:10, 21 January 2017 (UTC)
so you are locking a page indefinitely based on one vandalism episode a year ? Slowking4 § Richard Arthur Norton's revenge 18:10, 22 January 2017 (UTC)

Commons cat -> Wikidata script now working again[edit]

Wdcat.png

This script adds a small box on a Commons category page, to let you know if there is a corresponding article-like item on Wikidata which has a P373 Commons category statement pointing to the Commons category page.

The script runs whenever you're browsing Commons categories. If the Commons cat page doesn't already include a Wikidata link on the page, it's well worth adding one, using e.g.:

I find it quite useful to spot when P373s are missing, for Commons categories that really ought to have them -- and also, to stop me adding a P373 for a Commonscat, if there's one I didn't know about from another existing item already -- a sign that, instead, the two Wikidata items should perhaps be merged.

To give it a go, simply add the line

importScript('User:Jheald/wdcat.js');

to your common.js on Commons.

It had stopped working because the service that it was previously relying on for its lookups (WDQ) has been withdrawn; I've now tweaked it to use the Wikidata SPARQL query service instead.

I think I got the changes correct, but do give it a try & let me know if anything doesn't work.

All best, Jheald (talk) 21:49, 21 January 2017 (UTC)

January 22[edit]

Photos taken with iPhone uploading with wrong orientation[edit]

I've had no problems uploading photographs taken with my iPhone before, but a bunch of photographs I uploaded today (see my upload log) all ended up with the wrong orientation. I've tagged them for rotation by 270°. Has something changed, either here at the Commons or with the iOS software, to cause this issue? — SMUconlaw (talk) 18:22, 22 January 2017 (UTC)

  • I think there may be some new stuff with EXIF-specified rotation (there is at least for the Rotatebot. @Steinsplitter: do you happen to know more? - Jmabel ! talk 19:15, 22 January 2017 (UTC)

Location map[edit]

Can anyone explain me how to create a location map? Xaris333 (talk) 22:28, 22 January 2017 (UTC)

  • @Xaris333: Are you just talking about a blank map of a region that can be used as a basis for locator maps? Or do you mean something else? It would help if you can point to an example of the sort of thing you are trying to create. - Jmabel ! talk 01:59, 23 January 2017 (UTC)

January 23[edit]

Clean up of "tools.wikimedia.de/~daniel/WikiSense"[edit]

Daniel's old WikiSense tool has links all through templates and many other places within Commons. It would seem opportune for us to look to clean out the prominent uses of the link, especially help:, commons: and template: namespaces where it is directional to utilise.  — billinghurst sDrewth 06:33, 23 January 2017 (UTC)