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1 Old newspaper pdf files? 5 5 Yann 2022-09-26 19:01
2 Migrating files 4 3 Bjh21 2022-09-29 15:31
3 How to create a new category ? 3 2 Ezzex 2022-09-25 17:57
4 Lelo Sejean 2 2 Fitindia 2022-09-26 15:24
5 Wikimedia Community Fund application for Wiki Loves Butterfly - Phase VI 1 1 Atudu 2022-09-26 15:08
6 Hernösands Stifts Herdaminne 1 1 Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) 2022-09-26 16:22
7 does my upload violate any rule? 10 4 Ricky81682 2022-09-30 23:20
8 Wikimedia Sound Logo contest update 1 1 MPourzaki (WMF) 2022-09-27 19:38
9 The power of deletion 4 3 El Grafo 2022-09-30 07:42
10 Government logos 2 2 Jmabel 2022-09-29 21:44
11 OPEN CALL FOR A WIKIPEDIAN IN RESIDENCE AT PAMM 1 1 Ocaasi 2022-09-29 22:28
12 Requesting protection of a file 2 2 Jmabel 2022-09-30 14:37
13 Can I make templates related to opium poppies and cannabis? 10 4 Ox1997cow 2022-10-02 04:16
14 Mass rollback request 2 2 Jeff G. 2022-10-02 21:24
15 How do you call a "Jakobsladder" in English? 3 3 Jmabel 2022-10-02 15:16
16 French or Swiss mountains? 1 1 Smiley.toerist 2022-10-02 08:56
17 Two types of locomotives 3 3 Oxyman 2022-10-02 16:06
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August 29[edit]

View it! Tool
Upcoming View it! tool discussion - for those interested in Wikimedia Commons & structured data - August 31, 2022

A project has been funded by the Wikimedia Foundation as part of the Structured Data Across Wikimedia Work to create a tool called View it! The tool aims to increase the discoverability of images on Commons, give readers and editors access to more images, and encourage contributors to utilize Commons & structured data. Please visit the Meta page if you are interested in trying out the prototype. We are having a demo and feedback session on August 31st at 16:00 UTC, please join us if you wish!

We hope to see you there! Sincerely, Dominic, Kevin, & Jamie

September 22[edit]

Old newspaper pdf files?[edit]

is it appropriate to batch upload scans of old newspapers in pdf format? i think hosting them on commons makes them more accessible than other websites for interested historians and hobbyists. example: https://archive.org/details/shenbao-1872.09.03 .--RZuo (talk) 07:20, 22 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@RZuo Many of them are organized in PDF format and there is already a lot from the Internet Archive. Ricky81682 (talk) 07:28, 22 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Commons is a media repository, not a newspaper archive. Files that contain mostly text are not really our concern unless they are of particular use for one of our sister projects. It's a bit of a grey area. We do have scans of selected old books that serve as basis for getting them into Wikisource, but I would advise against batch uploading piles of newspaper scans. See also Commons:Project_scope#PDF_and_DjVu_formats. El Grafo (talk) 07:36, 22 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Quite clearly stated, Wikimedia Commons is a free media repository, we accept PDF when they are of potential use on other projects (e.g. scans for Wikisource). PierreSelim (talk) 14:53, 23 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
IMO this is in scope for Commons. However please take care to insert complete information (content description, date, author, source, etc.) at least in the original langage (Chinese here) and at least a summary in English. Thanks, Yann (talk) 19:01, 26 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

September 23[edit]

Migrating files[edit]

Is it considered acceptable to perform file migrations from other Wiki, for image which are reasonably trustworthy?

For example many photos from https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Category:CC-0_files seem to be acceptable for transferring them. Or https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3AWhatLinksHere&target=Template%3AInformation&namespace=6 with valid license templates.

Is it OK to upload them here (which would enable to request deletion at OSM Wiki). Is it necessary to do something extra? Is such action welcome/unwelcome?

Are there maybe helper scripts already existing?

I looked for example for Commons:Migration

I would do edits with manual review, including categorization, so I think that bot flag would not be needed. Maybe from a separate account.

Feedback welcome!

Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 08:26, 23 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Mateusz Konieczny: I've certainly seen other cases where we've imported files from other, non-Wikimedia, wikis. I think it would be helpful to ensure that an archive site like https://web.archive.org has a copy of each file page on the OSM Wiki before it is deleted. You might try tagging the images with {{LicenseReview}} to ask that a trusted user cross-check the licence, though last time I looked the licence review queue was enormous.
Slightly to my surprise, CommonsHelper more or less works when pointed at the OSM Wiki (enter "wiki" and "openstreetmap" in the two boxes to form the domain name). If nothing else this shows our usual way to preserve the original upload log from the source wiki. --bjh21 (talk) 15:24, 29 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Oh, and Commons:Moving files to Commons refers to some other tools that might be useful. It's mainly targetted at imports from other Wikimedia projects, but I suspect they wouldn't need much adaptation. --bjh21 (talk) 15:31, 29 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

September 26[edit]

Lelo Sejean[edit]

Hi, I have found that 3 different accounts uploaded low quality images of this football player. They were tagged as CSD F10, and deleted by Fitindia (then restored), Túrelio and I. This guy has only 3,520 results on Google Search, but has already a WD entry. So either Google failed to report about a notable football player, or we have a team (read socks) trying to promote him. Any idea? Yann (talk) 14:56, 26 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I to feel its a sock job but I restored as I thought he might be a notable football player. Seems to be a good case for COM:RFCU - FitIndia Talk 15:24, 26 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Wikimedia Community Fund application for Wiki Loves Butterfly - Phase VI[edit]

Wiki Loves Butterfly logo.svg

Hi, Greetings from the Wiki Loves Butterfly team.

As you might know, for the last 6 years, we have been documenting butterfly taxons endemic to eastern and north-eastern part of India through the Wiki Loves Butterfly project. Our aim has been to increase the amount of free license materials along with enrichment of related content on different Wikimedia sites. Our project was previously supported by 4 Rapid Grants and currently the fifth phase is running under the Project Grants.

Since the beginning of the project in 2016, we have gained a considerable amount of expertise, maturity and confidence to successfully plan and execute field-documentations and expand our area of activity in remote deep forests of north-east India. We are now applying for the Wikimedia Community Fund so that we can expand our activities in our next phase to bring more quantity and quality to the topic.

You can find our fund proposal here -

Regards, Atudu (talk) 15:08, 26 September 2022 (UTC) , Project Lead, Wiki Loves Butterfly teamReply[reply]

Hernösands Stifts Herdaminne[edit]

Is there anyway these pdf files of Hernösands Stifts Herdaminne can be loaded to Commons automatically? See: https://web.archive.org/web/20170331120722/https://solace.se/~blasta/herdamin/index.htm . The files also exist as scan at Project Runeberg. See: http://runeberg.org/hernosandh/ . The Solace version was converted to ASCII text and stored as pdfs. Both versions loaded would be ideal. The version at the Internet Archive is so highly compressed, that it is useless. --RAN (talk) 16:22, 26 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

does my upload violate any rule?[edit]

Hello,

this is my artwork: File:Mahsa_amini.jpg

Mahsa amini.jpg

after death of mahsa amin, a 22 years old iranian girl. i desided to create a typography of her portrait. but because she died young i finished it incomplete and wrote it as a sentence, like this artwork: I Can See the Whole Room...and There's Nobody in It! dose my upload violate any Wikimedia rule and should be deleted? i use proper categories for it.

thanks,--Roxjor (talk) 18:14, 26 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hi Roxjor, with regard to her face/head in your image, did you use any photography or drawing as a template? --Túrelio (talk) 18:24, 26 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Hello,
i used picture of her that can be found in for example nytimes, guardian , and guardian mentioned that image source is twitter. and in twitter post they mentioned that image is from her Instagram account. almose all news agencies used that photo. Roxjor (talk) 18:41, 26 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Ok. Then there is probably a problem with copyright. Images on Twitter are not free and usage by newspapers has no meaning wrt copyright. Your image might be a derivative work. However, to judge whether or not a permission by the original photographer is required needs an evaluation by users experienced with artworks (I am not). You may bypass this by tracking down the true photographer, which might not be easy wrt the political situation in Iran. But, if you are able to do so, you might ask him/her directly whether he/she allows to use said photography for the creation of your artwork (needs confirmation by sending an email to permissions-commons@wikimedia.org (OTRS). --Túrelio (talk) 18:59, 26 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
guys, i found the source of image, the newyork times mentioned the source is iranwire.com, the family of girl gave that photo to iran wire. i :::::emailed them (however i don't know my art is derivative and need permission or not?): hello,
i created this artwork:
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Mahsa_amini.jpg
but we have problem about its copyright, in this talk:
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump#does_my_upload_violate_any_rule?
we searched for sources, the newyok times in this link mentiond the image source is your site iranwire.com:
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/09/21/world/middleeast/iran-protests-mahsa-amini.html
""A picture of Mahsa Amini provided to Iran Wire by her family. The authorities have said she died of heart failure; her family say she had been in :::::good health."". about copyright of your upload do you give us premission to use this derivitative version on commons.wikimedio.org or no? if no :::::please email me and if yes pleas email : permissions-commons@wikimedia.org

best regards. Roxjor (talk) 20:10, 26 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • As of now, there isn't anywhere where this is being used on Wikipedia and I don't see why it would be used on Wikipedia anyways. The fact that an anonymous editor created an image and wants it publicized (see this discussion) doesn't mean it's appropriate for Commons to host. It is for all intends and purpose COM:SPAM, no matter how sincere the uploader is creating the work. Still, I don't see a point in deleting it at the moment. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 21:24, 26 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    hello, it's a protest art. ([1]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protest_art). i am iranian and worry about what happing in my country. right now we are against iranian regime. i designed this artwork. i want they use it. every artist like others use his artworks. i just told other people in discussion may my art useful for you. but my main propose is to share it freely for all people. it's a typography, and a protest art, it is useful. i am pretty sure 98% of 86 millions media uploaded on commons not used anywhere on meta projects. i deleted my acconut years ago. i'm not an active wikipedian right now. but if it's not propre for commons or has copyright problem, please request for delet it. i try to upload it another host or keep it in my pc as a part of my digital arts. i can't use my real ip or name because i'm worry about going to prison. more than 40 iranian killed in past 10 days by iranian police and thousands gone to jail. Roxjor (talk) 21:37, 26 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    here deletion nomination:
    https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests/File:Mahsa_amini.jpg Roxjor (talk) 22:37, 26 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • This is now being discussed at Commons:Deletion requests/File:Mahsa amini.jpg so I think this discussion is now moot. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 23:20, 30 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

September 27[edit]

Wikimedia Sound Logo contest update[edit]

Hi everyone, happy to share a second batch of sound logo submission with you – enjoy listening. As well, this is a reminder that on Thursday September 29, 15:00-16:00 UTC, we'll be having a Music Production Workshop and drop-in clinic with our expert partner MassiveMusic. Please join to ask questions and discuss topics that will help you with your sound logo submission.

MPourzaki (WMF) (talk) 19:38, 27 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

September 29[edit]

The power of deletion[edit]

Is there any such thing as the power to close and delete without the full sysop powers and responsibilities? ~ R.T.G 07:03, 29 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Not that I'm aware of. Something like a deletion-only admin has been discussed intensely at least once in the past, though. --El Grafo (talk) 07:11, 29 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Some projects has 'eliminators', users that only have the power to delete (or restore) files. I don't know if this proposal was discussed here. Érico (talk) 23:30, 29 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
There was a proposal in 2014. Couldn't find anything newer ... --El Grafo (talk) 07:42, 30 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Government logos[edit]

I have tried to find my own answer, but have read some much, I can hardly parse it all: I work for a state gov't agency in Texas(US). If I upload an image of a sign/graphic that includes that agency's logo, what do I attach to show it is a gov't logo?--Buddpaul (talk) 15:04, 29 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

OPEN CALL FOR A WIKIPEDIAN IN RESIDENCE AT PAMM[edit]

The Pérez Art Museum Miami (PAMM) is seeking a creative and driven Wikipedian In Residence (WIR) to improve coverage of their collections on Wikipedia, Wikimedia Commons, and Wikidata. PAMM is a modern and contemporary art museum dedicated to collecting and exhibiting international art of the 20th and 21st centuries.

MUSEUM: https://www.pamm.org

The WIR would be helping PAMM establish Wikipedia programming institution-wide. The Wikipedian In Residence will work closely with the digital team at PAMM with access to curators and staff for support and training.

DIGITIAL LEAD: https://www.jaymollica.com

On Wikidata, the WIR will add structured data and expand items about painting objects, artists, collections, installations, exhibits, and events. On Wikimedia Commons, photos of living artists will be taken and added with appropriate categorization. On Wikipedia, the WIR will improve articles about PAMM's artists, their key collections, and the notable art movements of which they are a part. The WIR will also engage community through edit-a-thons, virtual events, and staff trainings.

They WIR will have a dedicated, expert strategic advisor helping them onboard into the role and plan their activities with weekly check-ins and ongoing support.

ADVISOR: https://www.wikiblueprint.com

A good candidate will have some (but not necessarily all) of the desired skills and experience. We encourage a diversity of candidates to apply even if your resume doesn't meet every qualification.

PLEASE APPLY: https://secure5.saashr.com/ta/5CET.careers?ShowJob=302365959

Ocaasi (talk) 22:28, 29 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

September 30[edit]

Requesting protection of a file[edit]

Vandalism is occurring on File:Vladimir Putin 17-11-2021 (cropped).jpg. Please protect the file. Thanks. 110.150.103.47 00:30, 30 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • I've given it a low level of protection: 6 months of requiring that users who edit it be autoconfirmed. If another admin feels something stronger is in order, feel free. - Jmabel ! talk 14:37, 30 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Can I make templates related to opium poppies and cannabis?[edit]

Opium poppy and cannabis are legal or illegal in different countries.

For example, the cultivation of opium poppies in South Korea is strictly prohibited, but the cultivation of opium poppies in the United Kingdom is legal except where opium is not harvested.

Similarly, cannabis is legal in Thailand, whereas in South Korea only authorized persons are allowed to harvest seeds for edible purposes or stems for textile purposes.

These templates are used for files containing opium poppies and cannabis, indicating whether opium poppies and cannabis are legal in different countries.

So, can I make templates related to opium poppies and cannabis?

For example, {{Opium poppy}} and {{Cannabis}} Ox1997cow (talk) 16:03, 30 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Ox1997cow: As far as I know none of our files actually contains opium poppies or cannabis. At most they contain images (or maybe sounds) of those plants, and those images and sounds are not restricted even in places where the plants are. So I can't see any reason why we'd need these templates. Commons isn't here to provide legal advice on everything represented in our files: at most we should comment on how the files can be re-used. bjh21 (talk) 16:18, 30 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
However, opium poppies are sometimes grown secretly in countries where cultivation is illegal because of their pretty flowers. See example. 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 (All five cases are photos taken in South Korea, where cultivation is strictly prohibited.) Ox1997cow (talk) 16:23, 30 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
In that way, what templates are related to non-copyright restrictions, such as Germany, where symbols related to Nazi are banned, and South Korea, where symbols related to North Korea are banned? (See also {{Nazi symbol}} and {{Communist symbol}}.) --Ox1997cow (talk) 16:27, 30 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Ox1997cow: But does South Korea have any limits on images of opium poppies? - Jmabel ! talk 18:17, 30 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
No. But I think it's useful to warn against counterfeiters who grow opium poppies. -Ox1997cow (talk) 07:54, 1 October 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Ox1997cow: I don't understand this last statement. What would that have to do with counterfeiting? - Jmabel ! talk 15:45, 1 October 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Sorry. It's an error. The correct sentense is this: I think it's useful to warn a copycat crime growing opium poppies. Ox1997cow (talk) 01:20, 2 October 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Ox1997cow: Again, Commons isn't here to provide advice. This is a media repository. So no, these templates should not exist here. Huntster (t @ c) 01:31, 2 October 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I see. Sorry. Ox1997cow (talk) 04:16, 2 October 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

October 02[edit]

Mass rollback request[edit]

✓ Done Hi! Could anyone help me mass rollback all edits (non-upload) made by my bot Special:Contributions/PencakeBot in past two days? It overwrites page text of some old files by mistake when performing a new batch upload. (I suppose there is automatic tool I don't know.?) Thanks! --虹易 (talk) 01:37, 2 October 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@虹易: Sorry, I couldn't find any such edits to rollback.   — Jeff G. please ping or talk to me 21:24, 2 October 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Jeff G.: I just just most of them appear to be reverted again (and hence fixed) by another bot. I also manually fixed a few. Now they looks good. Nothing to do for now. (Previously here[2][3]). Thanks for the reply! 虹易 (talk) 00:32, 3 October 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

How do you call a "Jakobsladder" in English?[edit]

In Dutch a "Jakobsladder" or "Jacobsladder" is a conveyor belt that goes up. I would like to make a category for them, but cannot find a proper English term. I think the category should be a subcategory of Category:Conveyor belts and a parent category of Category:Hay elevators, Category:Stockpile conveyors and Category:Bucket-ladder dredges. They are for instance used in agriculture (like hay elevators), in construction, manufacturing, loading ships and in grain mills. They are named after the Biblical Category:Jacob's ladder. What would be a proper English name for them? --JopkeB (talk) 05:38, 2 October 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Incline(d) conveyor? Need a native English speaker to confirm. --HyperGaruda (talk) 11:43, 2 October 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
As a native speaker, I think "inclined conveyor" is what I'd call it. I don't think we have any special term for it. - Jmabel ! talk 15:16, 2 October 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Thanks, HyperGaruda and Jmabel, I think you are right. With Google I found many examples, images and descriptions of "inclined conveyor" and they look exactly what I need. I also found a lot of "Incline belt conveyors", which do the same trick. Would that be an even better name? --JopkeB (talk) 06:24, 3 October 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@JopkeB, Jmabel, and HyperGaruda: "inclined conveyors" is more generic and could be a parent of "inclined belt conveyors" and "inclined bucket conveyors". There could also be "inclined bucket conveyors" that operate in reverse to convert gravity to mechanical or electrical power like water wheels.   — Jeff G. please ping or talk to me 12:04, 3 October 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Thanks, Jeff G., for your thoughts. So according to you it should be:
  • Category:Inclined conveyors - parent category; subcategories would be:
  • Category:Inclined belt conveyors (with also Category:Conveyor belts‎ as a parent). Definition: Conveyor belts that goes up and maybe go down as well
  • Category:Inclined bucket conveyors (with what other category as a parent?)
Questions:
  1. What would be the definition of Inclined conveyors? What would be its parents? What is the difference between Inclined conveyors and Inclined belt conveyors? Do we really need two of them?
  2. What is the difference between Inclined bucket conveyors and Category:Bucket elevators? They both have buckets and they both go up (and down).
--JopkeB (talk) 12:59, 3 October 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@JopkeB: Category:Inclined conveyors would be conveyors on an incline (and a subcat of Category:Conveyor technology). Category:Inclined bucket conveyors would be a subcat of that and redirect to (or substituted with) Category:Bucket elevators, with removal from Category:Conveyor technology as COM:OVERCAT. Or we could just forget about the inclined nature of the conveyors.   — Jeff G. please ping or talk to me 13:35, 3 October 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

French or Swiss mountains?[edit]

This pictures are taken close to Category:Émosson dam(File:Barrage d'Émosson 1999.jpg). I suspect they are taken in the direction of the French side. There is the deep Arven valley leading to France. Can these mountains and valleys be identified? As this was taken in 1999, the glasiers could have moved quite a bit.Smiley.toerist (talk) 08:56, 2 October 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Two types of locomotives[edit]

In the Category:SLM HGe 4/4 I, there are examples of a 'crocodile' locomotive, with low front ends, and a normal square type of locomotive. It seems to me that these cannot be in the same category.Smiley.toerist (talk) 09:48, 2 October 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

This is correct. The Swiss class naming system is descriptive, rather than ordinal. It's quite possible for two distinct classes to be given the same designation (although HGe 4/4 I and HGe 4/4 II might have been more expected, this wasn't used until a much later class). In this case they're distinguished as the 'Elektrokrokodil' and 'Balkonlok' sub-types. The two types are broadly the same, with some evolutionary improvements: despite the obvious visual changes, they have more in common than they are different.
This category is correct and should be preserved. If anything, we'd move to 3 categories with two new sub-categories and all the content moved to them. Andy Dingley (talk) 11:00, 2 October 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
The Dutch language wiki has 3 separate articles for these all linking to the same commons cat, the infobox information only links back to the first variant's article. It would be better to have 3 cats linking to their corresponding articles making the information consistent over all Wikimedia wikis. Commons is not en;wikipedia Oxyman (talk) 16:06, 2 October 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

October 03[edit]