File talk:Austria-Hungary-flag-1869-1914-naval-1786-1869-merchant.svg

  Here you can see just a version of the real Flag and its crown. No fake please. --Nicola Romani (talk) 10:47, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

It's true. It's a "version" of the flag. Not an absolut design... in fact, a hand-made flag very bad done... So you can't see the version with a more detailed crown is fake because it isn't... it's just an heraldic representation which is totally valid. The original SVG file isn't exactly the same as the flag of the photo, and the new version isn't also... but probably none of them is exactly just like the original design of the flag (if there was one someday). But the last one is much better done than the original SVG file which is a just a vectorization of another image. --B1mbo (talk) 18:26, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

Sorry, but heraldry doesn't mean "immagination" can you provide sources? we can not invent anything! I've posted a real picture of the orignal flag, many others here, here, Here, here and here!. --Nicola Romani (talk) 21:42, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

Hi Nicola, this is an usual problem here. Regarding historical flags or coats of arms there is not an unique graphical representation, like today for logos or trademarks for example, but a description in words, called blazon, indicating summarily shapes and colors. If these shapes and these colors are respected, then the design is correct. Personally I think that the old image is closer to the original than the new one, but the new version is not "fake", but just different. Why B1mbo do not upload his file to another name? We can have two version of this flag, like File:Flag of Italy (1861-1946) crowned.svg and File:Flag of Italy (1861-1946) crowned alternate.svg for Italy. --F l a n k e r (talk) 22:29, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

The problem is that it seems there is a design that simplifies too much the crown. I don't think the flagmakers were perfect to create a flag exactly like what it should have been. It's usual in flags with a lot of details (see for example, the different flags of Spain that are made today even where there are exact especifications). And... even in the case Nicola is showing, the original flag isn't exactly like the first one (there are clearly some "leaves" with blue and red jewels).

I've tried to reach some kind of consensus, making a crown closer to the design Nicola has shared, but with more details based in the File:Corona Real Cerrada 2.svg. I can't upload it here because the file is protected, so I uploaded it in File:Flag_of_Austria-Hungary_1869-1918.svg. --B1mbo (talk) 01:39, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

I think that it is better to stay closer to the images Nocola have posted. I also think that it is better to use two images, one simplified like this great photo of the origlinal (if I have time tomorrow I try to make a SVG copy) and a more detailed one, like yours. --F l a n k e r (talk) 21:03, 21 June 2010 (UTC)

In that case we should have different files for every different representation of the former Austrian flag [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] All have different designs of the crown and I would say they are closer to the "official" design than the real flags posted above. Specially with complex designs, real flags are far from perfection... just look different Spanish real flags.

I don't think having two different files is the solution, especially when this flag is already used in a lot of projects (and thinking that them will "decide" which file to use is naive). So we should try to figure out what is "an Austrian crown" as included in the official description of the flag. Just look at this coat of arms and you will see what an "Austrian crown" is (the one in the middle). Really different than the picture of Nocola and closer to the image I used and the one that Buho used in the Flag of Austria-Hungary. --B1mbo (talk) 00:42, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

Mhmmm... it is so a big deal? [7] and [8] that you have posted show the same flag I want to create. It's clearly the historical best flag design. You can't pretend that a flag can be precise and accurate as a painted coat of arms. --F l a n k e r (talk) 17:07, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

OK we have an SVG copy of [9]:

cheers, F l a n k e r (talk) 18:17, 22 June 2010 (UTC)