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Southern border

@NordNordWest: The southern border is not correct, as almost all of the en:Hadrut Province is confirmed to be under Azerbaijani control. You can see this map used in the en:2020 Nagorno-Karabakh war article for reference. Thanks in advance. Cheers. CuriousGolden (留言) 12:45, 14 November 2020 (UTC)

Thanks, it's corrected. NNW 16:48, 14 November 2020 (UTC)

No problem, happy to help. CuriousGolden (留言) 17:04, 14 November 2020 (UTC)

The fog of war needs time to settle. It still obfuscates the situation on the ground. Cf. https://vpk.name/en/462139_the-russian-defense-ministry-showed-maps-of-the-deployment-of-russian-peacekeepers-in-nagorno-karabakh.html for a preliminary "neutral" map of the future situation. I guess it's safe to assume that all territories not guarded (or occupied?) by the Russian army will be controlled by Azerbaijan - regardless if that was the line of contact when the peace treaty was signed. Not sure if that is maybe just a draft map though. PS: in today's German FAZ newspaper there was a similar map. --TUBS 16:52, 14 November 2020 (UTC)

https://m.faz.net/aktuell/politik/bewohner-in-nagornyj-karabach-zuenden-ihre-haeuser-an-17052186.html --TUBS 16:54, 14 November 2020 (UTC)

The BBC offers yet another version https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-54885906 --TUBS 17:03, 14 November 2020 (UTC)

The Russian map is a primary source and it has already done some mistakes. For example, in their first map, they showed Russian posts in Agdam District of Azerbaijan but in the second map they released yesterday, they removed it. So that map isn't very detailed and will probably be updated. CuriousGolden (留言) 17:04, 14 November 2020 (UTC)

First update of the Russian map - I guess: https://english.iswnews.com/16243/maps-of-russias-observation-posts-in-nagorno-karabakh-released/ --TUBS 17:12, 14 November 2020 (UTC)

Borders

Azerbaijan (semi-secession), administrative divisions - de - colored

Hi again, @NordNordWest: . Sorry to bother you again. I noticed that the north-west part of the border is too generalized and wrong. Especially Balakan District. Which results in villages like Qaysa to be shown in Georgia, rather than in Azerbaijan. Would be great if you fixed it. Also, another mistake is in the Absheron District. Near Baku, there's supposed to be a big exclave of the district, but it's instead fully connected in your map. You can use the map I've put on the right as a reference to fix it if you will. Thanks in advance. Cheers. CuriousGolden (留言) 20:27, 14 November 2020 (UTC)

I think we will follow https://www.azstat.org/webmap/?lang=en. It is not an exclave but it looks different than the location map. NNW 10:56, 15 November 2020 (UTC)

Yeah, that's good. CuriousGolden (留言) 16:28, 15 November 2020 (UTC)

Done. Baku boundaries according to https://www.azstat.org/webmap/index.php?geolevel=baki&v=off&year=2015&indicator=undefined&section=undefined&colorFrom=edf8fb&colorTo=810f7c&cc=3&ms=method_Q. NNW 19:38, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

Economic region borders

@Nima Farid: Hey, you've got the border of Kalbajar-Lachin Economic Region wrong. It does not include the Jabrayil District. Besides, I don't think having the borders of the economic regions is good. They're not administrative districts and they're not used too much anywhere, including government things. It just makes map look too "busy" in my opinion. Could you remove them? CuriousGolden (留言) 16:58, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

That's correct, no economic regions in this map, they are not administrative. NNW 09:19, 17 November 2020 (UTC)

I fixed Jibrayil in the last version I uploaded. And NNW's map is gonna stay up for now. I do believe they're useful to show. They're used a lot more frequenly in Azerbaijan, even on official government agencies. For example, here's two examples from Azerbaijan Ministry of Defense, in the duration of this recent war: [1] [2] Nima Farid (留言) 15:52, 17 November 2020 (UTC)

Here's a link address to a set of stats from AzStat, [3] It shows that 1. Economic regions are used as a grouping of cities and rayons, on a document on poulation. And 2. It shows a list of adminisntrative divisions, and Shusha isn't an independent city. Nima Farid (留言) 15:56, 17 November 2020 (UTC)

They may be used to group together, but it's still far from the actual subject of the map: the administrative districts. Anything else that isn't administrative districts is just too much. CuriousGolden (留言) 15:59, 17 November 2020 (UTC)

Open questions

Şuşa

@Nima Farid: All Wikipedias list Şuşa as under the direct authority of the republic. Please stop upload new versions of this file without discussion. NNW 09:19, 17 November 2020 (UTC)

Sorry I just saw these comments, prior to reverting. I have reverted back to your map. Meanwhile, are there any official Azerbaijani sources stating that "Shusha is a directly controlled city"? I haven't seen any, yet. Also, this is supposedly an officially correct map (?) showing Shusha city as part of the Rayon. [4] Nima Farid (留言) 15:44, 17 November 2020 (UTC)

Well, it cannot be by chance that different versions of Wikipedia name Şuşa as not belonging the rayon. Perhaps it is outdated information? https://www.azstat.org/webmap/?lang=en is a bit strange because some other town are missing, too, while Gəncə is divided in two parts. We will have to look for new information about the rayons and find out what is correct. NNW 16:18, 17 November 2020 (UTC)

Also, something I noticed, borders of the Kangarli District is almost completely wrong in the stat.gov.az map. It's not nearly as big in real life as it's shown in the site. CuriousGolden (留言) 17:14, 17 November 2020 (UTC)

But in az:File:Azərbaycan Respublikasının siyasi-inzibati xəritəsi.jpeg it looks the same. Do you have a source showing a smaller area? NNW 18:13, 17 November 2020 (UTC)

Most maps in Wikipedia, including the district maps use a smaller version of Kangarli, like here. But, I do trust az:File:Azərbaycan Respublikasının siyasi-inzibati xəritəsi.jpeg more, so we should probably go by that. CuriousGolden (留言) 18:21, 17 November 2020 (UTC)

With respect to Ganja being shown as two separate entities on that map, it actually is a mere glitch, and if you bring the mouse over them, it just shows as its two subordinate municipal rayons, Kapaz and Nizami. I actually know now why Shusha is shown as a distinct city. It was mentioned in the 1991 bill on dissolution of NKAO to be a Republican-City, along with Khankandi/Stepanakert, and that's the one and only official source I have found, that states this. Source: [5] However, I guess, due to the fact that soon after, the entire region was occupied by Armenia, the law's proper execution was of no importance? BUT, The official webpage of Shusha Rayon (Source [6]) states that the rayon has 1 city (+1 town of Turshsu and 37 villages) inside it. Nima Farid (留言) 06:04, 18 November 2020 (UTC)

If we determine that Shusha City is subordinate to the District (This is a smoking gun definitive evidence for me: [7], awaiting everyone else's answers) I'll get on updating the information across Wikipedia over this weekend. Nima Farid (留言) 15:48, 18 November 2020 (UTC)

I am convinced now that Shusha is part of the district. We should update/change this information in Wikipedia, too. Another topic:

Baku/Absheron District

en:Çeyildağ is an exclave of Baku but what about the area surrounding en:Qobu. Which shape does it have? I have seen lots of versions the last days and they all show different versions: exclave, not an exclave but with a small corridor to the main part of Absheron District, not an exclave but with a broad corridor. What do you think which version seems to be the correct one or the most likely one? NNW 10:07, 19 November 2020 (UTC)

en:Çeyildağ is an exclave. And en:Qobu is most likely connected with a tiny corridor, rather than a large one. CuriousGolden (留言)

Qobu is separated from the rest of Absheron by Baku's Binaqandy District. If we are to use this map of Binaqandy district (Source: [8], Map: [9]), Quba is indeed an exclave of Absheron.

This is definitely the best source I've seen in the last days. NNW 17:07, 20 November 2020 (UTC)

Agreed. It seems like the most reliable. CuriousGolden (留言) 17:48, 20 November 2020 (UTC)

Nakhchivan City and Babak District Border

As we know, Nakhchivan is shown as an enclave in Babak District. [10] Azstat map agrees with our map here. However, This map [11] shows a different situation. As do maps posted in this link [12]. Furthermore, Table on details of administrative divisions shows "Tumbul" and "Bulqan" to be within Nakhchivan city, with isn't compliant with how the enclave is drawn. So, I don't know. Nima Farid (留言) 00:58, 22 November 2020 (UTC)

I have found this official map, that's of pretty good resolution. (Source: [13], map:[14])

It's a good source. NNW 12:38, 23 November 2020 (UTC)

Work list

• https://www.stat.gov.az/source/demoqraphy/ap/ 11 towns, without Şuşa; map is a bit different from azstat.org
• https://www.stat.gov.az/menu/5/source/Inzibati_tes.pdf , 2019 Classification of Administrative divisions, includes an extensive list of all cities, towns, and villages. Shusha city is subordinate to the District.

Water Bodies

The inclusion of water bodies is very weird. The map has some very small lakes/reservoirs mapped, but not big ones like en:Shamkir reservoir (west of the already mapped en:Mingachevir Reservoir) or en:Sarsang Reservoir (in northern Nagorno-Karabakh). CuriousGolden (留言) 17:25, 18 November 2020 (UTC)

It's quite simple. Were these reservoirs part of the free data that I took? No. In some cases I have seen changes and I updated them, in other cases I didn't. It is impossible to do it correctly for all the location maps I have made. I update maps whenever I get to know these changes. NNW 10:09, 19 November 2020 (UTC)

Understandable. Is it not possible to add the water bodies I've mentioned then? CuriousGolden (留言) 11:14, 19 November 2020 (UTC)

I've already updated the source file of the location map so they will be shown with the next update. (Btw Sarsang Reservoir isn't that big in this scale.) NNW 12:26, 19 November 2020 (UTC)

Map corrections

@NordNordWest: Hey! I have noticed a couple of inconsistencies with this map, since it is used on many Wikipedia articles. If you have the opportunity it would be great if you could look at these issues:

• Khtsaberd/Çaylaqqala and Hin Tagher/Köhnə Tağlar, as well as the Katarovank monastery are still under Artsakh/NKR control; Armenian media have reported about the towns, which has been an Armenian holdout in the Hadrut Province: [15] [16] and Liveuamap has also marked it as controlled by Artsakh forces [17] [18].

• The Nagorno-Karabakh conflict detailed map on Wikipedia uses this map, however Machkalashen, which is controlled by Artsakh, when using this map, is located on the wrong side of the line of control.

AntonSamuel (留言) 22:45, 6 December 2020 (UTC)

I agree with showing Machkalashen, but Köhnə Tağlar and Çaylaqqala's fate is unknown as they are technically exclaves if Armenians still hold it. I recommend waiting until things are clearer about these villages. CuriousGolden (留言) 07:01, 7 December 2020 (UTC)

I need a map as a reference. Place X is under control of … means that I have to invent a line of control. NNW 16:49, 7 December 2020 (UTC)

@NordNordWest: Here's a credible Twitter geolocator's map of the military situation. I still suggest not touching the south-western area that goes deep into Azeri territory as its fate is unknown. You can use the map to fix the south-eastern area (village of Machkalashen) and can also add that small mountain gain in the north. CuriousGolden (留言) 17:26, 7 December 2020 (UTC)

The Machkalashen area is under Artsakh control now. Let's wait for further developments and especially for better maps as a reference. NNW 18:57, 10 December 2020 (UTC)

Thank you. CuriousGolden (留言) 19:26, 10 December 2020 (UTC)

@NordNordWest: A credible twitter geo-locator released a detailed map of the situation. Other than the disputed south-west area, you can check if there's any place you missed on the current map. Most notably, there's a minor mountain gain in the north, with a long strip. CuriousGolden (留言) 20:03, 11 December 2020 (UTC)

I won't check and change a file every day. Let's wait a while and see then what's right and what's wrong. NNW 20:11, 11 December 2020 (UTC)

Alright, that's cool. CuriousGolden (留言) 20:24, 11 December 2020 (UTC)

Mistake

@NordNordWest: In the south-eastern part of the map, the border of the Massaly District also seems to include the coastal area, which would imply that the district itself has no coast. I imagine this is a mistake. Could this possibly be fixed? Thanks. CuriousGolden (留言) 19:05, 5 February 2021 (UTC)

"I imagine" is not a source. :o) Following az:File:Azərbaycan Respublikasının siyasi-inzibati xəritəsi.jpeg Masally District has got a connection to the lagoon but not the open sea. NNW 19:23, 5 February 2021 (UTC)

It still has a coast though. The border running along the coast implies that the surrounding district has a narrow strip that prevents Masally District from having any coast, which it doesn't have. CuriousGolden (留言) 19:28, 5 February 2021 (UTC)

Again: source. I won't invent a boundary. I won't take any Commons map as a source. NNW 20:11, 6 March 2021 (UTC)

The source is the map you've linked. You're right, it has a connection to the lagoon, which means it has a coast and the Lankaran District's 2 parts are not connected to each other (which is somewhat implied by the current version). CuriousGolden (留言) 20:16, 6 March 2021 (UTC)

After a look at the satellite images of Google Maps and Bing Maps it is clear that the lagoon is completely surrounded by land and there definitely is a land bridge between both parts of Lankaran District. NNW 15:18, 7 March 2021 (UTC)

I'm so confused. Even in the official map by the Azerbaijani government, Masally District has a coast and access to the lagoon. It's definitely not landlocked. CuriousGolden (留言) 15:26, 7 March 2021 (UTC)

Take a look at the satellite images and you will see that the lagoon is landlocked by now. NNW 17:34, 7 March 2021 (UTC)

It looks very green, but that's just the colour of the water, so the lagoon is still there. You can even see the bridge between Lankaran and the strip's endpoint. CuriousGolden (留言) 17:50, 7 March 2021 (UTC)

It's a dam, not a bridge, otherwise the water wouldn't look that different on both sides. And at the Southern end of the southern part of the lagoon you can see land, not a passage to the sea. That cannot be discussed. NNW 19:06, 7 March 2021 (UTC)

Corrections

@NordNordWest: Hi, there's something I want to point out. According to Azerbaijan's territorial divisions, the en:Shusha District has 2 exclaves which includes the villages of en:Malıbəyli, en:Yuxarı Quşçular and en:Aşağı Quşçular. It's the same as here. Do you think you could fix it? CuriousGolden (留言) 18:32, 6 March 2021 (UTC)

Also the exclave in the en:Qubadli District seems to be much larger on the map than real life (it's around the same size as the exclave in north-western en:Khojavend District. You can see this map for reference. Also, there's a third exclave inside southern Khojavend District, near the town of en:Jabrayil, which you can also see in the map I linked above. CuriousGolden (留言) 19:37, 6 March 2021 (UTC)

Yet another thing I want to add. In the north-western part of the en:Agdam District, it seems you followed the Soviet administrative boundaries as the line extending into Nagorno-Karabakh is much thinner on your map than it is in real life. You can see this clearly in this detailed map of Karabakh. The villages of Sırxavənd, Qazançı, Məlikli, Baş Günəypəyə (dots are close to "Tigranakert" label and are marked with red dots, as they're still under Armenian control) are part of Agdam District but don't appear that way in this map. You can see the correct version in the Azerbaijani map I linked in my previous comments. Sorry that I've piled these up in one discussion, I just wanted to write about each mistake in one place for you to fix whenever you have time. CuriousGolden (留言) 19:44, 6 March 2021 (UTC)

It is one term of the 2020 Nagorno-Karabakh ceasefire agreement that Agdam is under control of Azerbaijan (since 20 November). So what is wrong: the information in Wikipedia (no reliable source), the border of Agdam, the ceasefire agreement …? NNW 20:14, 6 March 2021 (UTC)

@NordNordWest: Ceasefire agreement returned districts based on their Soviet boundaries. Agdam's boundaries were changed after Azerbaijan's independence to include the villages I listed above, so the border of Agdam needs to be corrected. CuriousGolden (留言) 20:17, 6 March 2021 (UTC)

I have done several minor changes and additions and that's it for some time now. Other minor differences to other maps are just cartographic generalization and this map wasn't made to blow up to any size to show any village. I think we all can live with it, especially as even Azerbaijan is not able to provide reliable boundaries. NNW 15:17, 7 March 2021 (UTC)

It all looks fine now. Thank you. CuriousGolden (留言) 15:27, 7 March 2021 (UTC)

Artsakh dissolved

@NordNordWest: Artsakh has dissolved itself and Azerbaijan controls the entire region [19]. Can you remove the marked area for the previously Armenian-controlled areas? Cheers. — Golden ^talk 17:14, 28 September 2023 (UTC)

As soon as I am back from holiday. NNW 17:18, 28 September 2023 (UTC)

Thank you. Looks like someone else updated this map. However, we still need updated versions of maps such as File:Kalbajar District in Azerbaijan 2021.svg and all other district maps (including File:Nakhchivan Autonomous Republic in Azerbaijan 2021.svg). — Golden ^talk 20:35, 2 October 2023 (UTC)

As this single purpose account cannot wait he can do the rest of the work, too. I am quite annoyed. NNW 13:40, 3 October 2023 (UTC)

I don't think they saw this discussion. Would you prefer if I reverted them and let you do it? — Golden ^talk 17:20, 3 October 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for that idea, but no, that won't help my problem with such users. NNW 16:47, 4 October 2023 (UTC)