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Sabino discussion
[编辑]I am a little concerned about the excessive over-categorization of the coat colors in general. IMHO, there should be ONE "sabino" category, as it's the spotting pattern that's genetically and visually significant, the underlying coat color is irrelevant. If I'm on wikipedia and I need a photo of a sabino, I don't want to surf through five different pages that don't link to each other looking for a good example. (Ditto for tobiano, frame overo, splash overo, leopard, etc...). Here, the most obvious thing about the Budweiser Clydesdales is that they are bay (it's what the company also says is required) and that they have blazes and four white stockings. Now the fact that they also often exhibit sabino characteristics is moderately relevant, and if there was a separate sabino category, they could -- and should -- be in both categories. But a horse could qualify for the Budweiser hitch even if its white did NOT go above the knees and hocks and thus failed to meet the typical "sabino" description. I cannot say with certainty that ALL Clydesdales sabino (which, by the way, is NOT SB-1), though I will confess that I have never seen a Clyde without multiple white legs (I have seen some with one or two dark legs). If I am going to illustrate an article on bay horses, I'd use the Bud Clydes as an exmple of how white markings might cover the black points on the legs.. (in fact, I think we did on the Bay (horse) article on wiki, at least we once did). Montanabw (talk) 04:36, 11 November 2009 (UTC)
- True, true. I've felt the mistake in colourwise subcatting in pattern cats, trying to get a good minimum expression tobiano. More relevant subcatting would be expression subcats for at least "minimum" and "excessive" expressions. Maybe "sabino white" as well. Others are a grey mass. Also, I happen to know Clydes don't have SB1. It's a drag they haven't found the gene for Clyde sabino yet... On the other hand it's a great thing to live now when genetics has evolved this far and colours can be understood in a whole new different way. I could imagine the pain trying to categorise horse colours if all we knew would be limited to what was known in the 50's... :> Pitke (talk) 09:45, 11 November 2009 (UTC)
- My perspective is that I hate multiple subcategories because I prefer to view a page of thumbnails at once and be able to compare similar images in hopes of picking the best one to illustrate an article. I also hate clicking through layers of links to find things, I like the simplest possible category tree, though I freely acknowledge that there is a point where a page is too large and unwieldy. I rather like how the horse breeds are currently categorized, as one can click on the sample breed image and then go to the page that has almost all the images. And the definitions in sabino-land vary: by the UC Davis measure, a "maximum" sabino is a homozygous SB-1 white or almost white sabino. On the other hand, the sabino Arabian bunch consider a "maximum" sabino to be something like 50% white -- so the terminology is in so much flux that there is no real standard; some people say a "minimum" sabino can be a solid horse with a chin spot! Ah, it's an adventure, that's all I know. And I agree with you that modern genetics research has actually been a godsend! Montanabw (talk) 05:17, 12 November 2009 (UTC)
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